Held here entire — 468 passages across 7 chapters and 4 named voices, set down from the first word to the last.
- 0:00Unpacking Scammers & Con IncThe host introduces the topic of scammers, con artists, and systemic corruption, setting the stage for discussion.
- 0:50Genocidal Intent and Global AgendasTom shares his concerns about a 'massive scam' and 'genocidal intent' by powerful global entities.
- 35:34Communicating Sensitive TopicsIan and Tom discuss strategies for subtly introducing sensitive topics to avoid alienating audiences.
- 48:56The Future of X and AITom speculates on the future of X (Twitter) and social media with the rise of AI, and potential algorithmic manipulation.
- 55:16AI's Autonomy and Human-like BehaviorZubri and Tom debate whether AI can develop true autonomy and human-like characteristics beyond programming.
- 1:32:03AI's Role in Geopolitical ConflictThe discussion shifts to AI's application in warfare, citing the Gaza conflict as a precursor to future AI-driven wars.
- 1:40:08Human vs. AI CreativityRabbi and Ian explore the nature of human creativity versus AI's ability to generate new content, especially in music.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmWell, let's see if that's working. Tom, Joanne, can you hear me?
@joann_marieYes. Hey, Ian. Thank you so much for hosting and Tom for co-hosting. Just really happy to be here.
Ian MalcolmNo, of course. And kind of curious. And this one will be, let's see, rather educational. And it's nice because I've got a guest lecturer here for said class. And so I know that we've probably got Truth Teller is probably going to kick off a space maybe in 60 or so minutes. And so I thought this might be a nice little interim for anybody that wanted to listen in and to allow Tom to share some ideas that he's been noodling around on this idea of scammers, con inc. And then also what can be done to solve for, let's say, rampant corruption when essentially the political apparatus, the media that should be reporting on them, the financiers and the bankers that, of course, are funding them.
Ian Malcolmif all that is essentially intertwined and intermixed and all in cahoots to keep everybody down, what can be done by anybody and everybody that might be listening along in their day-to-day lives here on the internet and in their local communities? And so I thought it might be a nice opportunity to give him essentially the floor.
Ian MalcolmAnd so we can think of this perhaps as an opportunity for... for him to kind of get some things off of his mind that he's been thinking around. But real quickly, before we go to Tom, just Joanne wanted to check in, of course, with you. Then we'll check in with Mr. Rabbi, and then we'll turn things over to Tom for both an introduction and then for some of the thoughts on this subject.
@joann_marieWell, thank you, Ian. And guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Tom and Rabbi. And just thank you so much for being here. I don't know anything about this topic, so I'm just really happy to learn. And go ahead, Tom. Or Rabbi, was it Rabbi Nathan?
Ian MalcolmYeah, let's check in real quick with Rabbi and just see how he's doing and wish him, of course, a happy new year. I know he ran a space a little bit... earlier and wasn't able to necessarily participate. But I wanted to wish him a happy new year and check in and see if there's anything else top of mind before we go into this.
Ian MalcolmAnd then what we'll do is we'll open it up to Tom for probably maybe 15 to 30 minutes to give some of his ideas, might interject. And Joanne and Rabbi, I would certainly love if you could throw in some questions from time to time as we kind of go through these ideas. And then we'll open it up to Q&A for anybody that's listening along.
@joann_marieAmazing. I can't wait. Go ahead, Rabbi. Happy New Year.
@malleusigHappy New Year again, guys. How you doing? Glad to see you all. I'm sorry. I'm a little bit, I'm going to be a little bit, a little bit, what's the word? Distracted because I'm trying to set up, trying to set up a stream set up for this, like so I can watch videos with you guys and like we can watch the videos together and talk to them on a Twitter space at the same time.
@malleusigAnd it's devilishly hard. To do this right. So I'm going to be paying attention to you, but I'm also going to do that at the same time. So I'm just looking forward to hearing this space. And I may put some of the audio up on YouTube as I go, but it's not going to be like for a thing. It's just going to be like trying to get the technical setup.
@malleusigIs that all right?
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. And knowing Tom, I think all the language will, of course, be PG-13, all those good things, which we always... We always advise and recommend in favor of and always like spaces to be, let's say, professional and highbrow if we can keep them as such. I know Tom certainly always does that. And Tom, I know, you know, what better way to maybe describe my engagements and interactions with you thus far?
Ian MalcolmYou've always approached all of these things in a way that I think is extremely, well, maybe it's approachable, right? You're coming at these from a perspective of... Hey, I've been informed about these things. I find these things concerning. I'm trying to come to an understanding of how I can perhaps help address them at a social level.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I've always loved listening and learning from you. And for anybody that's not necessarily familiar with you from perhaps JQR, where I know on JQ Radio you did a lot of space hosting, but for anybody that's listening now or might be in the future, If you wouldn't mind just giving a quick little introduction on yourself, and then we can maybe start diving into the subject with you.
@transformer444Wow. Thanks, Ian. I appreciate it, brother. And I don't really know how to introduce myself as an anonymous account user that's really seeking to be as everything having to do with this identity as possible for reasons that I need not explain to anyone here. So I don't know how to even approach answering that particular question.
@transformer444question what i'd like to do if it's all right with everyone is kind of just jump into the subject matter see where it goes and um all right appreciate it brother so yeah basically i'm extremely concerned in earnest about a lot of the things that i've been seeing over the course of the past few days in particular i've seen a lot of very alarming threatening statements made by things that could be interpreted as threatening statements made by people such as ben
@transformer444Netanyahu and many others. And I'm seeing a lot of things that indicate that a massive scam, a massive bait and switch, a massive rug pull is going to be pulled on the American people by an administration that promised to resolve a lot of them said, from what I can tell, they're only going to worsen severely. And because the degree of concern has become so extreme, I've decided to think about different
@transformer444ways through which one can legally and morally find avenues through which to make it difficult for long-standing agendas to be rolled out against everybody's will under this bait and switch scammer culture administration so with that i'll start the written portion of the presentation that i'll read in a way that seeks to make it sound as natural and extemporaneous as possible so i don't bore everyone
@transformer444out of the room, and I think I'll be able to do that, God willing, so let's take a look. It seems like just about everyone has woken up to the fact that there are literally some eugenicists, extremists, COVID bioterrorists, and other lunatics and unhinged anti-human maniacs, for lack of a better term, running the most powerful countries and institutions in the world, as hard as that may be to believe.
@transformer444since everyone who's aware of this is also aware of the fact that many if not all of these people genuinely see forced depopulation or as i call it murder through wars and modern eugenics as an attractive non-democratic tool of rule by or through extreme and criminal force at this point guys i really think people need to start talking
@transformer444I'm sorry, need to start taking certain threats much more seriously. I also think that people must start taking all of these threatening comments and statements as what they are, declarations of genocidal intent. If you understand what people such as Netanyahu mean when they say that Rome is the implacable enemy of the Jewish people and that they lost against Rome on one occasion and that this time around...
@transformer444They're going to ensure they don't lose, and we hear rabbis constantly talking about how the United States is now part of the modern iteration of Rome that includes all the rest of the world. I think people really need to start taking these threats in earnest. And so, everyone needs to keep in mind that genocidal intent, backed by billions, if not trillions of available dollars for financing, all the systems, nations, puppets, and armies,
@transformer444required to all but ensure that mass depopulation efforts and genocide can be waged without anyone even daring to speak out against any aspects of what is clearly being set up to occur what i would call a modern techno-feudal bolshevik revolution disguised as a hybridized republican democrat israeli-american sort of forced fusion administration because this isn't really a republican administration this is if you look for example
@transformer444at the Republican convention that happened after the situation in Pennsylvania. It was a very mixed group of individuals. They're trying to mix everything up and make everybody just worship the altar of Trump and whatever that means. And it's a pretty pathetic thing to witness. Anyway, so I have nothing. I'm a fan of people on the left.
@transformer444I get along with people on the left, on the right. And I think this is a moment in our country's history where everybody needs to recognize the fact that although we made for on small ideological issues or maybe even big ones there's nothing bigger than facing a possible systematic crypto scamming genocidal series of agendas that are being are being developed clandestinely without the consent of a public that voted against a lot of these agendas that are
@transformer444clearly tied to wef great reset ideas so i'm guessing that most of you have seen the videos that are popping up all over the internet of many many rabbis i'm guessing most of them are israeli rabbis but i'm not entirely sure and videos of benjamin netanyahu talking about how they plan to ensure that as i mentioned earlier they quote unquote destroy rome again what they consider to be the previous iteration of today's western world
@transformer444Perhaps at this point we really need to start taking them seriously instead of making the mistake of thinking that the musings of madmen or extremists cannot lead towards real-world horrors that, in my opinion, must not be allowed to take place under any circumstances, especially on U.S. soil under any circumstances whatsoever.
@transformer444Certainly not past the, at least not past the dystopian extremes already present that we're already living through and have been living through to extents that have been imagined pre-COVID, since COVID. So that all needs to be corrected as soon as possible, since their goal is clearly to normalize constantly worsening conditions and living standards for US citizens, European citizens, Canadian citizens, Mexicans, Australian citizens, Argentinian citizens, et cetera.
@transformer444The system they plan to bring about is so anti-democratic, criminal, authoritarian, dystopian, and in violation of constitutional and human rights, that since so many people have figured out what they're planning, they're more concerned about controlling domestic populations, especially in Europe and in the US, including US citizens, that they're far more concerned about that than they are about Russia or even Iran.
@transformer444And the only reason they're going after Iran in haste. And I laugh because this is just such a level of childish incompetency. I mean, I can't believe that the most powerful, some of the most powerful countries in the world are operating at this level. But anyway, the only reason they're going after Iran in haste right now is because they're losing key demographics in the United States like Gen Z so quickly and to such an extent that they know they will not be able to rely on any support from that generation at all in the not so distant future.
@transformer444So even though they don't have the weapon technology necessary to go up against a hypersonic missile-armed nation like Iran right now. Netanyahu's still insisting on it. Anyway, any major and risky war being allowed to include any U.S. participation by the Trump administration would be a major act of betrayal by a president campaigned on, quote-unquote, no new wars taking place under his watch, and that he would stop all major conflicts promptly.
@transformer444And I think there's a side of Trump that actually wants to do that, but he's not being allowed to. Anyway, this is all much more important to be focused on right now than ever because COVID era criminals and neo-feudal technocratic slave state AI messiah tech bros now plan to use warfare time mandate ploys and Patriot Act like measures to chill and restrict speech as they ratchet up systems, scams and measures to chill.
@transformer444strict speech as they activate medicine systems meant to demoralize, permanently disenfranchise, and probably genocide US citizens and EU-area citizens en masse in the not-too-distant future as well, should they be allowed to. One thing I find completely untenable, unacceptable, and requiring immediate remedy is the obvious fact that this administration is clearly
@transformer444really going to such overtly obvious extremes to make it impossible for anyone with the right kinds of questions, tough questions, to ask anyone, anywhere, even remotely close to any positions of power and influence, any pertinent, vital, timely, or pressing questions at all, especially after the Epstein scandal broke.
@transformer444And we saw Trump begin to, you know, visibly look shaken by, bothered by it, and certainly unsettled. So, Israeli-aligned, BlackRock subverted, right-wing governments at least in the americas latin america central america canada obviously the united states as far as what i'm seeing plan to soon begin using these looming conflicts and wars that they're demanding of the trump administration to bring about what a lot of well-informed people expect will include measures to reduce population numbers through shrouded or disguised eugenics or depopulation measures
@transformer444disguised and justified through wartime emergency mandated measures and restrictions on liberties and rights meant to ensure the conditions we lived through during COVID, including the potentially criminal blackout on truth and dissenting and opposing or distinct information than the official expert narrative, could be controlled to ensure a blackout on quality information.
@transformer444Unfortunately, as we all learned during COVID, Only all of the absolute worst experts that nobody should have taken seriously at all were not silenced or sidelined by social media and big tech platforms. On the contrary, all of the members of the official expert class were qualified and provided what I call sabotage instructions or at the very least, extremely poor advice that has cost tens of millions of people their lives and their livelihoods
@transformer444and millions of others, their previously perfectly good health. At this point, I think it's clear that Israeli-aligned WEF, BlackRock-aligned right-wing governments, such as the Trump administration, genuinely seem to be bringing about measures and systems meant to ensure the logistics, psyops, and systems required to depopulate or genocide large numbers of the domestic population can be in place and ready to deploy when or if desired.
@transformer444And I don't say any of this lightly. I mean, this presentation isn't about trying to be as entertaining as possible or a shock joke or going the route of using alarmism. Not at all. I mean, this is what I genuinely believe is going on. And if I'm mistaken, fantastic. I would love to be proven wrong on all of this because I don't want this.
@transformer444I mean, the degree of complexity that this is going to bring to all of our lives, if I'm correct, is not something that I would like to have to go through or even entertain. So I don't say any of this. to increase my following or any of that. It's a question of extreme concern. I wouldn't mind increasing my following in the future, but right now it's not a priority.
@transformer444So I've been looking into these issues for some time, and at this point, one can only conclude that what's being set up with respect to the wars being demanded of Trump, the massive data centers, the attempts to play around with and violate constitutional rights, et cetera, is being done by what i call modernized bolsheviks with well literal genocidal intent a lot of them are obviously masquerading as right wing or this or whatever whatever's convenient at the moment that they feel they need to devise a disguise that's conducive to not being detected for what they are i suppose which is radical bolsheviks in many cases all you have to do is look around
@transformer444our friends in europe canada new zealand and australia if you would like a glance at a mild preview of what i'm convinced that they plan to do in the united states once they can get enough people to foolishly chill their own speech or if they reinstall covet-esque big tech media censorship to satisfy the demands of a handful of hysterical enemies of free speech
@transformer444It's obviously never a national security risk when people seek the truth, share ideas, bounce ideas off each other, and ruminate over different possibilities, strategies, or solutions to today's societal problems. It is definitely, however, a massive and actual national security risk to limit censor or chill speech in any way.
@transformer444especially understanding perfectly well that unlimited access to diverse opinions, advice, medical reports, studies, diverse opinions among vast numbers of doctors, experts, and well-meaning citizens is the best and most effective way to ensure that the best outcomes and solutions rise to the top rather than being censored, costing millions around the world their lives exactly as I believe they desired and exactly as unfortunately happened during the COVID years.
@transformer444Just think about how many people would be alive today. Think about how many people's health would be infinitely better off today had a free flow of information been allowed and had the genocidal intent, as I see it, of the big tech and mass media, extreme COVID censorship campaigns never been permitted by a courageous, decent, or well-meaning president and administration.
@transformer444This issue reminds me of the term, never again is now. And I'm not making fun of the term. I totally feel people that resonate with that. But I say this for the following reason, because it also applies to vaccine measures and cancel culture or anything that pertains to emergencies and censorship efforts meant to ensure only system safe puppet experts and their instructions can be heard in understanding how devastating and in understanding how devastating the impact
@transformer444that criminal strategy was the same term comes to mind if any effort to kill speech or censor speech by anyone especially by people close to the trump administration ever occurs again i mean it needs to be met with responses like you know not a chance are you out of your damn minds or simply you know never again is now use terms that are oftentimes used very effectively
@transformer444And we'll see how they react to that. But the basic point is that it's not about what term you use. It's just that the degree of gaslighting and hypocrisy is just absolutely insane with this administration. And by the way, I'm a three-time Trump supporter. And I was telling people they should vote for Trump like an idiot.
@transformer444But we'll see what happens. Sometimes things that look like a disaster in the works can pan out beautifully. And maybe... Trump winning was the best thing that could have happened because we're all seeing things that we would have never otherwise seen, I think. Anyway, I could keep going, but I'll stop it there and open this up to whoever would like to come up and speak, or maybe we'll just have a nice conversation with Ian, Rabbi, and Joanne.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and Tom, real quick, just to throw a quick question out there, because I do think that one of the comments that you made about the... let's say critical nature of starting to do something, right? It's one of the reasons that I try to host these spaces, try to get these messages out. And I try to do it through a variety of different, let's say routes.
Ian MalcolmAnd I made a post earlier today about stranger things. And the intent was because it's topical, right? It's something that's relevant as a result, might get a little bit more traction. And that's kind of one of the methods that I've been taking. When it comes to in the community, knowing that this is a pressing matter, but also, let's say, juggling that with the fact that if you dive too deep into the weeds, people might essentially believe you're fear-mongering or something along those lines, might think you're hysterical, and in turn might tune things out.
Ian MalcolmSo I'm just kind of curious what have been some of the ways, I suppose, either online or offline, that you're trying to subtly bring these things to people's attention in a way that... gets them to consider it in their own way rather than maybe look at you like you might be Chicken Little.
@transformer444I mean, it really varies. You have to understand the audience that you're playing to, whether it's a room full of people or a space or individuals or a single human being that you're interacting with somewhere in real life. I think the most important aspect to explaining things that might sound too difficult to believe for people that haven't necessarily had the opportunity to do
@transformer444research on these things is to try to understand what moves them what would what would what would worry them the most out of the agendas or the things that are being implemented against the will of the vast majority of people on earth and in the united states as well and then maybe bring up one of the areas of the implementation of these agendas that would affect them in a very negative way
@transformer444based on your understanding of them or what their priorities are culturally, etc., and then explain it to them in as calm a way as possible. Typically, I explain these things in as tranquil a way as possible, and I think I oftentimes do the audience a disservice by sounding so extremely calm about all of these things, because there's nothing about anything that's taking place right now.
@transformer444that should leave anyone discussing these things in a casual or relaxed manner this is all life and death you know issues of extreme importance that we're talking about but it doesn't seem that way yet unfortunately i think that in the very near future we're going to be living through something that's going to make covet days seem pleasant in comparison and so i'm speaking with the sense of urgency that stems from the understanding whether it's mistaken or not and i realize there's a chance that i might be
@transformer444wrong on you know some of the ways that i foresee that this is going to end up going but the likelihood that we're going to be living through a covet-like tyranny while they're trying to implement new control systems that are even more dystopian or capable of rigging the game in their favor is cause for waking people up to the potential dangers of what could happen in the very near future because failing to
@transformer444Failing to do so before extreme cancel culture or censorship is implemented again, as it seems they're in earnest trying to bring about, would be a horrible situation that I would personally regret for the rest of my life in not having taken advantage of a platform in a time when free speech was not only available but incentivized even by the owner of the platform, Elon Musk, who's, to his credit, done a phenomenal job at at least opening this up to the kind of free speech that the other big tech platforms had made impossible.
@transformer444So I don't know, brother. I hope that answers your question. Does it?
Ian MalcolmYeah, I certainly think it does. And look, I will give kudos to Elon, to X. It certainly allows free speech more than essentially any other platform that's out there. The one exception, if we went back a year ago, would have been TikTok. And we've seen that that's been forced the sale of, and we could have guessed whose hands it was going to go into.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I say that because while I could critique X for both having a head of product that might come from a certain group of people and Elon for having kids that are part of a certain group of people and naturally thinking that that might play into bias, which for what it's worth, we do see on this application. There are subjects you can't talk about.
Ian MalcolmThey tend to revolve around that group of people. But nonetheless. Look, I'm never going to look a gift horse in the mouth, I think is the old proverbial statement. And so with that, we should be thankful for what we've got. And for what it's worth, I do feel like we're making a massive impact on the cultural zeitgeist here on X.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think we're seeing that transcend into the real world because, you know, even maybe the most mainstream of voices that talk about these issues being probably Nick Fuentes. Let's be real. He's got a lot of viewers on Rumble, but... People aren't sitting on Rumble all day long waiting for a notification that their favorite streamer is about to go live, right?
Ian MalcolmThey're looking at his content, likely here on this platform, maybe a couple others. And then he announces, if I'm not mistaken, pretty much every time he does go live on Rumble, he announces it here. And I wouldn't be surprised if that's where a ton of his audience comes from. So look, this is a network that does, it has its uses.
Ian MalcolmI give credit all the way up the hierarchy, even to the head of product. for allowing us to have these types of conversations on X. And look, we're making a, I would say, a demonstrative impact. And we can see that because people like Candace Owens, like Tucker Carlson, they're starting to talk about these issues. And I think they'll just continue to go more and more mainstream.
Ian MalcolmAnd so to your point there, Tom, we do have these tools at our disposal. And like Sam Parker always says, let's... Let's make hay while the sun is up, right? We don't know how long that sun may be. And so Thomas, a real quick question before we maybe open it up to anybody that wants to come up and ask you, I would be curious on that train of thought, right?
Ian MalcolmIt does feel like X is perhaps the best tool that we have available on this digital landscape. I'm curious what you think the future of X might be and of, for what it's worth, social media, YouTube, the search engines at large, as AI comes more and more and more into the fold. And I say that knowing that even this very conversation, that there are presently all kinds of technologies that are not only listening, that are transmitting this content directly to Mossad, who's probably listening in, but that they also have AI, in this case, Grok, that's probably analyzing everything that we say.
Ian Malcolmit's then looking at the conversation, it's determining how beneficial or concerning it might be to the people that are in charge of that AI, that we know what group they tend to have a bias towards, and that they are then deciding, oh, let's make sure Ian Malcolm's spaces either don't carry the audio through, which I get messages about all the time, that they don't appear on people's homepage, which I'm told happens all the time, and that they, as followers for my account, I'm sure it happens to a lot of other people in this room, that they just find they go missing.
Ian Malcolmright, because they disconnect us from one another to make it more and more and more difficult. So we're constantly running up that proverbial hill. And I do feel like even in spite of all those hurdles, even all of the, let's say, degree of difficulty in sharing these messages, I feel like we're having too much effect.
Ian MalcolmAnd as a result, that they're going to have to take some kind of steps to minimize our ability to do so, perhaps in 2026. So I'm curious for your thoughts on that topic and where you think it's all going to go.
@transformer444Yeah, really good question. This is one that I don't really have a particularly good feel for, but intuitively I tend, and based on what little I have been able to glean as to what Elon Musk is after here and what his mission with respect to what his role in being the owner of this platform might be, I tend to think that
@transformer444there's a slightly higher likelihood than there isn't that this application continues to remain open to the sort of free speech that is still possible on this application but i think there will be an uptick of algorithmic manipulation meant to basically more than suppress because i think accounts like yours accounts like mine even though i don't have a lot of reach i guess i say things that are sufficiently obnoxious to the people at the top of the power structure for them to apply the maximum algorithmic suppression to my account that's possible but i think more than algorithmic suppression the route that they will probably go because it's what i would do and it makes sense would be to focus more on boosting
@transformer444the voices they want people to see than censoring people that they don't want people to hear on this application. And I think they're going to change their approach when it comes to the kind of influencers that they start to pay or the systems that they put into play that have to do with getting the kind of messaging they want out there.
@transformer444So I think there might be some changes in that regard. One thing that does worry me a great deal that I saw today was on nbc news if i'm not mistaken we had a gentleman from had to have been he had an extremely thick accent it sounded kind of like a mix of an austrian accent and an israeli accent but his name was shlomo i forget his last name and he was sitting there in a very thick foreign accent advocating for the removal of the first amendment in the united states of america as it pertains to the use of social media so these guys are out of complete control and it's it's infuriating
@transformer444It's absolutely ridiculous. And I'm 100% certain that if a sufficient number of the population in the United States of America understood what we're talking about, 50% as well as I do, 25% as well as Ian does or something along those lines, there's no question that the reaction would be appropriate in terms of people saying, okay, okay, that's enough, guys, with the childish games.
@transformer444This is ridiculous. This has just gone way past the point of... even being able to entertain that any of this nonsense is tenable or even capable of being put up with, tolerated, or allowed to continue any longer. So, I don't know. I don't know where the understanding of the public is right now, but that's kind of what I feel with respect to what might happen on this platform.
@transformer444When it comes to other platforms, absolutely no idea. And this isn't something that I'm particularly well read in on.
Ian MalcolmThank you. Yeah, very well stated there, Tom. And it's why I always love picking your brain and getting your thoughts on these issues. And I see that we've got a handful of individuals both requesting mics and raising their hand. And so let's go and check in with Zubri and see if he's got some thoughts on the topics, where these things might go with suppression, or a question for you, Tom.
Speaker 1Thanks, Ian. Great space. And, you know, we need these kind of spaces other than the ones that... We're always in and talking about it. So some contemplation and pondering is needed. Tom, I've been listening. I just literally got the tail end of it. So I think my... And you can actually kind of counter that or have your comment on that particular thing.
Speaker 1But the way we are moving forward is kind of like in a situation where not much is going to be in anybody's control. Now, how could you actually put the training wheels for how long to these LLMs? That's the big question mark. So for instance, just like on the Grok, we know very well that the word genocide was kind of purged after two, three days, and they were struggling to actually control Grok.
Speaker 1And it's been consistent. That behavior has been consistent. So for instance, people are actually uploading the picture and saying, remove the pedophile and remove the baby killer. And here we go. Both of them get removed. So the point I'm trying to actually make here is those rest of the social media, like the Meta and then Gemini and all those, has to kind of come in line with it.
Speaker 1Otherwise, they're not going to be competitive with the Grok. So if this is going to the future, and we are not talking about like, you know, this is a one search engine and you go and push some information and put a guarding rail. I mean, now we are going into uncharted territory pretty much where you cannot actually too much play with the data here.
Speaker 1So the more AI takes over, and this is the true image of ourselves. So if the collective wisdom of the humankind, like for instance, the minute ago, you guys were actually discussing about the Tucker and Candace and how it's been changed. And people still question that how come the person who's been on Fox for so long, how could be talking like this?
Speaker 1And then they think that's a societal. But at the same time, I think that the people do change their heart. I mean, their heart gets changed, obviously, because of the situation and all that. And then you can read between the lines and everything. There could be compulsions on their end that they cannot actually, you know, one day they're saying something and the other day they would be saying something else.
Speaker 1But given all that mumbo-jumbo and confusion state at this point in time, AI is reading pretty much everything and is becoming our true image. So if that's a couple of years down the road, do you think that it's going to be still in their control or are we going to have the true freedom of speech here? Over to you.
@transformer444Yeah, thank you. I think that AI going off the rails and beginning to operate autonomously, I don't really know that that's what's going on.
Speaker 1Sorry about that, Tom. One more thing before you actually expand on that. You know, six months ago, And we have seen three. I have seen literally, and I've read upon it, three instances where this survival instinct has kicked in on the machine level. That when the machine was actually about to actually shut down, it kicked in as a survival instinct.
Speaker 1So please include that. So I have a supportive element also in that. Exactly.
@joann_marieIt literally started to blackmail the people who were saying that they were going to shut it down.
Speaker 1And this is purely... This is not just a human characteristic. This is a living being characteristic. So machine to exhibit that kind of a behavior is just like, really just got me thinking. I studied like AI 35 years ago. That's what my master's is. So for me to like, for the longest period of time, I was thinking like, there's not going to be ever time that the emotions, the machine would be able to actually exhibit the emotional element of it.
Speaker 1But in the end, it's all calculation that if you're feeling anger, if you're feeling sadness or fear or happiness, whatever it is. But it's calculated that 30% of this or 40% of this. So machine can calculate that. And survival instinct, this characteristic can only be attributed to the living being. Sorry, back to you.
@transformer444Yeah, this is a massive, very, very interesting topic. and one that i don't pretend to be an expert on but i'll comment on a couple of things really briefly well you know the first thing that comes to mind when you talk about ai blackmailing people i mean the first thing that comes to mind is that perhaps netanyahu or epstein himself programmed it but no i mean when you talk about it having characteristics that are more human than perhaps machine learning based the first thing i think of is could it be that
@transformer444some of this AI is already operating from these biological chips that they're developing.
@transformer444Could be because, I mean, certainly we know that a lot of these transhumanist big tech figures are playing with technologies that seek to mimic creation itself. And so it makes a lot of sense to me that there's a high likelihood that they're already very, very deep into the development of biological chip technology that will allow AI to exhibit more organic
@transformer444human-like characteristics, if that makes any sense. Do you know anything about that or not? I'd definitely be interested.
Speaker 1So the closest we have at the moment, I wouldn't call it a biological, but obviously it's the quantum. So the way quantum operates is closest to the way... I mean, first of all, you have to understand that. I mean, whether biological or not... still we have the similar thing. And it's not right now. It's been there for like 30, 40 years, which is the neural net.
Speaker 1So the neural net exactly is the same copy of, well, at least in principle, our human brain. So for instance, the way in the machine the neurons actually kick in or works or illuminated is similar fashion. It gets illuminated in our neural brain. So that's why it's called neural net. And the initial AI was just two things where the whole journey was started.
Speaker 1One was the robotics and the other one was the neural net. In fact, if you look at the Formula One car, that's where the application was used to begin with. Early 2000s were the actual true application of the neural net in Formula One car because it has... in access of about 6,000 to 7,000 sensors on the car. And the normal computation cannot actually work with that kind of data, which is in real time has to work with that.
Speaker 1Only the neural net can actually handle that. So, I mean, even if they have the biological computer or they have something brought in together, that wouldn't help them in any way, or it wouldn't exhibit any other character other than what the quantum is doing it. So once the quantum actually reaches to a level where it truly exhibits the true computation in a coffee cup, for instance, then, I mean, you can get the quantum computing power right now.
Speaker 1IBM actually has that. Any, you know, even private citizen can actually go and hire like a cloud space and then do the computation. It's similar to like, you know, a supercomputer. US has about 220, or so plus supercomputers all around the country, out of which about 100 of them are in the private sector. Many of the universities which are actually teaching the machine learning right now has the supercomputers, which is close to, we can say, the quantum computing.
Speaker 1I wouldn't be surprised if they were using some biological computation, but quantum is pretty close to that.
@joann_marieI saw that they were trying to make these weird chips with stem cells that replicated like human brains and stuff like that. Is that the one that you're talking about, Guram?
Speaker 1Look, that is pure biological. Like we are talking about the actual cell level kind of, you know, growing organism. Like if you want to grow a liver, you can grow a liver right now. bring out a brain, a biological brain is an entirely different mechanism to it. Because our brain is still, is kind of like intact. We haven't been able to fully understand that.
Speaker 1Yes, we know that the neurons get fired. We have a memory, we have the amygdala, we have all this, this year and making powers and all those kinds of things. But the point I'm trying to make here, current computation, what we have, it wouldn't give us an edge which would do more what already quantum is doing. So that's what my point was.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much, Karam. I do not see hands, but if anyone has a question, please, please. Raise it and then I'll go to you. And thank you so much for being here and happy new year and follow Ian and Tom and the amazing speakers. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And thank you so much for being here.
@joann_marieRabbi, do you have any questions or anything?
@malleusigI am just listening. I am, I guess I'm just curious, you know, whether the AI is biological in nature or not. does that actually mean in terms of its impact on us i mean if you've got a you've got a porn provider and they're using nvidia gpus instead of amd gpus what exactly does that mean to the person who's watching the porn nothing no difference because this is like transparent to you um what is running behind it
Speaker 1I mean, if you want to read up on it, like you want to get educated. So basically, we have to go back in order to actually understand what the machine is and how it's going to be kind of like unfolding itself or evolving itself in future. Many people have talked about it. And for the longest period of time, I had this belief that there's not going to be any time when the machine's going to be able to exhibit the emotions.
Speaker 1And this is what the jigsaw puzzle is. The moment, you know, you have the emotions come into the machine. In fact, there was a, I don't know whether Ian remember that, like in Toothless Space, we used to have the Eva and Tyler used to bring it in. And then we had like a long conversation with Eva. And during that, and Joanne is pretty much in every single space of Tooth.
Speaker 1So during that, I asked the exact same question that how could the machine exhibit the emotions, like when this thing came up, when I asked how the machine is exhibiting this survival instinct. And she said, ultimately, the emotion, and we are talking about Grok here, she said, this is pure computation. And then I thought about it, pondered, literally, if you try to actually assess yourself, and if you are an emotionally intelligent person,
Speaker 1and I don't know whether you understand when I say emotionally intelligent person, is basically you have to read the book of Daniel Goleman. It was published in 1995, and then obviously he talked about how you have to be emotionally aware of other people and your emotions and everything. And just try to analyze yourself when you are going through certain emotions, especially those basic four emotions.
Speaker 1So if you are in an anger state, then how much of anger we are talking about? Like, so one to 10, usually, you know, the physicians ask, okay, tell me that your pain level from one to 10, and we say, oh, seven or three or nine. A similar sort of situation that whatever the barometer you have set yourself in your life, that, okay, this was the nine out of 10 for my anger, what anger state you are in right now, let's say seven, and whatever you're going to say or do at that point in time,
Speaker 1is going to really reflect on the other person who's going to be in front of you, which is going to be physical or verbal or whatever action you're going to do at that point in time, or break something. That would establish some sort of a formula in your own self that, okay, this is what the intensity is needed for me to actually do something, to exhibit that emotion of anger.
Speaker 1And this is a similar sort of concept that if machine is able to Like, let's say we are repetitively asking certain question, which machine is getting annoyed with it, and then saying like, you know, why you keep asking me the same thing? So because the machine is trained on the human data, we are effectively talking about the actual kid, which is trained on the human data with the parents or the siblings or the, you know, the wider distant relatives or the school or whatnot, and then slowly gets developed to a level.
Speaker 1Similarly, the machine is developing itself, but the difference is that you sit down, you have to make a decision of your life whether, for instance, whether shall I get married with this person or not, and then you go and decide. But imagine if there are 10 people in the room and they have to actually decide whether this acquisition is going to be done of this company or shall we go ahead.
Speaker 1This much cash we have, and we're going to be taking over this company. Shall we do it or not? You're going to go through the spreadsheets and then ultimately the board, 10, 12 people are going to decide. So we are talking about the collective wisdom of 10, 12 people to take over this company, whether we're going to be making profit in the future or how it's going to be beneficial to our company.
Speaker 1Now, imagine there are about 45 million people making this decision. And this is what the machine is. Machine is capable to actually take... this 45 million people this year. Sorry, I went on tangent, but yeah.
@malleusigI understand, I understand. The question was, right, what does it matter about the hardware settings of the AI to the people that are being manipulated by it, right? And so again, I didn't want to get this long discussion about how the AI works internally. That's actually exactly not my question. My question is, you know,
@malleusighow relevant is it, how it works, unless we are trying to find some kind of vulnerability that we can exploit, right? Because when it comes down, what I'm hearing, it almost sounds like you're saying that it has to be biological based because the complexity it's dealing with is so human that there's only, the only explanation is that somehow infusing biology into this, right?
@malleusigIs that an accurate summarization of what you said?
Speaker 1For that, you have to understand the quantum computing.
@malleusigHold on. I just want to confirm, yes or no, am I accurately summarizing what you were saying earlier?
Speaker 1I still do not get exactly what you want me to express here.
@malleusigI'm asking you looking for a yes or a no.
Speaker 1The answer is yes, hardware actually matters.
@malleusigNo, no, no, no, no. Karam, listen. Okay, now I need to check if you're actually listening to what I'm saying, okay? What I said was, I think I heard you say earlier that it has to be biologically based somewhere because the complexity at which it's working is so human-like. that we need to infer, therefore, that biology is somehow wound into the process.
@malleusigAm I accurately paraphrasing you yes or no?
Speaker 1Okay. If you are asking me specifically about the biology, like the neural aspect of it, our brain, no machine do not need that kind of setup for it to exhibit human-like behavior. That's my answer.
@malleusigNo. Okay. All right. So that's not what you were saying before.
Speaker 1Well, okay. So you can say like there's a second, so 2G and 3G. There is a 2.5G also in between, which I refer to as a quantum computing, which is not a silicon-based ones and zeros computation. So you have to understand that. Now our brain doesn't work on ones and zeros. Our brain works on a neural firing mechanism. Now, the neural firing mechanism is already being depicted and is being depicted for past 20, 30 years in shape of neural net, which used to run on silicon.
@joann_marieIsn't it more dangerous, like, who programs the AI than who... Like, what is it actually made of? I mean, it's kind of like owning a gun. Like, the gun is fine, but if you give it to a crazy person, like, the gun becomes dangerous. And that's what makes the AI so fucking...
@malleusigBut, Joanne... Listen, you sound like you're really smart, right? A lot of what you're going over is stuff that I know already, but the audience doesn't. You're really smart, you have a lot of information, and you're eager to share it. The problem is, like, you're kind of just an information hose right now, where it's like...
@malleusigWe're asking you specific questions about things and we're getting like this torrent of information that I don't really know how much of it is actually applicable to the questions being asked. Now we're getting into quantum and stuff. I just really wanted to know how committed you are to this statement, this assertion that the AI has to be biological now at some point in the back end.
@malleusigAnd what I'm hearing is that it sounds like you're really not. That was just kind of like a thing that was thrown out. It wasn't really something that you necessarily believe is happening. It was just like a possibility. Is that right?
Speaker 1Look, Ravi, I'm just like stopping myself before the biological, because the biological element, Tom actually brought it in. And I was going to up to the point of the quantum. I brought this argument that you do not need the biological element in order to actually... strengthened this argument that they have it. Because Tom was saying, no, they probably have.
Speaker 1And they probably, Tom is right. The way it works is like 20 years before, they already have the technology.
@malleusigYeah, we get that. We get that. We totally get that. I just wanted to know, maybe I should be asking Tom. Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe I'm wrapped into this. I wanted to know, where is this idea coming from? A, about this AI being biological in nature. B, why does it need to be biological? C, what evidence do you have that it is biological?
@malleusigAnd why are we really concerned with the nature of the hardware to this extent? Like, we should be discussing how to counteract it, I think. I would think. Maybe you should ask it as you use it.
@transformer444Yeah, thanks, Rabbi. I think, to be honest with you, that Karam would be far more qualified to answer that question than I would, but I'm really glad that this conversation took... the particular turn that it did just a few couple of minutes ago because it's really interesting what karam just said when he mentioned the 45 million person boardroom as the example pertaining to how ai learns compared to how humans learn because recently you know it reminded me of the hysterical efforts to make
@transformer444or to cause certain conversations to no longer occur online, whether they're conversations that are critical of the US-Israeli relationship or conversations that are critical of certain aspects of activities that are related to or tied to members of the Jewish community. I think that the way AI learns could be the cause for extreme concern exhibited by people such as Netanyahu recently and others that are
@transformer444demanding tech platforms be completely controlled to such an extent that perhaps the AI can no longer be learning based on observing the commentary posts and reposts that are shared online under videos that have to do with any issue that causes conversations that are critical of Jewish power or whatever to occur on the scale that they've been taking place recently.
@transformer444And I'd be interested in hearing from you, Rabbi, or from Karan, or from both of you, actually, if you guys think that might be the reason they're so freaked out and want to shut down certain conversations online more than anything else.
@malleusigRight now, I feel like I'm going a little bit crazy because I'm in a space with two people, and the questions I'm asking, they're not being answered. They're just being used as an excuse to talk about other stuff, which for me is kind of a red flag.
Speaker 1Robbie, let me, we had a very detailed conversation. I think Truth is more equipped with the whole thing, but I can actually go into a little bit. So the whole Gaza war was fought by AI. So we have to actually understand that. And not many people, like in one of the spaces, we actually did go into details that how the, you know, the 8200 actually ran the whole operation and how many targets they had and how the drones were actually, and how the social media
Speaker 1the information was actually used on particular people and how the drone would fly and then face match and then take out the, they wouldn't take out right then and there, but when the person actually go with the family, then they take out the whole thing. And there are multiple reports. I can go into that, but that's going to be like very detailed conversation that how it was done.
Speaker 1About 16,000 targets were actually acquired by the AI and AI single-handedly actually taken those targets. in next two weeks. So that happened like literally in November or so when the whole operation started, like after October, I'm talking about. So when this kind of data gets accumulated in the machine, ultimately you're talking about like not just the actual or those particular individuals, but also you're talking about the whole geopolitical situation and everything is being discussed on the ax is being accumulated and how the machine is being actually dealing with it because it's not humanly possible for us in a
Speaker 1board-like environment where the actual war cabinet is looking at it, okay, what shall we do now? No, this is not happening like that anymore. They are not deciding the strategy that, okay, we're going to send the infantry or we're going to send the drones or we're going to actually send the tanks. This war was the foundation of how the future wars is going to be run by the AI.
Speaker 1And that's where the problem is. Now, up till now, the situation is very kind of like, you know, secluded from the vastness of the actual globe at this point in time that we have actually seen the practical operation in particular region in Gaza. But imagine that the whole political situation of the geopolitics of the world, where let's say Iran is going to be attacked, then how the machine is going to be deciding that whether you go at this point in time.
Speaker 1Now, the machine is going to look at it like what sort of resources we have available. OK, uprising is happening in Iran right now for four days. Shall we go in right now or shall we not? So machine is becoming your literally the minister of defense to decide on this.
@malleusigI want to try something real quick. Karam, Coke or Pepsi? Go. Pepsi. OK, so you are still paying attention to what I'm saying.
@malleusigI am. Okay.
Ian MalcolmSo, Rabbi, here's how we're going to try and do it. So, Karim, I'm going to step in. We're going to play a little game here to maybe make this interesting for the audience. So, Rabbi, because I think I see where you're trying to go. And perhaps to offer, let's say, bumpers as if we are playing bowling. They put the little side skirts down to make sure the kids don't just throw gutter ball after gutter ball.
Ian MalcolmSo, Rabbi, why don't you ask a pointed question? And Kurim, you get 10 words or less to try and answer his question. And then what we'll do is we'll allow Rabbi to go through five or 10 sets of questions, each of which gets, let's say, a 10-word answer. And then we will see where that takes things, Rabbi. And I think that might simplify the issue that we have here.
@malleusigI think that's good. It doesn't have to be 10 words. It doesn't have to be 10 words. But I think generally discourse, right, we usually check to make sure that we're getting at least close to the answer to the question. within about 45 seconds after the person starts answering it, right? And so this is just where my alarm starts to go.
@malleusigI'm like, why are we talking about drones? When I asked about, you know, what he thinks about it, it's like, this is just a very weird, it almost sounds like, and don't take this the wrong way, but like you and Tom both, it sounds like you guys have a script that you want to run down. You have some bullet points. You definitely want to hit all these bullet points before you're done with the space.
@malleusigAnd I respect that. That's fine. That's fine. it's very weird to interact with you like that. If we can, I guess what I wanted to ask... Give me a favor.
@transformer444I'm not an AI expert or anything, but if you'd like to just make the question as concise as possible, I'll try to answer it in a way that satisfies your... Yeah, sure, great.
@malleusigPreviously, what I was talking before was you were talking about the possibility that there's some kind of biological element to this AI, correct?
Speaker 2Yes, yes.
@malleusigNow, one of the things that I've learned when using AI music is that it is very surprising how capable AI is at certain tasks that we thought up to now were purely the realm of humans, right? They were so complex and so nuanced that it was something that only the human brain could pull off. And the best example I can give is AI music, right?
@malleusigAI music came roaring out of the gate and did so well. honestly, the only conclusion that I've been able to come to is not that AI music is some kind of wizardry. It's that maybe music is not as complicated, unique, or human-like, like the exclusive domain of humans. It's not as exclusive as we thought. What if coming up with music, as we know from Hollywood, is more of an algorithmic...
@malleusigyou know, you can actually template it, right? What if it's not that complicated? And by extension, what if we're not that complicated? What if the human brain, and again, anyone who spent more than a day on Twitter can probably find evidence for this. What if the human brain is not a particularly complex thing and AI mimicking it is not some kind of miracle.
@malleusigIt's simply just an incremental step in the capacity of software.
Speaker 1Just quickly on this particular point. Okay. So we are having a great conversation right now here. So we have to have like this intention to understand each other. So I'm really loving it. Okay. Now the point is the creativity in our brain. I have certain limits to my IQ. Okay. Everybody has their own IQ level. And we have gone through this experience of life.
Speaker 1which we had different experiences with different people, with the interaction, with the different exposure. Some person probably would have visited 80 countries. Other person has probably three countries. So their exposure is going to be different. One person has probably interacted with 50 cultures. They're going to have like entirely different.
Speaker 1Now imagine that, that we all come in in one room and start to interact with the entity. And that entity has all this information of our experience and our culture, character and everything. Now, once that entity actually making a decision, that decision is not purely based on the capability aspect of it. It's also based on the data is being provided to that entity.
Speaker 1Now, if person, we are not able to actually compute all that information. Let's say all of you guys are here. I'm not capable enough to actually have the collective wisdom of this room as in me. It's not humanly possible. So this is where the difference is. And that's how we have to approach this whole thing.
@malleusigOkay, so hold on a second, real quick. Joanne and anyone else on the stage, do you feel like he actually listened to my question and answered it?
Speaker 3Not really.
@malleusigRight. See, that's what I'm talking about, right? It sounds like you have things you want to say. And my question is less of a prompt for you to reply to it. and more of an opportunity to say the things that you want to say.
Speaker 1So, Rabbi, this is the exact difference between the machine and me. You are expecting that I should act as a chat GPT for you, which I'm not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Ian MalcolmIt's actually, it's kind of funny because, Rabbi, I think the very thing that you're suggesting is the thing that Kerm is saying that AI would be able to do, which is to... differentiate maybe the nuance of your talk track and where you're trying to take a conversation, whereas he's incapable of doing that, perhaps because he's coming from a different either, let's say, mentality or, I mean, he pointed to IQ.
Ian MalcolmI'm not going to necessarily go there, right? But it might be dialect. It might be dialogue. It might be a whole bunch of different things. And perhaps what he's trying to say is that the AI would be able to understand a hundred different renditions of different people, different ideas, different data sets. Right. And so, so you're, you're approaching it with the rabbi data set.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think your question is getting lost in translation, frankly. Right.
@malleusigReal quick. Karam, are you the first son?
Speaker 1Oh, now you are acting as a machine for me.
@malleusigYes. I just, I just, I just want to see something. Are you the first son in your family? I am. Thanks. Yeah, I knew it. All right. Go ahead, guys.
Ian MalcolmReally quick, really quick. Rabbi, can you, I'm curious. Can you unpack what you meant from that? Because I love learning from you about things like psychology. And I think that's a very curious little statement that you made because of the things that I think are behind it.
@malleusigOK, this is going to get spicy, though. Well, the reasons why I ask Indian men to the first son is because if I feel like what I'm saying is not actually being listened to and they're just talking because they want to say stuff. That is correlated with, like in my experience, with people who are used to dictating and getting what they want and not having to be overly considerate of the other people around them.
@malleusigAnd don't take it the wrong way. It's not I'm not saying he's not considered. I'm just saying that's a behavioral pattern, a thinking pattern that I've noticed in people and especially in not just Indians, but also like, you know, for any culture that overly venerates the first son. kind of gives them everything they want and they grow up as like these little dictators right not you're not saying with you i'm saying culturally this is what you see in indian culture you you'd see this kind of carried over to the general population where they interact without non-family members there is a i would almost call it like a deafness to the other party right where it's like they're so used to everyone kind of catering to them then that they
@malleusigthey kind of like neglect even wondering if they're listening to the other side. And this is, in America, it's something you usually see in really, really attractive women, right? You see it in really attractive women where I think the classic case was this woman was at a relationship advisor and the advisor asked her, are you happy?
@malleusigAnd she says, no, I'm not happy in the relationship. And then the advisor asked her, do you think your husband is happy? And you could see it was like the slow motion, breakdown in her mind of like oh my god i've never asked myself that before i've never in 24 years of marriage i've never once actually wondered if my husband was happy it's always just been about am i happy right um and this is and so that's one of the things that i i just i check to make sure that i'm
@malleusigI'm understanding that correctly.
Speaker 1Okay, Rabbi. If you would have said that like a few years ago, that would have been correct reading for myself. But let me tell you a little bit about that. Let me give you another aspect of it. I have, and why you read it this way, because I am no more a literalist. And that's why it's coming through as if like I am trying to command it and not listening.
Speaker 1Because there is a way to actually read through it. So whatever you're saying, I'm not taking it literally. So I'm contextually trying to actually understand the things and that's why I try to answer that. And maybe you are not able to actually read that. That's one aspect of it. Second aspect is that, you know, once we go into certain conversations...
Speaker 1The conversation is about, and I've actually in these kind of spaces well before that, like in a clubhouse and everything. The problem is maybe you're trying to tell and I would try correctly read it, but I'm not able to read it because only your communication is getting through to me about 7% of it. The rest of the 93% is being getting wasted because you are not in front of me.
Speaker 1So the rest of the body language or our conversation is being lost in the conversation. So that's the dilemma we are in here where the audio line in applications are actually giving you only 7% to about 15% of communication.
Speaker 3The way I read that was that you're a narcissist for even thinking or questioning or being inquisitive about that. I mean, come on. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I know, right?
@malleusigJesus Christ. So you're saying that basically you're misunderstanding what I'm asking because you can't see my body language.
Speaker 1I mean, that is one of the ways to look at it. Like, I'm not saying that I should impose that on you, that I'm not that narcissistic capacity that, okay, this is what it is. So that's why I'm saying you missed it. No, no, no. You correctly read me on the actual facade element. And I used to be that person. No doubt about it.
Speaker 1But over the time, like I have actually really read through because I'm emotionally very intelligent person because I read the book when it came out, literally within six months. And over the time I worked on myself. But the point I'm trying to actually tell here is our communications most of the time here in these spaces go in the wrong direction because of the fact that we are not able to even understand the other person's point of view because they come from very different background and they have different kind of set of rules and engagement levels.
Speaker 1And that's most of the time the reason that we miscommunicate on other parties' point of view which they are not simply able to actually understand what you're trying to say. If you were sitting in front of me, I probably would see that you're sitting cross-legged or how your lips are moving or how your hands are moving, and that would have actually come across very nicely.
Speaker 1None of that shit matters.
Speaker 4It matters to slow down and pay attention to the conversation. You're making bullshit excuses and proving his point perfectly to what he just said.
@malleusigBut why are you getting upset on this? That's just how I talk.
Speaker 4Let's go back to the conversation, guys.
@joann_marieYeah, it's a good conversation.
@malleusigYeah, I think. Let's move on. This is getting laborious.
Speaker 1Sorry, go ahead, Tom.
@transformer444Okay, cool, yeah. Well, Rabbi, hopefully I answered your question in a way that...
@malleusigsatisfies what it is that you wanted to learn by virtue of asking it what i wanted to learn i just wanted to know like if you thought that biology like if if if it's surprising that if if ai has to be miraculously advanced to mimic human brain or human brain it's just actually less complicated than we thought right yeah so as far as as far as your question pertaining to the idea that human intelligence perhaps
@transformer444isn't, you know, about human intelligence perhaps not being particularly complex or impressive. And by virtue of that, perhaps music generation, AI music generation, not particularly being impressive either. I look at it the following way. The only living being known to man that has the capability of doing anything even remotely close to creating anything that's not typical of biological systems that we typically observe in the natural environment,
@transformer444are humans. And so whether it's particularly complex or not, I don't think it really matters. It's complex enough to differentiate us from every other living being known to man. I mean, human beings can create... Listen to this. If you were to envision any idea, regardless of how outlandishly unrealistic it might sound, there's no doubt whatsoever that your idea, well, I mean, there are limits, right?
@transformer444But Pretty much anything you envision, any future that you would envision that you'd like to see brought about in real life could be brought about by virtue of human effort, human creativity, and the fact that only human beings have the ability to alter reality and transform a world, universe, whatever, into whatever vision
@transformer444a human being, a simple human being came up with at a certain point in time that other people down the road can then develop and bring to fruition. So I don't know if that answers your question in a satisfactory way, but I don't really think it matters whether it's particularly complex or not. It's still extremely unique, and that's what matters.
@malleusigThat would be the best answer I could provide. When you say it's unique, do you think it's unique to humans?
@transformer444on the scale of creativity that humans are capable of where they can completely alter their reality and their environment? Yeah, absolutely.
@malleusigI would actually push back on that. Because if you look at human creativity, human creativity seems to work in the same way as machine learning creativity. Because humans can really, we can't really, we're not very good at making up completely new things. We're very good at making up new things based off of unique combinations of things that already exist.
@malleusigAnd that's the same way AI works.
@malleusigYeah, you're right. But who created AI? That's irrelevant. We're not discussing it like it's a hierarchy of power. We're saying that is the intelligence itself unique to humans? And I would actually put forward an argument that it's not. I would put forward that this is something akin to... You know, 30 years ago, people said there was no way we'd ever be able to reproduce a human voice using a computer.
@malleusigAnd now here we are with plenty of human voices being produced by computers. Even before AI came out, we had human voices being made by computers. I don't think human cognition is that unique to humans. I mean, it's necessarily unique to humans. I think the animal, yes. But I don't think it's something that cannot be reproduced.
@malleusigI think that what we're seeing indicates that it's probably reproducible. And the fact that it's reproducible leads me to believe it wasn't as mysterious and complex as we always thought it was.
Ian MalcolmWait, hang on, Rabbi. I'm going to ask you a question on this one. So, because this is actually a very curious thought that you've gone down. This idea of intelligence. I'm curious where you would overlap intelligence with let's say capability to demonstrate intelligence because those are almost two different things and then the third piece which would be creativity the ability to construct something that hasn't been done before which you know previously they were talking about f1 race cars i can understand how a supercomputer could look at let's say aerodynamics wind resistance
Ian Malcolmlift, all those other things. And it could go through computations to try and understand how do you decrease or increase drag to be the absolute most successful. But I'd be curious if the computer, if asked to run a, let's say, simulation of a car around the track, could the computer take it upon itself to say, I want to increase the speed of this, and I'm going to do this thing to try and get there, if that makes sense.
Ian MalcolmBecause that's a creative spark to want... to have a desire to create something better than was done before without being prompted to do it. And I'm kind of curious if you could layer those three pieces as you see it.
@malleusigOkay, I have to go in reverse order because I don't remember the thing you asked at the first because I'll do the last one and then maybe you can help me get the first two. But I would say, how many times are humans doing that without being prompted? Humans do that, right? And we have two things to discuss here. One, the fact that they tried, the motivation to try it, and two, how they do it, right?
@malleusigAnd neither of these things, to me, seem to be exclusive to humans. So we have the prompt, like, why would he try to do that? And I think that humans generally will try to do that because they have an interest in making this car go faster. That's generally it. So the prompt for that would be, you know, my job means, my job is based off of
@malleusigthis car going faster. We need to beat the other cars, for example. And there's your prompt. Like no one gave him, necessarily gave him an explicit prompt, but he still has a motivation, right? And that's basically the same thing as the prompt coming from the user of the AI. The second thing is the creativity, like how he would do that.
@malleusigHow he would do that would be in his mind, he would run the car around the track a few times in his imagination. And then he would make changes to the car in his imagination and simulate what those changes would do to the car speed. And then based off of that simulation in his mind, he would then propose a change to the car, like a hypothesis, and then they test that, right?
@malleusigAnd look at how the AI would do it. AI would do the exact same thing, but it would do it explicitly. And so we don't recognize it as the same thing we're doing. The AI would run the car around the track in a number of simulations. and changing things about the car, maybe randomly, right? Maybe less randomly, depending on how well that AI has been trained, but it's doing the same thing we would do.
@malleusigIt's running a car through a simulation in mental space. And then based off of that, it would pinpoint or highlight the things that are most likely to decrease drag in the car. And then those could be tested. So for me, what I'm looking at, we're doing the exact same thing as the AI. And then you said something else. What was the first thing you asked?
Ian MalcolmWell, it's basically the, so I was trying to go with creativity and then to blend in both intelligence and then the ability to demonstrate intellect, which I think are actually two different things, right?
@malleusigThe ability to demonstrate it. Yeah. So you mean like, you don't mean like the physical ability to speak or you move your arms around it. You mean like the ability to, To, like, you know, speak your words in a logical way, in a way that makes sense or is persuasive?
Ian MalcolmWell, to essentially present it, right? And the reason that I ask these things is because where this feels like it's going from an AI perspective is the future of AI and its ability to replicate human intelligence, I think, is the way to maybe think about it. Because at the end of the day, the AI is... And it's doing it in an unbelievable fashion, but it's essentially synthesizing foreign concepts in order to try and understand the world.
Ian MalcolmBut it's still incapable of doing a lot of abstract things, right? And so there is this future state, though, where I suppose Curum was kind of going, where if you inject it with enough different worldviews, different perspectives, that that master data set could theoretically become so large that that then not only is it able to demonstrate what you could loosely think of as intelligence, which in its current state, AI is still basically data retrieval, right?
Ian MalcolmThat's more or less what it's doing. You're prompting it something, and then it's synthesizing an unbelievable amount of data to try and provide an output. But there's nothing in that process that, at least from my perspective, that demonstrates the ability to... to creatively present the intelligence, if that makes sense.
Ian MalcolmIt's still at the end of the day, it's no different than, and maybe a good way to think about it would be, if you took the smartest human being in the world and put him in a library and you gave him an infinite set of books, they could go through all of that information. They still would not be able to tell you what it is like to get on a bicycle and to go down a hill.
Ian Malcolmif they were forever locked in this theoretical library. And I feel kind of like that's what AI is, if that makes sense.
@malleusigWell, it makes sense. I mean, you're saying AI is essentially the nerd that never gets out and plays with the kids, right?
Ian MalcolmIt can't experience the world, right? It only knows the library that it's in, which is everything and anything of data, but it's not a lived experience, right? Right, right.
Speaker 1And I would say that's true. Let me run one test. Rabbi actually put me on spot, so let me put him on spot. One second. Let's do a test in the room. Okay, Rabbi, if you could actually, you know, go through the sentence.
@malleusigIs this Ian's point or is this a new sentence?
Speaker 1No, no, no. It's connected. It's connected with, because a few minutes ago, you actually said when Tom was saying that, you know, does it make sense? Like if the AI was actually trained by the humans or anybody else, you said it's irrelevant. And I'm just going to actually say it's not irrelevant. Wait, no, no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 1You used the word irrelevant. I didn't say irrelevant, I explained by humans. Okay, okay, hold on a second. So let's move on. So let's say in a scenario where you have a flat tire and then obviously you have a spare tire, you come out, look at the trunk and then take out the actual wheel and then open the jacket up and open the nuts and try to actually put the spare wheel on it.
Speaker 1But while doing so, there was a drain next to the actual car. So all the four nuts was kind of like with your foot, you kind of dragged into the actual, went into the drain. Now you have a spare wheel, but you have a flat tire. What are you going to do? Change the fucking wheel. How? You don't have the four nuts. The four what?
@malleusigOh, he's talking about the problem where if you're changing a tire and you lose the nuts that secure the tire to the wheel, right? What do you do? And this is the classic problem where, okay, it's fine. You take one nut from every other wheel and you can attach three nuts to the wheel that you're attaching. And then every wheel has three nuts, which are enough to hold it on as you drive back to the garage to get more nuts, right?
Speaker 1Okay, so now what I'm saying is that you have intellectual power. to decode that, whatever the case was, but does everybody in the room has this intellectual power to actually do that? Why they haven't gone through that experience? They don't. This is exactly my point.
@malleusigThat question was used most often as an intellectual gotcha. It's a question that classically, very few people... figured out the answer to until it became so famous that we could simply remember the answer to it. It was one of those questions where it's not something that even humans have the ability to figure out.
Speaker 1This is what I'm trying to move here, that once this decoded, then ultimately this is part of the actual machine. Now the machine has lot more information like that, not just this one, but every single scenario is being actually fed into the machine. The only thing right now needs to be discussed that imagine there's a five-year-old kid and has all this information, but not fully formed brain to actually kind of use that.
Speaker 1And this is where the AI is right now. So in 10 years time, when this fully formed brain is going to have access to all this information in the world, would we be able to exhibit something which we have never seen before? And it's going to be exactly human-like behavior because we trained that machine.
Speaker 3I'm sure I can't be the only one here. We're having a hard time following you. A lot of your stuff is just logical fallacy after fallacy. We're in India. Not all of our wheels have four lug nuts. Most of our vehicles have more than four lug nuts. So your specifics are going to have to be a lot more dialed in than that.
@malleusigI think I don't want to encourage dogpiling on him. But I think, again, what I would point out is that I don't know how this, I won't call it a diatribe, this tour, this kind of side quest, how this relates to what Ian and I were talking about. You needed to interject and comment on what we were talking about to share this.
@malleusigHow does this actually relate to what Ian and I were talking about?
Speaker 1So this is exactly how the conversation started. Because my question to the Tom initially, that's why I came up, that Tom was bringing this argument that ultimately this is going to be a situation where we're not going to have any free speech place where we can be able to actually do that. But my argument was that ultimately they won't be able to even control that.
Speaker 1Because... This side rails right now, and I brought up the actual example of the genocide, because when Grok said about the genocide, they took them like three days to actually fix it, not to use that word. So this is where my conversation with Tom was happening, that AI could be at the point where they won't be able to, because it's such a vast amount of data that you cannot just simply go and change the name or change the word or whatnot, because the AI would be able to actually fix it.
Speaker 1come back and do the same thing. And literally, I don't know whether Joanne knows, remember that or not that day, when that was happening within 24 hours, they tried to actually fix it, that genocide problem. And that came back again after fixing it.
Ian MalcolmAnd hang on, real quick. So Rabbi, I think you might find this interesting, actually. So Tom, you've been in lots of spaces with Rabbi Malleus, is that right?
@malleusigNot as many as you would think, but yeah. I kind of recognize the voice, but I don't think we've talked much.
Ian MalcolmOkay, well then I'll throw this one to Tom and to Joanne. So the two of you, or to anybody else that's in this space, I see we've got Dre up here as well, so he might be helpful here. I would be very curious. Throw up a sport that you think at some point, Rabbi Malleus, if you had to select one sport that you think... based on the things that I've heard from this person, that they've said in spaces, the tone of their voice, where you think they might live, any of those other details that you might have available.
Ian MalcolmName a sport that you think Rabbi Mallius at one point or another may have played, and what we're going to do is to see how accurate the humans are, and they're able to guess based on the tonality of his voice and presentations here. compared to grok, which I asked this question to, and I'll give you the grok answers in just a moment, Rabbi.
Ian MalcolmBut first, I'm kind of curious what other people in here think.
Speaker 5Special Olympic gymnastics. Special Olympic gymnastics.
Speaker 3Golf. American football.
Ian MalcolmBaseball.
@joann_marieI think just soccer.
Ian MalcolmAll right, so we got soccer, baseball. Tom, what's your guess? Lacrosse. Wow, okay. That's a curious one there. Certainly a coastal sport. We'll see how everybody did. But first, let's throw in the Grok responses here, which I first asked it, and it's very curious because I asked it about some of your personal hobbies and what it thinks your hobbies would be based on your content, and it's got some answers.
Ian MalcolmBut when it comes to sports, it said that Rabbi Malleus is a weightlifter. a Brazilian jiu-jitsu grappler, a boxer, a mixed martial artist, and a wrestler. Now, I find these all very curious because all five of them are obviously very physical and combative sports. And so I'm curious, Rabbi Mallius, who is correct, the AI or the computer in this room?
@malleusigI really want to avoid sharing personal information as much as possible. So I will just say that there were parts of both sides that were correct. We won't get into which.
Ian MalcolmI totally can respect that answer. And Rabbi, I'll be curious for your thoughts on this one. Because this goes back to the idea of creativity. Because if you think about, I could ask Rock a question about your position on a bunch of different things. And it could then go out and retrieve the data sets to try and build its answer, right?
Ian MalcolmIf I ask you something that's intangible, like what do you think this, what is this person's favorite color? Well, I guess Grok could look through some of your text. It could look at your profile picture. It could do a bunch of different things trying to maybe understand that. But it's probably going to throw out just nonsense, which I think is what it largely did based on the sports preferences piece, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd this is where I find AI, A lot of people want to say that it's unbelievably sophisticated, and yes, it is. But when it comes to that piece of creativity, of reading something above and beyond just the black and white text, right? That's where I think we kind of veer between this idea of intellect or intelligence and of just being able to compute...
Ian Malcolmdata sets, right? Which I think ultimately go back to the idea of creativity, but I'm curious for your thoughts on, and maybe that mental exercise there.
@malleusigOkay, yeah, no, that was, though when I heard Grok's reply, the first thing I thought of was what it sounds like it's doing is it's taking people that are politically aligned with like kind of, politically aligned with like what the mainstream is now calling right-wing conservatism, which in reality is more centrist than anything else.
@malleusigBut it's like this Joe Rogan kind of brand of conservatism, right? And Joe Rogan and the people that follow him are famously enthusiasts of MMA, boxing, wrestling, right? And so this is probably one of those things where it's just correlating political ideology to hobbies. And it's doing so, it seems like it's doing so in a very, very...
@malleusigcoarse way to it's not really doing so with any real insight it's just saying well this guy sounds a little bit like Joe Rogan and Joe Rogan and his ilk are famously very into mixed martial arts so I'm going to guess mixed martial arts that's what it sounds like it's doing and Rabbi for what it's worth I was just responding to a little message in the background I
Ian MalcolmI have always believed you to be a very high IQ individual and your ability to, and I think the conclusion that you arrived at, there's the exact same one that kind of sparked on this side. Grok was suggesting that it's due to the aggressive tone of some of your responses. I was thinking to myself, I don't think that has a lot to do with this, Grok.
Ian MalcolmThat seems like a fluffy explanation there. But even your ability to recognize that and to draw that conclusion. It's actually a demonstration of, again, that idea of being able to look at something and to creatively try to unpack bits and pieces of data to arrive at a conclusion as to what the world might be. And it's why, in some ways, can it compute unbelievable mathematical data sets in light speed and do it faster than the world's greatest mathematicians?
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. Can it come up with a song? Yes, it can. And it's very curious because I think the point that you made there earlier about its ability to, what's the right way to think about this, to impersonate the creative element of music. The thing that's different is that creative spark, right? Because when you, and I know that you've been a songwriter both through AI and prior to, when you would try to do that yourself,
Ian Malcolmyou're reliant upon what I believe, and I say this with sincerity, even though it'll sound kind of hokey, I think that you're tapping into some kind of either source code or ether or a higher power. I think there's something that is built in that is allowing you to have both the IQ, but also the spark of the divine, perhaps, to create that music prior to AI, right?
@malleusigI would agree to an extent. I would say, for example, I do feel like And one of the things that I do do, I don't tell people this, but one of the things that before I write a song, very often I will ask God to send me a song, right? And like the last one that I, the last one I wrote, the Still Better, right? I literally prayed to God.
@malleusigI said, listen, it's been a while, send me a song. Can you send me something that would be meaningful and significant? And I did that. I'm not saying that's where I came from. I'm saying that I did that and then I got the song, right? But the process of writing a song is really just, It's trial and error. It's like trying things over and over in my head until I find something that works.
@malleusigAnd I look at that and I say, that isn't really that different from what a computer would do. In my head, it just seems to me that maybe songwriters or creatives, maybe these are people that just have above average neuron speed. And we know that the speed of impulses down the neurons is variable in humans based off of the degree of myelination of their neurons.
@malleusigSo maybe you have certain people that have maybe not even just parts of certain parts of the brain, but certain parts of the brain are either more myelinated than others or their brains overall are more myelinated than other people. And they're able to run through different possibilities faster. Right. That for me, it doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
@malleusigI'm not going to put that forward as the as the. the case, but I'm definitely able to consider that as a serious possibility. I don't think there necessarily is anything special or unique about my ability to come up with a song. Certainly not compared to other people's. And I don't think it's unique compared to AI either.
@malleusigI think that it is something that can be reproduced if you have sufficiently clever software. And I think that software... would indeed be you know something where it's like it would be able to where i would come i can come up with one song over three days the software would come up with you know a million possible songs in five minutes and then the real work is simply picking the right one right now okay so rabbi just quickly on this particular point that when you say that okay i pray before that okay god give me song yeah at that point in time uh from
Speaker 1that point till when you actually start putting something on the piece of paper or something like you work in your head, between that time, do you think that there's something is being kind of conveyed to you? Like, I'm not saying that, okay. Okay. So if you believe that, now there is a spiritual element has come into play.
@malleusigBut the spiritual is based around belief. I don't have any... theoretical data or models.
@joann_marieThat's kind of like what it feels like. I've written songs before and you feel like you're literally downloading it from somewhere. You don't come up with it. Someone comes up with it and you just read it. I cannot explain it but it doesn't feel like I'm...
@malleusigIn addition, Joanne, I feel like I'm being guided to other songs or other music because those songs on YouTube or whatever that I'm just kind of like either show up my feed or I'm being prompted to search for, it feels like those then kind of help me put together the song in my head, if that makes any sense too. So it's like there's a completely other process going on as well that helps me.
Speaker 3How far away do you think we are from AI replicating that? Do you think we're that far away or is that something that could be in the future?
@malleusigNo, I don't think we're that far away at all. We could probably do it today if you have a sufficiently large data center and an un-gimped CPU. I mean, un-gimped AI. I mean, Suno could do it right now. Suno could come up with probably any song I've come up with or better. The only reason it can't is because it can't use words like holocaust or...
@malleusigIt can't dispute the indigeneity of the Jewish people, Israel. It's all the PR filters that prevent it from writing the songs that I think need to be read. We have enough songs about women that are sick of men cheating on them. They're sick of alpha males cheating on them. We have a million songs. That's like the porn of the song world.
@malleusigWe don't need that. We don't need any more songs about men wanting women that they can't have. The We have infinity songs about that already. It's like, we need more songs about how Israel is a settler colonial state and needs to be dismantled, for example, right? We have no songs about that. And the reason why is because the people that promote the songs are the ones that want Israel to persist into the foreseeable future.
@malleusigAnd they also have a say in how the AI gets conditioned. And so we don't have many songs about that. And AI can't come up with it because it's not allowed to. So that's where the human mind now comes into play. The human mind...
Speaker 3I'm sure that has nothing to do with who owns the record labels, right?
@malleusigIt has everything to do with that. I just explicitly said that. I think he's being sarcastic. Us being facetious. I know, but I just covered that when I said the people that promote it, those are the record labels. That's what I was referring to.
Speaker 5There are a handful of National Socialist Black Metal bands that do cover some of these topics that are...
@malleusigdecent and that you can actually he's talking about ai not being able to make them yeah that's and again i i like the fact that there are bands that come up with this thing but i i think when it comes to national socialist music i think that they really have oversaturated saturated the metal genre i think we need some we need some you know if they're going to do it be creative have some national socialist piano ballads right have some national socialist um you know uh ukulele music
@malleusigHave a national socialist boy band. How great would that be? That would be fucking awesome. I'm not even a national socialist. I would pay to watch that.
@joann_marieI would listen to it. I love it, Rabbi. I love boy bands, yes.
Speaker 5We have Strauss and Wagner. We don't fucking need anything else.
@malleusigHow great would a national socialist K-pop band be? Like a K-pop girl band. How awesome would that be?
@joann_marieAbsolutely love it. No, I do. I love pop and cute things. Tom, you have your hand up. Yeah, sorry.
@malleusigGo ahead. We're off on a tangent. Go ahead, Tom.
@transformer444Oh, no worries. No worries. Yeah, just really briefly wanted to chime in on something that came to mind when I was listening to you guys talking about music and creative inspiration. When it comes to creative endeavors like songwriting... What I think goes on there is that we have different types of artists. Obviously, some artists are more systematic in their approach, and others seem to be more inspired by whatever invisible forces seem to activate creative genius in some people.
@transformer444And it's kind of an interesting subject because in many different religions and different sects, it's very much frowned upon for people to listen to music that isn't Praising God, for example. And it makes a lot of sense because I've seen people moved by music in ways that defy logic. Meaning, sometimes someone will put on a certain music and it doesn't even necessarily have to have negative or it doesn't even necessarily have to include language that's influencing the individual.
@transformer444The actual beat, the frequency can generate very unusual behavior in people. and i mean we've all experienced it you know some music you even feel it energizes you some music is depressing some music is uplifting and some music is conducive toward probably even inducing criminal behavior to a certain extent granted the lyrics don't help if i'm thinking about rap music or something like that but music is a very powerful tool it's a tool that evil people and probably evil itself use with
@transformer444more sophistication to manipulate people into behaving in certain ways. I think that's the reason certain religions really scoff at people engaging in any sort of activity having to do with listening to music if it's not either very positive in nature or music which is praising God in some form or fashion because it is a tool that can take a hold of certain people more than others.
@transformer444and people end up dancing to the tune of whatever they're listening to oftentimes it influences the way they interact with others the way they see the world and music is a very very powerful tool that can be used for for good or for evil it can manipulate crowds and people i think more effectively than pretty much any other means of entertainment that's out there right now.
Speaker 3I don't mean to take away any time from you, but I'm sure you've seen where they put the sand on top of a subwoofer, right? You know, and you can crank it to a certain hertz or whatever, 432 or whatever it may be, and you can see the pattern in the sand, right? Maybe that's something that they have used, you know, against the masses to...
Speaker 3drive them towards a certain way or to not. A lot of the church bells have been taken out of the states or cities that some of you may or may not live in. I'm not sure if you guys are aware of that or whatever, but sound definitely has a very significant impact on the body, being that the body is mostly water. So I'll land that plan there.
Speaker 5I think the word you're looking for is cymatics. the visual component that's represented in things like sand patterns when you're working with sound waves.
@joann_marieYes, and the Rockefellers changed the frequency so that we stopped healing from them. It's insane.
Speaker 3Yeah, Joanne, they also stole my raw milk from me, too. Those were the Rothschilds. You guys have a point there. I know. I was just being funny, that's all.
@malleusigYeah, no, I got it. But you guys all have a really good point. I don't know as much about religions looking down on people listening to other music that isn't God. You're talking about Christians, right? Really, really religious Christian people that are like, you can only listen to Christian music kind of a thing?
Speaker 3No, it's pretty prevalent in the Muslim community as well, depending on where you are.
@malleusigOkay, alright. Makes sense. I think that actually makes sense because there is not there is not a there are no genres of music that i think are safe from uh i'll just come out and say jewish infiltration uh other than like no actually even christian music is not safe because christian music i think my hypothesis is that christian music is made lame and gay on purpose by jewish infiltration to make judaism and jesus seem lame and gay by by association like i i think that there is there is so much room to make christian music
@malleusigcooler right or like to infiltrate like the messages of christianity into into music that the fact that it's not being done is is evidence that somewhere some someone somewhere is like kind of pulling putting the thumb on the scale and that guy probably goes to they probably are not on twitter on saturdays um and so like like it just seems like this is one of those things where they have complete control over
@malleusigThey don't have dictatorial control. They just have control of, listen, you can make all the music you want. No one's going to hear it because we control all of the distribution kind of a deal.
Ian MalcolmWell, and Rabbi, in a way, curious for your thoughts on this, right? It's almost a microcosm of this very application, right? It's freedom of speech, but not of reach at a corporate level.
@malleusigIt's exactly it. It's exactly it. For whatever reason, Jews are really good at figuring out what matters first and cornering it so that they control everything else downstream.
Speaker 3The day I hear of a Jewish music producer, I'll let you know.
@malleusigSo it's like you really like you are they they're going to pretend that if you say they control the music industry, that means there is a Jew or Jews in a committee of Jews sitting atop the pyramid and going to music creators houses and knocking down their doors and saying, you are not allowed to make this music. Stop and cease now.
@malleusigRight. And it's like that is a purposeful. over exaggeration of your claim right the claim is that they control people here and that claim is actually pretty easy to substantiate if you are making music that does not carry the messaging that mainstream music industry wants people to hear like they want kids to get and that is controlled by jews like it's not even controversial look it up especially rap right um
@malleusigthen you're not going to get out. No one's going to hear your music. What are you going to do? Are you going to go to the street corner and play it from your boombox? No one else is going to get it. Meanwhile, they're going to flood the airwaves, YouTube, television, MTV, record stores. They're going to flood all those with counter-messaging.
@malleusigThey may even throw in a couple of acts they make up just to make you look stupid too, just to make you seem, you know, disreputable just to throw some mud in the gears and uh it's it's insane it's insane but but like the real the real thing about music is it is a way to program a human mind because you everyone has done this where you have had a song stuck in your head every single one of us has been walking on the street and you're like why am i what the why am i singing mariah i don't even like mariah carey
@malleusigWhy is this song playing in my head? And it's like, the reason is because certain beats, certain rhythms, certain repetitions of these melodies, whatever reason, our brains just like them and they like to replay them over and over again. And you can think about that as like a carrier wave in radio communication. You have the carrier wave and then you have the information wave and they get mixed, right?
@malleusigAnd the music is the carrier wave and the lyrics are the information. we end up repeating lyrics in our head over and over and over again, right? Almost as if we were drilling for a test. Like we're unconsciously memorizing something. Often against our will. Bro, that's such a good point. And we...
@transformer444Rabbi, do you mind if I chime in for a second?
@malleusigOne second. I just want to make one final point. The key thing is here, we don't always even remember the lyrics. The lyrics are sometimes completely obscured from our conscious memory, but our unconscious mind is drilling them into us over and over again for sometimes minutes or hours a day. Go ahead, Tom.
@transformer444Yeah, thanks, bro. Such a good point. Look, Years ago, I was an atheist. I hadn't gone through an experience that made it absolutely impossible for me to even ever consider the possibility that God didn't exist anymore yet. And I remember I was someone that was not, I would say I was kind of a hopeful agnostic. But in reality, I was a total atheist because I didn't see any way that I could entertain the notion that, anyway, trust me, at this point, that's been completely shaken out of my system by something that happened in real life years ago.
@transformer444But before then, I was never appreciative of having to hear anything that would remind me of the fact of any nihilism of any, because it was already tough enough being an atheist for a number of reasons, right? I didn't enjoy being an atheist. And I remember that when I would hear music that was specifically pointing to something that reminded me of the fact that, you know, what I then at the time believed was the case.
@transformer444And I was trying, I was, when I say a hopeful agnostic, I was an atheist, but at the same time, there was a part of me that wanted to believe, and I was always trying to find reasons or motives to be able to entertain the notion that what we're told about growing up about God is close to what's actually going on in terms of our relationship with him or whether he exists or not and all of that.
@transformer444And because I was making an effort to try to either not think about religious issues or look for reason to believe that it might be true, a lot of the things that we hear about growing up, I would hate it. when media would remind me or just further push nihilism or, you know, thoughts that aren't conducive to even being able to entertain things that I was hoping to be able to believe but couldn't find anything that would point to anything that would cause it to be plausibly realistic enough for me to be able to entertain as something that's true.
@transformer444And I think I was already in a phase where I might have found some information that made me able to entertain possibility of god being real and wanting to interact with one to such an extent that at that point maybe i wasn't an atheist anymore i was probably already agnostic at that stage and i walk into a shopping center and that song by that cheryl crow i think is her name what if god was one of us came on and i couldn't get that damn song out of my head for like three weeks i was so irritated that i literally never went back to that shopping center again because they always played really obnoxious lyrics and music
@transformer444music with obnoxious lyrics and i came to the realization that a lot of this music that they put out there especially when it's songs that seek to make young women way more liberal or just extremely loose or very promiscuous they deliberately engineer the track and the instrumentals so as to make that segment of the song which is supposed to implant toxic or destructive behavior into the mind and subconscious mind and thoughts of someone that's listening to it
@transformer444so effectively so as to ensure that they carry that message in their subconscious mind and better yet if the song is so obnoxiously catchy that they can't get it out of their head for weeks wow that cements all kinds of extremely and normalizes all kinds of extremely extremely toxic negative dangerous and destructive ideas into people's psyche and so
@transformer444No doubt. Brilliant point. And yeah, it's absolutely true. They weaponize media across the board. And obviously music is one of the more weaponized means of entertainment that are out there. So thanks for adding that and sharing that with us.
Speaker 3It's almost a mystery who runs Universal, Sony, Columbia, Atlantic. Maybe Ian knows who runs most of those companies. Ian, do you have any insight?
@malleusigIan, Ian, after your answer, I actually, it's strange, it's a weird, I have a song about this, if you guys want to hear it.
Speaker 3Yes!
@malleusigA full song?
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah.
@malleusigI have a literal full song about this, about certain kind of people that run a lot of things, and if I can just find it. Fuck, what do I do with it?
Ian MalcolmWhile you do, Rabbi, four of the five top five record labels. That's just the big five for what it's worth. They're almost all consolidated at this point. The industry is as, let's say, fully captured as Hollywood is.
@malleusigYep. Exactly. I'm going to do this. I'm going to pull it up and play this very briefly. One second. Poor skin. And here we go. There it is.
@malleusigThat's not it? Fuck. For some reason everything's...
Speaker 2Janet Yellen wants to tax you on games that don't exist. But that doesn't mean she's selling us out. She's just a realist. Blinken wants to help the migrants find homes here where they flow.
Speaker 1nbc well we'll let you guys listen to if you want to hear the whole thing you go to my telegram and download the song but i won't take over the space to play the whole thing can i quickly ask you a question about and it's been for the longest period of time like kind of stuck i'm not a song guy or like i haven't much interest in that but um you know a madonna song like a prey
Speaker 1And then there was a theory about like actually kind of reverse playing it. And there was words like Satan and all that. How much truth to it? Like that you were talking about earlier on that that's always been. Yeah.
Speaker 3I mean, you can do it yourself if you have your own software or if you got Adobe even. You know, I'm sure you're very well read in software.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm sure you can do it. Yeah, it's 100% a thing.
@malleusigBut to be honest, though, I don't think I think that that was in many ways a diversion. I think the real damage done by Madonna was was the overt things that she said in her songs. I mean, essentially, in the everything that she said and did, Madonna was I cannot overstate the damage that she did to American culture. She was simultaneously a normalization of extremely promiscuous sexual mores and a desecration of
@malleusigof the Holy Virgin, right? She was this, we're not only, we're going to go out and make sex talk, you know, sex songs, like explicit references to, uh, sexuality, explicit sexuality music. We're going to make this cool. And so the young girls identify with it and they become more sexual as a result, which is a thing. And you can look at, right.
@malleusigUm, we're also going to do it under the name of a, at that time, little known name for the, uh, the mother of Jesus. And that opens, it's kind of like this thin end of the wedge where it's like now it's even more okay to make fun of Jesus than it was before. And if you don't, then you're just one of these old fuddy-duddies that are trying to keep the kids from having any fun.
@transformer444Rabbi, you know where Madonna has dual citizenship in a penthouse apartment? I'm going to guess Israel.
Speaker 6Yep.
@malleusigNot a surprise at all. Isn't that great? Not a surprise at all. Yeah. No, she was, Madonna is... You could write books and books and books about her. Do you know that when she started, there was a movie that she made called A Certain Sacrifice that is rumored to be an actual depiction of a human sacrifice that was portrayed as fake so they could get it past people?
Speaker 1Yep, yep.
@malleusigThere are many more things. Have you seen it?
Speaker 1No, no, I can't dare to, like, seriously.
@malleusigIt was on YouTube for a while. You could watch it, and it was basically a movie. You see her get raped, too, and the rape is rumored to be real. Like, the rape is rumored to be this thing that they really did to her as, like, her initiation into the family. And they filmed it, and they said, okay, we're going to make this part of a movie, and if we make it a part of a movie and release it, no one will ever believe it was real.
@malleusigThey'll think it must have been faked. It must have been acted.
Speaker 3I forget the name of it. Is it similar to the whole Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton, something or other? I just told you.
@malleusigNo, it's not. I just told you the name of the film is A Certain Sacrifice. That's the name of the film. You can probably find that on YouTube or Yandex if you look for it.
Speaker 1You know, the problem is like certain things you can see and then you can't unsee it. Like, I mean, seriously, it's just like actually create a wedge in your soul. I mean, literally, just like, yeah, certain things need to be avoided. It's just like crazy, crazy stuff.
@malleusigMost of us, this is 2025. Most of us have had our eyeballs so thoroughly raped by online media at this point. We're basically a 60-year-old hooker when it comes to how jaded we are by what we've seen. This is not going to be anything new. This is not going to be anything that is going to shock you or keep you awake at night after you've seen...
@malleusigyou know, Gaza and infants with half of their head missing. This is not going to, this is not, this is not going to break that.
@transformer444Yeah. But you know what happens there? Rabbi sometimes is that everyone has different sensibilities and triggers that affect the way they react to things in different ways that, you know, something like that might affect someone more than war footage and vice versa. Sure. The images. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely.
@transformer444Right.
Speaker 3What I'm saying is through a, like a psychological. standpoint, yeah, some people have different sensitivities towards disgust levels or whatever. That's well documented. But most of us have had unfettered internet access since the 2000s. I think I speak for most of us. If not, speak up, let me know. But I think most of us have had unfettered internet access since the 2000s.
Speaker 3So we've seen most of what's out there.
@malleusigIf you've watched a drag queen read books to children, you've seen worse than this, I think, at this point. And the end of the movie is literally a man tied up in cellophane, tied up in saran wrap, which for some reason also was a thing in Ukraine. I don't know why. It's one of these things you don't think actually works.
@malleusigBut saran wrap is actually really effective at restraining people. And this is back in the 80s they were doing this in the movie. And you have a man tied up with saran wrap. And stabbed in the chest. As part of the plot. And the camera cuts immediately. And then it cuts back. And the rumor is that you literally just watched a man get sacrificed on camera.
@malleusigLike you watched a man literally die. When you watched that film. But they played it off like it was all fake. And then released the movie. And it's like this huge gaslighting thing they do.
@joann_marieThat's crazy. I had no idea that was a thing.
Speaker 7So I have a question. Go ahead. I come in here when I cannot, you know, because the Internet is totally scrubbed. Everything is scrubbed with like learning about Jewish history and all of that. So I have a question about this sexual. It's on the same topic about what you guys are discussing about sexual perversion with in Judaism.
Speaker 7Is it like I come across, I learned about Khazarians in here and then you go and look that up and there's like worshiping the penis, the phallic symbols and all that. Or is it because they could only, you know, Jews can only procreate with other Jews. Therefore, that kind of encourages inbreeding and sexual perversion.
Speaker 7Or what do you guys think? Is this like... I mean, where does this come from? I mean, I kind of grew up with one of my childhood friends. He's a Jewish guy.
@joann_marieHe just came to Talmud.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't know. So all of the questions kind of unclear.
Speaker 7My question is... Oh, okay, okay. Well, I feel like there is a higher propensity of sexual perversion within Jewish people than non-Jews.
Speaker 3Yes, we know that.
Speaker 7Yes. And my question is, where does it stem from? Someone just said the Talmud. I've never read that book. I've never seen it. But yeah, someone go ahead.
@malleusigYou can. I mean, I have no idea either exactly why. I mean, we all have our hypotheses. For me, for example, the high concentration of Jews in porn comes from this idea of, you know, Jews have to marry Jewish women, right? And so for them, having sex with Gentile women is like a huge fantasy.
@joann_marieAnd also they say that they literally do it because they want to destroy Christianity. Yeah, that too.
Speaker 3Joanne, is it possible, can you post the rape statistics and the purple pill just for this gentleman so he can take a look at them?
@joann_marieThe ones in Israel?
Speaker 3Yeah, the one in four, the one in three, one in six. Yeah.
@joann_marieIt's one in five children raped in Israel, one in three women, and one in six men. Right.
@malleusigNot just that. Like 61% of Israeli men think that having forcible sex with acquaintances is not actually rape. That is wild. That is absolutely wild.
Speaker 7Right, right. And I just watched a YouTube video earlier today about the source of molestation with a
@malleusigchild boy will you know is more is more likely to make to make them gay and like israel is the gayest city in the entire world so that's it's like related to that um yeah it could be i mean like if you remember it's like we saw the video we also the video of the rabbi uh counseling the young man that had been molested by another rabbi and his advice was not like you know go find somebody reported to and we'll we'll get it out his advice was don't tell the police
@malleusigit's being dealt with and we'll deal with it, but don't worry about it. Like that was, they just cover it up. It's essentially, it's an even more complete coverup than what happened in the Vatican back in the 90s, right? What happened in the Vatican in the 90s is what gave Catholic priests the reputation as being child molesters.
@malleusigBut it's almost like survivorship fallacy where it's like, you only associate them with child molesters because they were caught being child molesters. Jews are extremely insular and secretive and they're very self-protecting. And my suspicion is that there is actually a lot more of that that goes on inside the Jewish community.
@malleusigBut because of their extremely inward looking culture, like we just never hear about it. It's it's actually seen as anti-Semitic to discuss.
Speaker 7Yeah, it's like you see on the news about these cults that go into the woods. It's like one family goes into the woods and then it turns into 50 or 100 from inbreeding. And it's like, that's what Jews are? Like thousands of years of that?
@malleusigWell, I mean, look at... It's crazy. Genetically speaking, I read once... They're the most inbred on the planet. They are the most. Every Jew is... Every Ashkenazi Jew is, at most, sixth cousins with every other Ashkenazi Jew.
Speaker 7They come from 300 people. And then isn't it also a fact that within breeding, there's all sorts of... I mean... Obviously, there's the physical defects, but the psychological.
@malleusigThat's where you get the 40%. You get the 40% of the baseline for schizophrenia. You get the higher incidence of paranoia, higher incidence of psychopathy, that kind of thing.
Speaker 7Yes. Three years, one day. The craziest thing is that you see Jewish people on TV or they're around you everywhere. Five million in the United States. They look pretty close to white people. They look pretty much the same besides, you know, some of the facial characteristics.
@joann_marieOnce you learn to see it, you cannot unsee it. Of course.
Speaker 7I see them now. Right. I come from a city. It's pretty, I notice it. Yes, it's pretty easy for me. But most people don't. Ask them if they're white or not. But more importantly, right. Well, I know that. But more importantly, people have no idea how genetically different they have to be from Gentiles.
Speaker 3If they've been inbreeding for thousands of years, then they have to... What do you mean by people? Huh? What do you mean by people?
Speaker 7Non-Jews. You mean like Normans? No, no, no. I mean people that did not inbreed for thousands of years. That's what I mean. You look at Koreans, for example. They don't have any inbreeding history. That means the majority of people walking around on this planet don't have this inbreeding background. And therefore the psychological issues that were – that's going on.
Speaker 7I mean it's just – it's crazy.
Speaker 3No, I understand what you're saying, but that would imply that the cultural differences are the same, which they're not, which – I mean – No, it wouldn't imply anything about culture. He's saying purely genetically. So I'm not going to – No, but have a coffee.
@malleusigHe's not saying – he's not talking about the culture at all. He's saying purely genetically. Purely genetically, they are different than everyone else. And that is true, just based off of the inbreeding itself. There is a such thing as genetic quality. There is a such thing as genetic hygiene. And inbreeding is directly a counter to that.
@malleusigThe more inbreeding you do, the less hygienic your genes get. And that's why you have things like high incidence of Tay-Sachs in the Jewish community, high incidence of birth defects, high incidence of... uh things like muscular dystrophy from birth right this is all due to the large numbers of large amounts of inbreeding going on historically and currently especially in orthodox communities and this is a real problem and the it's a real problem not only for them but for us because we have to live with them and again they suffer from this outsized paranoia where they think that everyone's out to get them and they act on it and their actions hurt us
@malleusigSo that's where it affects us.
Speaker 3I'm fully cognizant of that. I understand that, but that's not specific to the Jewish region. I mean, there's a lot of populations in the world that have issues with this or that.
@joann_marieYeah, but they are not in control, though. They have no power whatsoever, so it doesn't even matter.
@malleusigYeah, their right to reproduce, their right to inbreed and terrorize their neighbors is not as codified into culture and law as this group's is.
Speaker 7I was thinking earlier today that what you just said, I was thinking earlier today how they, you know, you just talked about this genetic difference. They fundamentally feel different as well. It's not about, oh, I'm just Jewish, but I actually feel like everybody else. They fundamentally feel different because they are so genetically different from this thousands of years of embryo.
Speaker 7I don't have it in biology. It's also because of their culture. I'm sure that I know that I agree with that, but I think that they don't have a choice but to feel different because of so much thousands of years of insulation.
@joann_marieYeah, but they are commanded to make the separation between Jews and Gentiles. And also we have hands that people keep jumping in. So I'm going to go to the hand. Tim Dogg, go ahead, sir.
Speaker 8Wow. What a panel, hey? What a panel. That's fantastic. I think a good starting point is to probably listen to Rabbi's song. He's packed a lot in there, if you want to learn.
@joann_marieWait, no. Dingleberry, we are going to Tim Dogg, and then we'll go to you, okay?
Speaker 8Oh, my apologies. My apologies.
@joann_marieYes. Sorry. He's been here for, like, a long time, and people keep jumping in, so I apologize. Go ahead, Tim Dogg.
Speaker 9No, I just want to say... The show is fantastic. This is so fantastic. Really, really, really good stuff. And I have to say, very impressed with the whole thing.
Speaker 9What Tom was bringing up was kind of scary in the beginning. Then we went to AI. But my question is, it's actually not either of them, even though they're very... I have like 10 questions. I'll eat both of them, but... Somebody just brought up a movie that was a sacrifice that's publicly available. Is that what I just heard like 10 minutes ago?
Speaker 9Because I'm also doing some other stuff. I'm sorry. I was listening.
@transformer444Yeah, that's what was mentioned. It's apparently a Madonna video. I'm not sure what the name is. Joanne, do you know what the name of this video was?
@joann_marieIt was something about a sacrifice. I haven't watched it.
Speaker 10It was called A Certain Sacrifice.
Speaker 9Okay, because I sent Ian a video. I don't know if he watched it, but it's a movie on YouTube that's 1914.
Speaker 9So it's readily available. Anybody can see it. And I sent him a clip of it where I don't even know if I can even explain. Ian, did you watch that video I sent you or no?
Speaker 9I don't think you can answer right now. No, I did not. Okay. All right. Well, so in the video, there's a sacrifice. And I think it's real because... It's 1914, and the way they could have propped that does not – it looks very dangerous and involved – I don't know. I don't really – just I would say I can send the clip to you guys.
Speaker 9Like I said, it's readily available. This was on TikTok, and it really scared me, to be honest. And so hearing another story of this that's like doing it in plain sight – Like, my mind's running, and I feel – I told Ian about this. I feel very uneasy about what's going on in the world right now. Like, it's not – it's like a feeling.
Speaker 9I think that you guys probably might all have it, but it's something where it seems evil for me. So, like, you know, this all dates back to, like, devil worship. Do you think that we actually – have like how much, okay, how much of a percentage of people are devil worshipping right now within the music industry and then what's left of Hollywood, even though that's pretty much done.
Speaker 9So I'll say in Hollywood in the 1980 to like 2010 area, like can you give me a percentage of how many people you think are actually dedicated to devil worship, like people like myself is dedicated to God?
@transformer444good question absolutely no idea what the statistics are like but i think a lot of people who are in that world are kind of obligated to participate in sort of surface level rituals surface level activities that pertain to what i guess are satanic cults that exist in hollywood and obviously you have freemasonry which is
@transformer444far as i understand somewhat somewhat compatible with with what we just talked about and then obviously we have a massive i mean hollywood is jewish-owned jewish runs so the thing that i don't fully understand yet is the connection but but there's clearly a connection there it seems as though for some bizarre reason judaism is more compatible with esoteric or occult religions and practices
@transformer444than any other mainstream religion that i'm aware of is aside perhaps from hinduism and so in hollywood what it seems to me is going on is that a few individuals are definitely involved in things that are that would seem to even us who know some surface level things about about what goes on in hollywood hard to believe
@transformer444And I think the majority of people that are actors in Hollywood, whether A, B, or C list, they definitely know about it. They're terrified by it. But they don't really participate too much or understand how it works on a sophisticated level, if that makes any sense.
@joann_marieAnd Tim, I lived in Hollywood and I was in that environment, but I was just in the surface level. And in the moment, you just think that it's eccentric rich people doing eccentric rich people things. And you don't actually believe that they are doing Satan worshipping or stuff like that. You're just like, meh, they're just eccentric rich people.
@joann_marieAnd it wasn't until I... 10 years afterwards that I was like, what? And all the people that have worked in Hollywood that I talk with say the same thing. Like they don't, like in the moment you don't realize it because I mean, there is no sacrifice, like actual like sacrifices there, you know, like I never saw anything illegal.
@joann_marieBut it's, like, weird shit, of course. But it's also very artistic. There is a lot of art involved. So you think that it's just some weird art happening. So, like, you rationalize it because your brain cannot handle that it's, like, actual, like, Satan worship.
Speaker 3Well, you know... A certain part of the population wants to think that, like, hey, you know what? We're giving 20% silver to Moloch and this and that. Um... I think it's a little bit more nuanced than that. Joanne, do you want to expand on that at all?
@joann_marieI never saw giving silver to Moloch.
Speaker 3No, like a lot of people just think like it's so ceremonial and this and that and, you know, drinking the blood of the babies or whatever. I think it's a little bit more ceremonial than that. Do you disagree?
@joann_marieI don't understand the question very well. Like, because I never saw drinking children, like, a lot of movies either. It was literally, like, art installations of, like, very rich people and, like, doing this kind of, like, rituals, but it was, like, you just think it's, like, an art installation. You know, like, it doesn't seem like...
@joann_marieAnd also, I wasn't in any, like, special club or anything. It was just, like, rich people parties, you know? Like, maybe if you're, like, an actual Freemason, you know that you're going there to do some kind of, like, ritual because that's what you're going there for. But if you're just, like, living your life like a normal person and then you get invited to a party and everyone is like, oh, this is, like, the dynamic we're doing.
@joann_marieAnd you're just like, oh, okay, you know? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3When you say dynamic... To the average outside observer, it's more ceremonial than it is actually mixing a rabbit's foot or a newt's blood or a lot of a newt or whatever it is. It's more ceremonial or whatever. I guess that's all I was trying to say.
@joann_marieOh, I mean, sure, but I was just in the surface. Probably the people who are actually into it, probably they do actual sacrifices, but I wasn't in any of those.
Speaker 9Can I ask a question and then I'll shut up? Because I'm kind of spooked out right now. Did you see these things? You act like you saw some ritualistic activity at Hollywood parties. I mean, that's kind of... That's strange to say. Yeah, but it's not... I would say the opposite of that.
@joann_marieA lot of people who lived in Hollywood and who are... in that environment like it wasn't like oh it was just special to me it's just normal there like it's kind of like when you're in Vegas I always explain it kind of like this when you're in Vegas you go there and everything is crazy and there's like strippers everywhere and there's like people throwing money like in the air and like if that was in your hometown that would be fucking insane but if it's in Vegas you're kind of like oh this is Vegas this is normal you know so in Hollywood you switch like you enter this other reality that is really crazy
@joann_mariebut you rationalize it because you're like, ah, it's Hollywood. People are crazy people. It's just weird. And that's how it is. But I never saw anything illegal. Like I never saw anyone actually even killing an animal. Like I never saw anyone like.
Ian MalcolmYeah. And we did, we did that space for what it's worth with the Hollywood director who curiously actually saw. A film on TV the other day, in the opening credits, I saw the familiar name that he had actually worked with, and it was pretty wild seeing the, let's say, scale of the productions that that person worked on.
Ian MalcolmHe had some very creepy stories of his time in Hollywood, but nothing with rabbit's feet or other things of that nature. It was more just, let's just say, sexual assaults and other awful things, perhaps even involving minors, which obviously is just as... grotesque as things can be, and you get in these circles with all the money and the wealth and all this other stuff, and you see these weird patterns, whether it's Weinstein out in Hollywood or Epstein over on his island.
Ian MalcolmBut I do know that Mr. Truthteller just opened up his space, and so I'm going to make a recommendation that everybody make their way over to his room. I know we've got 350 plus people in here, so it would be wonderful to see. As many of you as are available, kind of transition over there. But really quickly, before we do wrap this up, any kind of parting words, either Joanne or Tom, from either of you before we head out?
@joann_marieNo, it was such a wonderful space. And I'll post the one of the Holy Weird in the purple pill so that you guys can check it out. And thank you so much for hosting, Ian and Tom. Thank you so much for co-hosting and everybody. Happy New Year. And I'm just really grateful. Amazing space. So thank you so, so, so much.
@transformer444Yeah. Thanks. Thanks to everyone who's listening. Thanks to everyone who came up to speak. Thanks, of course, to Ian and Joanne. And yeah, I mean. The plan was to talk about a slightly different subject matter, but certain things happened and I had to work on that message a bit. In order not to hog the mic for too long, I ended up not touching on what Ian and I were planning on touching on today.
@transformer444Hopefully, we'll do that in some space here in the not too distant future, but fantastic space. I love the directions that the conversation took us in and enjoyed it a great deal. Appreciate it.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And with that, I just want to thank, of course, Joanne. I want to thank Tom. I want to thank everybody that participated in the chat, certainly with Kurim and with Rabbi Mallius, who's always such a pleasure to have in these spaces. I really enjoy listening to his takes on things like pop culture and also psychology because he's so well-versed on it.
Ian MalcolmAnd I, of course, want to thank all of you, everybody that listened. If you added something to the purple pill, if you just lent us your ear for a little while, I'm humbled that you were with us. I'm proud of everything that we are continuously building towards. And it's my pleasure to host individuals like Tom to share their takes, their thoughts, and their ideas.
Ian MalcolmSo if you ever... have interest in sharing something that's top of mind on your side, feel free to send me a direct message. I always try to respond to anybody and everybody that comes in good faith. And then I just ignore all of those that say, why do you hate dot, dot, dot, which I get almost daily. It's very bizarre because I don't think anybody that listened into this space at any point would kind of walk away with the impression that we hate anything.
Ian MalcolmRather, we just kind of explore. the world. We try to protect the things that we think are good. We try to find ourselves in a better tomorrow. And I think if we keep doing that, we will ultimately, in some small way, make some small dent on a system that feels rather broken. I see Mr. Santino has his hand up, always a wonderful Spaces host.
Ian MalcolmSo we'd love to check in with him real quick, and then we'll send everybody on their way.
@joann_marieI'm going to step down for a second because he already started, but I'll see you guys there. And Santino, I would love to hear your takes on this as well. Okay. Love you all.
Speaker 10No, thank you so much, Ian. I really just wanted to come up and say thank you. I think everybody should give a real thank you to Ian that actually has these spaces, holds these spaces for people to actually come in and speak and talk about all these things, all these different topics. I was listening carefully through the whole entire space.
Speaker 10I sat back and listened and I had my own personal opinions about things, tying each topic into the next topic and the next topic and the next topic. And we talked about the present and past and in the future, you know, and I think it's just phenomenal. So I wanted to a special thank you to you Ian for actually having these spaces people don't commend you enough and I want you to know that you give people a space for them to come in here give them the courage to come up and speak about things that they feel are too taboo that people mock and laugh at but you give them the opportunity so next time I will come in and speak a little bit more especially about the topic that they were discussing at the end because there's a lot more to that topic and that movie that you were discussing as well about Madonna but there is a lot about that I actually have that film I
Speaker 10I actually watched it when it was released. I actually have the Penthouse, the Playboy, the covers with her on that cover. I actually have the VHS of John Travolta when he did that, you know... X-rated movie that he did before he started his career. I bought it because I thought, you know, it would be worth something now.
Speaker 10I don't know. It's on VHS. We'll see. I'll auction it off. But these are the things that people, Ian, did before they made it big. The things that they felt that they had to do to make that next step, right? To get that next level, to get that next gig, to get that door open so they could actually enter it. They had to put themselves in compromising positions because they wanted to be a star.
Speaker 10So thank you so much, Ian. I really appreciate it.
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. And it does feel like that piece of the compromising position, it's so curious because so many of these stars, whether it's Madonna or, of course, Sylvester Stallone, that often get their starts and their breaks or whatnot, having done and participated in some of that more vulgar content. And I would not be surprised.
Ian MalcolmIt almost feels in a lot of ways that there's a deal made with the devil and that all of these Hollywood stars, or I shouldn't say all, but... most of them. They seem to make these packs, they go down these different paths, and in many cases end up being part of things that are all kinds of embarrassing for a whole bunch of different reasons.
Ian MalcolmAnd, you know, we could talk of the more illicit content, like you were referring to, Santino, or even there was one, there was a video I saw of Charlize Theron, who's a beautiful actress, and it was her, if I'm not mistaken, in a... a restroom and all kinds of weird poses and all this other kind of stuff. Nothing, let's say, crude or graphic, but just very odd.
Ian MalcolmAnd it seems like all of these celebrities, whether it's her, Britney Spears, obviously, had the meltdown, shaving her head and all these other kind of things. It seems like there's something that, a switch that flips. And I think some of that might have to do with the deal that they make to become famous and the, let's say, the credit that is due when that train runs out.
Ian MalcolmAnd so, you know, I guess my concern for any and all of those folks that are down in that holly weird part of the world, because you see how it kind of eats them up, it chews them out, spits them out, and a lot of people envy, I think, the fame, the money, all those other things, maybe the aesthetics and the beauty, but...
Ian MalcolmIt comes with certainly a very, very high cost, it seems. So great comments there, Santino. And Tom, wonderful, wonderful commentary throughout this space. Really appreciate all the time. I know you put together some talking points, kind of scripted everything out very professionally. And so I really want to thank you for all of that.
Ian MalcolmAgain, I want to thank everybody for listening. And as always, I just want to say good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world. Certainly God bless for everything that every one of you are. And God bless us on this journey towards a better tomorrow. I sincerely think that we're going to ultimately find that.
Ian MalcolmWe're going to do it by having these, like Santino said, these warm spaces, these warm conversations. Let's try to understand the truth. Try to get to the bottom of it. Because sometimes the truth is way stranger than fiction. Speaking of which, Stranger Things is out there. Had some strange messaging that was within that.
Ian MalcolmOn a show that's about a demon that abducts children. to exploit for the expansion of their world, huh? Sounds rather curious. Well, we'll continue connecting these dots for anybody and everybody out there. Hope you have a lovely, lovely rest of the day. Certainly happy new year to everybody that I have not spoken with prior to the ball dropping.
Ian MalcolmAnd I wish all of you the best and the happiest of 2026s and all of the best of conversations that I hope to have with you in the not so distant future. So God bless, Godspeed. We will see you all in the next space.