White Unity: HALO Lodge & Heritage Americans

1:06Ian MalcolmWell, alright, we're gonna give, Andy a second here. I see that he's hopping up right now. And Joanne, I'm gonna send you a co- well, it looks like we've already got a co-host invite out there. And, we'll play just a little bit of, of music here in the background as, we give everybody a, a chance to kinda settle in. And so looking forward, and I see we got a couple other folks that are requesting. Please feel free And Joanne, I'm gonna send you another co-host invite in case that's not working. X has been glitching a whole lot, but, I think we've got a couple other individuals, if I'm not mistaken, that may be joining in here momentarily. So like I said, we'll give them just a second to hop in, and I'm gonna put on just a little uplifting, moralizing music leading up to what I think should be a moralizing conversation. And I apologize if this is gonna be nerdy, but, trying to, trying to inject something that's of A little bit appropriate. So Joann, I'm gonna try that one more time, see if we can't get the, technology working here. And as we do, I hope everybody just enjoys a little bit of background music here for us.↗

3:05Ian MalcolmAlright, alright, alright. Again, wanted to add a little, little uplifting, thematics to this, and, I'm gonna switch the microphone over. There we go. Joanne, did that come through okay, by the way? I know the audio, anytime you try to play music, it usually comes in a little bit crackly there.↗

3:22@joann_marieIt, it was okay, but it wasn't as good as, as it could be. I don't know why, and but, thank you so much. Thank you so much for hosting and, and I can't wait to learn more about, about Halo.↗

3:34Ian MalcolmYeah, absolutely. And, gonna be very curious for the conversation and, for this, I, I just wanna thank, Andy for, for the request, the suggestion that we do a space on this. very excited to always try to offer a platform that I can to anybody that's out there trying to make the world a better place, heal the world, if you will. And, so with that being said, not only extended the invite He also requested, and I thought it was a wonderful idea, to bring some of the individuals from this program directly onto the space, so we will be hearing not just from one person, not just for their perspective, but also that of the organization at large, where they've been, how they came to be, where they're trying to go, and what you, as the listeners, can do either to support the initiative if it resonates with you and with your worldviews, and perhaps even to prospectively get involved. And I say this because 'Cause, we often get the question, cases around the JQ, asking what people can do, what's going to come next? It can't just be ideas, they say to me. and to them, I say, actually, I think it can. Because the world is starting to notice the JQ, the ideas that we have been sharing are starting to become more and more pronounced in far right and, in prospectively, some left wing circles. People are starting to notice that there's a common denominator behind the insanity, and if you needed another reason, well, I've got ten billion of them, because just today, Donald Trump apparently authorized another ten billion dollars to go to the reconstruction Of Gaza. That's right. They're not going to rebuild your cities, your community, your people. He's not gonna give you the wall he promised and the ice mass deportations that have never actually materialized nor happened. What they have done a really good job of is building what appears to be a executive, branch led military program with tens of thousands of armed agents all across the country that they're not in line with or- Aligned to the local law enforcement, they aren't part of your community, they are merely foot soldiers of the federal machine. They're getting funding via things like Palantir, where they're also getting, of course, their databases, and that's all coming from you, the taxpayer. So right now we live in a society where literally you are being fleeced so your money can go to rebuild Gaza after your money, your rockets, and your citizens were sent to go and literally mass murder and genocide the children that were there to begin with, and after further destroying all of the land, all of the people, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. We didn't just have to pay for the genocide, you now have to pay for the rebuilding as you're simultaneously paying for the establishment of this essentially militia so that they can come to your house, knock on your door, and tell you that you are being an anti-Semite for caring. That's the world that we live in, it's the one that people are starting to note and ask. The result, I will always, as I've said for a long time now on this platform, suggest that yes, ideas are far more powerful than those bullets. They go-- they go far further than the dollar bills that you might spend. And as a result, it doesn't matter how loud their megaphone is, we ultimately are going to win this intellectual war. But as we do, we also need to address the cultural realities that this is throwing on all of us, which in the world that we find ourselves includes mass migration. And for what it's worth, I know there's some that, that will detract from this and suggest that it's not happening, but the overt anti-white animosity that the media pushes out, that even the likes, oh, by the way, not just of Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, but even some more mainstream commentators are starting to say, "What's with all this anti-white media?" And it's like, well, where have you been the last couple decades? It's been right in your face with every advertisement you see, every movie that you watch, certainly every piece of media from the mainstream broadcast networks. They are demoralizing you at every turn, and I suggest that because what we're going to hear about today is a group that is taking the opposite approach. Much like, the individual Eric that we had the pleasure to speak with, an absolute hero and champion, who is building the Return to Land project, I believe that the heritage The Heritage American program that is Halo is taking a similar stance, trying to moralize, just like that music at the beginning of this space, trying to lift you up. Because at the end of the day, everything that you see, and this is a very scary reality, it's not just the television and your smartphones, it's also the architecture that you walk through, and it's hard to even call it that at this point. If you wanna look back at the past, at brutalist architecture, it was designed to essentially be soul-sucking. To make you feel like a widget in a, in, in what is essentially a schema, to make you feel like a robot that's part of a bigger machine. That is what all of this architecture is designed to do, to ruin you, to ruin your morality, and to ruin your aspirations for a higher tomorrow, which was antithetical to the cathedrals of yesteryear. When people walk through a beautiful city like Rome, you walk through Venice, you walk through London You're not gonna look at the things that were made yesterday, you're gonna look at the ones that were made hundreds of years ago, because those people had a moral compass. They cared for God, in many cases specifically, they cared for Christ, and they built things to that, to this very day. Inspire individuals to fly across oceans, to go across countries, and certainly go, to go to nearby cities merely to marvel at them. It's all about being moralized. That's why you get excited if you see the Sistine Chapel. Your spirits are being lifted, your soul is being lifted, and you're looking at something that is downstream from a far better civilization than the one that we live in today, not because of the people. Our people are inherently the same, but we are lorded over by psychopaths that happen to come from a group of people that want you demoralized, nebulized, and certainly fear the idea of you banding together. Not because of kinetic violence, but because if you band together with like-minded people, you too will aspire to build up your community, to build up your mind, to build up your soul, to build up your body. To go out and exercise, to learn, to read, to think, to pray. That's what they wanna get rid of. And so Halo is, at least from what I can tell, trying to do the exact inverse. Again, I'm very excited and humbled to have some of the members here. If you do have questions, you wanna comment throughout the space, certainly throw up a mic request, we'll bring people up, we'll probably do about an hour overview, including again, what this organization is, where they came from, where they're going, and then at the end of it,↗

10:35Ian MalcolmAndrew, Jackson, let's just go with the full name there because gotta love old Hickory. and so with that, let's go to you, Mr. Andrew, for a little bit of background on yourself, the individuals that you're here surrounded by, and feel free to call out anybody else that does come into the space that you wanna make sure to bring up onto the panel.↗

10:54Speaker 1Yeah, thank you, Ian, and Joanne, thank you, both for hosting and co-hosting here. very excited to talk about this project. A lot of, man hours have gone into bringing it to where it is today, and I wanna get into that. you know, I, I will note, so, William is he on stage? And, we also have- Okay. And, One Tribe, if he reca- if he, requests, he's one of our guys and Gavin.↗

11:24Speaker 1so, yeah, to, to kind of parlay off what you just described there, it's an abandonment of our interests for other interests, and, as, as heritage Americans, as we define it, it's, you know, Americans of European descent, and we know that can be, you know, and identities, some others do, a- Adopt, we have a very specific, vision on what Halo is and, and who it's for.↗

11:54Speaker 1I'll, I'll note that the website for the organization is very, very transparent. you know, the, the crafters of the messaging wanted to be as upfront about what we're doing as possible, so that, one, we don't have to answer a lot of questions, as to, you know, the nature of it. It's, it should- Be very plain, what we're about and what we're doing, from the information on the website. with that said, you know, the members of Halo who are coming up, we are ambassadors, not exactly spokespersons, but ambassadors of this. We are all members ourselves. We've all gone through the vetting process and have been selected to, to, be ambassadors for the message of what Halo is.↗

12:44Speaker 1it, you know, for background It spawned out of a lot of conversations to your, to your points earlier, a lot of ideas, right? We've been talking about stuff for years, I've been involved in these, in these conversations for years about what is going on first, right? W- what are the problems we're facing, what are we seeing, and then what can we do about it? A lot of different takes, a lot of different takes on, on solutions, some are marching in the streets, some are collectivizing for Political, you know, e-endeavors. Some are creating, as you discussed, Eric and, the return to the land project, organizing, real estate, investment for families to collectivize. So a lot of different, ways people are going about, trying to figure out what is a solution to the problem. And I don't know that there's one single. I think that maybe all of them are necessary, all of them are good because They all take a, a, a bite of, of the bigger elephant here to try to do something for our people. I think ultimately, we have a, a set of complaints, that, you know, are, are very valid and, and common among all these different groups.↗

14:06Speaker 1the, the one most important one that you discussed just a moment ago is politically we're abandoned. sure, we can, we can vote But for what? You know, even if you vote for the guy who says, "I'm gonna do mass deportations," and then it doesn't happen, oh, it's gonna be the guy who's gonna solve the economic problem. Well, I'm still paying way too much at the gas tank and for my food. So what is actually, you know, working and what's not? and so I don't shame anyone for trying everything in the toolbox. what Halo is meant to do is operate on On a framework, that is known as the lodge system. the lodge system is, is ancient to our people. you see manifestations of it in the Elks Lodge, the, the Benevolent and Protective Order of the Elks. You see it in the, Knights of Columbus. You see it in, some form in the Rotary Club, all sorts of, of, organizations. They've been long, you know, long standing organizations doing Work in a certain frame, but what has been left out? And who, who have we seen to be the target of a, a, you know, what we declare at this point is a visible and direct attack on a certain demographic of people, and, you know, things like the compact article that came out last year really said, "Oh, you know, we're gonna admit, yeah, this is happening, yeah, it's happening to you." And, I mean, I don't know if they were saying, "Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it," or if they're saying, "Hey, you should try doing something about it." But being involved in a group of men who don't just talk about things, but actually do things, we said, "Why don't we do something about this and, and use existing, you know, we don't have to reinvent the wheel, use an existing framework, and, start to act for the benefit of a group that has been marginalized, excluded, From economics, politics, and academia for a long time. we know for, you know, a big effort through DEI and CRT and such that's been happening over the past ten years, but has this been happening a lot longer than that? Is some argument there you might, that it might be? You mentioned media, you know, and this goes into our list of grievances. you know, those list of grievances are our drivers, we'll get into those and what we're all seeing as a problem and a, something that's happening outside of our control, and it says, "Well, if you can't just change that, if we can't just take control of the media and the politics and academia and the economic structure, if we can't just take control of that, what do we have?" Control over and, that manifested in, a, a network of men nationwide starting to act in our interests and for those, of our youth who are also, ostracized from opportunity. So we feel like we have a very good program for that, it aligns↗

17:28Speaker 1in a general direction with a lot of other groups that are working on their projects in politics, in, you know, intentional communities, in activism, it aligns, what we're doing aligns with that, but it is very specific to what is known as the Fraternal Benefits Organization, which is you, you become a member and you get benefits. What are those benefits? We, we are, very clear about what those benefits are Are, and we'll get into that. So that's, that's kind of the, the overview there.↗

18:04Speaker 1I, I think Stuper, Stuper Monday is also one of our guys if he's, not up, I know I can't see all the, whether people are on stage or not 'cause the app is what it is. But, but yeah, I just wanted to land it there. If you have any questions or response there, Ian, or I can, kind of pass the baton around to some of↗

18:27Ian MalcolmA, a wonderful approach, and I like the, the thought there of utilize a tried and true formula. And, and you're right, there's certainly a lot of these organizations, some of which we talk about, others that we, we don't, but, you know, they've, they've been out there in some cases over a century with this type of formula. So, so why reinvent the wheel when there's already a perfectly good one to replicate? so I love that approach. I'm kind of curious when it comes to the founding members and maybe some of↗

18:57Ian MalcolmThings that, that I suppose you're both trying to reject and trying to, preserve and internalize. if, if you wouldn't mind maybe laying those out and, and maybe we can categorically walk through each of them, right? And perhaps we could start with the what, what we're rejecting and then what we're trying to, to preserve, and, and in doing so can then kind of take things from there and, and maybe bring up some of the additional voices here.↗

19:21Speaker 1Perfect. Yeah. The, you know, the main things are what we're trying to reject, right? And those are listed as our grievances. halolodge dot org is the website for the organization, h a l o l o d g e dot org, and on there we have listed our grievances, and, and these are things that we think are objective truths at this point. a lot of the members that come in, myself included, read these and go, "Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly what I see as a problem and what we need to do something about. So, you know, in, in overview, there are ten. there are demographic displacement, economic dispossession, affirmative action and anti-white discrimination, cultural erasure and integration, suppression of free association, family and social decay, political disenfranchisement, media and academic hostility, erosion of merit- Hedonocracy and a loss of national sovereignty and purpose. and I can certainly dive into,↗

20:31Speaker 1you know, each one of those or, or if you wanna take one at a time, You know, however you wanna go about that, but I think going through those categories would expose kind of why we're doing this, right? Because if everything was working, we wouldn't have to do this. We would just go have our, our hamburger, right? And, and, enjoy our French fries. but we're in a different place even over my, the course of my lifetime from where we started, and it's, it's becoming painful, and I think painfully obvious. So, you want me to go through, like demographic displacement?↗

21:04Ian MalcolmYeah, A really interesting way to go throughout this, and, and not sure I don't mean to put anybody on the spot, but, maybe knowing some of those core values of, of rejection points, maybe we could go through and, and Andrew, we could get from you the one of those pieces that you think resonated most with you personally and, and that perhaps pulled you to start looking for an organization like Halo, and then just so that everybody that's up here with you, from this group, so they can also kind of add their, their thoughts or alignments, they, they You know, called to them the most, and maybe some of those will be redundant or maybe they, they won't, but it might be an interesting way to go through that.↗

21:42Speaker 1Yeah. I, I, I'll start then. you know, the one that, that really caught me, in the fields is the suppression of free association, right? The, the idea that, White men can't collectively organize for their benefit and interest. I think will go down as one of the most insane ideas in the history of the world. it's, it-- I mean, it's, it's almost as if two guys, two white guys get together, Americans of European descent, as it were, get together, you need a referee to make sure that the conversation stays within certain bounds, and if you get an organization together, you have to have, some kind of representation Of, of an outside group in order to, make it legitimate, and, and we reject that wholeheartedly. we love our history, we love our people. I, I am, my family goes back to the 1600s in the United States. I have ancestors who, who survived Jamestown, if you know the history of Jamestown and the massacre that occurred there and all the death, and, and just trying to, to create A,↗

22:59Speaker 1a community on a new continent. So suppression of free association, is listed here as heritage Americans are denied the right to form exclusive organizations, communities, or institutions without facing legal, social, or economic punishment, rights freely extended to every other ethnic group. I've been involved in politics. There's the Somali Caucus, there's the Black Caucus, there's the Indian Jewish co- you know, alliance. There are, there are groups representing every single other ethnic group, and it, it's-- I was li-listening to the, the World Economic Forum the other day, and, and, there's a rabbi on there who said he answered the question, "Why is it always white men who are, you know, used as..." The bad guy in all the movies, and he said very plainly, "Because they don't have an advocacy group. If we were to put anybody else as the bad guy in the movie, we would face backlash. But there is no advocacy group for the white man." It just hit me like This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is just a factor of the elements. So, you know, free association was really the one that, that hit me the hardest. I just, I do like my people. I've tried for years to collectivize in, you know, groups in my community, and it was, it was twenty twenty that really hit me, when BLM was marching, we were all shut down for COVID, and- The conversation was about how white men caused all the problems in the world, and they were the, the, target for all hostility. And I was like, "Wait, my community, the one I work for, the one I-- the one I put my heart and soul into and try to help everybody here, y-you guys think I'm the bad guy?" I like, so at that point it was a withdrawal, right? It was just a withdrawal from the whole thing. It was like, "Alright, if that's the way it's gonna..." Gonna be, I'm gonna have to find something else because I have two young men who are growing up in this world that I call my sons, and they aren't going to deal with this, if I can help it. and then through that, you find like RTTL, oh no, look at this, just, you know, white people get, you know, collectivizing on a piece of property. Let's go ahead and try to impede that. And you see that everywhere, where, you know, in, in policies and everything, where white Are, are systematically, excluded from advocate. I have a, a friend who was in Amazon, and he was telling me a story about affinity groups and how there was an affinity group for every other group of people except white Christian men, and he, he worked very hard, he actually got the, the organization to, to get a Christian Affinity group, 'cause that was like, legally they were gonna get in the hot water if they didn't. But when he left Amazon, there still wasn't a men's affinity group and there still wasn't a white affinity group. So it's obvious that there is that target, and it's, it's very,↗

26:18Speaker 1it's very hostile, and I think it's very brave of Halo and the, and the men behind it to say, "You know what? We don't need your permission to do this anymore, and we're gonna do that whether you like it or The courage that, that we really resonate with. So that, that's the one that hit me the most, and I'll yield there.↗

26:36Ian MalcolmNo, I love that. And I'm not sure if, if one of the other members of the team wants to kind of introduce themselves and, and maybe walk through a similar, grievance that, I see one tribe has his hand up, so we wanna go there, and then we'll check in with, William, who I think, could go next.↗

26:52Speaker 2I appreciate it, Ian. Joanne, thank you both for, hosting. y-That's the one that hit me the most too, the, suppression of free association, because that, that laid the foundation for all of the other things. all of the other, you know- You know, disadvantages to be, you know, foisted upon our people. it's literally divide and conquer.↗

27:21Speaker 2and so, what I love about, you know, what the men at Halo have put together is it's a structure, it's, it's a, You know, there, there's a, there's a, a formality to it, there's regular meetings, and it's, it's, it's, it's habit-forming for us to associate, it's habit-forming, you know, I, I network a lot, IRL, in particular with, you know, like-minded white men, and but it's kind of You know, it's, yeah, we'll get together when we get together.↗

28:00Speaker 2and, and what this does is really put something on your calendar, oh, I've, I've got a Halo meeting, and that is what that does that fosters that that fellowship and builds those relationships and, fosters an environment of communication and of, you know, you know, sharing these experiences like we're sharing with you now and finding solutions and finding opportunities to help our people, finding opportunities for,↗

28:33Speaker 2for work. I can, you know, Give an example, there's a, I'm in Ohio, you know, there's a guy in Ohio who owns a, a metal fabrication shop and, you know, he's, of, of, of like-minded, Ideology and, you know, it's like I can't find good welders. I'm like, "Well, that's great. Well, let's, let's throw up the bat signal and, and find out if there's, any capable white men who,↗

29:02Speaker 2are looking for work." And, and so in practical application, that's how that works. That's what brings us together. That's what helps our people. it is reversing the- Deliberate process of separating us, of atomizing our people, and it's, it's bringing us together, and through that, we will reverse all of the other, awful things that,↗

29:35Speaker 2our unfriendly earth inhabitants, Can, can I ask↗

29:44Speaker 1one tribal question? One tribal, you, you, you spawned a thought here. Do you think that Indians are just way better than everybody else at, at running hotels, or do you think that there is an organized effort to, to, in, in, engage in that industry, I'll put it?↗

30:05Speaker 2Oh,↗

30:05Speaker 1yeah.↗

30:06Speaker 2Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's, it's organized, it's deliberate. there are special funding programs that we don't know about that, help, help them fund a hotel purchase. They started small years ago, and they would- They would keep their overhead, their personal overhead low because they would live in these rooms while they're managing the hotels, and they would bring other family members into it, and, and they would continue to grow it, and they, you know, they continue to acquire, more and more hotels at Twyce. You know, the same process,↗

30:44Speaker 2has been applied for Indians in, convenience stores, at gas stations, liquor stores, trucking, you know, across the board You know, there, there's these special programs that white men, and white people don't have access to. If you go to, if you go to apply for an SBA loan as a white business owner and you fill out the demographic data and put together a well-thought-out bus-business plan, your odds of getting that are pretty low. In fact, I think it was last year where,↗

31:19Speaker 2The, Jewish community effectively,↗

31:24Speaker 2was able to lobby to be considered a minority, so they're going to be,↗

31:34Speaker 2Have, you know, tremendous access to the SBA loans and o-others funding mechanisms, you know, in addition to the, the benefit they enjoy with, no interest mortgages, and things like that. So, every nationality, every race other than the,↗

31:59Speaker 2the race and the, the heritage of the People whose ancestors founded and built this country have access to, massive amounts of funds, nearly unlimited, unlimited funding, you know, the, the, the, the, the deck, you know, is just, you know, stacked so, you know, so much against us, but, but us coming together,↗

32:33Speaker 2In free association, we'll reverse all that. We will be able to, we will be able to provide and fund initiatives for our people out, outside of, outside of SBA loans or, any other government programs. And that's, that's kind of the idea. the, you know, which kind of leads to, you know, one of the other, benefits of it is having these parallel,↗

33:01Speaker 2inst-- you know, not parallel, yeah, parallel institutions, parallel economies where we, we support, white-owned businesses, first and foremost, using businesses that aren't white-owned, is a, act of last resort, you know, if you gotta, you know, run out for something in a, in a pinch, then, then fine, go to your, you know, whatever.↗

33:30Speaker 2Non-white owned, you know, provider, but, but, but, you know, working with our people, supporting our people, helping them start businesses, helping them manage businesses, providing shared services, you know, for, you know, small business owners, you know, guys who wanna, you know, start a trades business or start whatever business they want, maybe they don't know accounting, you know? We, you know, we've got, you know, folks who know finance and, and know accounting, and we can You know, help them set up their books and, you know, give them some pointers on that administrative side, the business side of running a business. So,↗

34:08Speaker 2so I'll, I'll end it there. Hopefully I didn't, you know, go too far afield. Thank you.↗

34:14Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, that, that was wonderful, and, I, I see that we've also got, Stuper with his hand up and Williams, so we'll go Williams and then Stuper, but one Tribe, I wanna thank you for that, and And look, that idea of, of free association, isn't it curious? He just rattled off a, a number of organizations, of groups, and we could look at things like the ADL, which not only is a group, I suppose, in favor of the protection of, of the Jewish ethnicity in the United States and kind of the Western world at large, but is the full-on attack dog for anybody that dare challenge those interests, right? So it'd be one thing if, if whites were out there actively looking to figure out how to use their unity to undermine everybody, but This isn't that. This is merely just saying we've had enough of being harassed, heckled, and having the entire system and the, the, the deck of cards essentially stacked against us. That feels unreasonable, and the fact that we're not even allowed to discuss that that is happening when it obviously overtly is, and we could look at Larry Fink, the World Economic Forum, which latest, co-president I should say, who while at BlackRock got up on stage and said in a panel interview in a room full of people, "We are going to utilize..." DEI policies and our leverage in the financial sector to force that change on all organizations. To force what change? It was to force things that are demonstrably antagonistic to heritage of Americans, largely white, largely Christian, right? And, and so it, it's, it's just baffling that the, again, not only do you not have an attack dog if you are part of that heritage, heritage community, you're essentially the punching bag that's not even supposed to discuss the fact that you're being pummeled. and so- One try, very well delivered. Let's go to, William, and then we'll go over to Stuper.↗

36:00Speaker 3Yeah. how's everyone doing? hopefully everyone's having a great, Thursday here. I guess I can go on the, about, we have a bunch of list of grievances if you go on the website there. and I can go on about personally the ones that, That resonate with me the most, I suppose, but the main thing that I like the most about this,↗

36:26Speaker 3project, aside from the other points brought up, and I know that One Tribe kind of went over some of the, not benefits, but side projects, 'cause there are a lot, a lot of projects under this umbrella, and more coming out, every day, right? for a lot of them, you kinda have to be behind the paywall to, to have that information, but The, I am one of the,↗

36:51Speaker 3interviewers, so I've gotten to speak with a lot of different people, and yes, you get to see my face and others if you do, if you do pay and apply, I might be one of the ones interviewing you, it's possible, so, but When we mention that we're not a religious or political organization, a lot of people, you'd be surprised how many people say, "That's exactly why I wanna join this. That's exactly why I'm thrilled that you're not religious or political in nature." And we're there, we structured it this way for a reason. We're strictly pro-heritage American, right? That's what we, we lobby for. That's exactly what our goal is, and it's to build and support↗

37:35Speaker 3heritage American or white, if you wanna, you know, just call it white, et cetera, that's what our mission is, right? people want to collectivize and they want to work. People want to-- they'll, they'll, they'll work for free, you know, as long as they have a purpose, They will do all kinds of stuff for free, and that's kind of-- We're sort of grassroots in that. All of our funding has come from our own members, right? we have had no outside donations, no outside,↗

38:10Speaker 3sponsors, et cetera. It's all come from in-house, and this idea has been in the making for a long time, so- With our vast, plethora of members, we have guys that do all kinds of stuff. for example, we have guys that are active law enforcement, we have guys that are former law enforcement, doctors, this, that, firemen, Military, a lot of military or former military things like that. It is a all-inclusive, organization, a lot of guys in business, bankers, et cetera. So the ideas and projects that we can work on together and come up with,↗

38:53Speaker 3Are kind of never ending, and that's one of the things is people want something, this project kind of pushes everything to the line that most people sounds like are comfortable with. For example, I know I have an avatar on this, but I, my name will be one of the names on the paperwork, as well as, Mr. Jackson there and others, so that will, we will be masked off with this, it's just why make it easy for your, you know, for the hecklers early on. But when we were discussing this, I was like, why would I be uncomfortable, saying that I'm pro-Heritage American or pro-white? I would defi- like, this, there's nothing you can attack me on here, you know? I have no, no problem doing so, and I will speak on it, and if honestly, why should I be embarrassed to do so↗

39:43Speaker 3That knows me in real life knows this anyway. So what do I, what do I have to hide? What do I have to be ashamed of? And it seems to me that's the thing that most people, they, they're willing to go that far. Most people are willing to go that far. They just don't wanna get into the weeds as far as politicians and politics And naming certain things, et cetera, but that's, that's not a requirement of the organization. We're not, for example, like an active club. We're not a, we're not out there marching, we're not doing things like that. It's strictly,↗

40:17Speaker 3white-owned business, businesses trying to help our own and create new ideas. nothing illegal about it. This can go from, you know, thought, like, helping, say, We have, we have a couple guys that are, are also in, RTTL, right? That are in there, and they help with that. We have guys that are in all kinds of different organizations. So the, the goals are endless. I, I don't really wanna get into anything specifically, but, the main thing I guess I will say is,↗

40:48Speaker 3essentially you apply, an interview will be scheduled, and then, After the interview, you get, we're looking for a lot of leaders right now. so the way that works is we're looking for a state, leader and then county leaders, kind of, we're taking everyone, we're taking memberships But we're really looking for those, when we get into, I'm sure, Andrew, there, we'll, we'll get into the details more on this. But essentially, when we get, when we get all of these positions filled, that's our main goal. From there, then we're gonna organize into our lodges. Each lodge is, autonomous, it can be ran. If you guys wanna do a, fishing trip or meet at a, a bar or meet at, you know, get dinner, poker night at someone's house,↗

41:37Speaker 3Right? And this is good because many people have different, especially through the country, there's different, things and interests, et cetera, like some people are into hiking more if they're out, you know, Midwest kind of deal. so anyways, this is, this is part of it. So When these, when these lodges, all start taking effect and we network together and you have your regular lodge meetings with once a week, biweekly, once a month, et cetera,↗

42:06Speaker 3this is where the ideas will continue to grow and people will continue to collectivize, and I see this project really becoming a major, as in something that will grow. It's already growing insane for the, for the month that it's been open. I, I'll, I'll let, Andrew get into the, metrics if, if he wants as well, but the growth that we've seen without even marketing, which we will do in about a month, is, it's,↗

42:34Speaker 3it's astounding, frankly. There's a lot, there's a big need for this, and this is, I'm very excited for it. But, anyways, after we, after we get this done, the lodge, you get into the lodges, et cetera. The, the ideas that we will, come up with in projects are kind of endless. So that's, that's the main thing for me that I'm excited about,↗

42:58Speaker 3is the uniqueness of this project, but the acceptability, and the comfort that most people are, voicing. Everyone kinda, when you talk to 'em, they're like, "I, man, I've been looking for, I can't believe something like this isn't already happening. I don't understand." And, so that's what kinda brings me the most satisfaction and,↗

43:19Speaker 3Thank↗

43:19Ian Malcolmyou. No, ver-very well stated there, William, and, and, the, the demand for what you guys are doing, I, I genuinely believe that it is going to be the, the hockey stick, and, and what I mean by that is that the growth, is going to have this, this little by little and then all at once everyone effect, and I say it because there's lots of people that don't realize how demoralized they are. There's lots of people that don't recognize how much they merely wanna be around like↗

43:48Ian MalcolmCare about their people, their heritage, their culture, all the things that they've been told are basically bad intrinsically about themselves, their entire lives, right? And so what's going to inevitably happen is you'll have the early adopters in this that are willing to go out and just say, "Yeah, I don't care if I'm called X, Y or Z." The more that becomes normalized, you're then going to have this surge of individuals that are, are going to recognize, "Hey, there's lots of individuals doing this, therefore I'm comfortable, I'm no longer worried about↗

44:18Ian MalcolmEveryone deep down, even the blue-haired liberal that walks around saying white people don't have culture, even that person, way deep down underneath all the programming, they wanna be able to take pride in themselves and in their heritage and their, their culture, their history. Everyone wants that It's absurd to think that anybody out there, I mean, for anybody that watched Game of Thrones, yes, the Rook character, if you guys remember the, that individual, he got demoralized to the point where he basically just walked around, crawled around, said "Yes, Master," and just feared being beaten. Right? But then once he was willing to just say, "What am I doing?" Even that individual stood up in opposition to anything and everything and became a little bit, you might say, heroic. That's what's gonna happen to the white people of the West. They're gonna recognize, "I don't believe I fell for this." It'll be the exact same recognition that is, and I'll just say it for what it is, it's Jewish supremacy. Once people wake up to that, there's no going back. You just become immune, you're like, "Call me an antisemite," I don't care, because I know that you're going to say that if I say, "That criminal is a Jew." That's antisemitism, right? You become immune to all of these things. And the same thing is going to happen with racist, with bigot, all of the other things that are gonna be thrown inevitably in your direction as this happens. And that's gonna bring me actually to a, a question that I wanna come back to, 'cause- One of the comments that you made there, this idea that it is about heritage Americans, and obviously there are fundamentally heri-heritage Americans that are of all walks of, of different colors of life, and so I'm gonna be very curious for that, that aspect, but it isn't in any way, shape, or form unreasonable in my eyes to say this is for heritage Americans who are heritage European Americans, right? That are downstream from European culture, European people, and Christianity, loosely speaking. And, and so I don't think that's remote Totally wrong, but I'm gonna be very curious for the thoughts around that. But before we do, we're gonna go back to Andrew, who, has his hand up very politely, but I wanna check in with Stuper, who had his hand up. I'd be very curious for the, the piece of the rejection of the objections to modernity that most resonated with you and, and ultimately got you involved with this program.↗

46:30Speaker 4Absolutely, my pleasure. thank you for hosting, by the way, Ian, Joanne, we appreciate, the time, the airtime, everything. Just gonna throw a bit of a glaze out there and say that in the information front, you have done tremendous work, brother. It's been phenomenal to see the, truth nukes in every single comment section every time I check it out. So it's, it's, it's excellent. And, a bit of a background, right? Where I, I came from, came from the Midwest,↗

46:59Speaker 4My grandfather helped build Detroit, and it was the Paris of the West, and it was phenomenal. And through his work, he was a labor guy. Through his work, my dad was able, first generation college student. My family goes way, way back to Virginia and Kentucky, to the founding of the country, way back, generations and generations. And, so I got to go to school, I was sent to college, I was raised in a liberal, secular household, I was sent to college, and I experienced- First hand the tech rug pole, and I was sent to school with this big old student, and I was told, "If you work, if you study hard, you go into engineering, and you go into STEM, you will be able to earn six figures right out of college. It's gonna be great, everything's gonna be gravy train, it's gonna be super easy." And, I did it. I followed, I followed these instructions, and I believed everything, and I drank all the Kool-Aid, and, I watched this whole entire facade just crumble right before me Three and four are on our grievance list. The economic disposition that we've seen as a people, as a generation, and, and this is something that I cannot tolerate the thought of having my children, our children, my friends' children go through this system that is going to siphon off their excess productivity, going to turn them into little mechanical objects whose purpose it is to have their, their wealth extracted by the lobby that we all know who's behind it. I don't know what they've done, how they've systematically created this whole entire, like, gigantic rug pull for, for this new generation. These kids are growing up and they're never gonna be able to afford a house, and I look at them, those are my fellow Americans. And it took me personally a long time to come around to that, and now that I have, I have found my compatriots who feel the same way, and getting in with Halo, meeting these gentlemen, realizing what we can do, realizing that- We aren't in fact alone, that this, this, this world is here for us. Like, this is our group of guys. We can get involved, we can participate in this economic collectivism, we can pool our resources, we can spend time together, and we can make sure that our culture and our heritage does remain intact. And that's what I think is-- I think that's indispensable to the vision of America. I don't, I don't believe that it's just A generic economic unit. I really don't. I believe there is an innate heritage, an innate people to this nation, and,↗

49:39Speaker 4we are, we aren't gonna watch it drift away and do nothing. So once again, I thank you for hosting, man. It's great, it's excellent to, to be able to talk about this, Andrew, William, one tribe like We've done a lot of work, and there's still a lot to be done. It feels good to be a part of this, and, all brothers and sisters out there, like, you guys are the best. Like, we're not Ever giving up, we're not ever throwing in the towel. We are not going to be reeked. That's not gonna happen to us. So once again, we appreciate it, brother.↗

50:12Ian MalcolmOh, absolutely. And, and I, and I appreciate you. I appreciate everybody that is part of this, that is putting their time, their attention into this program. and I'm sure there's a lot of individuals that are listening in right now that are both very inspired by you guys and also excited to lean in and get involved with you guys.↗

50:30Ian Malcolmand I, I ask that because, Who was in the purple, pill commenting, can you ask if there are roles for females in the organizations, not in any capacity from a leadership role, just opportunities to meet like-minded individuals? And so, Jackson, I wanna throw it back over to you, and I know you had some comments for some of the earlier conversation, but also maybe, to address that question there that Sharon threw up for you.↗

50:53Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely. And we do have an FAQ on the website, because these are common questions, right? These are not questions that we won't run into over and over and over again. So there's a pretty, robust FAQ. It continues to grow, for that reason. yeah, before we, before we do go there, the, you know, the demoralization that you'd spoken to early on, the cities, like, I have an appreciation for the beautiful architecture that, you know, stems from You know, the Italian Renaissance, the, the European aesthetic, like all, all of these things, they, they sing to me. Like I, I look at the, the skyline of San Francisco from the bay. I was watching, you know, when you let your Apple TV sit for a while and it starts to throw up these images, and one of them is San Francisco, and I look at that backdrop and, and the, the, the, the wharf and the harbor and the port and the, and the little tower that stands up, is dwarfed by this Giant, it, it looks like a circuit board, right? It looks like a, a monotonous circuit board if you look at it from the top, and from the angle, it's like, it's just a bunch of bricks, and the, the beauty is actually the smallest part of that image, which is the, the, very articulate architecture, that, that really just sings to me, and, and the demoralization of just walking through these bricks and the, the fluorescent lights and the The cubicles and all of that, it's, it's not in our nature. It's just, it's not us. And, and I, I know that's not for everybody, but speaking to, to, to what, Stuper said there, you know, there is something that is us, and, and we're okay organizing around people who resonate with that, even if it means we're organizing around a smaller group of men. We're not trying to solve the world's problems. We are trying to give oxygen to a fire that is still burning within us. And By doing that collectively, you know, I think we can make a difference in those men's lives, giving them hope for something that is wonderful that they can express and they can appreciate, and we don't need to solve all the world's problems. It's a bunch of different organizations doing many great things. So we have a very specific purpose to that,↗

53:12Speaker 1and, and that includes, you know- American men of European descent, American men of European descent, you know, and I'll transition to the, to the ladies. you know, we-- I, I have a wife, I have children, I-- there, there are elements in my life that this is excluding, right? And, and it's not for no reason. but it's not just simply for the exclusion. It's not just to feel special or to get away from these things. It is to collectivize a consciousness around these people with which we can build and protect Our, our, what we have and what we love, and that includes our women. there will be in the future a, sorority, right? This is a fraternity, and then there will be a sorority that grows out of this as we, as we con-continue to collectivize the men of this organization who also have wives, who have girlfriends, who have fiancées,↗

54:08Speaker 1and they need a place too, but in the meantime, we're not, we're not- Absent of our families in this organization, you know, the, the lodge meetings themselves are men only. Out of that, you've got weekends, you've got family activities that are planned through these lodges. This is all local to your community, and then out of that, you say, "Hey, let's get everybody together and go have a barbecue. Bring your, bring the wife, bring the children, let's get them involved, let's let, you know, let's, let's let them integrate and socialize with each other." and so women, not only in my personal life does my wife play a very important part, but externally to the group, we also have that activity, and that's subsequent of a future sorority that we'll build out of this as we get women leaders to step up and say, "Yeah, I'll, I'll, I will participate in that. I will take a lead role in helping my fellow women in my area, grow in that aspect of it, because we can't do anything without our women, and ultimately- We, we are bonded, we, we need each other, and so that aspect is considered, although it is, not currently in the infrastructure↗

55:25Ian MalcolmNo, it's so well stated. And, and Sharon, to tempt you and, and the prioritization there of the development of the, sorority program, Sharon put up into-- well, I put up into the nest, but she provided some, lovely fried zucchini, to try and tempt you guys, so, you can see the, the visualization there. And, and look, that's one of the things that I just love is, a-and, and this isn't a, please don't interpret this as a sexist comment↗

55:55Ian MalcolmOf you being able to, to recognize that, hey, we are all part of this same organization, but let's have a piece of it that is for the fraternity aspect, a piece of it that's for the sorority aspect, and in that, let's say individual, pursuit, they will find their own like-minded aspects that then can also come together and bond together and all those beautiful things. So love that suggestion there, Andrew. I'm curious, I know that there's, a couple other people up here, I think, Halo Grand Lodge, I don↗

56:24Ian MalcolmI'd love to maybe hear from them really briefly, and then we can open it up if anybody wants to come up and ask some questions to you guys.↗

56:33Speaker 1the, the Halo Grand Lodge account there, it's, it's up here, but it's quiet. it is, if, if it's okay with the host to, to represent the organization, people can follow the Grand Lodge there, get more information, including, alerts when the sorority, would be a, you know, open for a- Membership, there, so that, that's, that's the purpose of, the Halo Grand Lodge being on board here. I do wanna say though to Sharon, thank you, fried zucchinis, excellent, and, you know, men doing a lot of hard work get really hungry, so, very appreciated.↗

57:14Ian MalcolmNo, and Sharon, Sharon's an absolutely wonderful individual and, truth seeker that's out here and helping to spread the word, in particular about, Jewish supremacy and all the insanity that's downstream from it, which of course includes this very topic, right? It is, it is at the end of the day, the media and, and let's say academic institutions, these influencers, they all shape the culture, and when the culture becomes antagonistic towards whites, well, we should examine who's behind it, and what do you know, we noticed this, weird↗

57:44Ian MalcolmWhich brings me actually to a question, Andrew, back to this idea of, of who is part of that heritage community. I'm, I'm kind of curious of two things. Number one is the, the who this is applicable towards, 'cause obviously, again, there, there are heritage individuals, and look, I, I, I think a lot of the individuals, in the FBA community, and I say this having tried to give ample opportunity to their faces, and I went in in good faith, basically saying,↗

58:12Ian Malcolm"Hey, I, I, I, Opposition that we face. it was often antagonistic, that was just my personal experience. But there's also a lot of individuals that are out there, that I've had the pleasure and, and that I've humbly been able to have spaces with. James Wood is one that comes, of course, to mind. I think he's a fantastic individual, and I believe his, his, his people, his, his bloodline, go back quite a long time in America. he would actually mock the, the, the people, So I'm just kinda curious if there is any overlap and if this is, when, when we suggest heritage, is there also a racial component to it, and is that component, meant to merely define who can be part of, and as the, conversely, is there any antagonism that is part of this group, or is it merely a love and protection of your people with no affront to anybody or anything else?↗

59:09Speaker 1Great question. I love that question because, William spoke to it earlier. I, I'm also a part of the, the, interview team. And when we talk to men who are coming on board, and I wanted, I wanna express the, the quality of men that we have coming on board and going through the interview process is exceptional. we are building the leadership core. this, this demands that all of the leaders who come on, myself included, William and others, they train on the interview process Because we can't do this with like a group of seven people, right? We're not gonna get our, our numbers. We are looking for seven hundred and fifty thousand members by October thirty-first. We aren't, we aren't, we aren't,↗

59:54Speaker 1o-under any illusion that that won't be a lot of work or that we can do it by ourselves. So every leader that comes in goes through a training on the, the interview process so we can be effective interviewers, going through this. And one of the things that- We hear when we go through these interview processes, ask these specific questions, is that, and, and William spoke to it, they say, "That's the part that I love the most." It was, y-you know, and we have pastors of churches, right? Come in, and he said, "And when we ask, like, what resonated the most with you, in this, and it's that we say, we say things like, "This isn't a, a hostile organization or a, a, an organization..." Based on hate for anyone else. It is simply a love for our people and what we can do for them and how we can do it, and they said that's what brought me in, because we're-- a lot of us are tired with the hostility, a lot of us are really just done with it. We, we don't wanna argue with anybody, we don't wanna fight with anybody, we just wanna get out there and do work, and we wanna give our, our youth who are demoralized, who, who-- they don't even see the hope in making a family, they You can work hard and you can get a home and you can be a homeowner and a father and all these things that are promised to you by, by hard work and, you know, bootstraps and all these things. And a lot of them, I, I got in, you know, in my forties, now I got to express a lot of that. I got to do those things that were promised to me, even though it was very, very hard. And, and twenty twenty and, and the shutdown really was, I think, an attempt to destroy small business, and All those people who put their lifeblood and their, everything they had into their business, and then all of a sudden it's like, "You don't get to do that anymore," because, you know, you never know if somebody could get sick. I was like, "Okay, so you just, you're just trying to kill off..." And, and I think those, those youngsters who haven't even had a chance to establish themselves are so, excluded and, and ostracized from opportunity, but that's our goal, and, and it is ethnically inclined. It, we, we We don't wanna go out there and stop anybody else from doing the same thing for their people, but I have a certain ancestry that I track all the way to the 1600s. my family came across the Midwest and the West and, and into, you know, to California, and, and I, I understand and appreciate that history. I think everybody should understand and appreciate their own history, but this is a history that I have that I think is exclusive to me, at least in the appreciation, the foods that we love, the music we enjoy, the- The, the culture that we b-develop when we come together, we, the, we do appreciate. So in that, we aren't, we're not in trying to be everything for everyone, but we want to be available to those people who see these demographic changes. We talk to people in Texas, they're like, "Yeah, when I grew up in Texas, it was all white. It was just what it was. And now it's like, I'm a minority. I don't even recognize this country anymore." And it's not like it's, it's like, "Oh, No, like nobody that is a part of this organization wants to celebrate these, these foreign, celebrations. It's not real, and that's who, you know, we really gravitate towards. So we, we appreciate other cultures for what they are, and we think they should appreciate that we are↗

1:03:27Speaker 1I really dedicated to the European descended American, and their families. And it, it is, it is hard. We understand that everybody goes through, through things, but we feel there's a great, a great disservice being done right now to those people, and we wanna provide that service through ethnic solidarity and to cherish what we-↗

1:03:50Speaker 1Agreed to consensus together that we built this and that we actually love it and we actually don't wanna see it go to de-deintegration. And I'll, I'll end with this as, as, Stu had said, you know, my family also ended up in, in the Northwest, in Minnesota. My great-grandfather helped build Saint Paul and helped build Minneapolis. The-- through the, the snow, there was no buildings, there was no good roads, it was basically just land, and they-- he was a part of building that into what it is today, and to see the demographic displacement going on in Minnesota Not just by meritocracy, not just by, by open and eq-eq-equity and, equality, but a, a corrupt system that is taking from our people and giving it to invaders who don't have any stake in the history there and in the, in the culture there. and this is what we're reflecting on as a people now, and when we see it, we go, "You know what? You know, maybe it is time for us to start to circle the wagons, as it were, for our people and, and, and let the others,↗

1:05:12Speaker 1fend for themselves for a while, 'cause we really need to fend for our own, because right now we are a minority in a country that we helped build, and nobody seems to care. And if you ring, if you ring the bell that you should care, you get attacked. And so we need some solidarity, we need a protection against these, this- This, hostile entity, whatever it is, and we don't have a specific claim to who the entity is, it's everyone to us. Like everyone is, is antagonists. I'm in California, the Mexicans here don't like the white Americans, the Native Americans here don't like the white Americans. It is, it is really to the point where we feel like it's quite obvious and it's quite open, and, you know, we'll just go ahead and collectiveize if we can give back and, and create, better A world for other people that may come, but initially we're really focused on that ethnicity and the men who can come together to build something anew. I was all in there.↗

1:06:16Ian MalcolmNo, and it was so well stated, and, and I, I think it's really important to call that out, not because we should ever have to self-censor ourselves or provide disclaimers, but, I mean, obviously this is a subject that there's probably a lot of people in this room right now that either hold animosity towards this idea or perhaps they think the idea makes a lot of sense, and maybe they're attracted or drawn to it, but perhaps they are worried about that stigma that we were talking about earlier, and I think the way that you just presented that, Andrew,↗

1:06:46Ian MalcolmAny animosity towards anybody, this isn't about, projecting a sense of superiority, the, the desire to have, hatred towards or, or let's say, some kind of vindication against, others, but rather saying, "Hey, we are, we are here, we are proud of our people, we don't take any shame in any capacity in that." And if you think that that's uncomfortable, then maybe we should evaluate the society that we live in. And I think a lot of people that do find these things either maybe somewhat appealing and are considering them, or those that find them wildly unreasonable, well, just ask yourself the question that I just laid out there, right? Why is anything that Andrew just said, "I'm proud of my history and my people, I'd like to protect it, I wanna make sure that it's around, and I wanna try and do what I can to protect or to prevent, let's say, from other forces from aggressing upon it"? Right? I wanna build a future in which my children aren't perpetually the villains of everything, where they aren't instructed to be hated by everybody that they live amongst, where their lands aren't utterly flooded with foreigners who are then propagandized to dislike them in their own lands. It, it, it's wild that we live in this world. It's, it's, it's, it's bewildering. That this has been normalized, and it just goes to showcase how heavy the propaganda has been. let's go back to, to William, and then what I would like to do is, if anybody wants to come up and ask some questions, I've got a couple more in the chamber here, but would love to get some audience participation. So, so if you do have an inquiry, if it's about the process of, of trying to join, of trying to support, or maybe if you think it's a, a good idea, a bad idea, whatever that might↗

1:08:25Speaker 3Yeah, great. just to piggyback off of that, and this might segue well into the next, so our website, who can join Halo? I'll just read you the quick blurb. membership is open to American men aged eighteen and older of exc- exclusively European descent who affirm our values and align with our mission. Women and families are welcome in supportive, supportive roles within lodge activities, but core membership focuses on men as protectors and builders, right? So The,↗

1:08:55Speaker 3what I tell everyone is, if you believe you are a, European male, we, we like to sort of use the, say, 1790s Naturalization Act for reference, as a heritage American. if you believe you are, then apply. apply, sit down with somebody face to face, you know, or on the, on the computer, and, and you're welcome to apply.↗

1:09:19Speaker 3In that process of the application, right, there are other questions. We don't want to organize a lodge with active, you know, drug users, et cetera. So the process of interviewing is a little bit more, detailed than that. So it's not quite just a, make sure that you're, European. If there is, there is other things and outliers that people can be disqualified for, for, you know, basically not, not being of good moral character. terpitude, however you wanna phrase it. So that is part of the, the interview process. Now, it's not something that we have, say, fitness standard, et cetera. We, we're looking to get people of all,↗

1:10:01Speaker 3all walks and all ages, and we understand that there'd be no need for a, a, a physical, sort of deal, And what we're trying to aim for with this, so yeah, if your question, I suppose, is who can apply, if I'm this shade or if I'm that shade, if you believe that you fit that criteria, that you're a European exclusive, ancestry, then you're welcome to apply and, and we can kinda go from there, 'cause again, there, there is plenty of other things that, may reflect↗

1:10:33Speaker 3in, in the group's judgment, we, we want this to remain and always be, good upstanding men, capable men, and, men who are congruent with our, ideology and our plan, men who can contribute and are willing to step up. So, if that answers the who can join part a little bit better, then, hopefully that helped.↗

1:10:56Ian MalcolmNo, William, it absolutely did, and I saw, I saw Andrew put his hand back up, so we'll go right to him and, and Andrew to One of the things that I find very curious about what you guys are doing, in contrast to some of those efforts that I've seen digitally take shape, and I don't in any capacity mean return to the land, which I think Eric also presents that project as one that is, is aiming for the good, that which is righteous, that which is moral. And I say it because I think a lot of perceptions of what you guys are doing would take the stance that, "Oh, it's white people are the best, and they are inherently good, and therefore any and all of them should come on board to this program and this project." And instead, what I'm hearing is that it is people of not just this ethnicity that have interest in preserving that culture and that heritage, but that also properly reflect and, and let's say, live their lives in, in a way that is cohesive with the message that you're trying to preserve. And I think it's a Interesting distinction, 'cause again, I've seen a lot of other groups that, for what it's worth, they're just kind of flagrantly at odds with the rest of the world, in many cases just hating on, in what I think is often kind of a petulant fashion, the quote-unquote others or nones of the world in a way that, not, not only is it not- Productive, but it, it begs the question, how are you better than the very thing that right now controls all the media and all the everything else that projects its hatred and its animosity onto everyone else? And so it's kind of a, a curious little piece, and it's one that I've noticed not just with the Return of the Land, but also every one of the speakers, that's been up here representing your organization that you guys are working on.↗

1:12:34Speaker 1Yeah, and this is important, and, and this is a part of our growth structure, right? Is, is men of a certain character and quality, because you-- we often hear, you know, we don't have any leaders, or, you know, they, they, there's, there's a lack of leadership and what that looks like. We really need good leaders and good men, and, and a man of a certain character, to be able to↗

1:13:01Speaker 1and the way the lodge system is set, right? It's, it's a local lodge in your, your county. so we're organizing to get, captains in every county in the United States, which is three thousand one hundred and forty-seven, give or take a few. and that is, a leadership position↗