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- 0:00Introduction to the SpaceIan Malcolm introduces the topic of the Jewish Bolsheviks and the Russian Empire, setting the stage for a deep dive into obscured history.
- 13:29Historian Otto Pohl's BackgroundDr. Otto Pohl details his academic focus on ethnic Germans in the Soviet Union and their tragic fate, particularly during WWII.
- 40:08Firsthand Accounts of Soviet AtrocitiesDr. Pohl explains his reliance on primary sources and interviews with survivors to document the forced labor and starvation of ethnic Germans.
- 1:03:29German Colonists in RussiaDr. Pohl traces the history of German migration to the Russian Empire, highlighting the privileges and eventual repression they faced.
- 1:25:11Bolshevik Leadership and Jewish InfluenceThe discussion shifts to the disproportionate Jewish representation in the highest echelons of the Soviet government and NKVD.
- 1:50:38Ethno-Racial Identity in Soviet RussiaDr. Pohl clarifies that Soviet policy viewed Jewish identity as an ethno-racial category, not purely religious, influencing their treatment of various groups.
- 1:58:57Religious Revival Under Soviet RepressionThe conversation explores how religious communities, particularly German Lutherans and Mennonites, maintained their faith underground despite Soviet persecution.
- 2:13:34Multiculturalism and Russian IdentityThe discussion compares Russia's approach to inter-ethnic relations with the West, noting Russia's more realistic recognition of distinct ethno-racial groups.
- 2:30:54The Jewish Autonomous OblastThe origins and current state of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia are discussed, highlighting the Jewish population's preference for urban centers over the designated territory.
- 2:36:18Zelensky and the Ukrainian ConflictThe conversation touches upon the current conflict in Ukraine, suggesting a connection to historical patterns of ethnic and religious conflict, and the alleged 'Khazarian' agenda.
- 2:45:17The Cycle of Historical OppressionIan Malcolm and Truth Teller reflect on the recurring patterns of oppression, censorship, and the importance of preserving historical truth against attempts to rewrite it.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmWell, all right. We're going to wait for... There he is. Wonderful. Mr. Otto. I'm going to send a co-host invite. Feel free to grab that. I'm also going to bring up Joanne, who we are blessed to have in our presence today. And as soon as we get the two of them up, I will ensure that the microphone sounds all right. Hopefully the audio coming across.
Ian MalcolmMr. Wolf is in the house. Going to send him an invite.
Ian MalcolmThen we will get this show on the road. And isn't it going to be timely? Mr. Wolf, good to have you up here, my friend.
Speaker 1What's up, Ian? How you doing, brother?
Ian MalcolmGood to have you.
Speaker 1Good to be here.
Ian MalcolmYes, sir. Is the audio coming through all right or no?
Speaker 1Yeah, you sound good. Everything is sharp. How about me? I'm going to plug in my headphones real quick. Give me just a second here.
Ian MalcolmAll right. And ladies and gentlemen, blessed to have Mr. Wolf here, one of the all-time greats and one of the founders of JQ Radio, which a lot of individuals in here might remember, might recall. And it was in the walls of that forum where individuals like Wolf, Colin, and Uncensored were putting in not only time, not only hours, they were...
Ian Malcolmaround the clock, 24-7, manning the ship that was JQ Radio. And I think for a lot of people, it was a massive wake-up call. It was a siren, and it served as a safe space to go and to have these types of conversations to try and explore the world, understand it, and connect a lot of these dots that have obviously been obscured for a long period of time.
Ian MalcolmAnd I lead off with that because that's essentially what we're going to be doing in this space, is going back a long time. and trying to unpack some of the mysteries and histories that have been obscured from all of us. And it's actually extremely fitting because I put up that post and just for what it's worth, I want to call out.
Ian MalcolmI threw up a post that basically asked for people to recommend individuals they would want to have spaces held with. And so this is going to be the first in a long segment of those. We'll probably keep them to that format I was doing maybe a year or so ago, where we'll basically do about an hour-long interview or educational-type sermon, if you will, from a given speaker.
Ian MalcolmWe'll then open it up to Q&As, and so if anybody does want to come up, feel free to request a mic. I'll just ask that you hold those questions largely till the end, unless something absolutely pressing comes up. And we're going to be doing these on a wide variety of things. We're going to talk... past and present. We're going to talk the history in this case of the Bolsheviks, the Russians, the Germans, and the overlap between those three.
Ian MalcolmWe will talk about the present in which an individual that was nominated sent me a note saying that they wanted to discuss what it was like growing up in the walls of a Jewish household. We'll be doing that one a little later this week. We'll also be speaking directly with somebody that was directing film in Los Angeles, in Hollywood, in the midst of all of these things that we've heard about, learned about.
Ian MalcolmAnd one of the wild pieces is that individual has some friendly and even familial connections with some extremely high-powered people. So we're going to see way beyond the traditional curtain into the, let's say, less comfortable truths about how that thing operates. And so I say that because if there are other topics that you would like to cover...
Ian MalcolmThere are other things that you would like to discuss. Feel free to send those to me, DM me, whatever. It's always wide open. I apologize if I miss anything. The new messaging thing with the secured encrypted messages that I'm sure is encrypted straight to Mazad. That has filtered out some, I believe. And I apologize if that's ever the case.
Ian MalcolmBut feel free to tag me in the event I don't see or respond to a DM. I try to get back to literally every single one that I receive from anybody as long as it's not about injuring me. or me being a vapid anti-Semite, that yes, I do get a whole lot. But with that being said, as a joke aside, what I would love to do is to first and foremost introduce Mr. Otto, who, for those individuals that are not familiar with some of his work, to put it in perspective.
Ian MalcolmI've done spaces in the past with Otto and also did one with him and with Carl Rattle, who kind of prides himself on being... not only a PhD with a focus in history, but he has also in particular spent most of his life, his time, his research on national socialism, on the Bolsheviks, on communism, and on that piece of obscured history.
Ian MalcolmAnd I tell you about Karl just because when I last did a space with Karl, the way that he introduced Mr. Otto was by saying that if Karl is the student, that Otto is the master. And so we are... We are certainly blessed to be here with him today. We're going to be unpacking these windows of time. And it curiously is going to take place as what I can only describe as a troll has been going back and forth all day sharing and reposting and quote tweeting content with me just going back and forth and back and forth.
Ian MalcolmAnd the irony is that not due to my pushing or pressing, but it was him who wanted to go into the Bolsheviks. And so what a. strangely, perfectly coincidental occurrence for these two things to overlap. That individual, if he wishes, is welcome to listen in. He's welcome to request a microphone. No, he will not be given the opportunity to just skip the line because we abide by common sense and rules.
Ian MalcolmSo I don't care if you're a Jew or an obnoxious Gentile. I'm not sure which one he might be. I would have a knee-jerk reaction. It might be the former. But... I say that primarily because that individual was in a space with Stealth Medical earlier today, and apparently they're very friendly. And, well, I think a lot of us in this room know a little bit about that account and the, let's say, the content that they push out.
Ian MalcolmSo, with all of that being said, as a quick little introduction to the subject, to where we're going, Professor Otto, I would love it if you wouldn't mind perhaps giving a little bit of a breakdown on yourself. I remember last time you had a... a cup of tea, so not sure if that's the same case here today, but either way, I would love it if you could just pull up a chair, give us a little bit of background on yourself, in particular, what kind of led you down this path where you've spent such a great amount of time researching these topics, and then maybe to just lay out some of the agenda as you see it, because I know I threw a lot of ingredients there in terms of the history that we're going to go into, but such a pleasure to have you, and with that, would love to turn things over to you.
Speaker 2Thank you. So I mainly, most of my professional academic writing has been on ethnic Germans that were citizens of the Soviet Union and their tragic fate, really from 1941 to 1955, but obviously already reaching a bad point earlier. after 1917, but the total deportation to Siberia and Kazakhstan takes place in the fall of 1941.
Speaker 2I also write about other ethnic groups in the Soviet Union that have been subject to repression. In particular, probably the group I've written the most about after the Germans are the Crimean Tatars, but I've also written some on Koreans and Kurds and others as well my phd is from the school of oriental and african studies at the university of london and i completed that in 2004 which was after i'd already uh authored two academic books uh the first one in 97 the stalinist penal system on soviet labor camps and the second one
Speaker 2ethnic cleansing in the ussr 1937 and 1949 on the deportation of various national groups uh to uh special settlements as they were called or as special settlers because after 41 um they're not actually sent to any existing settlements uh they're sent to uh uh like they were in the dekulakization They're either sent to normal villages where they're under certain restrictions that the locals are not, or they are just dumped in the middle of nowhere, which also happened with the de-Kulakization, but they had to build their own villages out of scratch.
Speaker 2So that is where I've focused academically. I taught overseas as a university lecturer in kyrgyzstan for three years and then in ghana for six years and then in iraqi kurdistan for three years and i've been back in the us now for about six years but obviously i have not been able to find an academic post here so my latest book came out in 2022 it's all on the ethnic germans in the soviet union
Speaker 2called The Years of Great Silence. And it focuses on the years 41 to 55 when they were under special settlement. And it does not have any happy ending, unfortunately. It's rather unremitting and ruthless repression of Germans in the Soviet Union. starting in 1917 and getting worse in 1930 and getting even worse in 1937.
Speaker 2And then, of course, in 41 and 42, reaching a scenario. So that's where I'm coming from as far as my credentials and academic background.
Ian MalcolmAnd just really quickly, Professor, on that, well, first and foremost, Is professor a fair title? I feel like it gives one of reverence, but I don't want to use that if it's at all irritating or annoying. What would you prefer, if not that?
Speaker 2Well, technically, I guess I'm not a professor, because you only get the title if you get tenured. But doctor, I get to keep forever.
Ian MalcolmAll right, we'll go with doctor, and I'm sure that there are some... Perhaps that we'll listen to this replay that would think of you as Dr. Evil because we're going to discuss history in a way that's not preferred. I already said I was Dr. Doom. Dr. Doom, there you go. All right, so we'll do it in honor of Robert Downey Jr.'s character, if I'm not mistaken, who he's going to be playing in a future rendition of the Marvel Universe.
Ian MalcolmAnd the thing that I would be curious about starting with, talking about universes, because I feel like we live in one that is perhaps... just as fictitious as the Marvel universe in the sense that a lot of what we've been told obviously is very disingenuous. It's a rosy picture painted perhaps by the winners. The piece that I'd be curious about just to start is when it comes to these subjects, again, you talked a lot about the kind of the credentials there.
Ian MalcolmIs it safe to suggest that you would be considered one of kind of the foremost experts, at least on this platform? When it comes to some of these subjects, and I ask not to, you know, just overly pat you on the back, I suppose, but also just out of curiosity, because it's one of these things that for the listeners, it's kind of hard for us to evaluate kind of the degree of expertise on these types of subjects that fly over our head in so many capacities.
Ian MalcolmBut I'd just be curious, you know, if you feel like that's a reasonable title to bestow upon you, and who some of the other... maybe great minds that you've encountered on these subjects that you feel like are truly, sincerely sharing them might be just so that we can kind of give some credit as well to those other individuals and people can maybe follow them as well as yourself.
Speaker 2Yeah. One of the things is that there's a lot more written in languages other than English on the subjects that I deal with. Particularly a lot is written in Russian, not only in Russia, but in Kazakhstan.
Speaker 2various other post-Soviet states. There's quite a bit written in German now. A lot of it by ethnic Germans that have returned to Germany from places like Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan and Siberia. There's even some interesting stuff being written in Spanish. Argentina has a huge population. descended of Volga German immigrants that came in the late 19th century and settled in various colonies in Argentina where they still have the use of German along with Spanish.
Speaker 2So unlike the United States where most of the ethnic Germans from the Volga and Black Sea and other parts of the Russian Empire have now completely assimilated as far as language use. There's still a fairly large number of people of Volga German descent in Argentina that speak German. So these people are writing, but obviously most of the stuff is not in English, much more in Russian, and then the next largest language being German for it.
Speaker 2But as far as people that are on Twitter, she's not an academic, but she's written a book, actually a graphic novel about the Soviet deportation of ethnic Germans, focusing on her grandmother who was deported from Ukraine to Kazakhstan. And she grew up in Kazakhstan as an ethnic German. So Elena Wolf is on Twitter. And her book is available now.
Speaker 2It's been published kind of a, not firsthand account, but account from hearing stories from her grandmother. And then she's working on a sequel to be the other grandmother because they were both deported as ethnic Germans into Kazakhstan in 1941. But the one she's written about was then mobilized in Akubinsk, a nickel mine and labor army, and then escaped and got to Ukraine to try and find her son in an orphanage, but then was arrested and sent to Vorkuta.
Speaker 2Now, Vorkuta is north of the Arctic Circle. So she was there for 25 years mining coal before she was finally released to go back to Kazakhstan and then when the opportunity came in the early 90s to, as it were, return late settlers abroad returning to Germany. So she's an interesting person as far as her personal knowledge from having grown up in Kazakhstan as a German with parents that were deported as children and grandparents that
Speaker 2remembered quite vividly the uh repression under the stalin era uh i'm not sure there's too many people around writing that much in english uh eric schmaltz i don't think he's on twitter but he's a professor at northwest state oklahoma university but he has some interesting articles uh that he had that kind of revived the first but the first version is from i believe
Speaker 22000 or so, he co-wrote with Sinner, but it's about the role of Georg Liebrandt, who was one of the representatives of Alfred Rosenberg at Wannsee and very high up in Rosenberg's organization for administrating the Eastern occupied territories. And then Karl Stumpf, who was an SS commando. Both of these men were Germans from Ukraine.
Speaker 2but they were also both historians and ethnographers kind of created the whole uh sub division i guess uh sub-discipline of studying ethnic germans in the russian empire carl stump wrote the original uh kind of masterpiece on the original migration in late 18th century and 19th century of people from german-speaking states to
Speaker 2the Volga and Black Sea and other regions in the Russian Empire.
Speaker 2Really, the study of the Ruslan-Deutsche as its own subject was created pretty much by Karl Stumpf and Georg Leibbrandt, both whom were, as I said, fairly high up in the NSDAP government. uh and a lot of the information that we had on the germans from russia under soviet union was the information that stump and the ss commandos under him had collected during the german occupation of ukraine going to each village and uh issuing report the dorf predicted uh and a lot of the individuals uh they evacuated about three hundred thousand to
Speaker 2vertigo in 1943 their a base a forms uh to become uh you know as it were citizens of the reich uh this is a huge source of information for americans of germans from russian ancestry of course not those of volga because they're too far east but those from ukraine the black sea germans for their genealogy and so A lot of people in places like North Dakota, where they have a large population of Black Sea Germans, have relied on this information to do their own family histories.
Speaker 2And it was, of course, as I said, there wasn't a lot available before the Soviet Union collapsed. We had, in between Stump and Leibbrandt, they died in the early 80s. There was some... Memoirs of Spade Ausiedler, the most famous being Memories of a German Woman in Kazakhstan by Bertha Bachmann, who was the wife of Eugene Bachmann, one of three German Lutheran pastors that was still alive after the Second World War in the Soviet Union and founded the first Lutheran church in Kazakhstan.
Speaker 2up in uh i think it was in what is that i think you call it nurse sultan now but uh it was akmola and before that it was uh selenograd uh and then there was an interesting book that's written by a lithuanian woman uh on ethnic relations the soviet union and she interviewed a lot of uh outseedler that had come to germany in the 70s particularly from
Speaker 2Kyrgyzstan and noted the violence and discrimination on a popular level they still experience. That is that you would have gangs attack them because they were German. In fact, this also occurred in Kazakhstan. was an expert witness for an asylum case for a German family that had gotten a visa to visit a relative and then decided to stay.
Speaker 2One of the things that had happened to the father was that he was assaulted and almost killed in the factory he worked in. He was a mechanic for trucks in the US, but earlier he had been working in a factory in Kazakhstan uh by a kazakh because he was of german uh national knows just the russian term they use it's basically a ethno-racial categorization so we have some information coming from people who were let out about 70 000 ethnic germans that were allowed to leave the soviet union and go to germany during the 1970s mostly but really we don't get
Speaker 2a lot of information until the Soviet Union is starting to collapse. So in 1989, NF Bugai wrote the first published article on people deported in the Soviet Union that deals with ethnic Germans as well as Chechens and Crimean Tatars and others. He later goes on to write a number of other books and articles. A lot of what he did would just collect and publish Soviet archival documents verbatim.
Speaker 2And so he had the whole book that's nothing but a collection of Soviet archives dealing with the mobilization of ethnic Germans into forced labor camps, the so-called Turovaya Armia or Trud Armia.
Ian MalcolmAnd, Doctor, just really quickly to jump in, because I think this is actually going to be a very interesting point. So the kind of worldview or perspective that you have on these issues, just to call it out, this isn't something read through American, what maybe our intellectual opposition would call propaganda, agitators.
Ian MalcolmIt's not memes on the Internet. I mean, these are not just historical documents, but it's the firsthand, first... person written accounts and kind of expert testimonies that would then therefore be derived from the people that were living, that were experiencing, or unfortunately part of this portion of history. And is it safe to say that most of your views and understandings are based then on that, you know, essentially firsthand accounts and again, kind of expert witness testimony of individuals that lived through these atrocities?
Speaker 2Yeah, well, we go and look at my most recent stuff. had a book chapter and a collection on uh russian germans was published uh as a result of a conference but it was international people from south america people from germany people from austria on the ruthland deutsche in all of the countries but i did those i did their origins in kazakhstan that is the 41 deportation uh so you
Speaker 2In 1941, about 800,000 ethnic Germans west of the Urals are deported east and about half of them into Siberia and half of them into Kazakhstan. Now, most of those are from outside the Volga, particularly Ukraine and the North Caucasus, Azerbaijan, Georgia. But about 100,000 came from the Volga region, not just the Volga German Autonomous Soviet Social Republic, but also the...
Speaker 2uh neighboring oblast to saratov and stalingrad so you that there were a hundred thousand vulgar germans and three hundred thousand non-vulgar germans from the black sea and caucuses etc deported into kazakhstan and then about three hundred thousand vulgar germans and a hundred thousand other germans deported into siberia mostly western siberia uh navasabirsk in particular uh
Speaker 2oblast as well as omsk oblast and i'll say cry and then about 75 000 rather unfortunate urban germans of people who were doctors and accountants and engineers and whatnot lived their whole life in the city were dumped in krasnoyarsk cry in eastern siberia on cohorts now almost none of these people had ever lived on a farm or worked on a farm or knew anything about rural life
Speaker 2So it's kind of like a predecessor to the Pol Pot evacuating the Phnom Penh in 1975, bringing urban dwellers out to go do forced labor in the countryside when they have no experience or skills for surviving such an environment. But most of my sources are from the Central Archives in Moscow, particularly the State Archives of the Russian Federation or GARF, also the Russian State Archives of Social and Political History.
Speaker 2But I also do have some bottom-up sources, people writing their memoirs, a few interviews. I interviewed some people in Kyrgyzstan in 2010. I went out to Kant.
Speaker 2and then up to Ivanovka, which used to be Johannesdorf, and interviewed Germans. Particularly interesting, a very short and lively old man, although we were interested in his youth, Felix Litow, when he was 18, was,
Speaker 2quote unquote, evacuated from Crimea to Ordzhonikidze Krai, where all of the Crimean Germans, including himself, had to help with the harvest. And then it was over in October, they were all deported into Kazakhstan. And then in January 1942, the GKO State Defense Committee under Stalin issued Decree 1123 SS, which mobilized all
Speaker 2deported German men who were able-bodied between the ages of, I believe it was 17 and 50. So he was sent out to Bacal Stroi to build Bacal Stroi. So Stroi means construction. So it's a construction site for the NKVD. It's also called Bacal Log. Log being short for logger or camp. And they built a iron and steel complex
Speaker 2from the bottom up, but the ground there in the Northern Urals is frozen. So basically it was pick and shovel. They had to dig out a foundation for a giant industrial complex. And he said in the winter of 42 and 43, so after he'd been there almost a year, the conditions were so bad as far as food that all of the men around him died.
Speaker 2And the reason he survived, because as I said, he's a very small guy. The smaller you are, the better you are to survive hunger because you don't need as many calories just to live day to day.
Ian MalcolmAnd just out of curiosity, so doctor, the individual that you're speaking to, this firsthand account that you have of this starvation that he literally experienced firsthand. Can you give a... kind of not just the timeline here, kind of the sequence of events that led up to it, but also the magnitude of how many people would have been affected as part of what this poor individual had to endure?
Speaker 2Yeah, well, total for the labor army is about 316,000 out of a total German population of about a million at the time. So we're talking... uh and most uh the thing is about uh i have to look at the numbers for for division but most it's more men than women women are not mobilized until october of 42. uh but we're talking basically anybody that was german that was able-bodied uh and over the age of 15 and younger than ultimately 55 gets mobilized into
Speaker 2the labor army mostly to work for the NKVD in its various camps, mostly lumber camps in the Urals, but there's also three large industrial construction projects, including Bakal Shroy, which was the largest of them, the iron and steel works. So let's see.
Ian MalcolmAnd this is just, you're talking, so almost 350,000 people out of a prospective million Germans in Russia being forced into these work camps. I think you described as a lumber yard, if I'm not mistaken, being forced not only to do that work, but also then into what is essentially forced starvation as they're forced into these various labor participations.
Ian MalcolmIs that right? Yeah.
Speaker 2Well, we don't know how many exactly died because a lot of people were released to go die outside the camps. But we have some numbers.
Ian MalcolmJust out of curiosity, when you say released to go die outside the camp, it's basically they became so incapable of being productive that they would just banish them into the wilderness? Is that how I should read that?
Speaker 2What it was is in the 1930s, the Soviets adopted an official policy of getting rid of ballast. prisoners that were going to die, right? They were on their last legs. So in order to make the figures look better, in order not to have to deal with burying them, they would release them. And sometimes between they were released on paper and then they died in the camp before they could actually physically leave the camp.
Speaker 2But also, A lot of them, they'd be walking home and they'd die or they'd die a couple days later or a couple weeks later, a couple months later, but usually within the first year because their health was so damaged by malnutrition, by overwork, by exposure to the elements. So the number that were registered as dying in the camps, where is it?
Speaker 2I have it.
Speaker 2is 36,896 of the conscripts in the labor army. But there's almost an equal number of people that were released as invalids. And scholars in Germany and the former Soviet Union think that almost all of these people died within the first year of their release.
Ian MalcolmWow. So these individuals, and just out of curiosity, So we're going to discuss the Germans in Russia enduring this as part of essentially the forced labor camps, school logs, various terminology that we could use for them. So given that we often find ourselves in these kind of conversations about national socialism, the Holocaust always comes up.
Ian MalcolmAnd, you know, there's obviously, I guess, debates that people will have on that subject. But the thing that I'd be curious about is if we were to take let's say the idea of a work camp, right? A forced labor camp. Can you give us an idea of what that would have looked like for these Germans that are being, I mean, are they just rounded up?
Ian MalcolmThey're put into a train. They're, you know, I'm trying to give visuals for the audience. Is it similar to the movies that we might've seen, for example, Schindler's List and things of that nature or drastically different, drastically worse?
Speaker 2I will explain it here as briefly as I can. So, they are rounded up and deported and dumped out into either existing villages often kazakh old where the kazakhs don't speak any russian and they're very hostile to a non-muslim population coming in and then because there is so much social tension because these people are totally impoverished they've been quite wealthy and everything is taken from and they're very angry now in order to prevent this from becoming you know a a
Speaker 2guess that either way to put it, a mass of race riots across Northern Kazakhstan and Western Siberia, they then do the mobilization. They also need the labor because they've sent so many men to the Red Army to fight. And so there is a shortage of labor throughout all of the industries. And these people obviously are banned from serving in the military after 8 September, 1941, with the official decree removing all of the
Speaker 2ethnic Germans from the Soviet military. They frame it as alternative military service. They're sent a conscription or induction notice just like you would get for the Red Army. Then they have a physical exam. Then instead of being taken to military, they are turned over to the NKVD, the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs, the political police.
Speaker 2and then put on trains and deported again, mostly to the Urals. And they work in the corrective labor camps of the Gulag, but they are not considered Gulag prisoners because there is no charge against them other than being Germans. There is no sentence. So initially the decree say through the duration of the war, but most are only released in 1947 and 1948.
Speaker 2several years after the war has ended in 1945. So there's no trial, right? They're basically conscripted as if they were Red Army soldiers, but then sent to Gulag labor camps. They are kept in separate parts of the camps from convicts who are mostly Russians, although there's a lot of other ethnicities as well. Most of the prisoners during the war in the Soviet gulag are political, not because the number goes up that much, although it does, but because they release most of the criminals to go fight in punishment battalions in the Red Army against the Germans.
Speaker 2About 10% of the NKVD labor force are these forcibly mobilized Germans. some other ethnic groups uh particularly finns who are also at war with the soviet union that are also mobilized uh at this time but germans are almost 80 percent of of this group uh so they they have it gets worse and worse but very soon they have the same rations the same uh material conditions as gulag prisoners but their only crime is being of german ancestry
Ian MalcolmAnd so it's curious, I actually just saw a post in, and I'd be curious if he wants to add some color commentary. Rabbi Malleus was just saying, sounds a lot like what was done to Germany, to the Jews, and in America to the Japanese is the commentary there. And I don't want to veer too far off, but it's, I suppose, worth noting that these types of things were taking place on the various fronts of the war, because whether it was the Japanese in America or...
Ian Malcolmlike Rabbi was saying, the Jews in Germany, right? There's obviously this discontent between these various groups and obviously leads to these types of conflicts. But the thing that's worth noting here, obviously, is that the treatment of these prisoners under communism, at least from what I'm hearing so far, it sounds like they essentially underwent very similar treatment to perhaps some of those other groups like Malleus was suggesting.
Ian MalcolmAnd the thing that I'm curious about, Doctor, is So the Germans were part of that group, and it sounds like roughly a million or so. Can you give us a sense of where those individuals would have been at the offset before they were rounded up? Were they just German nationals who happened to be, perhaps they had migrated to Russia, or how'd they get there?
Speaker 2Yeah, so the German colonists, and so there's various other German groups, but... It's two big ones as far as population. And the German colonists we're talking about here are by far the biggest. But there's also the Baltic Germans in Latvia and Estonia, and they are evacuated to Germany by the National Socialist government before the Soviets retake those territories in 1940.
Speaker 2So they escape the horrors that the Germans in the Volga and Ukraine and Caucasus undergo during the Second World War. But the initial colonies were established in the Volga. Catherine II comes to power after helping kill her husband, Peter III. He was a rather weak monarch. And Catherine II had come from Germany herself.
Speaker 2German was her native language. She converted from Lutheranism to the Russian Orthodoxy in order to take the position as empress of the Russian Empire. she was a big believer in the use of the state to develop the economy and the use of human capital and she thought that the human capital of russian and ukrainian peasants was not up to standard so she decided to issue a manifesto
Speaker 2uh in 1762 to invite all christian foreigners to come to the russian empire and this the 1762 manifesto is rather vague and doesn't get much traction but then in july 22nd 1763 a very detailed manifesto is uh crafted and it's pushed by touts who go into the german-speaking states and it promises a whole bunch of benefits and privileges
Speaker 2to anybody who wishes to migrate to the Russian Empire in case the land is set aside in the Volga. So they would get free land. They would have freedom of religion as long as they were Christian. So they could be Catholic or Lutheran. That didn't matter. They were given freedom from taxation for up to 30 years. They were given communal self-government.
Speaker 2And so this was quite appealing, especially since Germany Particularly states like Hesse had been devastated by the recent seven-year war or the French and Indian War, if you call it in the US. But this is the war between Prussia and France and the British supporting the Prussians. But all of the small German states like Hesse and Baden and Württemberg in between.
Speaker 2In Africa, they say when elephants fight, the grass suffers. This is what happened to them. And there was also, even before the war, with growing population in the limited areas, shortages of land for each successive generation. And Russia had no shortages of farmland to offer these people. So over 22,000 migrate to the Volga region.
Speaker 2And Catherine II wanted them there, one, to develop this undeveloped area. Two, it's right between Moscow and a bunch of nomadic peoples that like to raid and sell people to slaves in the Emirate of Bukhara and Khane of Kiva, particularly the Kazakhs, which are called Kyrgyz by the Tsarist government, because the real Kyrgyz are called Khara Kyrgyz or Black Kyrgyz.
Speaker 2But what we know today is Kazakhs, because if you look on the map, They're obviously not Kyrgyz. Kyrgyzstan is over by China as opposed to near the Caspian. There was also the Bashkirs who were in the southern Urals, another Turkic nomadic people, and then the Kalmuks who were Mongol Buddhist people on the Caspian Sea.
Speaker 2So you have these nomadic raiders that make settlement of the area difficult, but the Germans don't know about this, right? The Russians know about it. It's why they're not going there. It's like a human barrier. between Moscow and the nomadic raiders. It's also an area where Russian renegades, particularly Pugachev, who claimed to be the actual real czar and had a massive uprising in the region, which also killed a lot of Volga Germans at the same time.
Speaker 2And finally, and this totally failed, Catherine II thought that the example of having successful European particularly German farmers cultivating the land would make the Slavic population, Russians in particular, emulate them and become more efficient themselves. Now that never happened. In fact, it's somewhat in the Volga goes reverse in that they adopt the mere or communal land system where the elders of the village will assign land to
Speaker 2families not based upon their productivity, but the amount of labor they have to cultivate it. So it can go up or down in each new decision. They're not always, the strips of land weren't always together. And so you could lose strips of land. For instance, you had a son leave to go somewhere else. this of course so this is eventually abolished by stilippen because it's so inefficient but that means there's not been enough land in the volga and a lot of the volga germans go eastward into siberia or westward to places like kansas or nebraska or argentina as i mentioned earlier
Speaker 2The Black Sea Germans always have private agriculture owned by the families, but they entail it. So they won't cut up the land. But what happens is the land usually goes to the youngest son, and they would use money that they had accumulated from agricultural produce to buy additional land for the other sons. But this eventually became cut off by the Tsarist government
Speaker 2regions of the black sea ukraine and crimea and places like what is now strabable cry and so they also end up migrating eastward into kazakhstan kyrgyzstan or westward into places like north dakota so you see this happens about the same time as the russians revoked the privileges for the germans because germany becomes unified in 1871.
Speaker 2In 1871, communal self-government is taken away from the Germans in the Russian Empire. In 1874, freedom of conscription is taken away from them. This leads to a huge number of migration, particularly during the Russo-Japanese War, when people in the reserves who had served in the Russian army are mobilized. And that includes my great-grandfather.
Speaker 2He served 18 months in the peacetime. czarist army didn't like it and in 1904 he's mobilized the reserve to go fight against japan and walks out of the russian empire across congress poland into germany works on a german farm in west prussia for a while uh gets uh money to take a train to hamburg gets on a boat goes to new york and is totally can't come into the united states because he's a person of bad moral character for going awol from the russian army and then went to uh uh
Speaker 2Winnipeg.
Ian MalcolmThey said a bad moral character for leaving the Russian military.
Speaker 2Is that right?
Ian MalcolmOkay.
Speaker 2Yes. So he got back in the U.S. in 1920 with my grandfather, who was eight years old. So they lived in a German community. It was almost all from the same region, Volhynia. The Germans that had been living in Russian-ruled Poland after the Napoleonic Wars in 1819 that came after... the Polish uprising, particularly the 1863 uprising, and the Russian government confiscated this Polish nobles' land and then leased it out to these Germans.
Speaker 2So about 175,000 Germans from Congress, Poland, particularly around what Poles pronounce Wush, the German launch, came down to northwestern Ukraine, including my great-great-grandfather, Ferdinand. And that's where he died, an unfortunate accident with a horse. But my great-grandfather Ludwig and my great-grandmother Hilda migrated out, but they couldn't get into the U.S. at first.
Speaker 2They went to Canada. But there was an area in Manitoba outside of Winnipeg where my grandfather was born. That's all Germans from this region, Bohemia. And there's another region in Brazil. It's also from, it's called Rio del Sol. They're also all from Volhynia. So you see that the regionalism of German settlers continues.
Speaker 2So when you talk about Germans from Russia in the US, right, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado is mostly Volga German, and North Dakota, mostly Black Sea German. And then you have some other areas that are kind of, uh like daughter colonies that's what they called the the uh in in russian empire but they kind of work in the us too so you had people come from the midwest to settle in fresno for instance there was a large volga german population or portland albina which is now all black used to be mostly volga german uh there were secondary migrants coming from places like kansas and nebraska and colorado where they had homesteaded my family
Speaker 2lived in Portland for a while, even though they were Wilhelian Germans, they opted there because these were other German-speaking people from the Russian Empire, although considerably further east. So you see a lot of this kind of regionalism continue because even in the Russian Empire up until the Soviet era, Villages were separated by religion.
Speaker 2You had a Catholic village and a Lutheran village and a Mennonite village. They didn't mix with each other. The mixture only comes in the idea of being a greater group of Ruslan Deutsche really only comes about because they are uprooted and deported across Kazakhstan and Siberia. And like many other groups, I've experienced this in person when I lived in Kurdistan.
Speaker 2One of the things that kind of can bind you together, if you perceive, and in this case, a reality, although it's not always for our group, that you're being persecuted because you are of a certain group, then you will become identified more with that group. And we see that now in the United States with white people.
Ian MalcolmAre you there with us?
Speaker 3Yeah.
Ian MalcolmOkay, perfect. No, no. And I think you're exactly right on that. And what I'd be curious about, As you're kind of walking through this now, this obviously kind of ties back to some of these larger, let's say, current. Well, at the time they were current affairs anyway. So you've got all these things taking place with the war.
Ian MalcolmYou've got ethnic Germans within Russia that are being rounded up, that are being put into work camps, that are dying of not only forced labor, but also extreme starvation and the climate they have to deal with. You've also got all the other individuals that are being put into the gulags, and we often hear about not just tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, but millions of people that were in them.
Ian MalcolmI'm kind of curious what the division was amongst, let's say, the brutal haves that were either building these camps or were forcing people into them versus the have-nots that were then forced to be within, right? And I'm kind of curious... What that motivation was, what the breakdown was, was it basically, you know, you're either part of the elite cabal, if you will, and we can go into who that might have been, or you just stand in opposition to the military machine.
Ian MalcolmYou know, who was it that would have been around these ethnic Germans that we're talking about? And why would there have been other people in there, you know, who, unlike the Japanese in the United States who were in internment camps, it's not like you had a whole lot of non-Japanese in those camps in the U.S., right?
Speaker 2There were some camps, one in Arizona, where they had a number of Germans and Italians in with the Japanese in the U.S. Wow.
Ian MalcolmAnd those, are they ethnic Germans and Italians or are they sympathizers perhaps for the nations?
Speaker 2No, these were ethnic Germans and Italians. So about 10,000 Germans, mostly people born in Germany, but naturalized U.S. citizens or... permanent residents and about 4,000 Italians were interned in camps by the FBI during the Second World War. And in some cases, they were put in the same camps as the Americans of Japanese ancestry.
Ian MalcolmWow, understood. And so those individuals, I'd just be kind of curious, maybe at a 50,000-foot perspective, your understanding of, let's say, the U.S. camps versus the Russian camps and the gulags versus perhaps the German camps, at least based on your research. I'd be curious kind of at the differentiation between the prisoners, how they were treated, and if any of the nations perhaps, you know, fared better or more reputable in terms of treatment of prisoners.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, I mean, it varies. In the case of the Soviet Union, the labor army, the Tudovaya Armia, These people are technically not prisoners because they're not charged with any crime, and they're not pried, and there's no fixed sentence. They said they keep them several years after the war, still doing forced labor.
Speaker 2The labor army conscripts themselves are separated from the convicts within the camp. They call them , or camp point. But some of these camps are huge, giant. complexes with thousands of people with them. So they're quite large. And during the Second World War is when you have the highest mortality rate because they are the absolute lowest in terms of priority for food from the Soviet government.
Speaker 2So something like almost 900,000 convicts in Soviet labor camps perished between 1941 and 1945, mostly from a combination of malnutrition and diseases resulting from overcrowding and poor hygienic conditions, notably typhus, but also tuberculosis and various other diseases. In fact, if you look through the Soviet archives, one of the things that comes clear in both
Speaker 2the camps and the labor army sites and even the area of the special settlement, the people who are too old or too sick to be conscripted into the labor army and remain in Kazakhstan and Siberia in the initial area of the deportation, is that the only time they can really get access to medicine is when there is a threat that typhus or some other contagious epidemic will break out into the general population.
Ian MalcolmAnd, Doctor, can you talk a little bit about that? Because obviously this is a subject that comes up a lot when discussing the Holocaust in Germany, right? Can you give for people that might be a little bit less informed on that subject and on, let's just say, that condition, what that would have been like? Because it's not something that people in pop culture today are really familiar with.
Speaker 2Well, a lot of things are... know people didn't just die from lack of calories in fact that was pretty unlikely they died from a lack of proper nutrients things like vitamin c so they got scurvy things like protein so they got pellagra so you have people that are being forced to work in the soviet camps uh 12 14 16 hours a day in freezing cold weather in the winter
Speaker 2uh they don't have sufficient food sometimes they're only getting uh you know 600 grams of bread a day and nothing else uh and of course so you you will get the where the immune system gets weakened and then they get diseases that are a result of the unhygienic conditions people pack together uh without sufficient uh medicine without sufficient uh cleaning
Speaker 2uh you know the clothes wear out they don't get to change them there is one passage in my book i take from the archives in kazakhstan the germans mobilized to work in the karaganda coal mine which is the labor camp complex in kazakhstan their clothes were so worn out the report said that they basically were working naked
Speaker 2Right. So there was nothing left of their clothing. They were forced to work naked mining coal. It's like something out of out of ancient Rome. As far as the depravity of it. But as I said, these people are the lowest on the considered to be an enemy people by virtue of their ancestral connections before Germany was unified in 1871.
Speaker 2So they don't get.
Speaker 2very much as far as anything sufficient to keep them alive uh and as a result a very large minority uh perhaps a fifth of the ethnic germans in the soviet union 20 or so perish as a result of uh poor material conditions after they're deported into kazakhstan and siberia
Ian MalcolmUnderstood. And that's, I mean, all of this is just so wild and it's such a, I don't want to say a breath of fresh air because it's a traumatic retelling that you're providing, but just rather to hear the atrocities that took place from this perspective within these parts of history that we're just not really, we don't have any of this shared with us, right?
Ian MalcolmWhich, you know, we know why that is, of course.
Speaker 2kz system uh that was in germany proper places like uh the dachau was the most famous in 1933 uh they do take measures against typhus through delousing to kill the the vector the the right is usually using zyklon b which is a pesticide specifically to kill lice and other
Ian MalcolmThat's, of course, what's suggested as having been used in Germany for other purposes. But like you were saying with...
Speaker 2Forget about the controversy in the East. But we know that in places like Dachau and Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen, the death rate is the highest at the very end of the war. And it's mostly typists because they can't get supplies in. The rail lines are all bombed. but what the germans were doing earlier to keep typhus because they don't want it to break like the soviets they don't want to break out the general population right they're using zyklon b to delouse clothing and other places the lice could hide the soviets don't take any such measures so type is a much greater problem they only take measures when like there's a report from the nkva day it says everybody in the camp is sick and if we don't do something now they're either going to all die and have no no labor or even worse
Speaker 2The disease is going to spread out to the local population around them. And we're going to have an epidemic outside of the camps, outside of the special settlements, outside of the labor army sites.
Ian MalcolmSo the only care offered to the individuals working in this work camp were when the conditions were so bad. that it was not just going to kill all of them, but prospectively also injure other individuals.
Speaker 2That's a general rule, yes. I mean, there are always exceptions, but the medical provisions were far below that of even normal Soviet citizens that were behind the lines. And they were obviously, you still have, I mean, just to give an example, Kyrgyzstan had about 750,000 people during the war. And they had about 75,000 people die during the war.
Speaker 2Most of those are soldiers, but there was an incredibly large number of people that died in Kyrgyzstan from malnutrition because the food situation in the Soviet Union as a whole was so bad during the war. You had a lot of lend-lease, but it prioritized for frontline soldiers.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's just it's so wild to think through this, because what I'm basically hearing, just as a summation, is that the individuals in these work camps were not necessarily not only viewed as, let's say, not necessarily worthy of, let's say, the treatment of the citizens, but they were essentially being treated as just means of production, no different than an animal that was only as useful and only as fed and only as clothed and only as given medical condition.
Speaker 2as they are able to then output something of of value this seems correct beyond inhumane yeah and early on and victor krieger he writes used to write mostly in russian when he was in kazakhstan but since he's been in germany and been writing almost exclusively in german but he has noted and including in some work that's been translated to english right very early on the soviet union simply eliminates distinctions between germans so
Speaker 2To them, a German child from Ukraine is the same as the leadership in Berlin, as the enemy, representative of enemy nationality and enemy nation. But the one in Ukraine obviously is internal to the Soviet Union so they can get their hands on him and punish him immediately. And this is basically what you have throughout the war is that the Soviet government considers
Speaker 2uh the entire german population even those that fought in the red army uh before their removal again the vermont to be representative of an enemy nation and needing to be punished and isolated uh from the larger soviet population and so uh this is why you have this kind of palace uh deliberate uh deprivation right you know when they calculate who gets food who gets uh clothing who gets uh medicine who gets housing who gets the material to repair houses right the deported germans uh particularly those that are mobilized into camps like usual log with a lumber camp in the urals and it had they have the deaf books where they've actually
Speaker 2recorded and verified the names of individuals that have died there and something like 37 percent of them perished between 1941 and 1948 uh again mostly from a combination of malnutrition there's there's basically no almost no meat and almost no vegetables uh available uh so you lack of protein lead to pellagra lack of vitamin c leads to scurvy lack of
Speaker 2vitamin B, vitamin D, all these essential nutrients, very difficult for them to obtain in sufficient amounts to remain healthy. Working hard hours in the cold. And so you get, you know, your immune system is worn down from lack of food, lack of nutrients, lack of warmth. And so when the diseases that flourish, in overcrowded areas like typhus spread by lice, tuberculosis, which is spread in the air, become very deadly because your immune system has already been ravaged from the fact you have no vitamin C, no vitamin D. Well, and just out of curiosity, so I got to go back to a comment that you made because we often think of the ethnic persecution of the Jews in Germany that was based on...
Ian Malcolmessentially just an inherent bigotry, right? That's the presentation in pop culture. And of course, we're aware of the, according to Grok, 150,000 Jews, for example, that fought in the National Socialist Army, many of which were at very, very high levels of military accommodation, some of which even were awarded for their conduct in the military, which kind of speaks or suggests against some kind of just pure...
Ian Malcolmanimalistic animus towards a certain group of people based on their ethnicity. But what I'm hearing from you is that that was actually exactly what was taking place in Russia.
Speaker 2There were some people who managed to change their names and their nationality and their documents, usually with the help of commanding officers immediately over them. But as a general rule, the official policy, and they even stated this because there was an attempt by the Soviet Navy to get one of the Germans in the labor army back, is that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2I may have the quotation from, but they make no exceptions. All ethnic Germans that are able-bodied and within the age range are to serve, as forced laborers for the duration of the war. There's no exceptions. So members of the Communist Party, members of the Komsomol. The only exception that was made during the initial deportation, if a German woman was married to a non-German, she could avoid being deported as a special settler.
Speaker 2So if she had a Russian husband or a Ukrainian husband or a Jewish husband, this could happen. one of the most famous uh russian german people in the soviet union uh he was a musician but his mother was famous as an activist for restoring the volga german republic uh and was his father father was a jew from germany who had moved to be a translator
Speaker 2in the Volga German ASSR. So because his nationality was considered Jewish by the Soviet government, the family was not deported. But there were only about a thousand or so Volga German women with non-German husbands. So the other way around, if there was a German man married to a Russian woman, she could opt to go with him into exile or divorce him.
Speaker 2But no matter what, he and the children, got sent to Kazakhstan and Siberia.
Ian MalcolmWait, and just to read that back for everybody, so women who had been betrothed to either Russian, Ukrainian, or Jewish men were allowed to... Those are the three big ones, so yeah. Okay, understood. But in the event that it was a man that was German who had married into, let's say, a Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish woman, whatever have you, those individuals were ripped out of their home regardless.
Speaker 2Yes.
Ian MalcolmWow. It's so wild. And I'd just be, I'd be curious because again, perhaps, you know, due to the circles that I find myself in, there's maybe a rosier picture that's painted around national socialism in Germany. I would just be curious for your thoughts to make sure I'm not misunderstanding or misrepresenting the treatment of, for example, Jews in Germany, when those individuals that if I'm remembering correctly,
Ian MalcolmIf they served, for example, in World War I, there was no expectation of removal from Germany. They were essentially post-Weimar. They were kind of welcomed in and were allowed to fight with the National Socialists. I think the term Mischling, if I'm not mistaken, was also used for individuals that were partially Jewish.
Ian MalcolmCan you kind of speak to perhaps how the Russian treatment of the Germans differed or was similar to the German treatment of the Jews?
Speaker 2Well, in this case in the Soviet Union, you inherited automatically from your parents and this became policy in 38 during the national operations, including the German operation in which 38,000 Germans were arrested and 29,000 of those shot, the rest 9,000 sent to labor camps as quote unquote spies and diversionists for Germany.
Speaker 2Generally, since they had endogenous communities, whatever your parents were. But if your parents were two different nationalities, it's generally the father. But technically, at age 16, you could choose which one. So it was possible to choose your mother's nationality. So obviously, if your father's German, your mother's Russian, or your father's German and your mother's Jewish, you would choose your mother's nationality because it's a better deal.
Speaker 2But in the case of Germany, the Michelin, those are people that were, had at least one parent that was not Jewish. A lot of them were even less. A lot of them were like quarter Jewish of the 150,000 that served in the Wehrmacht. But I think the important thing when you talk about no reason, I first encountered this, colleague Ron Vossler, who is now retired from North Dakota State University.
Speaker 2He interviewed a lot of people that served with Sonderkommando R, which was a German SS unit established from Germans and Russia in the area of Transnistria, an area that the Romanians took power initially to protect them from the Romanians pillaging the German villages in the region. But a lot of them volunteered to engage in executions with Einsatzgruppe Day under Otto Ohlendorf as revenge for what communists, particularly Jewish communists, had done in the 1930s.
Speaker 2So the German operation in Ukraine, where it was the hardest hit of the... 55,005 convictions of the German operation, 18,005 were executions in Ukraine out of a total of 42,000 executions during the German operation. But the head of the NKVD in Ukraine from July 1937 to February 1938, where most of this arrest and execution of Germans is taking place, was a man named Israel Lefleski.
Speaker 2and his counterpart in Belarus. Not a lot of Germans there, but a lot of Poles arrested in the Polish operation with Boris Berman, the brother of Matvei Berman, who was head of Gulag from 32 to 37. And in the center in Moscow, Yagoda was removed and replaced with Yezhov in 37. Now, Yezhov's father is Russian and his mother is Lithuanian, but Yezhov's number two man was known by the name
Speaker 2lev belsky but leon belsky's real name was lavine uh obviously uh jewish as well so you have in ukraine in particular but also in moscow and also in the in siberia liushkov in the far east uh a very jewish face on the leadership of the nkvd so under yagoda the top hundred or so nkvd officers almost 40 percent are jewish there's more jews in the very top ranks than there are russians ukrainians and belarusians combined it goes down during the great terror under asia but during the great terror when leplevsky uh is heading the german operation in ukraine and belsky is crucial to it in moscow they're still over 20 percent
Speaker 2of the NKVD leadership. Now, they are only 2% of the total population of the Soviet Union. And in Kiev, it's even greater Jewish representation than in the NKVD as a whole. I can't remember the exact number, but it was during the Great Terror, it's something like close to 40% of the NKVD leadership in Kiev and Ukraine are ethnically Jewish as well.
Speaker 2So for the Germans particularly, but also other people, a lot of the terror, starting with the de-Gulagization in 1930 and 1931, which is really organized by number two man in the OKPU at that time, again, Yagoda and Matvei Berman, who was the head of Gulag. They're the very Jewish face. So this is why you've had a number of these people
Speaker 2that were saved from deportation by the Wehrmacht, who said that they would like to execute the people that committed these crimes. In not all cases were they Jewish. But one case, I believe the head of the NKVD of the Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Social Republic, who was Jewish, was one of the people shot by the Ansatzgruppen Day.
Speaker 2There's a very interesting case in Neudorf, a German village. where German head of the 12th Commando of the Einsatzgruppe D is an ethnic German from Azerbaijan. But he tracks down an ethnic German that went to the United States and then came back to the Soviet Union to participate in the deportation of Germans labeled as kulaks in 1930 and 1931 to special settlement villages.
Speaker 2So he finds this, as it were, traitor, and executes it.
Ian MalcolmWow, and it feels so commonplace. And the thing that I would have to be curious about, so you were talking about the 2% of the general population being Jewish and yet over 40% of the NKVD, as well as a lot of these... Not the NKVD total, just the leadership, the top. Exactly.
Speaker 2You start looking at... the Jewish representation in the Soviet Union, you see two things. One, among the Jewish population, they always have the largest number of Communist Party members all the way up to the end of the Soviet Union of any national group. But the minority of Jews as a whole in the Soviet Union, and of course, it's a small minority of the party.
Speaker 2So it ends up the party as a whole gets about 5% Jewish, which is more than double the representation in the population but then you go to the leadership you see that something like uh 27 of the central committee of the communist party are jewish now that's that's over 10 times right and the central committee of course has power and then the pullet bureau which is quite small but it has ultimate power from 1917 the first bullet bureau
Speaker 2as uh is over half jewish uh common zinoviev and trotsky these three men will be dominant in the soviet government all the way till down removes them uh from 1926 to 1928. there's also sverdlov and uh solikonov uh or two jews that are in the polar bear during this time but this is a small group between five and seven people but during that time it almost always has at least two jews
Speaker 2and sometimes as many as four. So between 40% and 60% of the ruling Politburo from 1917 to 1926 is Jewish. So the higher you go up in the Soviet government, the greater the percentage of Jews, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd can you give, Dr. Foer, for the listeners, because when we talk about these types of terms or we describe maybe this body, it might be like saying, you know, to somebody, the board of directors, or it's like the presidential cabinet. Can you give... kind of a high-level overview of what that bureau is specifically, you know, what are their charges, what are the powers, and how much influence do they have of the machine?
Speaker 2Basically, the Politburo had absolute and total control. So you basically, in the Soviet Union, the communists, the Bolsheviks, rejected the idea of democracy. Lenin disperses the constituent assembly. in favor of party rule, that is, the Communist Party be the vanguard party and rule in the name of the workers. But of course, the party itself is too big, right?
Speaker 2So then you have, well, the Central Committee will select the Politburo, the political bureau, which will be, it's under, before Stalin consolidates power, it's usually about five to seven people. This is where you have Kamenev, Zinoviev, and Trotsky. the three powerful Jews so dominant. And then later it gets up to like 13 members under Stalin, one of which appointed in 1930, Lazar Kaganovich is Jewish and will be probably the most powerful Jew in the world from 1930 to 1957 when he's finally removed by Khrushchev.
Speaker 2But the only people that really were on his level were Molotov, Voroshilov, malenkov and birria so uh again he's the representative of a population that's only two percent so the you have a situation where uh the they're greatly overrepresented in the highest ranks of power during the early years and then during the stalin era from 34 with the activities formed we don't have
Speaker 2good sources on the nationality breakdown of the old gay pay you at least i haven't seen them but i've seen for the nkvd collected by memorial which was sakharov organization and they have from 34 to 41. so uh 34 36 they are a plurality of the leadership of the nkvd under yagoda it goes down and i said during the great terror under yezhov to about 20 percent
Speaker 2again they're only two percent of the population uh and five percent of of the party so uh as you get up in certain organizations you see that they use their networking the uh and it's not entirely just just ethnic because uh you see the people around the yagoda and asia not just jews like yagoda and leplesky and burman and luskov uh and splinter uh
Speaker 2Baronson, very important, the head of the NKVD finance. But you also see Poles like Dzerzhinsky and Menchinsky in the very early era before the NKVD is formed under Jagoda. You see a lot of Latvians before the Cheka becomes the and this is because they're all coming from the same geographical region, the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which becomes the pale of settlement.
Speaker 2when Catherine the Great annexes the territory because she doesn't want the large Jewish population invited in by the Polish government to move eastward into Russia proper.
Ian MalcolmAnd, you know, it's actually interesting that you brought that up because I'd be curious for, when we talk about this subject and we talk about the Bolsheviks and how, let's say, Jewish were they, we hear now definitively that the highest level of leadership Some of those bureaus anywhere or bulletins anywhere from, if I'm remembering correctly, you said something like 20 to 60 percent of that leadership.
Ian MalcolmAnd again, those are the individuals calling essentially all of the shots. The question that I would have is the other individuals around them. You know, I would make the claim that the United States government, for example, while Joe Biden's cabinet was something like 50 to as much as 66 or so percent Jewish at the highest level.
Ian MalcolmI would say that the president, Biden himself, Kamala, who was married to a Jew, that those individuals were not just, even when they weren't ethnically Jewish, let's say, that they were working with essentially Zionist or kind of global Jewish interests. I'd be curious if that's the case with, in your perception anyway, the other ethnic Russians.
Speaker 2A lot of the high-ranking Soviet officials who themselves were not Jewish had Jewish wives. The most famous is Molotov, who along with Kaganovich was probably the most powerful man after Stalin for parts of the time, maybe Beria, but he certainly ranked up there. His wife was Jewish. She actually ended up being put in a camp in 48 by Stalin because she wasn't flirting with Zionism at a time when the Soviets wanted to,
Speaker 2prevent it from having a domestic element. So the Soviets in 48 supported very heavily the Israelis against the Arabs and particularly against the British, but they certainly didn't want, we can see in the United States, that type of influence challenging the Communist Party. But Molotov was not unique among non-Jewish high officials having
Speaker 2a Jewish wife.
Ian MalcolmAnd really quickly, Dr. Otto, just to interject on that, and I apologize, but on that, so let's take it that anywhere from 20 to 60% of the highest ranking officials, based on your research, would have been Jewish. The others, I shouldn't say largely, but some other chunk of the non-Jewish individuals at that high ranking level married into.
Ian MalcolmI would be curious... what your thoughts are if you were to presume them essentially one and the same, and you were to say both Jews and non-Jews who were married to Jews at the highest level of the Russian government at the time, if it was just, you know, if it was 40 to 60% were ethnically Russian, what chunk do you think were either ethnically, I'm sorry, ethnically Jewish or non-Jewish but married to a Jew?
Ian MalcolmWas it 50 to 70%?
Speaker 2I haven't looked at the... numbers for for marriage uh i know but i do know that uh a number did have uh wives that were jewish by by national most uh so so the soviet union at least honest about this right so this this kind of shell game about what type of identity jewish is the the soviets said jewish like russian like german is an ethno-racial category we don't right uh the religion itself is uh
Ian Malcolmsecondary to that all right so uh well and i apologize for um i think what you just said is extremely important here because not necessarily religious as much as it is an ethno-religious nationalism is it ethno-racial okay perfect and and is it safe to say and and maybe this is a a very key question here that ethno-racial group that were loosely defined as i suppose jews
Ian MalcolmWas there anybody that would have been extremely high ranking that was demonstrably, overtly anti-ethno-Jew for the benefit of, let's say, ethnic non-Jewish Russians?
Speaker 2No, because I don't think that the Soviet government thought in those terms. It was always... uh an internationalist uh undertaking so this is why it's not just jews but dalin is not russian he's georgian berry is not russian he's georgian mccoyan who is in the politburo not only under stalin but beyond into the khrushchev era is armenian so you always had uh groups uh that were from the periphery of the russian empire
Speaker 2that had higher levels of education but also higher levels of discontent with russian rule under the czar and so that's what you see when the bolsheviks take power right people like uh igor shaparovic the famous mathematician written about this right you're like where are the russians i see jews i see latvians i see georgians i see armenians where are the russians
Ian MalcolmWell, and that's the piece that's so interesting about what you're suggesting, because it seems like this ethno-racial group, and I mean, you brought up Stalin, obviously was Georgian. Is it almost safe to say that it was the Germans and the ethnic Russians, I suppose, that perhaps had an allegiance to the Tsar, who obviously had been killed by the early bloody revolutions under the Bolsheviks?
Ian MalcolmIs it safe to say that the leadership here... in Russia that ultimately goes to war with Germany and gets the United States at its beck and call was not even necessarily fighting for or on behalf of the Russian people, but rather whatever you would label this kind of ethno-racial group that we're discussing here.
Speaker 2Well, sort of, because... they're the largest group and in the center stalin had to rehabilitate the russian nation in 1936. well this is quite some time from 1917. all right but during the early years particularly uh before stalin consolidates power you have called the affirmative action empire by martin terror terry martin basically promotion and support of every ethnic minority at the expense of the russians
Speaker 2this idea of turning the russian empire inside out uh giving concession to these minorities uh to most of them who are on the periphery geographically to prevent them from breaking free the way lithuania latvia estonia uh poland did ukraine tried georgia tried uh they failed but this was kind of the idea but by the time you get to
Speaker 2Stalin consolidating power after removing Trotsky, Kamenev, and Zinovich, the three Jews, and then he removes the Russians, Bukharin, Tomsky, Ryutin. There is a realization by Stalin and other people under him that you can't make the Soviet Union a Georgian empire. They have to have a Russian core. And this becomes even more important after the German invasion.
Speaker 2So the way they square the circle is this idea of soviet patriotism everybody fighting for the soviet union but under that and what really motivates everybody is the idea okay russians you are fighting for mother russia ukrainians you are fighting for ukraine uh kazakhs you are fighting for kazakhstan right so the idea that you have your own nation with its own territory and other features within the ussr and that was your accepted nationalism that the soviet government allowed
Speaker 2But it's also what people rallied upon. Nobody fought for communism, really, right? But people would fight for Armenia. People would fight for Ukraine. People would fight for Russia.
Ian MalcolmAnd I have to ask this, because what you're describing, this idea of weaponizing essentially the others against the host Russians, it feels... Awfully familiar, maybe eerily so, living in the West where the white Christians have essentially had, let's say, diversity weaponized against them by their governments for the purposes explicitly, it seems, of destabilizing those groups while using that as then a cudgel or a weapon against, let's say, interests elsewhere, which we've seen with the United States going to war with essentially all of the Middle East, which...
Ian MalcolmAgain, it feels kind of eerily similar, perhaps, to what the Russians did.
Speaker 2I don't think he would ever confess to it, but there's a reason I think Terry Martin calls his book Affirmative Action Empire. I think he was making the connection. He himself was a descendant of Mennonite Germans from the Soviet Union. But yes, this period of time in 1917, really all the way up to 1930, it starts to change, but it doesn't consolidate really until 1936.
Speaker 2there is this promotion of non-russian nations including jews they get the a number of territories the largest big bureau bijan in the soviet far east but they had smaller territories in crimea and ukraine rayon or district level uh so the promotion of you know of ukrainian the promotion of kazakh promotion of uzbek all right
Speaker 2But the Russia is the negative space. And Yuri Slezkin wrote a very good short journal article. Yuri Slezkin also wrote The Jewish Century about the disproportionate role of Jews in the Soviet government, as well as in the US government kind of parallel later. But I mean, his expertise is the Soviet Union. The Russia itself is a negative space with leftover after they've given all of these privileges
Speaker 2and rights and benefits and promotion to non-Russian groups.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's unbelievable. And I see Thomas who has his hand up and I want to make sure that we still, while we have time with you, Dr. Powell, that we're able to ensure that individuals can come up and ask their questions because I've gotten a bunch of direct messages from people hoping to be able to do so because this is such a hidden subject and your expertise on it, especially the firsthand nature of it is...
Ian MalcolmIt's truly astonishing. And the pieces that you laid in there in the perspective of the German treatment by the Russians, it truly is wild to see the, I don't want to call it the retelling, but perhaps the pop culture understanding of World War II, where basically what you were describing, that you have irrefutable evidence of taking place, is kind of only levied on the German people as having done to others when it seems obvious this ethno-racial group, as you described it.
Ian Malcolmwhich seemingly did not work in the interest of the Russian people, but rather of some of these outgroups and obviously this Jewish influence, that it was weaponizing itself against that empire. It destabilized it. And now we're seeing, like I said, kind of the similar patterns here. So the last little question that I would ask is when it comes to, and I know that we're blessed to have Mr. Truthteller, who's down in the listener panel.
Ian MalcolmOne of the things that I heard him say once upon a time is that he only realized that kind of his worldview, which largely focuses on this idea of the JQ, not because of any one issue, but rather because of the patterns that he was witnessing throughout history that seemed to be similar groups of people, similar interests, similar nefarious behaviors, especially on the financial side, and then the construction of both in-group and out-group kind of warfare, literally and figuratively.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I'd be curious for your thoughts on The comparison, if essentially the West is going through today, perhaps what Russia once went through, perhaps what they then levied across Western Europe and now into the United States, I'd be curious for your thoughts on kind of where the present goes and what we can best do perhaps to not allow for the repetition of some of these disastrous events of the past.
Ian MalcolmBecause I feel like I can very quickly envision a United States of tomorrow looking rather terrifyingly similar. to the Russia of yesterday that you were just describing. So I'd be curious for some of your thoughts on there. And then I'd love to ask if Wolf or Joanne or Thomas want to jump in with some additional questions for you.
Speaker 2Two points. On the first one, I've already mentioned, but I'll recommend it again. Yuri Slezkin, The Jewish Century. He's a half Jewish, I guess, Michelin from the Soviet Union, a professor at University of California, Berkeley. But this book, mostly on the, how Jews became so overwhelmingly represented in certain Soviet institutions, including the NKVD, but also the higher ranks of the party, the Politburo, the Central Committee.
Speaker 2But he often makes comparisons to their influence in the United States and the establishment of Israel. So he does see that pattern there. You can read. So I recommend that book, which interestingly enough, kind of follows the narrative pattern of Fiddler on the Roof, but that's just kind of the MacGuffin and how he's organized the comparison between the Soviet Union, United States and Israel.
Speaker 2The other thing which I haven't mentioned, but I think it's very important. The Volga Germans were deported to mostly Siberia and a lot to Kazakhstan between 3rd and 20th of September, 1941. On 14th of September, Rosenberg met with Adolf Hitler specifically about this issue. And there were a large number of German Jews that hadn't figured out what to do with.
Speaker 2They had been arguing about deporting them to the ghetto in Wusch or Lauch, but it kept being delayed. And on 18th of September, as a result of the meeting between Alfred Rosenberg and Adolf Hitler, was a green light given to deport jews from germany austria and the sudetenland into ghettos to the east most notably a lost poland uh riga which are now occupied in latvia and uh minsk in belarus i and it was to be justified as pacific retaliation for the deportation of the volga german now
Speaker 2I don't have a lot more insight into that because I haven't seen the actual German document. I've just read Christopher Browning's article on it. But I do know from reading the Soviet archives, the man that organized the trains, the itineraries with the head of the NKPF, the People's Commissariat of Transportation and Communication, which was no other than Lazar Kaganovich.
Speaker 2So you have this very powerful prominent Jew in charge of deporting almost half a million Volga Germans into Siberia and Kazakhstan. And of that half a million, about 100,000 die within about seven years, right? So already while the deportation of the Volga Germans is going on, Rosenberg, who was from Estonia, his chief, one of his chief advisors, Leibbrandt, who is a German from Ukraine, people were being deported into Kazakhstan at the point, tells Hitler, you need to deport the Jews in Germany and Austria to ghettos in the East as specific retaliation for this crime against the Volga Germans.
Ian MalcolmThat's just wild. And, and, um, And Dr. Powell, I just want to, of course, before we do open it up, I just want to thank you so much for the time that you're taking here with us. I've got a bunch more questions, but again, I want to make sure that some of the other individuals that are here are able to throw some up because you're, again, it's not just the expertise that you have on this subject that we're covering here, the Germans in particular in Russia, but your knowledge over this entire period of history that, again, is so obscured.
Ian MalcolmThe fact that you've studied this firsthand from the literature of those firsthand accounts, that you've gone out and met specifically with people that lived through these atrocities, it's wild to be able to hear this firsthand. Because again, I don't know anywhere else on this platform that you can get this, and you're certainly not ever going to get it from anybody on any mainstream program.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I, again, just want to thank you so much for being here. And with that, just check in with the esteemed... our German friend himself, Mr. Wolf, and see if he's got any specific questions for you, and then we'll go down to Mr. Thomas.
Speaker 1Oh, sorry. Sorry, Adam. I was watching something. Oh, no. You know, I'm good. It was a really nice listen, I tell you that. Just, Otto, you know, it was good to meet you. Appreciate the history lesson. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I already knew, but, you know, it was really nice listening to what you presented today.
Speaker 1And also just so much information, and he just didn't stop. So I love when I can just sit back, relax, and just listen to someone give so much perfect information with so much... historical facts right where you can just kind of just learn and just kick back and listen to someone talk like that um you know and i there was yeah i just totally enjoyed it man i really appreciate your time here i really do thank you uh yeah it's rare it's rare to come come by uh people like that who can just present things the way you just did because it's really important history because we need to remember that when you look at the bolshevik era
Speaker 1And I always say this all the time, man. We're dealing with spiritual Jews, right? These Ashkenazis, you know, they claim that people are anti-Semitic, right? They claim that people are this and that. But then they need to remember that they took on a religion, right? And I call them spiritual Jews because they're really not Jewish, right?
Speaker 1And so it's really good to get a history lesson like this from people like you about so many topics. But yeah. Also, you're German, you know. A couple of words I would like you to kind of, you know, get that German down, man. Red mal richtig Deutsch hier, mein Freundchen. But good, good. I love it. I loved listening to you, but I appreciate your time, brother.
Speaker 1God bless you.
Speaker 2Vielen Dank.
Speaker 1Ja, bitte, bitte.
Ian MalcolmI love it. And there is one of those interesting pieces, and maybe this is a quick little question, then we'll go down to Thomas. I'll give him a moment to... To prepare for it, that idea of the spiritual Jew, and I say this just because it does feel like, as you kind of perfectly described it, Dr. Powell, this idea of the ethno-racial group that perhaps isn't even necessarily aligned by any kind of religious tenets.
Ian MalcolmIt's rather this culture and this bloodline. So I'd be curious for your thoughts, if you had any, on religion as it played out amongst this elite group of people. And I say that because obviously the tenets of communism essentially require, or so Marx thought, the breakdown of things like religion, because you needed to basically deracinate not only the people, but also kind of their heritage and culture.
Ian MalcolmSo I'd be curious for, if you have a kind of knowledge of it, you know, what were some of the religious views, if any, of a lot of these, what Wolf might have described there as spiritual Jews? And if there was any spirituality there or if it was primarily just atheism through and through.
Speaker 2Yes. Officially, the Soviet government was atheist. And to be a member of the Communist Party, you could not be a religious believer of any religion. So if you there weren't very many Germans that were in the Communist Party. But if you you would have to denounce Lutheranism or Catholicism or Mennonitism there. There were a couple of Mennonites, strangely enough, that were communist writers in the Soviet Union during the 1930s.
Speaker 2And they're kind of interesting because they are so rare. Considerably more Jews in the party than Germans, essentially percentage-wise, but even in absolute numbers. None of these people were people that were religious. So the highest ranking one during the Stalin era, Kaganovich from 1930 to 1957 was not a practicing Jew, although he grew up in a Jewish family with native language of Yiddish.
Speaker 2So there are some exceptions. I know a lot of the Muslim communists were still secretly believers because when they came to die, they demanded that their families organize Muslim burials for them. which is, of course, not something that a true atheist communist would do. I haven't heard of any kind of crypto religion among ethnic Jews in the Communist Party doing this.
Speaker 2I've heard some of Russian Orthodox Christian. But officially, the way the Soviet government viewed it, the term they use is Yevre in Russian, which literally means Hebrew. So they were looking at it as a not a religious group. And as such, it was to have a secular culture based primarily around the Yiddish language. Now, this failed because most of the Jews in the Soviet Union did not want to be stuck in Yiddish-speaking territories
Speaker 2as far as their upward mobility.
Speaker 1They preferred to... Otto, can you explain Yiddish to people?
Speaker 2Yiddish is a language related to German that is written in Hebrew characters and has a number of Hebrew words. It also surprisingly has a number of Italian words, I found out. Most of them relating to feet. And I'm not sure why. But it's basically... a form of German written in Hebrew letters with a lot of Hebrew vocabulary and some other influences.
Speaker 2But it was the main language of Jews in Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, and Russia up until the Soviet era. And then Russian really replaces it for the Soviet Union. And in, of course, Palestine, They banned the teaching of Yiddish in Israel for a long time after it was immediately founded in order to force everybody to learn Hebrew.
Speaker 2We had this weird situation where you had more Yiddish speakers in Johannesburg than in Israel. And in Israel, there was no official status of Yiddish, but it was an official language in Sweden.
Speaker 4I think it's just so funny. People just don't talk about this enough. I think it's so funny.
Ian MalcolmI'm so curious. They took the German language and then quasi-bastardized it with Hebrew. Is that right? Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2This is done with a lot of languages. There's a Spanish version called Ladino. Ladino is medieval Spanish with lots of Hebrew written in Hebrew letters. It's what the Jews in Thessalonica, which is in Greek, spoke. up until the Second World War. There is some other version, but Ladino is like the Spanish parallel to German Yiddish.
Speaker 2The Ashkenazi language is Yiddish and the Sephardic language is Ladino.
Speaker 2My understanding is that the Jews that were in Germany and then moved into Poland and Eastward, I'd come from France, but their stay in Germany, they abandoned the Hebrew as an everyday language in favor of this bastardized version of German. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4One thing that's interesting, Ian, and I apologize too. One thing that's funny, and I think Otte can relate to this, they love making words. They love coming up with new words. They create new words. They create their own language. They just love it. That's what they do. It's what they've been doing forever.
Ian MalcolmBut none of it is original, right? It's all lifted and then twisted and then presented as if it's their own, which is a very strange pattern. But I did want to call out- Parasitic almost, Ian.
Speaker 5It's parasitic almost.
Ian MalcolmWell, I suppose we could call it that, but I almost wanted to use that and Dr. Powell's ability to just reference those two languages in addition to all of the history that he's walked through just to, again, kind of bring attention to his just unparalleled ability to discuss some of these topics. And I can't think of something that could have been more-
Ian Malcolmout of left field to be brought up. And the fact that he could just rattle that off the top of his head is just, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2Only because our local history organization here in the town I live in, we had an expert on Yiddish language speak this month. So it was a small group with only 10 of us. But the thing that blew my mind, though, is how many Italian words are in Yiddish.
Ian MalcolmNo, and it's... It's such a small world that that would be a coincidence. But the fact that that small group is something that you're part of regularly attending, trying to unpack that piece of history as well, just goes to show the lengths that you're going to try and understand some of these pieces that are so wildly obscured.
Ian MalcolmBut Wolf, a wonderful call out there, my friend. And please jump in at any point. Hostess with the mostest and co-hostess, regardless of the... the labeling system here. And I want everybody that's up on the panel at this point to kind of feel similar privileges. And I say that just because I'd love to turn this into a curious round table.
Ian MalcolmWe've got some wonderful speakers up here, Patriot, Liam, Selena, Thomas, so good to see all of you, King Goy. And I just want to thank everybody that's been listening along. Feel free, if you have a question for the doctor, if you don't feel comfortable speaking, feel free to put in the purple pill. we'll start kind of cycling through some of those.
Ian MalcolmAnd if you would like to come up, feel free to request a microphone. But Tom, it's such a pleasure to have you here and wanted to turn things over to you for a question for Dr. Powell.
Speaker 5Ian, thank you so much. And great space as always. Otto, thank you so much for your time. It's been a pleasure listening to you. I love history. I'm obsessed with history. It's a passion of mine. I have English heritage and we trace back to the 12th century, know all about the Battle of Hastings and all this. And, you know, so I love hearing the, you know, the minutia of all these different.
Speaker 5I mean, you know, Mark Twain said history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. And it's true. If you don't realize if you don't understand these issues, you end up facing them completely unprepared. But I did have a couple of questions because it's been such a great conversation. It's gone a lot of different ways, but I know that you've written that Soviet deportation of the ethnic Germans has been one of the largest ethnic cleansings in history, and nobody really talks about it.
Speaker 5What do you think about this situation that has made it so invisible in the West compared to, say, the Holocaust? Kind of a double part, a double edge to the question is of all the deported groups you've studied. I know you've got you've written about the Germans, the Koreans, the Crimean, Crimean Tartars and, you know, the Chechens.
Speaker 5Who do you who what group of these has had the hardest time getting their story recognized historically? And why why do you think that is? Because it seems like these these situations obviously are hidden for, you know, I think propaganda comes into play. But is there some kind of common thread as to why we're seeing this?
Speaker 5And I mean, they're obviously I think there are probably governments using the same playbook of collective punishment and mass deportation that Stalin kind of perfected across the globe today. Yeah.
Speaker 2Again, I can't predict the future. I have hard enough time predicting the past, but. In the long term, the Germans might have had it the worst because you had 2 things going on 1, unlike the and the comics and English and the ball cars. They were never allowed to return to the areas from which they were deported. And 2.
Speaker 2their ability to maintain their features of their ethnos, and particularly the German language in exile, were not very successful. I mean, some other groups were not successful either. But you basically had a situation where people of German ancestry emigrating, returning to Germany, the , had to be re-Germanized. And you still have
Speaker 2Situation among some of the families is Germans from Russia. Where the parents or grandparents that migrated from Kazakhstan. Or Siberia, Kyrgyzstan to Germany still prefer to use Russian as their primary language, even as their children and grandchildren have become German eyes in Germany. So, the flip side of that then is having.
Speaker 2migrated in large numbers after being russified for decades to a certain extent, they now have where they're losing the unique Russian parts of the identity.
Speaker 2So the Soviet plan was to kind of create a Volga German nation that would obviously have its own unique dialect of German. the only german dialect has the russian words for most technological uh things the things that came after the 18th century so instead of uh derwagen it's machina instead of uh their cool shrunk it's hello nick all right so they took the russian words for a car and refrigerator such thing but also with the uh you know the german part dates back to the 18th century uh before a lot of the standardization after the
Speaker 2unification in 1871 and the creation of a a german empire under the capital ottoman bismarck so it could be in terms of as i said one of the things that it's hard to to be optimistic although Uh, when looking at the history, although there are some positive things recently, like the. The German population in Kazakhstan is now 1 of the few.
Speaker 2A white population in the world that is growing due to natural population increase that is people having children. Uh, but the, the, the, the 1 thing a lot of people tell me that they find so repressing and there's just. There's no end, right? That literally is. Orwell's vision of the boot stomping on a human face forever.
Speaker 2You have 80 years of unrelenting communist repression.
Speaker 1Well, it also made them a little dumber, didn't it? Because they were starved so much. Isn't that a true story as well?
Speaker 2Because of starvation?
Speaker 1When it comes down to the east block?
Speaker 2Yeah, well, Stump and... Sorry, go ahead. ...got in a number of arguments with other members of the SS. So Stump being from Ukraine was trying to defend the, as it were, vitality and biological resilience of the Black Sea Germans. And to do this, he had to basically lie about how many had been killed in the 32-33 famine, how many had...
Speaker 2basically been deracinated during the 1930s. And whereas other members of the SS were looking at them and saying, a lot of these guys, there's not much German left in them. So this was a conflict during the 1940s when Stumpf was heading his own sonderkommando in the SS to collect information on He greatly downplays Soviet repression because he's trying to argue that they were biologically able to resist it.
Speaker 2And other members of the SS are saying, no, we've seen with our own eyes these people have been badly, not just biologically, physically, but spiritually damaged by Bolshevism.
Speaker 1Yeah. Thank you. I mean, because I'm from Western Germany, you know, and I mean, I remember like it was yesterday when 89, when the wall fell under Gorbachev. And it was just different. You know, in Western Germany, we always had these stories because it's just what happened on the East Front, right? It's just what it was.
Speaker 1But I had a question real quick before you guys move on. What did they call Kühlschrank? You said there was a name they had for Kühlschrank. What was that in Yiddish?
Speaker 2Can you repeat that?
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know if it's me or you.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I was going to say, Dr. Powell, I think your mic's coming through a little scratchy.
Speaker 1Yeah, but Kühlschrank, you said Kühlschrank in Yiddish. You had a word for it. I never heard that before. Can you repeat that, what they call Kühlschrank?
Speaker 1Otto.
@joann_marieMaybe I should recycle him?
Speaker 1Yeah, you should probably recycle him. Probably not a bad idea.
Speaker 6Okay. Wolf, I can ask for that if you would like me to.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. Recycle him real quick. But what do they call Kuchlan?
Ian MalcolmI'm going to move you down and then bring you right back up. It's funny. It sounds like you're at the bottom of a well. We're hearing like every third or fourth word.
Speaker 1I think he's on the computer, on the browser. What do they call that? Real quick. I need to hear that one.
Speaker 6They call it Fritscheiser. This is so fucking weird.
Speaker 1God, I looked through some of these Yiddish words, you know, because German is not an easy language. We have words there, like, you know, some of them are like four or five inches long, right? And, I mean, not really, like, for real. But that he mentioned Italian was in there as well. I need to really... Anyways, I'm fascinated.
Speaker 1I really wish he could... Tell me which words. I hope he wrote it down or something. I don't know. Anyways, just super cool. Super interesting. Because Yiddish is such a made-up language. I mean, you can literally hear it when you call it Yiddish. Like gibberish, right? It's just like... Anyways. All right.
Speaker 6It actually also has 15% Russian. My bad. There you go. So it's 75% German. There is 10% or 12% or 15% Russian. I don't recall anymore. So I understand it pretty well, actually.
Speaker 5Oh, kakdila. That's phenomenal that it's just piecemealed like that. I actually didn't know that. Language is so interesting. You see so many parallels. Yiddish is a huge lie. That's so hilarious. There's a lady who was talking about the... um the lack of kind of uh there's no like real arabic sound to hebrew like the way they even bastardize their own version of it it's it's just so funny it's hilarious really when you get down into the weeds of this thing yeah it kind of reminds me of uh somebody that took a a cookie that was already made and then chocolate chips that were already made and put it together and was like look what i made from scratch it's all mine nobody else has ever had it before because i'm so intelligent
Ian MalcolmAnd if you question whether or not it's original and I'm an awesome individual that's way smarter than you guys, then I'm just going to call you a bigot. And there we go. That's modernity, folks. Dr. Powell, I sent a co-host invite. Hopefully that's coming through. Also sent a speaker request. But while we wait for you, Thomas, any other thoughts before we go to Selena?
Speaker 5Yeah, you know, I had one more kind of question, and it was just more like a quick one, really. You know, I know that he's written about how Soviet Germans in these special settlements and labor armies experienced like a religious revival in the 50s and 60s. And I kind of wanted to hear his thoughts about, you know, what he thought was special about that.
Speaker 5what's really, uh, what's most surprising about that whole process, because I think that we see that kind of now, I think that there is a, I don't know, a desire, a pull to, um, kind of, I think morality or some kind of, I think we see so much debauchery and it's, I think it's just so on in our face that, yeah, I think anybody faced with hard hardship, um, looks to something greater than themselves.
Speaker 5But I think that that was a very interesting, um, historical kind of situation, that there was this religious revival in these labor camps during this Soviet oppression. But I think you see it across history, same kind of thing.
Ian MalcolmThomas, and I see that he's in the room trying to get the mic down to him. You're going to have to make sure to ask that specifically. And the thing I find so curious about it is that obviously is the exact same parallel, what you just described, not only prospectively today, in the West, but also in the Roman Empire, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd people want to suggest that a lot of the demise of Rome was in line with the rise of Christianity and therefore one caused the other. And it's like, or perhaps people ran to Christianity because things were getting so terrible and they're being destroyed on purpose, right? So not sure if you have any thoughts of that and maybe the parallel to Rome while you wait for Dr. Powell.
Speaker 5Yeah, obviously it's a reaction, right? It's a reaction to societal, you know, hardships. I think you see the decline of Rome. You know, the Roman Empire burned to the ground and out of the ashes came the Holy Roman Empire. So it's, you know, the Roman Church. And so I think that people have been going to that. for, you know, ages.
Speaker 5And I think that you see it today. I think you see it in America. I think that there's this kind of, uh, this gender, this young Gen Z, they're not like having sex. They're, they're, um, they kind of are like, I don't know, they desire some kind of, uh, leadership or morality. And I think that something that we've kind of lost, um, we lost a moral battle decades ago.
Speaker 5I've made this argument with the Larry Flynn, the hustler, how there was a, this kind of a obscenity trial. that kind of, I think, allowed for the, you know, just gross excess and pornography in our mainstream media. And now, you know, fast forward today, we have, this is how like young children are learning about sex is through these graphic mediums.
Speaker 5And I think that we kind of have lost that. And I think that people are drawn to morality, drawn to this thing that isn't present. It's just when it's not present, people are drawn to it, I think. No, I think that's exactly right.
Ian MalcolmAnd two things. Number one, on a light note, my brain's over here and I'm trying to piece together the intro sound effect that we heard in the background there. One of the major studios. Can't remember which one it is. 20th Century Fox. Is it? Yes. That's the intro? I think of the one with the... Oh, no, that is 20th Century.
Ian MalcolmWith the little lights going everywhere. Yeah. Maybe you're right on that one, Joanne. No, no, no, I'm not. You're right. Insight into why I love storytelling, right? But the other piece is that idea of the decline of morality, right? What's so curious with the younger generation, and I saw Wolf did the laughing emoji when Thomas said, and it's accurately the case, that the upcoming generation has essentially no, let's say, romantic entanglements with the opposite sex, and yet they are exposed to more
Ian Malcolmmore graphic renditions of obviously a far higher volume of, and, and to an early age of all things that are adult in nature. Uh, and I will never forget as long as I live sitting in a restaurant and how do I want to say this opposite of the person that I was looking at on the other side of a table, the other side of a booth, there was a little child with an iPad watching.
Ian MalcolmAnd I kid you not. just youtube video after youtube video after women in bikinis shaking around the kid could not have been more than five or six years old and obviously knew what he was doing was wrong because when the waiter waitress came by after i noticed what was going on would move the ipad or whatever the little digital display was whenever the adults would come by so they knew they shouldn't be doing it my point is while it's both also somewhat i suppose a
Ian Malcolmrather comedic situation out of a movie. It's a terrifying horror film of a reality that five or six year old kids that don't even know what they're looking at or why they prospectively might be interested in that once more developed, let's say physically or biologically speaking. Instead, they're looking at something for the dopamine that exists.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's all that these romantic relationships have become. And if you're purely going after the dopamine, well, then what's going to motivate you to get off of the couch, to stop playing the video game, to go out into your neighborhood, to try and meet the pretty girl that lives down the street so that maybe you can strike up a conversation when you're probably going to get rejected?
Ian MalcolmWouldn't it be way easier to just drink another Dr. Pepper, turn on your Xbox, and turn on your pornographic stuff at the age of 11 years old or whatever it is? It's disgusting. It's grotesque. It's removing all the motivation from these kids. and the results of it are self-evident, because you look around, relationships are at all-time lows, marriages are at all-time lows, obesity, addictions to all of these things, whether it's literal in the sense of opiates, of SSRIs, of alcohol, of weed, as well as the addictions to all of these other intellectual things, whether it's video games or the more graphic of content, it's left, right, and center, but the thing that is not are these deep, meaningful relationships that, to Thomas's point,
Speaker 1actually provide substance and meaning uh to your life and so real quick real quick real quick on that ian um and what doesn't help either is and look i love the kid right i really do i think he's a he's a beneficial he's he's part of the engine part of the mechanism of what we need to push forward which is nick fuentes right but um when i watched oh he sent me a course
Speaker 1Oh, okay. What's up with Odo? All right, anyways.
Speaker 2I'm here.
Speaker 1You can send it to him. I deny it.
Speaker 2Oh, welcome back.
Speaker 1I could plan it.
Speaker 2No, no, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1Don't worry about it. Okay, I'll take it back. All right, anyways, long story short here. Nick, I watched the episode. Goodness, let me see. I'll just make a real quick point here. What day was it? November 14th, right? And I think it was like five hours. And 15 minutes in, 5 hours, 10 minutes in or something. And he really started talking about himself a lot.
Speaker 1And he started talking about women. And he started to talk about women.
Speaker 1and how he would be tired of having a wife, and why he wouldn't want a wife, and all his explanations he had, like he would have to have a villa so she could have her own upstairs and he'd be downstairs, and his distance, and how it would be annoying, but just sounded like he has no experience at all with women, right?
Speaker 1So it's like, it's a very depressing scene to watch even him, as someone who's very influential, to the Gen Z crowd, pretty much making it uncool to, you know, have a wife or to be married or something like that, right? Which was very much... I have a huge question mark about his stance of sexuality and what he swings at, to be honest, now after I watched that part.
Speaker 1But it's my own opinion and my own... a thing I'm going to have to kind of dig deeper into, because I feel like it was depressing. And it's really all I'm seeing lately with Gen Zers. But I also feel really bad for the guys, like Gen Alpha and Gen Zers now, when it comes down to the woman material that they do have available, because they're also hooked on social media, and they're also kind of...
Speaker 1I feel like there's a lot of toxicity out there when it comes down to the mindset of women, when it comes down to feminism, when it comes down to... you know, other women representing themselves online, which everyone is online, especially on social media platforms, where they just make it so cool, quote-unquote, and okay for them to be the S and the B word, right?
Speaker 1For them to just be like, oh, I have all these guys who are OnlyFans and all these things are out there and making these women look like they're some kind of successful... human beings, but you know what they are. I mean, they're prostitutes. Let's just be honest. Let's just be frank real quick when it comes down to the wording.
Speaker 1And it's just not in. But it makes it very difficult for this generation. I feel like this is a really tough time. And then guys like Nick Fuentes who have so much influence, it's just not helping. When I just watched that episode with him, right there at the five-hour mark, you go in there, November 14, five hours, ten minutes, go onwards, listen to it,
Speaker 1Tell me what you think. I mean, I was just like, dude, like, don't talk about yourself. Don't talk about your relationship and what you, like, it just was really, like, not good. It was not good. Anyways, I'm going to leave it there. It's just not helping. It's not helping the boys. It's not helping anything. And it's depressing.
Speaker 1I mean, I don't know. I'm an 80s kid. And, like, for me, like... You know, women are everything, right? I love fucking women. I love women. I mean, I'm married. Sorry, that came out wrong. I love females. I mean, holy cow. You know, I'm married. I love women. Like, that's just what it is. We grew up, like, we had respect, but we were curious creatures, but we had respect for them, and we understood.
Speaker 1You know, the limits, the boundaries. There was not such toxicity constantly into our lives, into our faces. And I think that's really what ruins society today. But anyways, I'm going to shut up because I came out wrong. But anyways, God bless you. Get the message.
Ian MalcolmWe need more leaders. It was great. I'll tell you, it reminds me for anybody that has not seen Pumping Iron with Arnold. He talks about his love for women in that and kind of some funny overlap with the... the vocal inflection there, Wolf. And as always, look, the thing that I'd ask Dr. Powell here before we go to Kalina.
Ian MalcolmI got to drop.
Speaker 4I cannot unmute. I cannot mute. I'll be right back.
Ian MalcolmAll right, my friend. The question that I would have, Dr. Powell and Thomas was bringing this up, the idea of religion in Russia under this oppressive regime. And he was drawing on the parallels to the present, where under what some would suggest is a similar power structure, You've seen the demoralization of the people, essentially the rooting out of religion and a lot of the ethics and a lot of the things that made the nation perhaps once great.
Ian MalcolmAnd then because that has been rooted out in the depressed state that the nation finds itself in, all of a sudden Christian nationalism is starting to rise and perhaps gain traction in the United States and Western Europe. And I'd be curious if anything like that took place in Russia. Did some of these... seemingly persecuted ethnic Russians from this out group, this perhaps kind of racial group, were they developing perhaps either a loyalty towards or a rise to kind of the prominence of religion in that kind of oppressed class, or did that never come about in Russia?
Speaker 2No, there are lots of examples of churches, both the Roman Catholic Church, uh as well as uh protestant uh churches such as the lutherans and mennonites uh functioning underground so eugene bachman whom i mentioned one of the three surviving lutheran pastors uh built uh illegally he got permission through lots of red tape the first lutheran church in kazakhstan after world war ii it was built in the 50s but
Speaker 2There's all kinds of stories and even film, of course, memoirs, writing of people attending religious services in people's homes and houses. Interesting film I've seen of some of the Mennonite communities in Kazakhstan during the Soviet era because their communal bread is one loaf they pass around and the communal wine is one big goblet they pass around.
Speaker 2It's no fear of germs when God is on your side, I guess. But one of the things that happened particularly in Kazakhstan is because you had dispersed but different nationalities of the same religion, so you had German Catholic, Polish Catholic, Lithuanian Catholic, Latvian Catholics in Kazakhstan, the underground congregations were often being ministered to by
Speaker 2priests from Lithuania. And in fact, there's a direct order from the Pope for priests in Lithuania to specifically go out and minister to exiles in Kazakhstan. But one of the things is these services that used to be in German for the Germans, because you now have Poles and Latvians and Lithuanians in it, they end up being done in Russian.
Speaker 2This is one of the, again, one of the pressures of acculturation, you see. But there is, in the Mennonite communities, so the Mennonites don't have an organized priesthood. They have a priesthood of all believers. The religious ceremonies were still being done in Plattdeutsch, the low German that's close to Dutch, that the Mennonites brought with them to the Russian Empire in mostly the 19th century after they got a
Speaker 2Charter of Privileges from Tsar Paul I in 1800. So there is a whole history of underground churches. The Catholic Church, because it's very well organized and has a power center in Rome, did the best. It kind of had a center in the Soviet Union in occupied Lithuania. But as I said, they sent priests out to Kazakhstan. and Siberia to minister not just the Lithuanians who had been deported eastward, but Poles and Germans and Latvians as well.
Speaker 2The Mennonites, again, the kind of South. But one thing the Mennonites did, because they weren't legalized until 1967, any Mennonite activity was illegal because of their opposition to service in the military and their pacifism. is that a lot of them converted to baptism. And you see a lot of the Russian Baptists in places like Siberia are former Mennonites if you trace their family back.
Speaker 2They converted largely in the 1950s and 60s because there was a legal existence for Baptists after concordant was signed with Moscow during the Second World War, the Baptists were willing to support the Soviet war effort, whereas the Mennonites remained strongly pacifist.
Speaker 2Officially, the above-ground existing religions are very restricted. low number of churches, low number of ordained clergy, all kinds of restrictions and limitations on the amount of religious literature allowed, et cetera, particularly in the German language for the ethnic Germans. But there is quite a bit written about it.
Speaker 2And they did have underground networks. And in many cases, the Soviet repression, the ham handed, you know, kind of tried to eliminate it through violent force, led it to resist and exist much more strongly than the situation in the United States and Western Europe. where instead of repressing religion, you basically just offer people all kinds of temptation to leave religion seemingly on their own volition.
Speaker 2That is the carrot of sin versus the hammer of repression.
Ian MalcolmWell, I think both those end up working in unison. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to cut somebody off.
@joann_marieOh, no, it's okay. No, I just wanted to congratulate you, Ian. Thank you so much for hosting. This is amazing. The Bolshevik topic is one of my favorite topics and we haven't done a space about it in so long. So I'm just really grateful that you got this amazing doctor that is an expert in this. And yeah, no, I just...
@joann_marieIt's really refreshing to listen to the German side of it because every time we talk, it's more in the surface level. And now it's very detailed on everything. And I'm just like, my mind is mind blown. And now I just wanted to thank you. And everyone, please come join us and ask your questions. Because we have the privilege to have this amazing doctor.
@joann_mariewho knows everything. So thank you so much. And yeah, no, that was it. I'm mind blown. It's amazing. Thank you.
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. And I could not echo the sentiments enough in terms of the gratitude for Dr. Powell being here. Let's go to Selena, who has a question, I think, for the doctor.
Speaker 6No, actually, I wanted to add something. As many of you know, I grew up in Germany, and in Unterfranken, the village, we had a huge resettlement from Siberia, the village called Saratovka. The whole village technically resettled into my city. I grew up with... They would call themselves Russian-German, so they spoke actually German fluently, but they spoke Flattendeutsch.
Speaker 6That was a very odd... version of german that i nobody really understood because they had some dutch elements and um some i don't know maybe you can explain platinum the dialogues the dialogues that they have
Speaker 1I mean, it's interesting. Was it Schwaben? What was that?
Speaker 6That was Plattendeutsch. Because they, I'm assuming when they resettled back to Russia, that's where they were from. So they kind of kept the language. Of course, a lot of Russian elements were implemented as well into the language. But they like literally the whole village. It's Saratovka. You can look it up. It's in Siberia.
Speaker 6They all spoke Platte Deutsch.
Speaker 1Oh, Plattdeutsch, Plattendeutsch.
Speaker 6Plattendeutsch, exactly, exactly. What is that? Plattdeutsch?
Speaker 1It's a different dialect. It's pretty much a dialect. And they also word German words completely differently. Like you can, like the way they say, like the Bavarians, like when you go to Bayern, Bavaria, my favorite for German, like me, we Western Germans, right? Let's say Hessen. Hessen is where, you know, we from, Hessen.
Speaker 1It's the state. And the German there is just German, right? And there's no dialect. It's just flat, normal German. And the dialect that they have in Bavaria, it's to me the funniest dialect ever, right? Yeah, so it's just, I don't know. I can't explain it in English. You have to be German to understand what I'm saying, I guess, because the Bavarian accent, the Bavarian...
Speaker 1dialect is funny but what she's saying flat deutsch and there's flat deutsch hochdeutsch there's all these german uh dialogues they're just it's almost like they're slang german like it's almost like a slang right so well so i learned it just the highly protestant people always kept the faith interestingly enough like women were periodically raped because they were even working in the mines in siberia and i think
Speaker 6the Germans who were in Kazakhstan had a bit of a better faith than the ones who were sent to Siberia because the conditions were much, much harsher, right? It was like, I don't know how you say it in English, but like minus 40, it's like literally freezing. And like lots of women, the men were taken away, like the villages were literally only female-based because all the males were like either in a...
Speaker 6in a prison so they did yeah a horrible horrible horrible horrible fate the germans from russia and unfortunately um i don't know if the doctor would agree with me on that or not the germans were not very accepting of them back when they were moving because there was also that a different cultural like mix they mixed their germanness a bit with russia so it was like a lot a lot of like the youth were all on drugs they were kind of like
Speaker 6Yeah, I don't know. But I do have a lot of friends and they're all wonderful, actually.
@joann_marieBut no one talks about this. So it's I'm just really happy this is happening. And guys, please also repost it and follow Ian and Dr. Poe and Wolf and amazing speakers. And yeah, no, thank you so much for being here. Should we go to Hans?
Ian MalcolmYeah, let's do it.
@joann_marieAll right. King Goy. Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 7welcome yes thank you very much uh i too just wanted to express my gratitude um ian thank you so much for hosting this space this has been one of the most informative educational spaces live that i've ever heard better yet been in live and you know uh dr otto thank you so much for all your information um you know the level of you know precise
Speaker 7everything i mean that you gave us especially on this subject um you know in history that has been you know so hidden and lied about and you know just you know clothed and not speaking spoken about and i just feel very blessed to have been in here um you know i've learned more you know about specific you know detailed things than you do in a lot of documentaries so you know
Speaker 7Ian, thank you so much for taking the time out to host this. This is amazing. And, Doctor, thank you so much for all the work you've done and all the information. It was truly, truly amazing. And, again, I feel very blessed to have been in here. And I just wanted to add to what you were talking about just a little bit prior to the level of degeneracy that has hit our culture and how things are going with
Speaker 7know i believe it was um ian talking about you know the kid with the ipad and you know how kids are growing up today you know completely different in a different culture in a different world you know growing up you know you know getting their experiences through you know an iphone and i think that we're just you know haven't even seen the effects that this is really going to give
Speaker 7kids growing up, but we're just going to start to see them now, right? Like, you know, the level of normalizing the sexuality, you know, I've looked... you know, heard and, you know, read that, you know, even the level of, you know, pornography that's on is, you know, from kids. You know, I remember when I was younger and I'm 35 that, you know, we had to, you know, get a nudie mag or, you know, a DVD that was hidden underneath your father's, you know, you know, mattress or whatnot.
Speaker 7But now it's just right out in the open. And, you know, I even read that it's affecting young men now, even, you know, in, you know, normal sexual situations to where, you know, they're even having trouble, you know, and it's just, it's very sad and it's normalizing things to the point where, you know, it's tricking our, you know, mind, especially the kids that, you know, sometimes, especially at a young age, your mind can't tell the difference between what's real and what's fake.
Speaker 7And, you know, it's just, it's a very sad thing. And, you know, I just, again, wanted to thank you i think it's a very very important subject just because again it is not spoken about the most you'll hear about this on is like europa and that's one of the most you know hidden documentaries you know of all and not a lot of people heard about it and you know
Speaker 7I just wish we could come up with some solutions on how to do it. But as for the technology part of it, there really is, we have to just learn how to limit it with our kids, you know, not give them phones right away because, you know, it doesn't affect, it affects a child differently. Like when you're saying how they scrolling YouTube after YouTube video, you know, the attention spans now of kids are completely out of whack.
Speaker 7And that's because you know, video after video after video from, you know, a child growing, you know, his brain. It doesn't, you know, the registering of, you know, multiple things run right after another. And again, you know, I don't sound like a... broken record here, but I don't even think we have yet really have seen the level of, you know, destruction and, you know, hurt that it is, you know, doing to the kids.
Speaker 7And I, you know, I can only pray and hope for the best, but I apologize. I know I'm stumbling over my words on the side of the road here and somebody just pulled up next to me and I was just like waving them off. But again, thank you so much for the space. God bless you both. And I really appreciate being here.
@joann_marieYes, thank you so much for coming up, Kingui. Sorry, Ian, go ahead.
Ian MalcolmNo, I was just going to echo those exact sentiments, Joanne, and just thank him for those wonderfully positive words. And Kingui, the thing that is so fascinating is we can talk about these things a hundred different ways, right? And what I mean by that is we go into modernity, we talk about politics, you know, people can turn on Fox News or MSNBC or whatever.
Ian MalcolmBBC, whatever's their preferred network. And you're going to get the current thing that is designed merely to get you upset with somebody else that isn't the one that owns the network, that owns the politicians, that owns the everything. And then we can unpack, okay, well, why is that? And we can go to who owns those things and all the conversations that we do.
Ian MalcolmBut where it does get really wild is when, especially for those of us that are aware of and given an avatar like King Goy, it's obvious, you know, that you're very well aware of what's going on. And so for those of us that have kind of been through the 101 enablement and education on these subjects, you know, we can go into spaces and argue with the Zionists back and forth about current events and is it or isn't it the JQ?
Ian MalcolmThe thing that I find far more interesting is when we're blessed to be able to talk to people like, in this case, Dr. Otto Powell, and to understand his level of expertise, not at the surface level. This is not the high school curriculum rendition of the history of Europe during the times roughly around World War II. This is the master's class presented by a doctor, a professor, essentially.
Ian MalcolmI know not necessarily the right title yet, sir, but just humbled to have him with us and to be able to discuss these things at a level that is even way over my... understanding of these. I think, and I know we're blessed to still have Mr. Truthteller in the listener panel. With the exception of him, you know, I don't know if anybody could present some of this material the way that Dr. Powell is.
Ian MalcolmSo it's truly a humbling experience to have him in the room. And it's just so helpful to be able to try and understand the past so that we can then look at the present, try and connect the dots, and then see where we prospectively go in the future if we don't bring more attention to these things. And that's all things considered.
Ian MalcolmAnd Dr. Powell, I'll actually throw this question to you, which is, you know, who is essentially under a worse tyranny, perhaps? Is it the individuals that were living under the Russian Bolshevik regime, which I think would be probably the obvious answer given the physical torment that they endured, or that of the present where perhaps individuals are not slaves out, you know, chopping down lumber or out in mines?
Ian Malcolmbut they are sitting in cubicles, endlessly staring at screens where everything is monopolized and their minds are as enslaved as their physical bodies, which perhaps the people in the past might not have been. And so I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on the present. Do we basically live in the Bolshevism 2.0 in the West where we're essentially enslaved in not just the bodies perhaps, but the mind, the soul, the spirit that's all being ripped out?
Ian MalcolmAnd do you think that we're going to be able to see an awakening to this because of the technology that while part of the enslavement also offers us the opportunity to have perhaps these types of conversations to bring awareness to these issues and then maybe to reject the furthering of that enslavement that we might find ourselves under?
Speaker 2Yeah, well, I mean, they look at it in the kind of literary context. The Soviet Union went the 1984 route and the U.S. European Union have gone the brave new world route, neither of which are good outcomes, but obviously kind of vary. So one of the ironies is repressive and deadly in some cases, the Soviet system was. you didn't have any communists saying well i'm going to make your sons into girls right so some of the really weird bizarre stuff that and you see this in in in huxley the book already which is written in the 30s before orwell writes 1984 you the things like the sexualization of children um you know you in some sense you can say you know at least the communists were just going to torture and kill me whereas the
Speaker 2There's a complete and total perversion of morality and even basic biological existence in some of the gay race communism that's come about in the West.
Ian MalcolmNo, that's a wild truth. And it's one of the crazy pieces is when people start going down these conversational paths and they... find themselves talking about Weimar and they say, well, obviously that was way worse than the West is today. And yet I think perhaps Weimar reached rock bottom at a point that was not as insane as the realities that we see today.
Ian MalcolmAnd people talk about in Weimar how they had, you know, mothers and their daughters essentially prostituting themselves out. And then we...
Speaker 2hear an article about only fans women that are doing precisely that and it's like i i guess we're actually not too far from if not in worse shape then the people at that time we've got the drugs we've got there's a a good series of books uh they're fictionalized but uh philip kerr who was british and now dead wrote uh a series of books they start in weimar germany and it goes up past the war uh but he kind of connects it so uh
Speaker 2Not only did he talk about the decadence of Weimar, but then he goes through the war, and he talks about the Wehrmacht War Crime Bureau investigating Khatan and other Soviet atrocities in the East. But in the post-war period, the Soviet Red Army had a huge number of rapes against German women and also other women. But the American and British soldiers often
Speaker 2were not much better and that they reduced most of the female population in germany uh that were adults uh you know your ordinary house frow uh to the level of prostitution you had literally uh they they they called them uh choco girls women that would uh would sell their bodies for a bar of chocolate they were so desperate for food uh and this was uh
Speaker 2to the Americans and British, not the Soviets. So the level of sexual degradation imposed upon occupied Germany by the Allies, not just the violent rapes by the Soviets, but the kind of reduction of ordinary women to prostitution to survive and feed their families, is something that
Ian Malcolmuh in his novels covers very well but i don't think most people in the anglo world or even in the german-speaking world talk too much about it because it's kind of a shameful no absolutely and and that's the the craziest piece about this is that the worse things get the more people feel ashamed to discuss them uh and it's no different than somebody that suffers for example from alcoholism that
Ian MalcolmEven when they know they need help, they still feel so ashamed that they often will lie, not only to others, but also to themselves about how bad the problem is that they have. One quick question, Dr. Powell, and I'll give my quick take on this, but somebody in the comments in the Purple Pill, which I will always try to read through while other speakers are going so I can surface these questions.
Ian MalcolmThey were asking the differentiation between Orwell's 84 and Huxley and Brave New World. And my presumption in your... suggestion there that under the Bolsheviks that they basically endured the Brave New World, or I'm sorry, 1984, which is the more authoritarian, oppressive kind of police state that watches and listens everything that you're doing.
Ian MalcolmAnd of course, grabs you in the middle of the night for wrong think. Whereas, and I think you're correct on this, that the West right now is under Brave New World, where everyone is essentially lied to, but then more or less medicated, whether it's through prescription or illicit drugs or any other food or let's just say synthetic substance that gets us hollowed out as people and therefore willing to be pacified into kind of a stupor that we then think we're existing through something that is kind of a world of free choice, of democracy, of open dialogue, when in reality, we're all just essentially brainwashed and propagandized into
Speaker 2sleepwalking through our lifetime in in essentially an inferno but i'd be curious for your thoughts on that yeah well i mean in in brave new world uh you know you have the one dissident who doesn't want to but the the enforcement you know is is is almost through democratic measures uh and not through things you would normally think as repressive like the
Speaker 2torture and imprisonment and execution. But everybody gets their little doses of Soma, the drug. Everybody gets their propagandization. But in some senses, the Brave New World is more frightening because people, they don't have any more choice really than in the 1984 one. but they think they do. And as a result, they enforce the repression against themselves and their fellow man.
Speaker 2Whereas, you know, in the Soviet sense, if you were a dissident caught up in the NKVD or a German or some other disfavored minority, say a Pole or a Latvian during the Great Terror, right? There's a clear enemy, ani, them. But we all know who Ani was. Everybody knew who Ani was. Everybody knew who the NKVD was. Everybody knew that Belsky was neither Russian nor Latvian, right?
Speaker 2That Lepetsky was neither Russian nor Latvian, right? But with the Brave New World thing, it's more dispersed, right? The people behind it are harder to see because the enforcement mechanism isn't... you know, some checkered thugs with guns coming to your door, right? But you can clearly differentiate yourself from them as they load you onto the, into the , and then later the cattle car, right?
Speaker 2But in the Brave New World thing, right, it's enforced by your neighbors, by your peers, right? So the tyranny of the majority, Ultimately, the only escape in that one, as opposed to you can have a decent, you can have a dignified in fighting against the repressive regime. We finally can make them kill you. But the only way out of the brave new world is to kill yourself, which is a much more serious endeavor.
Ian MalcolmYeah, it's so well stated and, and, uh, for anybody that, that, um, has not read either of those books, I could not more heavily recommend them. And, uh, for those that, that might think that that's a daunting task, perhaps you haven't picked up a book in a long time. And I know there's a lot of people where that is the case.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm not saying that with any, uh, condescension, but, but in the world that we live in, where everything is so fast paced, it can take a lot of time and luxury to be able to sit down with a book, whether you've got. your academics, you've got a job, you've got your children, you've got your responsibilities, right?
Ian MalcolmTry to carve out the time, even if it's via an audio book, do it at the gym, do it while you're walking through the park, whenever you can. Just listen through the first book within 1984. It's eight chapters. It sets up the world. And that's the most striking piece about it. If you want the rest of the fiction, you can read the second and the third acts, which basically
Ian Malcolmgo on the journey with the primary character, this guy Winston. But the most important piece is just understanding the world that Orwell sets up and then contrasting it with the one that we live in. I'll put up into the purple pill, I did a set of spaces where we walked through chapter by chapter by chapter that first piece and whether it's the idea of the telescreen or of Big Brother or of the Two Minutes of Hate or any of the other pieces,
Ian Malcolmthat are in that literary work designed to capture your mind and oppressively force you to fit into the machine. It could not more uncomfortably describe the world that we live in, and the same parallels can be made with Brave New World. And these things talk about not just technological totalitarianism, but also the onslaught of chemicals to basically neuter your rejection of these systems.
Ian Malcolmwhich at the end of the day, and I truly believe that what we're living through is just the latest iteration of the same machine that wants to de-root and to basically take away from your connection to a higher power, right? And Dr. Powell was even talking previously about how they wanted to get rid of Christianity and the churches all throughout Russia, because if you believe in a higher power, then you're willing to say no and to reject a system that unfortunately runs the risk of
Ian Malcolmof your own well-being, of your livelihood, right? If you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a creator, if you don't care about your family, you're never going to stand up to something that might offer a better future, not necessarily for yourself, but for someone else, right? And that's what, unfortunately, nobody's willing to do in a system that's completely derooted from a creator.
Ian MalcolmSo that book is very, very critical, I think, for everybody's... understanding of the world that we see it today. I apologize for the little rant there, but I really do feel impassioned about that piece. And with that, let's go. I think it's either Liam or Patriot up next.
@joann_mariePatriot, go ahead.
Speaker 8Hey, guys. Good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever you are. Great space. Ian, as always, future... POTUS, you know, president of the free world. Yeah, so if I could just make just a comment of how I see, you know, Germany of when it was in its heyday. I like to think of this analogy as like the modern diesel engine, you know what I mean?
Speaker 8Like you've got the 12 valve Cummins, right? It was a free flowing, free thinking, free breathing engine without any restrictions, without any I guess let's say barriers. And then you have the engines of 2025. They've got EGR, DPF, DOC, SCR, right? They've got all these things that really neuter the engine. And being a diesel kind of enthusiast myself, which is also very near and dear to my heart, but I kind of see the parallels that we're seeing with Germany, which I want to say, you know,
Speaker 8um, German engine, like German civilization, I want to say it was in, in the modern, modern times is probably the greatest, uh, you know, civilization that, uh, that humans have produced. Um, I don't know, that might be a stretch, but I just, um, everything that Germans have done, like it's been, it's been the top of human, uh,
Speaker 8Production, let's just say. But yeah, just a comment there. And Mr. Jonathan Otto, great to have you here. You know, you're very knowledgeable. Yeah, like I have a question about Russia or maybe two or three. But obviously, you know, the assassination of the family of Nicholas II, right? That was... In my opinion, that was the end of an era, I guess, based Russia.
Speaker 8That was literally the end of the Russian Empire. But in... So basically, to add to that, right? So we have that, right? We have the family, the royals, I guess, the Russian royals, right? So we had them... murdered, right, in cold blood. But Russia still, to this day, it managed to be kind of, they avoided the immigration that the rest of Europe has been, like, invaded with, right?
Speaker 8Like, if I can just get your thoughts on that and also kind of, I know birth rates in other European nations are are dropping, right? So if you could maybe also kind of give your thoughts on that and yeah, great space guys. Thanks.
Speaker 2What was the question in real concise?
Speaker 8Yeah. So you know how like all other European countries today, they're, they're being invaded by the, by the third world, but Russia is like, from what I see, it's not. Yeah.
Speaker 2That's not exactly true. In the case of both France and Great Britain in particular, most of the immigrants from outside of Europe are coming from their former colonies. You get a lot of Algerians, Senegalese in France. You get a lot of Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis in Great Britain. In Russia, you have a huge number of
Speaker 2people from the Asian republics of the Soviet Union that are now independent that have come to the Russian Federation to work. So you have a lot of Kyrgyz, a lot of Tajiks, a lot of Uzbeks, a lot of Kazakhs. And so one of the things that happens in migration patterns is that there are structural continuities. And one of them that greatly persists is
Speaker 2language so all of the people in central asia in addition to learning their own language under the soviets so uh also learned russian so if you were in uzbek you spoke uzbek and russian if you're a kazakh you spoke kazakh and russian if you're a kirghiz you spoke kirghiz and russia all right that makes it easier to go live and work in the russian federation after the separation same thing with the former colonies so if you're
Speaker 2If you're Senegalese, right, you're going to and you want to go to Europe, your first choice is going to be France, not Great Britain, because you speak French. If you're from Pakistan, right, you speak English because the former part of British India, you go to Great Britain. So the reason it kind of gets hidden, right, is one is because these are people from other Soviet republics.
Speaker 2But racially, obviously, they're not European. as much as they have been exposed to russian culture through the soviet bloc right uh you can obviously tell uh the difference just upon sight so um i think there's there's always been this weird thing and edward saeed may have been the the person that popularized it the most um is that
Speaker 2colonialism is only colonialism if there's a body of water between the ruling power and the non-ruling power, which would mean there was no such thing as the Roman Empire or an Austrian Empire or a Russian Empire, right? Because they're all contiguous. But that's actually not true. There's no more racial similarity between an ethnic Russian and an ethnic Kyrgyz than there is between
Speaker 2an ethnic Malay and an ethnic Englishman. One is European and one is Asian. And it's quite clear just by looking. So I think this kind of covers this weird academic fetishization of the overseas colonialism versus continental empires. And part of it was, I think, deliberately to cover up the fact that the Soviet Union was an empire.
Speaker 2This is why you get, after the end of the Soviet Union, books with names like The Affirmative Action Empire, where Terry Martin talks about how they inverted the Russian Empire to give everybody, except Russians, privileges and benefits on the basis of their culture. The last time I was in Moscow was 2019. And there were a very large number of non-Europeans.
Speaker 2They're mostly from Central Asia. They spoke Russian, but they dominated things like the lavayas, the cafeterias. They have a thing called 99-ruble coffee, right? And all the workers there are pretty much Kyrgyz. 99 rubles at that time was like a dollar, so much cheaper than American coffee.
Speaker 2If you look at the number of Central Asians and people from the Caucasus, Azerbaijan in particular, in the Russian Federation, they're not that far behind a lot of European countries as far as taking in non-white immigrants.
Speaker 8I appreciate that, Jonathan. And just as a follow-up and just to end off, how would you say you compare the J infiltration with, let's say, in America in contrast to Russia? Thanks.
Speaker 2Today?
Speaker 8Yes.
Speaker 2Well, in Russia, dominated by the Lubavitchers, Kabad, and you see them in places in Moscow. Where I saw a lot of them, strangely enough, was the chinatown of moscow and while there are lots of chinese tourists in moscow their chinatown is pretty weak when you compare it to san francisco or new york it's probably better than washington dc's which was not very good at all but at any rate um so that is kind of the focus there for the jewish power in russia the lubavitcher kabad who are ascetic
Speaker 2Whereas in the United States, it's largely the kind of secular left-wing Zionists who have been associated with things like the 1965 Immigration Act, Hart-Seller, things like the 1964 Civil Rights Act. So strangely enough, the Jewish power is openly much more Jewish in terms of jewish religion and jewish customs to the point of dressing uh very differently uh than in the united states but i think this allows the the russian government to limit their power in a way that the u.s government hasn't been able to do since the johnson administration godspeed folks and great space thanks
@joann_marieAmazing. Thank you so much, Patriot. And yeah, guys, please repost this space. Hello, Ian and Dr. Otto Pau. And we have Truth Teller here. Hey, Truth, go ahead. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 9Yeah. Hey, guys. Thanks for hosting the space. Thanks to you and Joanne. And thanks for being here, Dr. Giotto. I'm going to go back and listen to the space again because I was multitasking and I want to take in all those details you mentioned. I was learning something new when guys like you speak. A bit of a follow-up to the other question, your thoughts.
Speaker 9So a simple thought experiment, I think, would clarify that this concept, this notion of, you know, the other individual called the Third World Invasion. So we look at the UK, we look at France. Well, how many colonies have they had historically? How many colonies do they still have, the UK, through the Commonwealth? France, through its network of, well, French colonies.
Speaker 9in Africa still to this day, like Ivory Coast and Cameroon, Senegal, et cetera. And then after World War II, they actually brought in these foreigners, these third-worlders, as the individual refers to them as, to repair the country after it had been destroyed from war. So then how does it look when you bring in these people to come work, rebuild, and then you're going to just tell them to leave?
Speaker 9Algerians too, by the way. They actually didn't really tell them to leave. Some of them integrated, some of them actually did go back. So just the historical context matters. And then the question arises, how many colonies did Russia have? I mean, once the USSR broke up, as we know, the Soviet satellite states gained independence.
Speaker 9States that hadn't even existed before, like Ukraine, for instance. You've mentioned Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, et cetera. And then there are some that are semi-autonomous, like Chechnya or Dagestan. They're kind of just left alone to their own devices, still integrated within the state. but they maintain their own culture, but speak the Russian language, and they serve on the front lines in this current proxy war in Ukraine.
Speaker 9So would you say then that there would be a correlation between this deviant notion of multiculturalism that's infected these European countries, and as a result of the colonizations that these respective Jewish entities that control the monetary policy, of course, and the governments of those countries that pushed for colonization in the first place,
Speaker 9what we see today first is say how russia ran things where outside of what happened in the ussr is obviously horrific they were doing invasions but then you know once they broke up now those satellite states are independent and they don't really face the same level of you know multiculturalism issues because though they do have multiple ethnicities you already mentioned them uzbeks turks uh chechens etc they go back centuries they're pretty well integrated
Speaker 9really have those same problems even though they are actually expect accepting applications from foreigners including americans that actually move to russia assimilate and work in russia free and clear and not have to worry about the degeneracy that's pushed on to westerners in places like the us such as of course you know homosexuality gay marriage lgbtq and the prevalence of pedophilia caused by you know the jewish occupation in america well
Speaker 2obviously there are differences but uh one of the things i think that underlining what you're saying is that uh because they're you look at the the the way the soviets ran the the soviet union as far as uh nationality policy i a lot of it is based upon they couldn't say it uh until much later, the work of Shirakha Ghorov, who was the founder of ethno theory.
Speaker 2But his work became kind of accepted for policy as early as 1923 with the 12th Party Congress and . And basically, this was a concession and recognition by the Soviet government under Lenin and continued under Stalin and after that ethno-racial groups did have real differences and real existence. And this is very different than what you have in the basis of the West, where everything is based on Boas, where it's all constructed.
Speaker 2There is no biological reality to any of it, right? So as a result of this more realistic, viewpoint the soviet union the russian federation in many ways is better at managing inter-ethnic relations than the west has because they recognize that in fact they're not dealing with superficial differences that there are in fact you're not going to ever make and you never could right so everybody had soviet citizenship but your national most right
Speaker 2was determined by who your parents were. So you're never going to make an ethnic Korean into an ethnic Russian. You're never going to make a Tajik into a Russian or a Uzbek into a Russian. So they may all be Soviet, but they have a different ethno-racial existence of their own. Whereas in the US, the idea was, well, The only difference is the color of the skin.
Speaker 2There is no deeper or fundamental difference. And I think that made it possible for what we see now, right? The government of Moscow under Putin is under no illusion that workers coming from Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan are ever going to become Russians, right? Whereas we hear all the time that America is just a propositional nation, right?
Speaker 2But nobody in Russia would deny that there exists a Russian nation that is distinct from the Kyrgyz nation. And it doesn't matter how many Kyrgyz work in Moscow. That's not going to change. There's still going to be separate groups.
Speaker 9I would just delineate between Russia and the West that we've done a better job at avoiding and making illegal degeneracy, making LGBTQ illegal. There's no gay pride parades. Homos and trans people cannot adopt at all. So in addition, of course, pushing for religion, you know, you have, of course, Orthodox Christianity being the state religion that's been, you know, reestablished, which is a good thing.
Speaker 9So they push towards traditional values, whereas in the West, you don't have that because the Jews are actually in charge. Well, they're the same Jews, but these Jews in Russia are limited with what they can, their influence is limited. And if they fuck around, they find out, they get kicked out.
Speaker 2You're absolutely right. I mentioned that the influence is much more limited than in the US. I'm getting out of my expertise here because in reality, I pretty much stopped learning about anything past the 80s. I would agree with you on that basic point. that interethnic relations in Russia are better managed than they are in the U.S. and Europe, and that they do a better job of controlling troublesome minorities as far as limiting their power.
Speaker 9You limit Jewish power, you don't have as many issues with multiculturalism. It's a simple correlation.
Ian MalcolmThank you. And hey, Truth, I'd be curious for your thoughts on this one, because Dr. Powell made a very interesting comment about how under the Bolsheviks, that the communist regime was almost anti-ethnic Russian, not only, of course, in the mass murder of not only the Tsar, but his entire family, but that a lot of the policies were not just pro-Jew and kind of anti-Russian, but also pro-Georgian, and obviously that goes into Stalin, and that it was essentially this hodgepodge of diversity against the ethnic Russian people, which...
Ian Malcolmkind of rings true to what we see in the West right now, where you've got this obvious Jewish over-representation, over-influence in the political machine and all these other apparatuses that seem to have weaponized diversity against largely the white Christian West. I'd be kind of curious for your thoughts, because it was a point he made that I thought was very interesting, and I didn't know that necessarily about the Bolsheviks as deep as he talked about it here.
Speaker 9Yeah, it's a good point. And look, not only were they seeking to undermine Russian culture, religion by destroying the churches, 49,000 of them, in addition to their museums and their other landmarks. They're also pushing for the nationalization of some of the satellites, such as Ukraine, long before 1991. For instance, it was Lenin that gave away the southern part of Ukraine.
Speaker 9Otherwise, there's never been a Ukraine. Kyiv's an old city, of course. He gave away the south. Sorry, the eastern part. And then you had the western part, sorry. Let's see, Stalin gave away the West, Lenin gave away the East, and then you have, of course, that Khrushchev that gave away Crimea. Gradually redistributing land and also pushing for a sense of national identity within each of these entities because they were preparing for the ultimate Balkanization of the state.
Speaker 9They weren't looking to maintain the USSR. It was a slow and incremental process of Balkanization. as they reaped all the wealth of the country and led it towards bankruptcy, which is exactly what they're doing to the U.S. as well, by the way. I think at some point they will seek to try to break up the U.S. once they've bankrupted it.
Speaker 9But of course, they're not going to disclose these plans. But that's their most effective way of being able to control a state is to keep it divided and even create demarcations and new borders for some states and push towards the independence that they would then control. by assigning, you know, stooge dictators in place to be able to do this.
Speaker 9Exactly what they did to the USSR. And then their next plan with Russia is, of course, to try to, you know, well, they've been trying to, of course, the last couple of years to destroy it from within through wars, you know, the Chechen uprisings, the Georgia invasions, and now this proxy war in Ukraine because they want to break it up into 200 parts, which they've disclosed, actually, so this way they can steal its resources.
Speaker 9With America, they've already been stealing the resources. They just want to take it further and digitize it. by tokenizing the assets. And I think, again, breaking it up and keeping it divided as it has been. You think there's a liberal side, there's a conservative side, and then there's unfortunately a majority who are just apathetic and not really involved in the process at all.
Speaker 9They're just completely disenfranchised. But yeah, that's a relevant point. They didn't just go about seeking to push their degeneracy and their atheism, which of course they did, while preserving... you know, the synagogues and carving out the Jewish oblast and instituting the anti-Semitism law. It's also about destroying the culture from within its sense of self-identity.
Speaker 9And you know that when you meet Russians that are, say, in their 40s, 50s, 60s, whatnot, most of them will not really be religious. Some of them have rediscovered religion, which is a good thing. And they don't really like to talk about too much of their culture, et cetera, especially if they've left. Ones that are there, they're rediscovering it.
Speaker 9And that was the whole point. destroying the country from within, because then you can destroy the self-identity of what every Russian held before 1917, where you had a much more united country and a powerful country and a solid economy, a top five economy that was thriving. And the Jews couldn't have that because they didn't have a Rothschild Bank there.
Speaker 9They didn't have it divided. They didn't have the degeneracy. And so that's why they strived there. They, of course, killed the... Well, Alexander II, because he liberated the serfs and did kill Nicholas II because he had one of the most sophisticated labor systems. They're not even serfs, really. His citizens, he treated them like equals.
Speaker 9You can't have that. They don't like people being treated well. They want people treated like slaves. I'll leave it there.
Ian MalcolmIt's funny because, truth, earlier we were talking about 1984, Brave New World, and
Ian Malcolmreminds me of the animal farm quote from Orwell about all animals are the same except for some which are different than others. And it's just, it's so wild how these things seem to just play over and over and over again on repeat and couldn't be more humbled to have these two here between Dr. Powell and Truth Teller. I feel like anybody who...
Ian MalcolmOnce the question, perhaps the Jewish Bolshevik angle or some of this history that's been obscured, I kind of would pity anybody that would try and step in and discount the worldview that you presented.
Speaker 9I would say, though, just look at the actions. Why would they institute an anti-Semitism law if it wasn't Jews on top and then enforce it with the death penalty? Why would they carve out a Jewish oblast? Why don't they call it the communist oblast? They call it a Jewish oblast. Why do they go out systematically destroying Christianity and also displacing Muslims, too, by the way?
Speaker 9hundreds of thousands of them, and also killing them too. And they enslaved mainly Orthodox Christians in the gulags, over 18 million of them. They imposed slave labor on them. They destroyed the country. And while elevating the status of Jews, and I think Dr. Otto already mentioned that had it not been for the USSR's efforts, Israel would not have been established because Stalin had the deciding vote and he convinced five Eastern European countries to vote for the partition plan.
Speaker 9And he was one of the biggest supporters of the Zionist Jewish state. He was even smuggling weapons. He stole the German weapons after World War II and gave it away to the Jews in the 1940s so they could kill Palestinians with it. So that's where these people are. They were working together the whole time. And they had this new notion of let's do a supposed Cold War.
Speaker 9Jews will be orchestrating it, of course. They'll still trade secrets and compete, and then they can use that as an excuse to go to war. America will tell citizens it's to curb the stop, you know, to stop the spread of communism. And of course, the U.S. is probably like, yes, we want to liberate these countries from, you know, the enslavement system of capitalism.
Speaker 9It's a great play when you look at it, right? And a lot of people fell for this nonsense. Or they didn't even have a choice and they saw through it. So either way, you know, the state ruled in both entities. That's the important part. Whether you think you're under the guise of freedom and capitalism, under the capitalist system, that's a bunch of crap.
Speaker 9Still Jews on top. Of course, within the USSR, they just enforce it more so. So you think you have this freedom of speech until you criticize the Jews.
Ian MalcolmAnd it was interesting truth. One other comment that Dr. Proud made that I thought was fascinating was this idea that at the end of the day, there was no religion that was actually bonding these people together. There seemed to be no there was actually the antithesis of that. but rather that it seems like an ethno-racial group is what he called it.
Ian MalcolmI'd be curious for your thoughts on that as a concept.
Speaker 9Well, they pushed atheism because when you don't believe in a God and a higher power, whether it's one of the Abrahamic faiths or something, then you'll fall for anything. So they need to first numb your mind, dumb it down, so this way you'll be open-minded and impressionable towards another belief system. Because if you remain devout and committed to your religious faith,
Speaker 9You're going to be opposed to all of these new policies they want to impose, such as with degeneracy, with usury, all the things that are opposed by the Christian church and also Islam as well. So how could they have that? They had to push the alternative lifestyle that was counterintuitive to religious faith and submission to God.
Speaker 9You can't have both. And they understood that. That's why the Jews... being as duplicitous and shapeshifters as they are, where it could pull off claiming atheism, but in fact preserving their own religion and practicing their Kabbalistic beliefs supposedly covertly, out of the open too, while pushing their atheism, degeneracy, and their liberal beliefs on others, both in the U.S., in the Western states, and also in the USSR.
Ian MalcolmAnd it was fascinating. Truth is, the final comment there, and curious for your thoughts on this one, then we'll go down to Web 3 and then over to Donna for some questions. But he also talked about the bureaus that at the highest level, the bulletin, was 40 to 60 percent ethnically Jewish, at the highest level of essentially power and authority, and that of those that were not ethnically Jewish, that...
Ian MalcolmHe didn't necessarily say a large majority and actually said he wasn't sure the exact numbers, but that many of them were then married into, which would make me very curious as to what the percentage of the highest level of that bulletin and its leadership were that were either ethnically Jewish and or those that weren't were married to Jews.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'd be curious if that's not just 40 to 60 percent, perhaps, but maybe 50, 60, 75, 80 percent, whatever it may be.
Speaker 9For those of the commissars in charge, yeah. If you count all ethnically Jewish, I'm also counting, say, the half-Jews, one parent Jew. Lenin, for instance, was a quarter Jew through his grandfather. But Trotsky was a full-on Jew. And some just lied. So it's really hard to ascertain because Soviet files are tainted. They try to hide the religious identities of these Jews.
Speaker 9And, of course, they changed their name. Stalin was a notorious one. Yakov Georgievich, really, was his real name. He changed it to Joseph Stalin. Same with Joseph Lenin. His real name was Ulyanov, his last name. Even Trotsky, he was left Bronstein. So how can you have accurate information where they've gone out of their way to cover up who these people really are?
Speaker 9And if you look at where Stalin was born in South Ossetia, they had a very big Jewish population there in Georgia. So I absolutely believe he was Jewish. I mean, he surrounded himself with Jews. And he answered to a Jew in Maxim Libanov, his paymaster. But when you're surrounding yourself with Yegoda, Yeshov... Beria, you mentioned Kaganovich as well.
Speaker 9Naftali Frankl was one of his favorite gulag administrators. These were all Jews. So, and then, yeah, as we mentioned before, if you're going to rise up the ranks as a non-Jew, you have to marry a Jew. So this way, you know, the kids will be raised Jewish and that's where all the wealth that you accumulate will go. So they have that part figured out.
Speaker 9If the goy wants to elevate in status, he has to marry a Jew and ideally convert or allow for his kids to be raised Jewish.
Ian MalcolmIt sounds crazy, and Dr. Powell, obviously... It's the same thing here. Well, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, we could look at the Clintons and the Bidens and the Trumps and on and on and on.
Speaker 9It's the same pattern. Jamie Dimon, Jess Daly, both married to Jews. J.P. Morgan, banker. He's a billionaire. And then Keir Starmer, we thought, was not Jewish. Turns out he is anyway, but his wife, too. So it's just so consistent.
Ian MalcolmNo, it is. And it's so... It's so wild when Dr. Powell talked about that idea of an ethno-racial group, I just found it to be a fascinating comment. And it does, it looks like exactly what we have today. And a lot of the most powerful, prominent people from that community, Blinken being an obvious example, you know, these are people that would say that they're atheists.
Ian MalcolmThey're not Jewish. They have no religious views. Just happened to come from this small little clique. What a... What a weird connection and overlap we find ourselves in. But again, just so humbled to have the two of you guys up here in unison. I feel like this is the all-star duo between the two of you guys. I feel like there's no piece of both past or present Russian history that would slip by the goalkeepers with the two of you guys here.
Ian MalcolmSo really excited. And with that, let's go to Web 3, and then we'll go to Donna for some questions, either for Dr. Powell and or for Mr. Truth Tellers. We have him up here.
Speaker 10Yeah, thanks for bringing me on. I wanted to ask, because we could establish that Hitler genuinely hated the Jews. So I've always thought about it. Could also one of the reasons why Hitler invaded Germany, because I think he purely did it out of genuine hate. And he also said that these people are less than us. They are less humans than us.
Speaker 10Could it be like he invaded Russia?
@joann_marieHitler didn't say that.
Speaker 10Hitler didn't say that.
Speaker 9Hitler's doctor and his driver were Jewish. He had 150,000 Jews in his army. 12 of them were generals, by the way. That might have been 16. Jewish businesses, the ones that were willing to conform and abide by the laws of the land, thrived under National Socialism. They did very well because people had more money to spend because now they weren't strapped with debt.
Speaker 9And they weren't homeless anymore. So he also had Muslim armies, Indian armies. He had an ethnically diverse army, in fact. So he incorporated those that had come in later, even despite the law that he'd imposed, to kick out anyone who'd come after, I think it was like 1914, I think it was, whatever the year was. I don't remember the exact year.
Speaker 9But we didn't operate as a racist. He was not some white nationalist. He was a nationalist, a national socialist, of course. But he operated in the interest of all the people of his country. And that's why they were united behind him. And that's why they did as well as they did, despite the circumstances of having to deal with, well, three equivalent superpowers that he almost beat.
Speaker 9And they had to, again, he was nice to them. He didn't even use any of his chemical weapons. He had a massive stockpile. Imagine if he'd used his chemical weapons like the U.S. did against Japan. He could have wiped out the Americans in Dresden. He didn't do that. He was merciful. He also avoided going to war against the U.K. and France.
Speaker 10What about... Sorry to cut you off, because what about Wall Street? You talked about him not using chemical.
Ian MalcolmOh, man. Sorry, what about what? What did you say? I didn't understand. Yeah, I think what we'll allow Web3, and I say this just because there's certainly a whole lot of people that would love to get a lot of the speakers that are up on this panel removed from X for views on all kinds of things, because we're talking about history that irrefutably, I think we could back up.
Ian Malcolmbut nonetheless is very sensitive for certain people that maybe don't want this being discussed. And so I'd prefer if you just avoid the Holocaust altogether and rather find a different question. Was that what he said? He was referring to the Holocaust. Sorry, I didn't understand him because it was thick.
Speaker 11I think that's where he was trying to go, yeah. Okay, okay.
Speaker 9I didn't understand either. They see them as subhuman and call them ethnic. Actually... It was the Jews that called the Russians, for instance, ethnic trash. That's how Karl Marx described them. So it's the Jews that look down on all Gentiles and see them as, well, human waste, garbage, and subhuman. So if you want to look at who's dehumanizing who, it's the Jews dehumanizing others, especially blacks, by the way.
Speaker 9I think you are black. Israelis, for instance, Paul Black's cancer. And the chief IDF rabbi calls you guys monkeys. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 10Okay, okay, no, I don't want to debate that right now. I wanted to ask a question.
Speaker 9You agree that you say that? No, no. You agree that you have a predisposition towards bananas?
Speaker 10No, no, no. I want to ask a question, but another question totally. I don't want to divert my attention. So basically, what you are just trying to say now is that there was no type of, because my question was going to relate to, Maybe one of the motivating factors for why Hitler... Hey, I have a question.
Speaker 9Do you remember the 1936 Olympics in Munich? How did Hitler treat the black American athletes like Jesse Johnson? Didn't he shake his head and congratulate him when he won a Nobel?
Speaker 10Yeah, he said he was treated very well. That's not all he said.
Speaker 9He said he was treated better in Germany than he was in America, didn't he?
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 9Well, is that the sign of a racist person who treats...
Speaker 3foreign black athletes.
Speaker 9You didn't even let me ask my question. He sees others as less human when he shakes the hand of a black athlete and wishes him well and congratulates him.
Speaker 10Like, you didn't even let me ask my question.
Speaker 9Let me just ask my question. You didn't answer my question, though, and you won't because you're unfortunately completely brainwashed by the Jews and you're their bioweapon and you just came here to derail the space. Why don't you just admit it?
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 9Are you a black human or Israelite seeking reparations from the white man?
Speaker 3Just chill out. Good. Just chill out. Let's him ask his question. You didn't even let me ask my question.
Ian MalcolmI'm going to give you a whole 60 seconds, unabridged. We'll let you throw out your question. Please keep it within the confines of the discussion that we're trying to have here. And please keep it productive.
Speaker 10Yeah. Yeah. So I was basically going through hacks. that could one of the motivating factors on why it like invaded the invaded russia was because the bolsheviks were part of the people that led the revolution the russian revolution and automatically the obeying the um government so maybe he was just trying to get back to them and again since he already said since um is it truth that was talking through this something um okay truth since he already said that hitler never hated the jews
Speaker 10and he loved them, he cared for them. So it already destroyed the basis of my questions. Hey, do me a favor.
Speaker 1Hang on a second. Can you say ask? Say ask. Hang on, hang on.
Ian MalcolmAll right, let's try to keep this highbrow. Web3, I think your question was around why Hitler invaded Russia, which perhaps I think the more important thing to start with is what the offset of the war actually was. I would be curious, Sobat3ez, your thought is that in spite of no prior conflict, no prior wrongdoings on either party, that Germany invaded Russia and that's what started World War II.
Ian MalcolmIs that, that's the suggestion here?
Speaker 10Yeah, no, like I'm saying, like one of these, one of the motivating factors.
Speaker 9I thought it was the invasion of Poland, which actually the USSR did after World War I. And wasn't it also Polish Jews? They killed 60,000 Germans at the Bromberg massacre.
Speaker 3Yeah, but Germany also invaded Poland.
Speaker 9And by the way, there was a non-aggression pact. Germany was the first person to invade Poland. So there was a non-aggression pact that was abided by until 1941. And then the Germans found out that the Soviets, through their spies, they found out that the Soviets were going to invade Western Europe. And they were going to invade Germany.
Speaker 9Operation Gorza, actually. So this is before they launched Operation Barbarossa months in advance. So they knew about this. So if they had not taken preemptive action, they would have been on the receiving end of a Judeo-Bolshevik invasion. They had no choice.
Speaker 1Truth teller, explain to this idiot why the Germans went to Poland and what happened to Germans in Poland at that time, why they even went into Poland.
Speaker 9Yeah, I was just, I already referenced the Bromberg massacre. And that was just one day where 5,500 Germans were killed, but over 60... Wait, just a second.
@joann_marieSir, please, he's answering your question.
Speaker 9Yeah, we was kings. One sec. So if you look at the Bromberg massacre and how many Germans were killed by Polish Jews, they were deliberately seeking to provoke Germany into war. And also, if you want to look at the start of the war, you have to look at 1933 when Judea declared war on Germany and also organized an international boycott against Germany.
Speaker 9So they were the ones on the offensive. The Germans for six years avoided a war against any of the Jews and tried to treat them as well as possible. Hitler's issues with communist Jews, he always said this. The ones that didn't want to abide by the land. The ones that didn't believe in really any type of religion and just wanted to push their degeneracy.
Speaker 9They wanted to manage their brothels. They wanted to be Shylocks and push usury. So yeah, Hitler, of course, he was against those and he arrested the Rothschilds, seized their assets, and reignited the German economy. then eliminated homelessness and don't forget this was during the great depression era when there were millions of germans who were homeless and poor and they had this they have 31 unemployment and they were paying off this this perpetual debt of 6.6 billion and that's why the bank of international settlements was established in the first place to collect reparations from germany for a war war in world war one they didn't even start but once the prussian republic was destroyed
Speaker 9You know, the Weimar Republic was established by a bunch of Soviet communist Jews in Germany that just went about destroying the economy, causing hyperinflation, mass unemployment and spreading the degeneracy filth and pushing the usury. That's what Hitler was opposed to. If you want to understand natural socialism, here's a book.
Speaker 9I'm not sure if you can read because they say blacks have low literacy rates. Maybe you can get someone to read it to you or there's an audio book. But check out Dr. Godfrey Federer's 25.9.
Speaker 3What's the reason why you're doing this?
Speaker 10You genuinely believe that Germany didn't persecute the Jews at all. Do you know how stupid you have to be?
Ian MalcolmI'm sorry about that. So we're going to do a couple things. And here's the reason that I'm suggesting this. Number one, I do not believe this is in good faith, in the least. I think this is either a troll or this is intentionally a provocateur that is just trying to get a ruse out of people to get them to suggest things that, again, might get them kicked off of this platform.
Ian MalcolmAnd if anybody thinks that that sounds hyperbolic, I would just beg the question why he kept coming back to that one subject. And you noted that he did it not just once, not just twice, but three or four times. which is probably by design, and I don't think we're going to get anywhere with that.
Speaker 1He almost turned me into a troll on your space, bro.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's all good.
Speaker 1Garmini, Garmini, ask you something. Learn how, my God. Anyways, I'm going to shut up, sorry.
Ian MalcolmNo, you guys are great. But back to trying getting the train back on the tracks and back out of the station, and appreciative that we have Dr. Powell here and Mr. Truthteller. Let's go to Donna and see if she... And then Mr. Game of Thrones and Jay didn't have some questions for either Dr. Powell and or truth teller.
Speaker 12OK, whoever can answer this. Thank you, Dr. Powell or truth teller. It's my understanding that during the czarist Russia, they kept track of the Jews by paternal lineage, not maternal lineage. And then. I was looking into the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, whatever you call its name. There's only 153,000 people there. And for every 100 that work, there's 128 that don't work.
Speaker 12And the land passes add to 4.3 kilometers per person. It's like practically fucking empty. russians do keep track of where the jews are and they uh they all live like in a concentrated area in a part of saint petersburg so it's like uh they still do the same thing even when they have their own like oblast that they could go to they still pack into like concentrated areas in the united states what do you think that is well i i
Speaker 12Because they do their nasties planning, you know, amongst each other. They don't want strangers around. What they did to the United States, though, is... Now, I grew up in a town where one neighborhood was German. One was Italian. One was Black. One was, like, you know, Irish, German, Polish. You know what I mean? Another one was all Polish.
Speaker 12And we would go to each other's festivals, okay? Where we'd have ethnic cooking. and different things like that. Well, what they did since I grew up was they've gentrified just about every cultural neighborhood I know in my city, I'm guessing in the country, because other than maybe the new imported immigrants that are closely tied to their heritage are the only ones that seem to have celebrations.
Speaker 12so um i guess the first question is the one that i i really wanted answered and then if you have any comments on the rest of what i had to say thank you if it was you saying fraternal or maternal that's my knowledge they kept track of their lineages but go ahead the jewish
Speaker 2John was established in 1934. And it did get some people about 75,000 Jews moved there. And then a lot left later. So now there's not very many. But it wasn't the only Jewish autonomous territory. There were Jewish autonomous way out. And there was one in Crimea called Frydor. And there was one in Ukraine. But. As I explained, a lot of the Jewish population of the Soviet Union did not want to have their upward political and economic mobility limited to Jewish autonomous areas that were based upon the Yiddish language.
Speaker 2They instead wanted to be in the central Soviet apparatus or in larger republics like Ukraine or Belarus. so they rejected uh and this is why one of the reasons why the language uh shifted the use of yiddish in favor of russian so many many of them as soon as they could when the uh pale settlement was abolished moved to places like moscow or saint peter which was leningrad for a long time because those were the centers of economic political and cultural power
Speaker 2Uh, right, so if they had moved in, they would be. Like, essential Asian, uh, now, some of them like, uh, in Kazakhstan or. We're able to get into the central government, but. There was never a, for instance, a single full Politburo member from. Uh, the national notes or the national. All right. Uh, the reason you could get, uh.
Speaker 2Jewish overrepresentation in central government authorities was in part because they openly chose that against moving and having Jewish autonomous power in places like Birobidzhan. And Yuri Slezkin, the Jewish... He talks about this. There's another scholar who did it as well.
Speaker 13Well,
Speaker 14It's very bad, man. We can hardly hear you.
@joann_marieYou know what? I'm going to recycle him again. Dr. Otto, can I recycle you? Because your microphone sucks. It's really bad.
Ian MalcolmI think it's the browser, Dr. Powell.
Speaker 1The browser, right. Do you have a phone, Otto? Otto, do you have a phone that you can get on X or no?
Speaker 1Otto, do you have a phone or no? Yeah, anyways, well.
Speaker 12Well, that wasn't exactly what I was asking them. The fact that I could give more information because it's recent that I looked up the Jewish Oblast. They literally, like, as soon as they're old enough, they leave. That's why the ratio of people that don't work to people that work is like 50-50. And then they just dump their trash everywhere to the point where Russia now has to send in like, get this, they can't physically go in.
Speaker 12They send drones in and they talk about, it's called land waste or something.
Speaker 9Donna, they're having the same problem in Ukraine. These Jews trash the city of Yunam and then expect Ukrainians and, well, Christians to pick up after them because they're filthy animals.
Speaker 12But they're literally doing it like, and I told you that the area per population is 4.3 kilometers per person, okay? Literally, you could go and have 4.3 kilometers of space of your own and plant a garden and do whatever, you know, set up a workshop, you know, build a house, whatever, but they clump into four areas.
Speaker 9John, are you expecting these to work?
Speaker 12Now listen, they clump into four different areas and the rest of the country In the rest of the country, they're just dumping trash, okay and So the thing of it is is we keep hearing about now I know I'm not trying to start anything off the path off the beaten path, but we keep hearing about you know, Israel and you know
Speaker 12And here they're expanding, and they need a place to live. And, you know, well, that oblast borders China and Russia. So it could be a path for, like, a Silk Road. But they want it all. They want the oil and the Suez Canal, and they want control of all that business, right? So that's why, you know... They prefer to stay there and murder people for land in the Middle East.
Speaker 12But the Oblast is like, like I said, like I think as old as somebody gets old, as soon as somebody gets old enough, they move out. And that's why, like, if you go by the numbers, I guess it's like 75,000 people. They all moved there?
Speaker 12I'm just saying that the Oblast...
Speaker 9I know, it's the same deal with the Oblast. They didn't move there because then someone's got to manage and actually work there. They don't want to actually develop the land and build things. Jews are fucking lazy. They just know how to steal other people's property.
Speaker 12Okay, they're on the border with China.
Speaker 9I know, you said that, but what's the significance of that? Who gives a shit? They carved out an Oblast for themselves just because they wanted to steal some land, but they didn't actually want to live there and work there because they want to leech off the Gentiles. That's what they do everywhere.
Speaker 12Well, China... China wants to expand into Russia and use their land to plant soy. They're already trying.
Speaker 9China wants to expand into Russia now. That's a new one.
Speaker 12No, no, they are. Look it up. Anyways, but the question about, I did read that the Tsar, under the Tsar's rule, they kept track of the Jews by their paternal lineage. They did not accept maternal lineage. They kept it... track of the Jews by their paternal lineage, just like they did everybody else. I want to know how they...
Speaker 12Okay, now, I know that the Tsar was trying to, like, put Jewish on the passports, and then the U.S., like, fought them on that, okay? So it's like, how did they flip from paternal in Russia, where it was like... being historically documented by paternal i'm just asking how they flipped when they came here when they all fled and came here how they flipped it to oh it goes by my mother that's what i'm asking
Ian MalcolmYeah, and when Dr. Otto, if he gets back in, happy to have him take a crack at that and try and understand it. It's actually one of those things, look, I can understand that it's a religious suggestion, perhaps, or maybe it's the doctrine, but I find it to be a rather silly one when we try to talk about the heritage or ethnic aspects of it, right?
Speaker 12And I say that just... Well, that's how Israel counts it.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I don't necessarily... And that's the thing, I don't know why we would allow... uh, Israel or the, the Judaic faith necessarily to try and, and supersede the idea of, uh, of either genealogy or ethnicity. It seems rather bizarre, right?
Ian MalcolmBut it is kind of a curious little piece of history. And, uh, with that, let's go to, uh, go to Jaden and we'll see if we can get, uh, Dr. Otto back in here. I've been messaging with him in the background and he said he lost the sound as well. So we'll see if we can't get this fixed.
Speaker 15I just had a question.
Speaker 4I've never been on this group before and I was just really seeing what's the main focus on here.
Speaker 15Oh boy.
Ian MalcolmLet's go to Game of Thrones.
Speaker 15Greetings, guys. It's been a while since I talked to all of you collectively. I see a whole lot of faces that I'm connected with and a whole lot that I wish would follow me back. Ian and Truth and Donna and... Good God, Wolf, it's been a long time, brother, since I talked with you. I'm looking at this goofball, the little midget dancing, Oygavolt Zelensky, who it seems to me is trying to bring back the Khazarian homeland right there into, you know, Ukraine.
Speaker 15Seriously, it's like full bore. Let's knock out all the Orthodox churches. I mean, you know, that went under everybody's radar. Nobody talks about the onslaught of Zelensky's, you know, purge of Christianity that's going on right now in Ukraine. What the fuck? Nobody talks about this. And I wonder why. It's kind of a bothersome thing.
Speaker 15I don't mean, I'm sorry, to deviate from the title.
Ian MalcolmNo, this is completely intertwined, my friend, and it's wonderful to have you back in here.
Speaker 15have you back in here oh man it's good so good to hear your voice i'm just seriously i really you know i'm sitting here at 70 and i'm i'm looking at this generation you know the bot in schofield uh reference bible people to talk about the not so holy land is the holy land and i'm waking up everybody i can and i swear to god everybody i talk to to say look you sons of bitches you think it's godly to kill 200 300 000 people
Speaker 15in a little strip of land. And I hear all this shit about Hamas fighters. I never saw one fucking Hamas fighter. I never saw anybody in a tunnel except that they were doctors that were shoved in there, you know, by the IDF. Anyway, I digress. The bottom line is, guys, we have a lot of educating still to do. I think the tide is turning.
Speaker 15The younger generation is starting really to fucking wake up and see what's really going on over there. But the thing with Ukraine really baffles me, and I'm wondering why that's why Papa Trump, you know, stopped trying to, you know, seek peace with Putin. I really am wondering because, you know, is he suddenly pushing this Ukrainian agenda very quietly?
Speaker 15You know, does he want the shit to proliferate? It's an open-ended question. I really want to hear you guys' thoughts. God love you. I'll let you go for now. I'd like to sit up here and talk for a while with you or banter back and forth. But it's damn good to hear you guys once again. God bless you.
@joann_marieI'm really happy you're back, Game of Thrones. Yeah, he's doing Heavenly Jerusalem. I don't know if you saw, but they tried to do a false flag about a week ago. They tried to convince a pilot to steal a plane so that they can bomb... NATO-based, I think, in Romania. So, no, they are still trying to follow the war, and it's insane.
@joann_marieI don't know how... tiny coke demon from Ukraine is getting away with this. It's wild. And Dr. Otto is in, I think he's back. So maybe he can tell you more about it. He's awesome. Ian, thank you so much for hosting. I also need to leave soon because Truth opened his space and I need to go back him up. But it was an absolute pleasure co-hosting with you.
@joann_mariemy honor and everyone thank you so much for having me i learned so much and i love hearing the german perspective it's amazing and i'm going to listen to it again because it's it's wild i i loved it so much and yeah i just wanted to thank you all and also please repost it again guys so that more people can hear this because it's it's just a brilliant space and i cannot wait to hear all the next spaces that you're doing and i'm really happy you're doing more
Ian MalcolmYeah, we'll have a bunch born. I'm going to see. I know Dr. Otto was having some issues with the sound cutting out. We're going to see if we can't get him back in here one final time, if not primarily just to thank him for the space. But I would also really be curious if we do get another minute or two with him for his thoughts on what Game of Thrones just suggested, because to that comment on Zelensky and the war that has been raging that people aren't even talking about anymore.
Ian Malcolmbetween Russia and Ukraine. I don't think that has anything at this point to do with land grabs. I don't think it's economic. I think the United States and the West are basically supporting, and we even saw this recently where Trump said to Zelensky, not only should you keep fighting, but I think you can win back the land, right?
Ian MalcolmBasically advocating for additional aggression of Ukraine, which obviously is not only outmatched, but so much so that they're just sending those people to their death. And we have videos, countless videos, in fact, of the government rounding up not only able-bodied men, but individuals in their 50s, their 60s, arguably even older.
Ian MalcolmWe've seen stories of them being sent to the front line, being forced to pay out of pocket, out of their own pockets, for Kevlar and other basic essentials. What do you call something like that? If I go throughout... any Western nation grabbing people and saying that I'm forcing them to go die at the front lines unarmed and unprotected, that is genocide.
Ian MalcolmAnd so Game of Thrones, I'd be very curious to ask that question to Dr. Powell. He was suggesting earlier when discussing this topic that this is not a religion that we are discussing, that it is an ethno-racial group of people. Perhaps if that is the case, they do have an ethnic animosity towards the Russians and the Ukrainians.
Ian MalcolmAnd right now they have, let's say, ownership of and control of Ukraine, which we know the case because of Zelensky. Whether or not Putin is in on it, what we do know is that Ukraine is sending its people to die. There's no way around that. It's disgusting. And as he's doing that, obviously, Netanyahu is bombing his neighbors and mass murdering those people.
Ian MalcolmAnd so it does seem like... in my assertion anyway, I would suggest that it might be that there is an ethnic group of people that seem hell-bent on destroying and quote-unquote mongrelizing, according to the clergy plan, the Western nations with as much quote-unquote diversity as they can possibly absorb as quickly as they can possibly do it, thanks to people like Secretary Mayorkas, a Jew, while the media lambasts and mocks anybody and slurs them as anti-Semites and bigots and racists.
Ian MalcolmIf they object to that happening while the same group of people sends off the Ukrainian whites to their death, bombs the Palestinians in Gaza adjacent to Israel, ships Israeli Jews to recolonize Ukraine. This actually has been happening to resettle it, to bolster their numbers because their population is dwindling. Well, that sounds to me like the intentional genocide of white people with their ethnic replacement by Jews.
Ian MalcolmAnd so Game of Thrones, do you want to add anything to that?
Speaker 15I think what you're seeing is a resurrection of the ancient Khazarian sect, right? Number one, this whole idea of the promised land and the 12 tribes of Israel. Well, I'm going to tell you something, guys, if you don't know it already. The bad apple on that tree, the Canaanite tree, whatever the fuck you want to call it, of Israelites are the Khazarians.
Speaker 15There's no doubt in my fucking mind whatsoever that these bastards from Eastern Europe who came down after the Balfour Declaration made Israel a state. All right? Just created out of them. Took Palestine and turned it into the state of fucking Israel. And now you got a guy, Satan Yahu, who is nothing more than a pole. What is this business that he's a Semite?
Speaker 15The son of a bitch came from Poland. He's a Polish Jew, okay? Wake up, people. This con job is expanding ad nauseum. The fact that Trump started with his grand meeting with Putin in Alaska and all this good shit was supposed to happen and follow and whatever, and the next thing we see is Zelensky. I'm thinking, oh, fuck, here we go again.
Speaker 15Here we fucking go. Back to Ukraine and, you know, it's nonsense. Go ahead, Dawn.
Speaker 12You know what I wanted to tell you? In 2019, in Ukraine, they had the first ever Eurasian Jewish conference. They all gathered there with Zelensky, okay? And I think at that point is probably when they sped up, like, confiscating churches and locking up clergy, okay? so um then we just recently found out that epstein was working through uh one of the russian diplomats i think his name is radchik c-h-i-k is the last word uh letters in his name to send the information through to putin or lavrov or whoever and he died and so uh he then was trying to go through this uh
Speaker 12This Norwegian, Jaglund, Thurgood Jaglund or something like that. Epstein was trying to go through him to make contact with Lavrov to give Putin info on Trump. So he would know how to deal with Trump. He was also working through with Ehud Barak, okay, to sell things to Russia, okay, like tech to Russia. He's the one who approached Thiel about investing in, called Rockety, which today is Carbine.
Speaker 12And he... And Jeffrey Epstein is the one who got Ehud Barak to invest in Peter Thiel's rocketeer. So it's like one ugly circle. So I'm thinking when these Epstein files came out and that I don't know, there's more to drop, how much crap went on between Epstein and Russia or Epstein and the EU. That Trump changed his mind about Ukraine.
Speaker 12Part of me feels like Trump's captured. Because most of his secretaries are living on a military base. And the only one that's his shadow is Litnick.
Ian MalcolmAnd I find that awfully strange. Two of all people, Jeffrey Epstein. And the circle comes full circle. And it all makes complete sense. And unfortunately... Yes, captured is a very good term, and it's not just Donald Trump. It's his predecessor, Biden, who had Secretary Blinken as the Secretary of State, whose longtime family friends through his stepfather, Samuel Pizarro, with the Maxwells, which were the number two on Epstein Island, who just coincidentally also, Jelaine Maxwell, happened to not only have a nephew who ran Middle Eastern policy for the Clinton administration, but also Jelaine happened to be...
Ian Malcolmat the wedding of Chelsea Clinton, a 400-person wedding. And in the third row is Jelaine Maxwell. What a small world we find ourselves in. I mention all that just to suggest that this system, obviously there is something going on that far supersedes religion. It does seem like there is some kind of ethno-racial aspect or element.
Ian MalcolmLike Game of Thrones said, it does seem like they seem hell-bent on destroying religion. various other cultures. I think square in the crosshairs of that appears to be the white Christians. That is my contention. I believe that for a number of reasons. None of the least would be mass migration, the endless interracial propaganda that we see essentially everywhere, and then the literal genocide of people like those in Ukraine that are being sent to fight Russia, which is a great call out there by Game of Thrones.
Ian MalcolmAnd that is something that seems to have gone on for a long time. We listened to this space where Dr. Powell walked through the German treatment under the Russian Bolsheviks in those forced labor camps. He talked about the hundreds of thousands of individuals that passed as a result of that, the tens of thousands of those that were German.
Ian MalcolmHe talked about the treatment of German men and women who had married into either ethnic Russians, ethnic Ukrainians, or ethnic Jews that were living in Russia. How curious that if it was a woman, she was allowed to remain with the Jewish or Russian man. But as for the German men in Russia, they were immediately sent to those forced labor camps where again, many of them died due to starvation and other brutal treatments.
Ian MalcolmThis is the unfortunate set of truths about this time in history that is essentially scrubbed from all the record books. Doesn't seem to matter. that the treatment of these people was equally as bad, or at least it appears such in terms of the work camp aspects anyway, as it would have been not only in the United States, but also prospectively in Germany.
Ian MalcolmBut you never hear about any of these things. And so I thank people like Dr. Powell for doing the research to understand these things as we set off from the get-go, not only a doctorate in this, but also working on his professorship. This is a individual who's written multiple books. put one of those up into the nest. I would welcome and encourage individuals to try and get their hands on that history.
Ian MalcolmI can near promise you that when things all go digital, that'll just probably disappear and vanish. And on that note, since we're talking about books, grab a copy of Orwell's 84, get a copy of Animal Farm, get a copy of Brave New World. Don't just get a digital version because again, those might disappear tomorrow. And the truth that those people were talking about quite a while back.
Ian Malcolmin the case of Orwell, what is it, almost 80 years ago. Those things are timeless, as are the conversations in this space. I can't promise that this account will be, because we know who is putting pressure on X, people like Nikita Bier, the X head of product who oversees the entirety of X. And yes, he is Jewish, for what it's worth.
Ian MalcolmNow, so is the ownership over at TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Google, shall we go on? Probably not, because you guys know the spiel. But my point is, that history is going to be written by the winners. The digital rendition of it is going to be filtered by the owners. And the owners today appear to be the winners of that war of yesterday, who obscure the past, they lie about the present, and they envision a future in which we can't even have these conversations.
Ian MalcolmSo please do everything you can to share them with anybody and everybody. Please always thank individuals like Dr. Powell for taking the time to come into these conversations. I know that he had to drop off and was having issues getting back into the space. but I sincerely want to thank him for being here. I sincerely want to thank all of you for listening.
Ian MalcolmAnd as you guys saw, with the exception of the person that I thought might be a troll, I will let up anybody and everybody, so much so that the very individual that was heckling me throughout the course of the day about things like the Bolsheviks, I sent him not one, not two, but I sent three invitations for him to come into this space.
Ian Malcolmduring which he was doing many other things on X, but never found his way in here while we had Dr. Powell and Truth Teller to have those conversations around the Bolsheviks. Why? Because it probably would have gone very poorly. That is what we face. That is our opposition. These people are not arriving at an intellectual battlefield with a strong, confident frame, willing to discuss the realities of the world.
Ian MalcolmMuch like the political class of today, they insist on censorship, lies, and propaganda. That's all these people have. And while they do so, they also rely on effeminate Marxist slurs to try and get you to censor yourself. Because if you dare to have the audacity to proudly and boldly speak the truth, they have no recourse.
Ian MalcolmSo please, do your homework on all of these topics as best you can. Learn these conversations inside and out. look up the data, research the data, and talk about it or read about it or do something with it. And why do I say that? Because some people are visual learners, others are auditory learners, and third are tactile learners, meaning they learn by doing things with their hand, right?
Ian MalcolmSo do things or speak things or read things. But either way, do something with the information so that you can make as best of a difference as you can. Game of Thrones, as always, a pleasure to have familiar faces, old and new, come into these spaces. So encouraged and enthused to see you back in this room. I want to thank everybody that was up here.
Ian MalcolmJoanne, Truth Teller, Thomas, Wolf, Donna, Game of Thrones, everybody that came through, whether you were listening, you were speaking, you were commenting, you were adding to the purple pill, whatever you were doing, I want to thank you for being you. Because we are all special and we are all unique. And I don't say that because diversity is our strength.
Ian MalcolmI actually think it is, though. But when I say that, it's diversity of nationalities, of people, of heritages, of cultures, of religions. Those can all be good things. I just believe that just like a guy not too long ago said, Germany for the Germans, England for the English, America for the Americans. But to be American is not just to be in America.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'll close on kind of a weird note here. I got a DM from a person that is Pakistani. They came to the United States because of some rather dire economic situations. They had some family that were in the US, whatever. Fast forward two or three decades. They have kids. They raise those children proudly. They have taught them to be proud of America.
Ian MalcolmThey tell them confidently, we are in a strange land. We are Pakistani. who happen to be in America. Now, why do I say that? Because America is a beautiful place. Yes, because of all of the things that created what we have today. But what we have today becomes something drastically different tomorrow if we get rid of the principles, the people, the culture, the heritage that make it great today.
Ian MalcolmAnd we know that that's the case. You can't take any amount of ingredients, make a wonderful dish, then throw in a whole bunch of other stuff and expect it to be anything remotely resembling that of what it was. when you initially constructed it. And so we need to preserve things in some sense that is conservatism. It's where the conservative party once came from.
Ian MalcolmThat's what Republicans once were supposed to stand for. They don't stand for any of those things anymore. Right. But we should be able to appreciate all kinds of different people, all kinds of different ideas. We need to bring them to the table. We need to sharpen them. We need to combat those that we disagree with, but maybe from time to time, we'll learn from them.
Ian MalcolmAnd the same thing is with that individual, because God love him for respecting that he is that stranger in the strange land that he's trying to add to this world, to this ecosystem, to expose the group that's trying to destroy everything, and to recognize that he's in kind of a strange quandary. We can figure those things out together tomorrow.
Ian MalcolmHow to best create a nirvana that might be, again, the English in England, the Germans in Germany, et cetera. But you can't get there until you can ultimately reject the problem that seems to have been here for well over 100 years at this point. Same playbook, same orchestration. And Autopal walked through how what were they doing in Russia?
Ian MalcolmThe Bolsheviks, who were disproportionately Jewish to the point that he said 60 as much as maybe even 80 to 90 percent when you included via marriage at the highest level of the leadership of the Bolsheviks. What were they doing? They were oppressing, opposing. tormenting, and in many cases, genociding the ethnic Russians for the benefit of this small little banking cabal that had all of the control, that were importing all of this, let's just call it loosely diversity, whether it's the Georgians like Stalin or any of these other groups that felt disenfranchised and had a hatred for the ethnic Russians.
Ian MalcolmNow, who does that ironically ring back to? Again, back to the idea of art and of literature of the past. none other than Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who said that you cannot understand the Bolsheviks without first understanding the ethnic hatred they had for the Russians. So I bring all that up because I think Game of Thrones made a very interesting point about the continuous killing of these people by perhaps this group.
Ian MalcolmSo we need to recognize what they are, learn from it, learn from the experts. I want to thank you all again today. for being here. I want to thank Dr. Powell for joining the conversation. Please make sure to follow him. Again, look up and see if you can get a copy of his book, support him, support his work, support the people on this panel, but more than anything else, support one another and yourself by recognizing that if we all band together, we can create a better tomorrow for every single person that is simply mirroring merely simply merely willing and tongue twister.
Ian Malcolmto speak out against tyrannical oppression. And so with that, wherever you are out there, God bless, Godspeed, good morning, good day, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are in the world. But most importantly, thank you as always for being here and just continue speaking the truth. So God bless everybody. If you want to continue listening in, I'm going to close this down.
Ian MalcolmI will go over to join Mr. Truth Teller's space. He runs absolutely fantastic ones. Yesterday was the big 100, the centurion, if you will. He's been exposing all of the connections between Jeffrey Epstein and a wide slew of additional individuals. He just did Miriam Adelson. I'm not sure who is on the docket for today, but every day he opens with some general Q&As of the day.
Ian MalcolmHe does basically a guided lesson on the individual that he's focusing on for that day and then opens it up to a roundtable. It's a wonderful forum. I hope to see you all there. If you're not able to, I hope to see you in future conversations. We will be doing more of them. And like I said, they are going to be aimed at allowing
Ian Malcolmfor all kinds of different things. So if you ever want to speak about a certain subject, send me a DM, put a little comment on one of my posts. I try to respond to anybody and everything. And I'm happy to talk to anybody about any topic that you are sincerely passionate about. Let's just make the world a better place in the process and everybody wins in the end.
Ian MalcolmSo again, God bless, Godspeed, good day and good night.