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- 0:00Vatican II Subversion IntroductionIan Malcolm introduces the topic of Jewish subversion of Catholic doctrine, focusing on Vatican II.
- 23:18Pre-Vatican II Church HostilityThe Goyfather details the historical subjugation of Jews by the Catholic Church from 1555 to 1796.
- 36:57Napoleonic Era and Jewish InfluenceNapoleon's invasions of Papal States were funded by Jewish merchants, leading to the liberation of Jews from ghettos.
- 53:46Rothschilds and Vatican FinancesThe Vatican, facing bankruptcy, took substantial loans from the Rothschild family, making them papal bankers.
- 1:05:501848 Revolutions and Jewish FundingGiuseppe Mazzini's revolution, funded by Jewish financiers, led to the Roman Republic and further secularization.
- 1:21:40Kingdom of Italy and Papal StatesThe creation of the Kingdom of Italy, heavily supported by Jewish bankers, led to the final demise of the Papal States.
- 1:31:00Jewish Theological Opposition to CatholicismThe Goyfather explains the Jewish theological basis for their animosity towards Christianity, viewing it as Edom.
- 1:55:30Vatican II and Nostra AetateThe discussion shifts to the origins of Nostra Aetate, highlighting the role of Jewish figures like Jules Isaac and Gregory Baum.
- 2:20:50Nostra Aetate's Controversial TeachingsThe Goyfather dissects Nostra Aetate's rejection of the deicide charge and condemnation of antisemitism, contrasting it with historical Catholic doctrine.
- 2:39:33Church Fathers vs. Nostra AetateNumerous quotes from prominent Church Fathers are presented to demonstrate the stark contradiction between traditional Catholic teachings and Nostra Aetate.
- 3:03:20Jewish vs. Islamic Oppression of ChristiansA debate ensues regarding which group, Jews or Muslims, has historically been more oppressive towards Christians.
- 3:55:00The Great Awakening and TruthDavid Nietzsche and Ian Malcolm discuss the ongoing 'Great Awakening' and the inevitable triumph of truth over deception.
The Transcript
Ian Malcolmbut now I see. And what we are going to be seeing in this space, and I'm very excited for it. I'm sending, let's see, Mr. Goyfather a invite right now to get him up here along with Ms. Joanne. And we are going to be exploring something that a lot of people are blind and do not see, which is the subversion of a lot of Christian, in particular Catholic doctrine,
Ian Malcolmin the wake of Vatican two and we will be expanding outside of just explicitly focusing on that piece of the puzzle. But we will be talking about the blind that are those following Christian Zionism, the blind that are those that have been essentially perverted to follow in doctrine that is completely out of whack with the teachings of Christianity and in doing so potentially
Ian Malcolmbring about a way that we will all be able, per that song, to see the amazing grace that is Christianity in its rendition free from that perversion. And so in that effort, we are joined by one of the legends. I had the pleasure of doing many spaces back in the day, at this point probably a year or two ago, with Mr. Goyfather, who is...
Ian Malcolmbeyond an expert when it comes to a lot of this subject matter. And not only on Christian doctrine, but in fact, also of the Talmud. We used to do Talmud Thursday was the name of the space a long time ago in a set of spaces far away. And in that, I learned all of the ins and the outs, not just of pill pull. but also of the doctrine of this opposing force that has subverted Christianity, largely the Catholic church.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's the version is a result of the fact that that religion essentially permits through their Talmud lying or obfuscating truth when of benefit to this group of people. So what would that mean? Well, there might be some lies that have been injected into the otherwise truths of Christianity and of the Catholic church.
Ian MalcolmSo we'll be talking about Vatican II. We'll be talking again about some of those other subversive forces. We'll talk about the Schofield Bible. We'll talk about all of these elements that have basically taken the thing that should serve as the rudder and the foundation to keep you planted and in the right direction when it comes to your worldview.
Ian MalcolmAnd that goal is not just for my edification or that of Joanne's, but for everybody that is in here. We want to take some of that amazing grace Per the King. Oh, by the way, we were talking, I made a post about the King of Pop. Shouldn't have been a tongue twister. Michael Jackson, but talking about another King, Elvis Presley and long live him.
Ian MalcolmAnd in his eternal, perhaps amazing grace, a guy who I think suffered a lot of slings and arrows towards the end of his life and was largely subverted by a similar force. We could also look into the ethnic background of Elvis. There's some curious pieces there, but To take that song, I wanted to start with something beautiful, something special, which I think prior to Vatican II, prior to the Schofield Bible, all of this was.
Ian MalcolmIt, of course, has been perverted. There's a toxin in the water. So we want to have this space so that we can get some clarity, so that we can remove that toxin, not just from our own understanding of the religion, but also that you can share it with others in your community that are passionate about this subject so that they
Ian Malcolmmight be led back to that amazing grace that Mr. Presley sung about. And so with that being said, I'm going to turn things over to Mr. Goy father, but before I do a quick little, I want to give an extra special thank you to miss Joe, Joanne, the cohost is with the most is I know I say this every space that I do with her, but I truly would not be able to do this if it wasn't only for her passion and for her accommodating all of the spaces that we're doing.
Ian Malcolmbut the expertise with which she navigates all of this and the fact for what it's worth that I can enter into a space. I don't even need to send a note in the middle of the day or the day before. I just know because Joanne is as reliable as any automatic watch that the Germans or the Italians ever put together. She's an absolute superstar and I just always want to call that out and give her a big thanks.
Ian MalcolmUm, but with that being said, We'll turn things over for some introductions. And Mr. Goyfather, it's been a little while. I know intimately all about you and the amazing work that you've done. But for those folks that might not have been around for those spaces we were doing a year ago, would love if you could give a little bit on yourself, whatever you feel comfortable sharing.
Ian MalcolmBut then also some of the, let's say the background, the research, the history that you've looked into that gives you this absolute expertise over the subject matter that we're going to be reviewing.
Speaker 1All right, perfect. Good to be back, guys. Good to be back. I would assume a lot of people know me from our previous spaces and whatnot that we have held on the Talmud, on anything related to the Jews, Christianity, so on and so forth. But if you don't, yeah, I'm the guy father. I like studying the Jewish texts because...
Speaker 1How do we defeat our enemy if we don't know our enemy? I have a sub stack. Got a couple articles on there. Got the main one on the Talmud that I believe me and Ian held alive going over. I'm pretty sure the recording is on my YouTube or Rumble. I think my Rumble is the same as my Twitter handle, if I'm not mistaken. I forgot the login, so I won't be able to tell you.
Speaker 1But I believe it's the exact same. I believe it's TheGuyFarber, or it might be TheGuyFarber. My YouTube is TheGuyFarber. It also might be recorded on there. But if you prefer reading, you can go over to my sub stack, which, again, I believe is TheGuyFarber. You can go over there. I have, I believe, three articles. I have one on the Talmud refuting...
Speaker 1What's that Jew's name, Ian? Adam King? Is that him? Oh, was it Andrew Meyer? Is that what you're talking about? No, no. Adam King. Adam King. Oh, okay.
Ian MalcolmI know you had a debate with Andrew Meyer that was rather legendary back in the day as well.
Speaker 1Yeah. But yeah, I have the article refuting Adam King's quote-unquote reputation of the Talmud sheets that you see being posted around. So if you've been using... a lot of these different Talmud memes, et cetera, that have been posted left, right, and center. I have the correct one, right? We rectified all those quotes, gave true quotations from them from the Jewish websites themselves.
Speaker 1There's the article there. It's like a 40-minute read. It's quite long, quite in-depth. I think the live we did is a couple hours. I have another one on St. Cyril of Alexandria and his expulsion of all of the Jews from Alexandria for their crimes. And then I think my most recent one, is, I believe, it's called The Actions of the Talmudic State.
Speaker 1It pretty much goes through and refutes the idea that Israel is this apparent secular state that has no rootings within the Jewish religion whatsoever. So I basically just go through the basic tenets like the expulsion of people from the land, the invasion of the land itself, and I show all of it from the Jewish sources.
Speaker 1So you know, people can stop running around and saying, oh, well, you know, the religious Jews are good, right? It's these secular ones. No, that's not how it works. I refute all that in that one. There's supposed to be multiple parts of that one, but Lent happened, and then we were resting, we were cooling off and whatnot, but, you know, we're somewhat back in business.
Speaker 1The article for this space will probably be out next week because researching it, I didn't realize how much fucking... stuff there is just from the 1700s to the 21st century there's a fucking ridiculous amount so the article will probably be out next week um and then after that i'll get to create more articles uh the part two of the actions of the talmudic state so on and so forth um but yeah uh i believe that's pretty much it give me a follow there's other threads on my account here and there on uh
Speaker 1Choosing the slave trade, et cetera. Stuff like that. Simple stuff. Can't really remember all of it, but yeah.
Ian MalcolmNo, and it's wonderful to have you back in this format. And it is one that you really have expertise within. And like I referenced earlier, I was blessed to be able to watch not only the Goyfather and his ability to walk through some of these very, very complex subjects with such expertise, but also to debate them. Uh, and he has a very, very comfortable knack, uh, I suppose, uh, giving both the jabs, but then also just being able to refute some of the, uh, the pill pull that, uh, we obviously see when we discuss these subjects.
Ian MalcolmUm, so with that being said, going further, when it comes to in particular Vatican two, and, and I, I thought this would be such a wonderful space. I was really excited, uh, when it was brought to, to my attention, this idea of trying to understand the various ways in which the church has basically been undermined. And of course, we could take a whole bunch of different sects and look at all these different aspects.
Ian MalcolmBut if we were to focus on Vatican II and back, we could go all the way back to the days of Christ. Are there kind of, let's say, bulleted points in time that are the most critical in your eyes in terms of the subversion? In other words, You know, was everything pretty stable and solid up until, you know, much more recently?
Ian MalcolmOr you just referenced that there's so many different points that you want to try to bring into your article. But do those start in, you know, the 17, 1800s, the 1600s? Or is this something where the subversion has just been going on little by little over the essential centuries?
Speaker 1So. This will actually be good to start because before we get into Vatican II, I'm going to go through the pre-Vatican II context and hostility of the church towards the Jews, right, and the contempt that European Christianity seemed to have had towards the Jews. So we'll start there and then we'll work our way through and then, you know, we'll get to around the 20th century and then we'll start with Vatican II, etc.
Speaker 1But I have a lot of stuff in relation to pre-Vatican II. we can start there, and it'll be a good place to start. So, basically, from 1555 onwards, right, to around 1796, the Catholic Church basically subjugated the Jews into, you know, ghettos, as we know them, mainly because of two decrees, one on 1555, I think it was July 14th, by, what was it, Pope Paul, Pope Paul IV, I believe, right, called,
Speaker 1cum numis absurdum, right? Which it was basically brought about in an attempt to purify the church from the Protestant Reformation, right? So they basically tried to free themselves from anyone who didn't profess Catholicism. The main opponents of Catholicism at this time were Jews and Protestants, right? Jews being pretty much the only immigrants in Europe at the time, right?
Speaker 1That was the case for a while. So they were addressed in the document, and they basically said that it is absurd for Jews who were said to, you know, deserve to be in a state of perpetual servitude for the crucifixion of Christ to live as equals among Christians, right? Then all of the Jews then after this were thrown into the Roman ghetto, right, the famous Roman ghetto, and they were forced to wear, as we know it, the famous yellow badge, which, you know, wasn't really a badge.
Speaker 1a hat a yellow hat for the men and like a veil type thing for the women but you know we know it as the yellow badge adolf ended up implementing it later on and took took it from the earlier catholic church's decrees and whatnot um but it was to distinguish between the jews and the gentiles and then there was 13 other decrees that were put on them as well it was so you had the mandatory ghetto they had to live in the ghetto right they had a single entrance a single exit
Speaker 1Every night they had to be there. Later on it gets more harsher, but we'll get to that. No real estate. The Jews couldn't own any land or any houses. Only one synagogue was allowed per se. The yellow badge, obviously. Jews could not be called Sir or any honorific title. Jews could not have Christian maids, nurses, laborers, doctors, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1The Jews couldn't eat, play, or you know, visit the houses of Christians. They couldn't share a house or building with a Christian. And they were banned from treating Christian patients. Then there was the rag trade. It's called like the stazzeria, I believe. And the Jews were banned from all high-level trade and restricted to selling only secondhand clothes.
Speaker 1And it was mainly in the ghetto or in certain stalls outside them. They weren't allowed to work on Sunday, which is our holy day. Normally they would try to work on Sunday since, you know, that's when the Shabbat is over, right? Then there was the Italian bookkeeping. All business records were supposed to be kept in Italian or Latin, right?
Speaker 1Never Hebrew. So, you know, the state could actually audit these books rather than, you know, them hide whatever they're doing in Hebrew, since obviously you are more equipped with the European languages, et cetera. Then there was the market restrictions. They were only allowed to sell um we're sorry yeah they were only allowed to sell certain foods and goods in specific low status areas of the public markets so even allowed in the public markets it was restricted to these you know lower status areas rather than the places where a lot of christians would be right we don't want to see you selling your kosher food on our streets get it off our streets um and basically that you know the idea that jews must remain in perpetual servitude to the church in the state and
Speaker 1Obviously, there was a lot of prison time that came about from these penalties that were inflicted. So basically from there to 1775, for the first 100 years of this edict against the Jews, it was put in place and it was held in place. It was followed, it was policed, etc. And then, as usual, societies seem to become more relaxed when it comes to decrees like this.
Speaker 1Then in 1775, the Jews had a little bit more freedom. They were getting a little bit more cocky. They were doing what they normally do. Whenever you give a Jew freedom, he uses it to the benefit of his own and to the detriment of everybody else. So then Pope Pius IX, I believe, in his edict concerning the Jews, he then reinstated
Speaker 1what was in 1555, but he made it like more harsher, right? So in 1555, they were put into ghettos, but it wasn't a complete lockdown. They had a little bit more freedom, but now under the 1775 decree, the Jews aren't allowed to sleep outside the ghetto even for one night. And if they do, and if they're caught, they go straight to prison.
Speaker 1You know, although they could only have one synagogue, now it couldn't be decorated outside and it had to be plain, you know, miserable, shameful, This decree was to humiliate them. The previous one was just to keep them on ropes. But since it didn't work and they still acted out and they still didn't know how to control themselves, we had to humiliate them into place.
Speaker 1The yellow badge system previously was only needed outside of the ghetto. 7075 decree made it so it had to be worn at all times. And if your hat was fading in color, you could be arrested for it. Also, Christians would be fined if they were being nice to the Jews or dealing with them. This comes from earlier decrees and disciplinary actions from certain councils, which I can bring up later when we go over the differences between how Vatican II treats the Jews versus how the entire early church treats the Jews and whatnot.
Speaker 1And we can see that the disciplinary actions from the early church was that you can't go to the house of a Jew, you can't befriend the Jew, you can't have the Jew as a nurse. or as a doctor, etc. And everything like this. All these rulings from this edict were pretty much taken from her. So the period is called the Age of the Ghetto.
Speaker 1That's normally how historians refer to it. It's the Age of the Ghetto. Great for Europeans, not the best for Jews, obviously. Then we come up to around 1796, and this is Napoleonic era. There we go. So in the Napoleonic era, it's kicking off and the French forces and Papal States are fighting. They're having little conflicts here and there.
Speaker 1And from 1789 to around 1792, you had what is known as the Jacobin Network. These guys are known to have a lot of Freemasonic influence and later on Jewish funders and whatnot. But basically what these guys were, these guys were the eyes and ears for the French Republic inside the papal legations in the northern papal states.
Speaker 1And in 1792, there was the declaration of war on the Austrian Empire by the French, which, I don't know where, but somewhere along the lines caused the French to receive funding from this Jewish merchant called Jacob Benjamin. And pretty much this guy was funding and feeding 30,000 troops of the French that were sitting on the French-Italian border.
Speaker 1which this border was eventually used to cross over, and it was the point used for invasion and whatnot. There was also plenty of other Jews, by the way, that happily funded the French and gave them food, etc., at the time, because they granted them full citizenship in 1791, I believe it was. I'm sure there's been spaces done on the French Revolution and what's it called, on the relevance with the Jews, etc., and their involvement and whatnot.
Speaker 1But It plays into this as well, plays into the infiltration of the Catholic Church. We get to 1793. We have a situation where a Frenchman named, what was his name? Nicolas de Basville, I believe it was. He was unalive by this Roman mob. Then there was a group of secret Jewish loyalists to the Jacobin network. And these people sent intelligence and distress signals calling on the French to invade the papal states, to use this as the primary reason to
Speaker 1initiate their invasion. There was also other Jews in northern Italy who were linked to something called the Conspiracy of Turin, which was like this underground secret movement led by the Jacobins and financed by the Jews themselves with the attempts to overthrow the monarch at the time. Then in late 17... Sorry, 1795... 1770... What day was it?
Speaker 11795, sorry. The French revolutionary government was basically bankrupt, right? They spent a lot of their money with wars, feeding troops, so on and so forth. Their money was worth nothing. Their paper money worth fuck all, right? So they were broke. They had nothing to fund their troops with. And their troops were literally described as naked and starving at the border.
Speaker 1They were on the French-Italian border. They were basically naked and starving. They had nowhere to go. They had no food, no money, no transportation. They were just stuck there, right? And since they were broke... You know, there was only one option as for some reason, European leaders seem to fall into taking every fucking time that we go broke.
Speaker 1And it's obviously asking the Jewish merchants for help. So that's what he did. He asked the Jews in Livorno, which was like the free, they call it the free port, right? Where Jews basically had autonomy over this region, right? And they provided credit to then buy grain and livestock from the Jews in North Africa under the Ottomans since...
Speaker 1You know, the Jews were very favorable under the Ottomans. I think I've done a thread on that about the Jews under the Ottoman Empire and whatnot. They were very favorable under the Ottomans. So basically you had the Jews in Livorno, right, providing credit to then buy grain and livestock from the Jews in the North African regions under the Ottoman Empire to help fund and feed the soldiers on the Italian-French border, right?
Speaker 1And basically, without this help, the French would have been useless. They were broke. They couldn't afford food. They couldn't afford to pay the fighters. They were fucked. So the Jews basically let them or pushed them, should we say, into actually having the capabilities to invade the Papal States in the next coming decades and whatnot.
Speaker 1But we get to 1796. We're getting closer now to the invasions and whatnot. We get to 1796, and we have the quote-unquote liberation of the legations, as they call it, right? They're Northern Peoples states. Napoleon conquers Bologna and Ferrara. And guess what he does? As soon as he enters these regions, the ghetto walls were immediately demolished.
Speaker 1This was, you know, like a return on investment for the Jews, I guess, you know? You have Moses Formagini, who was a Jewish merchant, who became one of Napoleon's primary advisors. Instantly, as soon as he invades Italy and the Papal States and destroys the ghetto walls, Moses Formagini becomes his primary advisor. And this is what he says.
Speaker 1He says something along the lines of, you know, behold, the hero has come. He whom we look at as like a second Cyrus, he's been sent by God to break the gates of brass. So they're basically looking at Napoleon as a secondary messianic figure to Cyrus, saving them from the Catholic Church. which is pretty weird, right, if we're considering this a quote-unquote natural revolution, right, for the Jews to be saying this is some messianic type event, which is very strange.
Speaker 1But after this happens, more Jews from all over the areas the French now had control of in 1797, they were sending a lot of money, a lot of money, especially the Jews from Ancona. This was pretty much like the backbone of the French occupation at the time. They gave all the hard currency. Because the French didn't really have hard currency, they gave all the hard currency to pay the troops as well as help to get food from the Jews under the Ottomans, etc.
Speaker 1And the French at this point were pretty much knee-deep in the Papal territories. They defeated the Austrian forces, who were the main protectors of the Papal states at this point. And they pretty much crushed every army that the Pope tried to raise. The Pope would try to raise a small little army to take them out or fight back, etc.
Speaker 1Crushed. Instantly crushed. Happened every single time over and over and over again. Then they were at the gates of Ancona. Napoleon was at the gates of Ancona and he was threatening to march directly into Rome. And the Pope, he obviously doesn't want to lose. rome right this is the eternal city to them and he assumed that the clergy would be unalived because that happened in the french revolution already in france so he's assuming if i let these people in the clergy are going to be unalive the churches are going to be destroyed and maybe you know the vatican itself is just going to be you know turning the ruins um so he didn't want this whatsoever but at the same time the vatican had no money as well the vatican was basically broke as well
Speaker 1because they were trying to fend off the French, and Napoleon ends up, you know, trying to strike some type of deal. Not really a deal. The guy just demanded 30 million francs from the Vatican, which is, you know, it's the Treaty of Tolentino. I think that's what it's called. And then basically, the... What do they call it?
Speaker 1Anyway, the things that were stipulated in this... decree right or in this quote-unquote deal treaty right where the pope had to give up all of the wealthy northern provinces so bologna ferrara and romagna which were pretty much like the fucking you know the holy grail of the papal states right they were the bread basket of the papal states that's where a lot of their resources came from and of course all of these regions the french already went into and the ghettos were all destroyed and the jews were already granted citizenship
Speaker 1So by 1797, the Jews went from living in ghettos in all of these papal states to having full citizenship rights and funding the further invasion of all the other papal states that weren't, you know, weren't yet taken over. And then eventually Rome and whatnot. And then the treaty not only demanded 30 million rites, it demanded artwork, manuscripts, all type of ancient artifacts.
Speaker 1Right. So hundreds of paintings were looted.
Speaker 1like museum type things were all raided. There was like a library that was raided, I believe, where they took a bunch of manuscripts and whatnot. And then when it came to paying the 30 million francs, obviously the Vatican didn't have 30 million francs. Why the fuck would they have 30 million francs, right? They didn't have the money up front.
Speaker 1So what they had to do was they had to take gold and silver from all of the churches across the papal states. melt them down, melt down the altar pieces and the chalices and the jewelry, etc. And then what had to happen was a middleman had to be there, right? Because the French weren't that wealthy. They were living off credit given from Jews.
Speaker 1So basically, Formagini, Moses Formagini, his family, the Formagini family, they were the middleman. So what they would do is they would buy the gold and silver and then convert it into bills of exchange and give it to Napoleon, sorry, to pay his troops, right? So, you know, that typically happens a lot with the Jews. Just as we saw with the French Revolution itself, when the Rothschilds just bought up a lot of bonds, et cetera, and raised the prices on them.
Speaker 1It's what Jews like to do. They like to be the sneaky little middleman. They always do this. But anyway, after this happens, right, you would assume that the treaty has been accepted, that Rome would be safe, you know, the French would leave Rome alone. No, that's not how the Jews operate. And that's not how the puppets operate either.
Speaker 1So by the end of 1797, I think it was around like 20 something of the 30 million was accumulated by the Pope, as well as the artifacts, so on and so forth, right? But at this point, they physically couldn't get any more gold or silver. They took everything they could. There was literally nothing they could get. So they couldn't get over 10 million, right?
Speaker 1They just couldn't get it. It was just impossible. right so in december of 97 a riot broke out right a riot broke out during all these troubles to to um to what's it called to to like accumulate funds etc a riot breaks out which by the way this riot there's um i think e michael jones talks about it in his book uh what's his book called again jewish spiritual jewish spiritual something i can't remember the book name i like you know what i'll find a book name for you real quick watch uh
Speaker 1I've got it served. Anyway, fuck it. I'll keep reading, then I'll find a book name in the background. So I think he speaks about it in his book, but a lot of the Catholics at the time, you know, the Latins, who were still loyal to the Pope, etc., they actually thought that the Jews caused this riot, right? They thought that the Jews provocated this riot in order to, you know, lead some type of revolution to kickstart.
Speaker 1Yeah, again. as was attempted prior. But basically what happened in the riot was a guy called General Dupshot, who was this French general, he was unaligned by the papal soldiers, and then they claimed that the Pope violated the treaty, so they used this as an excuse. So it would make sense that the Jews would do something like this, provocate a riot, use it as an excuse to then invade the rest of the papal state so they then could get the rest of the 10 million.
Speaker 1Or they wouldn't even have to wait for the rest of the 10 million because they could just sack whatever they wanted in Rome. They could just take what they want. So now they don't need to wait for the 10 million. But guess what? The French would still need hard currency. And who would they get the hard currency off for all of these artifacts from Rome?
Speaker 1Obviously, these same Jewish bankers, right? So it would make sense that they would do this. So they used it as an excuse to invade Rome itself because Rome wasn't invaded this time. Just all the other papal states, etc. So they used it as an excuse to invade Rome. And then General Louis-Alexander Berthier enters Rome and he declares the Pope's temporal power was over.
Speaker 1So he had no more political power. Right? Over. That's how he declared it. Then Pope Pius VI was arrested and I think it was Pope Pius IV earlier, but Pope Pius VI, sorry. He was arrested and eventually he was just dragged into exile in France and he died there i believe um and then when when the general when general louis alexander enters enters rome the jews are basically throwing parties at this point they're celebrating they're taking off the yellow badges and replacing it with the tricolor cockade whatever it's called you know the the french revolutionary symbol right they're taking off the you know the hats and the veils and the partying they're so excited that the french revolution has come to free them
Speaker 1which is strange if this is a natural revolution. Why is the first priority freeing the Jews? It doesn't really make sense. And attacking the Papal States. It makes no sense. But anyway, this part's even more weird. The French and the Jews then used the wooden gates from the ghettos as firewood for this thing called the Tree of Liberty, which was this symbol of liberation over the Papal States, etc.
Speaker 1Very strange. They were writing poems, claiming it felt like a messianic era when Napoleon freed them, right? Very weird stuff. But then from 1798 to 1799, the French controlled Papal States for the most part until... Until what's it called? Yeah, they were pretty much ruled by the French until a coalition was created between, I think it was...
Speaker 1the Austrians, the Russians, and the Brits, if I'm not wrong, which were trying to end the French rule over all these territories and end Napoleon's aggression in these different regions and whatnot. And obviously, some of you might know, right? The Russian general, Sovorov, he sweeps into Northern Italy and he's defeating the French armies and whatnot.
Speaker 1And then the Kingdom of Naples, who was loyal to the Pope and the King, they march an army towards Rome. And then now the French troops are basically pinned. They're basically cornered. They don't really have anywhere to go. So they retreat. They abandon Rome and they leave it. They retreated in 1799, near the end of 1799, like September, somewhere around there.
Speaker 1And after this, the Jews were then sent. Quite literally, one of the first things that happened, the Jews were just sent right back into servitude. The ghettos were reinstated and they were blamed for the French occupation. Their houses were raided. They were attacked as payback, etc. And then, by the way, at this time, Napoleon's in Egypt.
Speaker 1So Napoleon isn't leading these forces in Rome right now because he's in Egypt. He's away. But then he comes back. He comes back in the 1800s. You know, there's like, we've had like a couple months, you know, maybe half a year of Jews back in the ghettos. Europeans living good again. Jews back in ghettos were living great.
Speaker 1He comes back from Egypt. And the first thing he does, he instantly marches back into Italy. And he defeats the Austrians again. No one can disagree. He was a good military leader. We can't lie there. And then he signed a deal. He signed a deal with him and Pius VIII, I believe it was, instead of attacking Rome. So he attacks all the other papal states, takes them over.
Speaker 1He takes over the areas that the Austrians were defending.
Speaker 1the kingdom of naples etc and instead of attacking rome right away because i don't think he had enough troops because he lost a lot of troops uh battling and a lot of them had like uh what how do you say it a lot of them lost morale after having a retreat from rome after getting their ass kicked by the coalition um so he strikes a deal between him and the pope but obviously didn't stop the guy forever he was
Speaker 1a maniac hellbent on freeing the Jews from the ghettos that we put them in. So I think it was in 1808 or 1809, Napoleon tries to get the Pope to fight against Britain or tries to get the Pope to, you know, gather troops to fight against Britain, should we say, right? And the Pope refuses. So Napoleon invades and annexes Rome.
Speaker 1He then kidnaps the Pope in a night raid. It's like some, you know, Donald Trump Maduro action. Right. Then he abolishes, he abolished any type of sense of Jewish servitude. So, you know, the Jews and ghettos abolished yet again. He loved doing this for some reason. This guy is, you know, this is why they call him a messianic figure for them.
Speaker 1Because all he did was just save Jews, save Jews, save Jews, save Jews over and over again. Right. And then for five years after 1808, 1809, up until like 1814,
Speaker 1The Jews basically had complete freedom yet again under French ruled Rome. And then we get up to 1814 after Napoleon was then finally defeated. I think it was in 1814 he was defeated. And then he was sent into exile. The Pope returns back to Italy and Rome after being kidnapped and whatnot. And he comes back and he's convinced...
Speaker 1that the Jews were to blame for the French invasions. You know, all the dots must have been connecting. He must have saw all the Jewish bankers and the Jewish merchants. He must have saw all the Jewish quote-unquote, you know, spies, I guess we'd call them, right? They were working with the Jacobin network, et cetera. And he was like, you know, it's making sense.
Speaker 1The dots are connecting. He's starting to notice. So him and his secretary of state, Cardinal Consalve, They issue a series of decrees that basically just reinstate the Edict of 1555 and the Edict of 1775, which put the Jews in their mandated ghettos and made them wear the distinguished clothing, so on and so forth, etc.
Speaker 1So now the Jews are back in ghettos again. The Pope comes back. Everything's good. The Jews are done with the trickery. obviously not right the vatican is still pretty much broke obviously you know the jews pretty much bought all the gold and silver and gave the money to the french the french then used that to pay for the troops so on and so forth and sent some of the gold to northern africa to pay for grain whatever livestock they needed so on and so forth right um so all the money was pretty much used up they were very broke from 1814 to 1831 piss poor they had
Speaker 1fucking nothing they were they were on the last legs right and uh because they were severely broke right this brings us to the main point i would say where you could say the infiltration truly began because this is where we get the big jewish names that everybody knows if you know a tiny bit about the jews you know about the rothschilds obviously right if you if you know a tiny bit about the jews you know about the rothschilds
Speaker 1So we get to 1831 or 1832, give or take these two years. You have the Italian Catholic bankers, which were just like the aristocratic people who were Catholic, who were loyal to the Pope, etc. They didn't really have a standard papal banker, as you would call it. Not at this time, anyway. They did before and did a bit later, but not at this time.
Speaker 1Right. They couldn't fund the church and they didn't have the funds to do so, especially after, yet again, another uprising, which was in 1831, which the Jews also funded, by the way. And basically this revolution or this quote unquote uprising was basically just modeled off the French Revolution. Right. It was modeled off the French Revolution and it was a precursor for the 1848 revolution that we'll speak about in a second.
Speaker 1Right. Or in a couple of minutes. But after the uprising in 1831, Pope Gregory XXVI, I believe it was that, he basically had to ask James and Karl Rothschild, James of Paris, Karl of Naples, I might have those ones wrong, for a loan of, I think it worked out to like 400,000 Great British Pounds that time, which is like tens of millions today.
Speaker 1The estimates are kind of weird. But some people say like 40 plus million today. And some have like weird estimates of like fucking hundreds of millions. I don't really know. But today it's tens and tens and tens of millions of great British pounds or dollars or whatever, whatever currency you want to use, right? So it was a lot of money at the time.
Speaker 1And also it accumulated more as well from 1832 to like 1850 because they were taking more loans here and there. But there's not a lot of sources on this, so it's not too clear. But there was more loans taken and one in 1850, which we'll get to at some point. So now they have a little bit of money from the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds are now declared the papal banker.
Speaker 1They're declared the official papal banker for the Vatican, right? So now that's weird, right? You have the official papal banker is the Rothschilds. Obviously, you know... It was kind of either take the Jewish banker or go broke, right? That was kind of the situation people left in just because of, you know, the fucking economic standpoint that they were in.
Speaker 1It wasn't like an easy choice, I would say, right? So, you know, we can give criticism on it, but, you know, what more can you do at that point? You either go broke or, you know, here's what it is. But anyway, the general population of Italy obviously weren't a fan. because it was fucking widely known that the Jews wanted to destroy the Papal States, and that they literally funded the past two attempts to destroy the Papal States, or three, four attempts if you split up all the different attempts from France.
Speaker 1So they obviously weren't a big fan. There was also a lot of backlash on the 1832 funding of the Vatican from the Rothschilds, since normally when a Catholic meets the Pope, in a situation like this, the Catholic kisses the Pope out of a sign of respect because they see him as the vicar of Christ, right? That's normally how it goes.
Speaker 1But the Jewish bankers, the Rothschilds, they were given exemptions and they were allowed to just kiss the hand. Catholics weren't a fan of this at all because it was seen as disrespect, right? It was seen as they weren't honoring what they call the vicar of Christ, et cetera. You know, they weren't big fans of it at all.
Speaker 1right? Which, why would they be? You have 1,800 plus years of church history, which is opposed to the Jews, and then, you know, you kind of bend over for the Jews for financial benefit, right? I don't see why anyone would be happy about that. And then, you know, after all of these loans, there's still more loans coming in from 1842 to 1848, but
Speaker 1Then 1848, we have the Guiseppe Mazzini revolution. Mazzini was an Italian guy. I think he was Italian. Yeah, yeah, he was Italian. He was in exile in London, right? Because he wasn't allowed in Italy because he was like a fucking proto, he was like a proto-communist.
Ian MalcolmAnd go ahead really quickly. So, and I say this because, so we're now jumping forward a little bit and I'd love to see, if either from Joanne, from Uncensored, from Grimm, from Gen Z, from Rabbi Shadow. I mean, we've got so many interesting people up here, and there was a lot in there, in particular the intertwining of Napoleon.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm kind of curious just because it's interesting to hear that in some ways Napoleon was regarded very positively, while at the same time there's a lot of really nasty quotes from Napoleon about the Jews. So I'm kind of curious if you wouldn't mind kind of giving your thoughts on why that dissonance might exist. And then I'd also love to see if we could get some other thoughts or any other questions from either Uncensored or Grimm or anybody else about that portion before we jump forward to the next.
Speaker 1Yep. So Napoleon's approach to what we call the Jewish question was more of the forced assimilation route, which is also why you see the situation of him almost proposing a Jewish state in Palestine, right? Because he, you know, thought of the, let's create a Jewish state route. And then he also thought of the, what's it called, of the forced assimilation route.
Speaker 1Let's assimilate them to just become French. And he thought he could do that by letting them out of the ghettos and giving them freedom, which I'm confused at his stupidity of why he would think that. I mean, he didn't really seem like a stupid guy, right? Like, you know, he was a very good military commander. He obviously knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1But was he really that stupid to think that giving the Jews freedom is going to make them assimilate and become one of you and not become hostile to you? That seems pretty fucking stupid and pretty ridiculous, right? He seems pretty delusional. I mean, that's typically his approach. I'm sure other people can give some input on the Napoleon Revolution and whatnot, and Napoleon's views on the Jews, etc.
@malleusigYeah, that's the European... uh optimism at play again we saw when they when they thought that forcing them to convert would fix the problem and it only made the problem worse because they kept all their old spy networks i'm sorry they kept all their old religious networks and went undercover and they learned how to be the best spies the world has ever seen and then they were able to infiltrate organizations institutions that were not open to them at all when they were jews
@malleusigjust by pretending to be catholics so it's like we we've done this we've fallen for this idea that they can be reasoned with they can be uh massaged in some way that would work if it were us and it never works because they're not us like in terms of their temperament in terms of the way they think the way they operate they are fundamentally different and at odds with what we are um
@malleusigSo, again, I'm not surprised Napoleon didn't figure it out. He was still European, man. He was still subject to the same biases and delusions that the rest of us have, I guess.
Speaker 2The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, I think, is the book you were talking about.
Speaker 1That's the one. Perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect. There was one more book I was trying to quote. I can't remember the name of it.
@malleusigI'll find it. If you need any more evidence...
Speaker 1So go ahead.
@malleusigI was going to say we need more evidence of how different they are. If we had gone through an 80 year period of complete truce with us, we would almost universally have decided that, hey, things are good. Let's all be friends and have a good time. Instead, they decided now is the best time to lay the groundwork to kill them.
@malleusigRight. After they've made friends with us. And that is. Sorry, that's incomprehensible to our minds. We don't get that kind of treachery. They don't even see it as treachery. They just see it as tragedy. And that's the problem.
Speaker 3And wasn't he such a war general to where he almost saw them as an asset, like a tool almost, where, and I think, Goy, you said it was like forced assimilation. I think he even made a, you know, something where Jews had almost... marry into French households, or they almost had to marry into French people because he looked at them like they were useful assets as far as an economic standpoint.
Speaker 3Is that something that kind of rings true as far as Napoleon?
Speaker 1Yeah, he allowed for it. Intermarrying with the Jews under the Papal States was banned. It wasn't a thing that was allowed, and he not really allowed it. He lifted that ban. He almost encouraged it, right? Yeah. He saw it as a way that they could become one of us, right? That they could become European, which, again, is very fucking delusional.
Speaker 1As Rabbi Mallius said, we tried it. The Inquisition, right? It was to quite literally hunt these people down who we converted under the Reconquista. And then they kept their Jewish traditions behind closed doors and were still subversive behind closed doors. So the Inquisition comes about and we're hunting these people down, the crypto Jews, etc.
Speaker 1Then we see them all over. We see them all over the slave trade. Right. You know, speculation or you can make good arguments that Columbus was one. Right. You know, some Americans don't like it. You know, some that have an issue with that. But, you know, these people are rampant everywhere. It happens. And after we get into the Guiseppe Mazzini revolution, we'll see Europeans falling for the same trap again.
Speaker 1where they try the conversion route. Do you think that method is going to work again? But it just doesn't work. You need to pull a Saint Cyril of Alexandria route.
Ian MalcolmRabbi Ingoy, so I'll give you an interesting one. Rabbi, I'll be very curious for your thoughts on this one, because as often when I went into Grok and I started playing around with the Founding Fathers and some of their perspectives and views, and Grok initially wanted to say, as it always does, that no, none of the founders had any views that were quote unquote anti-Semitic.
Ian MalcolmAnd then you start feeding it quotes and it's like, well, they did say that, but here's why. And then you get the pill from Grok. Here was an interesting one. Yeah. And this is from John Adams. And John Adams said, once restored to an independent government, no longer persecuted, they, the Jews, would wear away. some of the peculiarities of their character and their morals, and possibly in time become liberal, Unitarian, perhaps Christians.
Ian MalcolmAnd so the thing that's really curious about it is inherent in that John Adams was saying, this is a very different group of people that have a different set of morals. They've got a different set of principles. They, they operate very different from us. But if we merge them together, maybe somewhere down the line, things will work out better than they have in the past.
Ian MalcolmIt's wild to hear that this is essentially what Napoleon also, I suppose, thought would be possible.
Speaker 4It's that unbridled optimism. I was going to share that too. The Sanhedrin, the Grand Sanhedrin, there's something I tell people about a lot. February 9th, 1807, Napoleon summoned 111, but 72 officially declared themselves
Speaker 4as the Sanhedrin, essentially the high court from 1,700 years prior. Basically, they were like, yes, we are that same men of the Great Assembly who put together the Tanakh, and we are vested with power by God to lead the House of Israel. Then they declared themselves the Sanhedrin. That was February 9, 1807. And then that's when he basically allowed them to, there was questions that they had to answer in court about,
Speaker 4you know, their law versus civil law and their duty to be patriotic and, you know, prohibiting them from doing usury and allow them to, you know, intermarry or stay in their own stuff. And then five years later, he put decree again, like restricting them because, you know, he was trying to like, you know, yes. So, yeah, Napoleon did try.
Speaker 4He tried to. Yeah, but he actually allowed them to basically get like the Sanhedrin was like a good thing for them in a way. It allowed them to get, like, you know, a lot of freedoms, which they, you know, it's very dangerous, obviously.
@malleusigEducate ourselves on them to the same degree that they educate themselves on us, right? So they have, I mean, you've seen what goes on in Kiri Joel, right? They literally just spend all day studying, every single day studying the Torah. But, like... I'm willing to bet they don't just study the Torah. They study us. They study our books.
@malleusigThey study our laws. They study the United States law. They study medicine. They study all kinds of stuff. And what they do is they surround and encapsulate us as entities, right, by understanding us. We don't do the same thing to them. And this is why these discussions are so important. It's because this is how it starts.
@malleusigAnd this is why they hate it when we talk to each other. Because we're figuring them out, right? We're not just accepting their version of our history. We're going through and asking ourselves, is that really what happened? And is there something else going on that I haven't been told? And we're educating each other about what that thing is or what it might be.
@malleusigAnd we're learning about them. Like we're learning what their nature really is. We're learning how they really tick. We're learning... why they do the horrible thing. We're learning that they do the horrible things they do, first of all, because that's been in for us a long time. And then we're learning why they learn the horrible things they do.
@malleusigAnd it makes sense, right? It's not some kind of hateful trope. It's not some kind of anti-Semitic extremist foaming at the mouth, babbling about gas chambers or whatnot. This is real stuff. This is European history that's been hidden from us. And when we when we really get it out there, when really more people over time listen in on these discussions, tune into it, pick up this information, they start asking the same questions.
@malleusigWhy wasn't I taught this? Let me go down to my local library or check the internet and confirm that this stuff actually happened because it usually checks out. It's just that no one's ever brought it to anyone's attention before, right? They don't destroy the...
@malleusigthe history outright, what they do is they just make it boring so no one really looks into it. And then they make it unpopular. So if you do look into it, then we can call you some kind of a weirdo or maybe you're an anti-Semite. I don't know. You might not be welcome in our social group if that's the kind of way you talk.
@malleusigIf you use the word Jew or Gaza or Palestine, right? You see those words over and over again too often. We're going to have to look at you a little bit sideways because you might be an anti-Semite. And... We can't let you into polite society if that's the case. And that's how they control the conversation. I remember I saw one on Twitter.
@malleusigI saw the best description of Jewish power that I've seen so far. I forget who said it. But the quote was, Jewish power is the ability to control the discussion on Jewish power. And that pretty much sums it up for me. They are masters. at controlling the discussion on any topic they don't like. And if they don't like a topic, it usually comes down to affecting Jewish power in some way.
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Ian MalcolmSo no, this is, this is really, this is really wonderful Goy because, um, When we think about this, we often hear and we get critics that will say it's not just the Jews. And it's strange because that's never been the position that I think any of us have taken, right? We've always said there's plenty of the Shabbos Goya that are working along.
Ian MalcolmAnd obviously there's shadowy figures that are undermining things like the Vatican, right? But now we're actually getting to the heart of the matter because when people talk about the Vatican being subverted, I've heard truth teller a million different ways talk about how, well, yeah, they, They got loans from the Rothschilds and from there forward, everything kind of went downhill.
Ian MalcolmBut now we're understanding the intimate geopolitical activities that took place and transpired that brought that about, which is incredibly interesting. And so I'm really curious. So we're leaving kind of the 17, we're entering into the, if I'm not mistaken, maybe the mid 1800s. So now we're post loans, we're post some of these developments with Napoleon.
Ian MalcolmWhere did things start to pick up and how did they shift from here?
Speaker 1Yeah, so we're around, I believe we're, yeah, we're at Giuseppe Mazzini's revolution, right? It's around 1848, right? So papal states are back, right? They're back to an extent. Rome is back in control of the church, etc. However, the finances, you know, there's this financial foot on the neck of the church. The Jewish foot on the neck of the church in terms of finances.
Speaker 1But we come up to 1848, we have Giuseppe Mazzini. Giuseppe Mazzini is like the proto-communist, socialist, revolutionary type of guy that we saw all throughout Europe, in Spain, Italy, France, etc. All these Rosa Luxembourg type characters and stuff. But he was in London because he wasn't allowed in Italy, because he was banned, obviously.
Speaker 1And he was pretty much just writing multiple pamphlets. He was like an intellectual mind, right? He had foot soldiers and people who did the recruiting for the actual revolutionaries, but he was the quote-unquote mind of the revolutions, the one who actually makes things tick, right? He makes the clock tick. He creates the theory behind the revolution and pushes it forward.
Speaker 1He also gains the funders and the financiers, obviously, as well. But he was printing out a bunch of pamphlets and trying to get support for his political movement that was rising up until 1848. Obviously, it wasn't allowed in Italy. And he was gaining a lot of funds from different Jewish merchants, as usual. And these two pretty much went hand in hand for this up-and-coming revolution that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1You had the Jewish financiers, and you have the Goyim foot soldiers, should we call it. So it was basically just another attempt at the 1831 uprising, as well as the French Revolution's liberation of the Jews. They wanted to implement secular values. They wanted to get rid of the death penalty. They wanted to implement freedom of religion.
Speaker 1All these secular values that have seemed to... infiltrated our societies through their various means um but he used the jews of lavona and ancona that we talked about earlier to um like work the trade routes to smuggle in all of his pamphlets that were banned in italy you weren't allowed to produce them in italy sell them in italy they were smuggled through the the free pot um that we spoke about and this was basically like the perfect underground railroad to push his pussy pushes a revolutionary idea
Speaker 1And then this was moving all over Italy, just like when the communist revolution started to kick off in Europe in the 1900s. It's basically just a precursor to that. It's just a prototype of that, should we say. Then it was, which Pope was it? Pope Paul IX, I believe.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think it was Pope Paul IX for this time, right? Some people saw this Pope as like a reformer. Not a reformer, but kind of like a modernizer-ish. And he tried to appease crowds, right? By appealing more to, you know, like the secular values. Not going all the way, but, you know, just appeasing to them a bit more and being more lenient on the Jews and just in general, like the idea of secular values and whatnot.
Speaker 1He appoints this prime minister. Pellegrino Rossi. Nothing else with them. And this guy is, you know, he's the guy who's supposed to, like, modernize the government in a way, right? Not strip it of all of its Catholic values. You know, something that we'll see later after the revolution actually happens, right? But, you know, he was just supposed to modernize it a little bit.
Speaker 1But in 1840, he arrives at the Palazzo dello Cannellaria. wherever that is um a member of the crowd stabs him right stabs him in the neck and then he dies then the mobs end up rioting yet again somehow these revolutions always like to start with some type of riot some type of you know assassination type thing right so they start rioting and uh rising up there's also historians who say that this riot yet again was
Speaker 1also provocated by the Jews. Seems to be a reoccurring theme, right? That the populace blames these things on the Jews. I doubt it's just because, you know, they're just rabid anti-Semites, right? I'm sure there's, you know, some type of, you know, case to be made for it.
Ian MalcolmIt's almost like every single time something happens. It's weird.
Speaker 1Every single time it's a Jew. Every single time. But... But yeah, so he dies, the mobs are rioting, they're rising up. They even point cannons at the windows of the Pope's palace and they're demanding that he steps down and they're demanding some type of democratic type of government and they want to declare war against Austria for some fucking reason, right?
Speaker 1Because they're like the protectors of the Papal States and whatnot. And then after these crowds rioted, the Pope realizes, you know, if he stays, he's either going to be taken captive and be like a puppet of the revolution and just be, you know, told what to say and he's going to lead his people into their demise, right?
Speaker 1Or he's going to become a martyr, right? So what he did was he disguises himself as like a simple priest, right? Which to a lot of the Catholics at the time, it was seen as a humiliating moment. within Catholic history, right? Because the vicar of Christ, as they call it, is disguising himself just as a simple priest, right?
Speaker 1And he flees to Gaeta, which is like the fortress city in the kingdom of the two Sicilies, right? Which is in Naples, I think. And he was pretty much under the protection of King Ferdinand II. And then he was sat here for months. So... You know, you can imagine he sat here, his country or his regions, right, are pretty much being overthrown yet again, yet again for like the third time now by Jewish funded revolutionaries.
Speaker 1And he's just getting less and less lenient on them like he was before when he tried to be, you know, he tried to be more of a modernizing putt. And now he becomes this reactionary. It becomes this reactionary who believes that democracy is the work of the devil, that we can't stand for democracy, so on and so forth. And he then develops a very harsh stance on the revolutionaries.
Speaker 1And when he was gone, well, he was gone while he was hiding in Gaeta, Rome holds its first ever democratic elections. First ever democratic elections. Then in February, they declare the Roman Republic. The Roman Republic is then declared, and the government was led by three men. One was the military guy, can't remember his name, but the main guy was Giuseppe Mazzini.
Speaker 1He was the intellectual leader. He was the guy who put the ideas on board. He was the guy who put the theory forward, etc. He was the intellectual leader. He basically pushed and made the car move.
Speaker 1But basically, he wanted to just replace the vicar of Christ with God and the people, which is a strange phrase. He wanted it to be God and the people, and he believed that Rome should be the moral center, but in a unified but secular way. Not where the Pope has control over these states and whatnot. It's all secular, but it has the morals of Catholicism, which I don't know how he's going to do that when he was liberating the Jews.
Speaker 1It doesn't really make sense. It seems pretty contrary to what actual Catholic morals are and whatnot. Basically, he just destroys the papal states, brings them into Italy itself, And he's having his super gay liberal hippie revolution. He removes the death penalty. He implements religious freedom, which, what does this do?
Speaker 1Just grants full rights to the Jews yet again. Full rights to them yet again. They have full citizenship now. They're allowed to do what they want. Rather than being in the ghetto, now they can pretty much do whatever they want. Fund... more of the revolution if they want to take more regions so on and so forth right this is you know a reoccurring theme it seems to be right that the jews fund the revolution the revolution frees the jews every time um but then he he seizes churches lands and distributes it to poor people and stuff you know seems pretty pretty commie pretty pro or commie um he changes the education system before they would be like religious schools
Speaker 1Right. Or religion will be taught in the school, should we say. And he just gives them on to secular teachings. And then this goes on for like a year. He's doing all this reform, et cetera. And then in late 1849, the Pope was in Goethe and he called all the Catholic powers of Europe to help him. Right. It was enough. We're fucking sick of these cunts, the destroying the culture of our region.
Speaker 1We need to get him out of there. So he calls all the Catholic powers of Europe to help him and to take back the region. So you have Napoleon III of France sends 30,000 troops to Rome to invade the Republic. Not because he was this religious guy, but he kind of just wanted to win support over the French Catholics, to be honest.
Speaker 1He wasn't this heavily religious guy. But during this battle, you have... Garibaldi, who was this military commander, he was on the side of Mazzini. He was fighting against the 30,000 troops from Napoleon I. And he led the defense on Janikulam Hill. And this had a lot of Jewish soldiers, by the way. So for once, the Jews aren't just sitting on the rast.
Speaker 1They're not just funding things. Now they're actually somewhat getting involved in the footwork. Right? They're like, you know what? Let's help out a little bit. You know, let's get our hands dirty. So some of the most prominent soldiers within the ranks, like military advisors, et cetera, were Jewish on this defense. And then there's like a month of just heavy shelling and artillery, et cetera.
Speaker 1And the French win, right? They help the Pope. They breach the walls. Then Mazzini and his troops and Garibaldi's troops, they flee, right? They flee. Then the French then occupy the city. And they proceeded to take back more and more of the cities that were papal states before. And then the Pope then returns to Rome April 1850.
Speaker 1He's no longer this liberal Pope anymore that he was in the earlier years in 1846. Now he's sick of the Jews. He's sick of these fucking revolutionaries. He's a reactionary. He wants to hunt down the revolutionaries and he wants to keep them on a leash. So he establishes a network of spies. to stop them all, a type of Gestapo police force, I guess we could call it.
Speaker 1They just hunted down anyone who supported Messina. And then while he was doing this, one of the first acts he implements again was to undo every single reform of the 1849 Republic, such as he rebuilt the ghetto walls, he put the Jews back into the ghettos. He put the financial penalties back on the Jews. And then he did like a type of inquisition on them, which is where he would just investigate all of the Jews, just like they did back in the actual inquisition.
Speaker 1Right. But this time it was people who helped the revolutionaries. Right. So we're trying to see if you hold to the revolutionary ideas still after the revolution has been dismantled. Right. So it's a type of inquisition. And then in 1850, the Pope, you know, He takes it back. He puts all the Jews in ghettos. But guess what?
Speaker 1All those Jews had all the money that they took from you in the first place. So now you put them all in ghettos. We're broke again. What can we do? We've got to go back to the bankers. So also, another reason they were broke is because these 30,000 French troops, you know, they weren't paying for themselves, right? He paid for the housing, the food, etc.
Speaker 1All of this, the salaries. So he had to take a loan from the Rothschilds. I can't remember how much this one was for. If I remember, it was like 3 million scudi, which is, I think that's like the Roman currency of the time. I don't know what that is today, but I'm assuming it's a fucking ridiculous amount. Maybe I'll pull that up later.
Speaker 1I can't remember how much it was for. But anyway, from 1850 to 1860, the papal states and the church, you know, they seem to be doing pretty good, right? They have the Jews locked down, the revolutionaries locked down. You know, although, you know, they're under a financial boot of the Jew, they have some money going for them, right?
Speaker 1If they wanted to, they could kick the Jewish bankers out, etc. But, you know, they didn't. I don't know why. Who knows, right? Hindsight and whatnot. But we get to around 1861. This is when the Kingdom of Italy is established, right? Which was basically started in Piedmont, Sarnadia. It had the Prime Minister Camillo Benso, who was like, he was the, what did he call it?
Speaker 1He was like a master of finance. So he had a lot of links with other Jewish merchants and financiers. And Piedmont itself had a shit ton of Jews. A lot of the Jews from all the other papal states that reinstated the mandatory ghettos and stuff like this, they all fled to there because that was the first place to grant Jews full civil rights.
Speaker 1That was the first Italian state, sorry. to grant the Jews full civil rights. So they call it like a brain drain. All the smartest and the wealthiest Jews from all the different papal states, they all flee to Turin, which is where this is, to help build this new kingdom, the kingdom of Italy, right? And one of the closest advisors to Camillo Benso was Isaac Alton.
Speaker 1He was a Jew and he was the private secretary and basically the primary diplomat. And he was the, you know, as we know it, the man behind the curtain or as, you know, our... memes and and characters like to point out the man holding the puppet strings right so he's the man behind the curtain um he's negotiating all the secret alliances with the french and all the finance financial deals of all the other jewish bankers you know all over the globe etc because you know there were jewish bankers in the netherlands in uh in spain not as much but some did go back uh northern africa for all the livestock grain so on and so forth
Speaker 1So then this Kingdom of Italy was basically there to oppose the Papal States and the Catholic Church, right? And the Rothschilds, right? So one thing is they fund the Pope just to keep him afloat. But then they're funding the Kingdom of Italy more than they're funding the Pope. And they're funding him for weaponry. resources, railroads, because they believed that they needed railroads to actually win the revolution this time.
Speaker 1That's what they believed for some reason. They believed that's what would work. So the Jews, the Rothschilds specifically, they were funding that. And they were still lending money to the Pope, or they lent their money to the Pope, just to keep him afloat, which is very sadistic and weird. Very, very sadistic and weird.
Speaker 1They were keeping him afloat And, you know, you can kind of imagine why. Right. Since, you know, the Jews love to fund both sides of a war because wars equals money. Right. One side is going to need resources, but maybe that side is also going to run out of hard currency. How are they going to get hard currency? By giving resources in order for hard currency or.
Speaker 1by getting credit or by getting loans. The loans then have, you know, a usurious interest rate, which then basically just fucks the Europeans in any financial deal they do, because now they're in big debt to the Jews, et cetera, right? So, you know, they keep the Pope afloat, then they fund the opposition to the Pope. And then they basically provide the kingdom with all the money it needs to modernize its army, right?
Speaker 1To eventually take over the Papal States. And then later on, The banker, his name is Nelderino d'Italia. I can't remember his name. I think that's the name. But it's basically just a precursor of the Bank of Italy, right? It was basically just like the financial backbone of the Kingdom of Italy. And it was basically just full of Jewish banking houses.
Speaker 1Full of them. All the ones from Genoa and Milan, such as like the Paradi family and the Balafi family, right? they were just capitalizing off this bank. They were in there all over. And then they implemented these quote-unquote patriotic loans, as they call them for some weird reason, right? And then in 1860 to 1861, the government issues these national loans and all the Jewish merchants across Italy all bought these in like massive quantities, right?
Speaker 1So similar to the French Revolution, when they knew what the outcome was, they bought a load of bonds, etc. Right? They're doing the same thing here. Right? They're buying these quote-unquote patriotic loans, as they call them, in bulk, and they're just waiting for the economy to tank. They're basically just betting their entire fortune that the Pope is going to lose and the Kingdom of Italy was going to win.
Speaker 1Right? And then the Kingdom of Italy, you know um by by 18 by 18 what year was it by 1867 i think it was right kingdom of italy's basically taken all the papal states apart from the city of rome taken everything apart from the city of rome right and then there was the final push in late 1870 right and the commander of this push by the way so we've moved just past funding now we have commanders of the military itself was
Speaker 1uh geocomos segre c-e-g-r-e is his last name um he was jewish by the way he was quite literally jewish he was the jewish commander and there's certain historians that point out that when they um came to the walls of rome when the kingdom of italy's army came to the walls of rome they chose him to order the fire of the cannons because they thought that you know if there was any catholic officers
Speaker 1They probably would have hesitated or, you know, they would have felt a type of way about sending cannons on what they call the Eternal City, right? So he had no, you know, religious affiliation to the Catholic Church, right? He was the perfect person to send off the cannons for the inversion, right? So this Jewish commander, boom, sends it off.
Speaker 1They take Rome over. Now they have Rome, right? The papal states at this point are all dead. from 1870 to 1878. The Pope at this point is a prisoner inside the Vatican. He refused to recognize the Kingdom of Italy. The Kingdom of Italy tried to give him a stipend of 3 million. I can't remember what currency. I can't remember what currency.
Speaker 1But it was 3 million, whatever the currency was. Whatever the currency was at the time. The Pope refused and said, no, I'm not taking... any penny of this this is blood money from thieves then in 70 in 74 he issued a decree called the non-expedit which just uh it made it forbidden for any catholic to vote or participate in any type of politics relating to the kingdom of italy and this pretty much was put in place for decades i believe this was put in place until the 1900s i think if i'm not wrong
Speaker 1But then you have from 1878 to 1914, you have like this Jewish cultural shift. It's very weird, right? Rome basically goes this massive transformation where the new government, the Kingdom of Italy, destroys a bunch of churches. It builds a bunch of secular monuments like the Vittoriano, right? The Roman ghetto is demolished since the Jews are free from the ghetto now.
Speaker 1They're allowed to live where they want. They're granted full citizenship rights. So they destroy the ghetto. They build them these modern apartments for the Jews to live in. And they build them the great synagogue of Rome. This big, great synagogue for them. Which is interesting. Yet again, a natural revolution. Why would it just be for the benefit of the Jews?
Speaker 1It doesn't really make sense. Right? But just before 1914, you have 1907 to like 1913, 1914, you have Ernesto Nathan. I think that's his name. Basically, he was the son of Mezzini's Jewish benefactor, who was Sarah Nathan. He was one of the other funders of Mezzini at the time, right? He was a Jewish banker from London, I believe.
Speaker 1Anyway, this Jew is then elected as the mayor of Rome. And for the Italian Catholics, right, for the Lions, this is humiliating. You have a Jewish guy running for mayor in the Eternal City, right, while the Pope is sat captive in the Vatican, basically just across the river. This is, you know, this is nothing that a true Catholic wants, obviously.
Speaker 1So nobody's happy with that. There's uproar about it, etc. But it happens. And then later on, the Pope and the Kingdom of Italy's government, they seem to start cooperating. But not out of a want, but more of a necessity. The Catholics then start to re-enter politics, mainly just to fight against the socialist revolutions that seem to be happening in 1919 and onwards.
Speaker 1And then the non-expedit was lifted and the Catholics were allowed to form the Papato Populare Italiano, which is just, that's just like the precursor to the Christian Democrats, right? And then, you know, the Papal States are never returned, right? They're never returned. They're not returned to this day. But in 1929, this is like, you know, the only good outcome we have, we have Benito Mussolini and Popeye is the 11th.
Speaker 1they sign a treaty, right? They sign a treaty, which brings about what we know today as the Vatican City, right? The, what is it? 40, however many square meters it is, right? The Vatican City, that is created, right? The Vatican City State, sorry. And the Pope is paid 1.75 billion lira or whatever it is, right? And bonds...
Speaker 1et cetera, in cash and bonds as reparations for all the land that they stole in 1817. So basically that's the entire history, right? From 1555 up until 1929, right? Concerning the papal states, the Jewish infiltration of the papal states, the amount of times the Vatican and the Catholic churches had to fight off these Jewish funded revolutions.
Speaker 1Also, the amount of times they've been forced to take Jewish loans, etc. Right? But that's basically everything from 1555 to 19... Yeah, to 1929. Ian, you can give your input, and then if anyone has any questions before we move on to, you know, the more meat and potatoes of the topic that I consume.
Speaker 3That was incredibly well said, by the way.
Speaker 1Appreciate it, bro. Hey, how you guys doing?
Speaker 1We're good. We're good. Who was I speaking?
Ian MalcolmThat was M. No, that was a not going to hear much more from that guy. But no, that was that was spectacular. And look, the thing that's so interesting, right, is the the ability for us. And I'm sure there's lots of people who will relate to this one. I'm sure there's lots of individuals that the idea of history class once upon a time or the history section of a bookstore seemed really uninteresting.
Ian MalcolmAnd then you start looking at history through these lenses and it's like, wow, this is actually unbelievably, not only interesting, but also relevant. And since we have Khan up here, and I know that he wasn't necessarily in earlier when you were talking about kind of the angle that Napoleon played in all of this. But Converse, I'm kind of curious.
Ian MalcolmI know you know this subject inside and out, unlike almost anybody else on X, but were you aware of some of the background leading up to some of the intricacies with the Rothschilds, the loans to the Vatican, the reason those came about, the extraction of essentially all the hard currency and real value that the Vatican had via the Rothschilds?
Ian MalcolmWere you aware of all these nuances and details, or is this also a first for you?
Speaker 5There are elements most likely that are going to be first for me. I had read about this stuff, I think, in 2008 and 2009, the first time, about Vatican II and how basically they became the bank, essentially, or just took over. And I know there's other nuances to it, too. I mean, I know that there's a different history.
Speaker 5I know that I've talked to E. Michael Jones about this, who's also a historian. He's written about 12 books on the Jews. And he has a slightly different perspective, but he understands and recognizes that this was a very i guess dark period where you know the power of the the catholic church was essentially taken from them because even now if you'll think about it i mean they have sway over what over a billion people on earth and um you know it could be a it could be a force that could be reckoned with and honestly historically at least in america it's been the catholics who've been collectively more effective against jews than all the different protestant tribes so it is unfortunate that you know
Speaker 5all these different groups get controlled it's the same thing a lot of times in the islamic world as well they've done these uh additional efforts to subvert um popular you know sunni mosques and things like that with hand-picked uh imams who speak a certain tune and focus like for example in the current day they focus on the shias as opposed to the jews or so obvious that the jews are the enemy it's written in the book
Speaker 5And it's the same thing, you know, in the Bible. And so, you know, they're the enemy in the Bible as well. And, you know, I know that there's been a variety of different pressure mechanisms deployed by organized Jewry historically on the church to kind of isolate those verses, wipe them out in some cases, or at least condemn them as anti-Semitic, etc.
Speaker 5And so there's a lot to be learned from this kind of subversion. And I think that, you know, Catholics would be wise to tune in and hear more about this. And, you know, likewise for every other religious individual.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And Goyfather, any thoughts on that before you kind of go on to the next segment here?
Speaker 1Yeah, I think he put it perfectly. I mean, yeah, that is typically what we see. We see the Catholics are definitely more opposed to the Jews than any Protestant group. denomination we can find. Anthony Westgate has done a lot of stuff about the Jewish infiltration, or not infiltration, but the Jewish influence on the Protestant Reformation itself.
Speaker 1So you can probably look up some stuff about that. There's also books on the Jews and the Protestant Reformation and how a lot of the main doctrines that were developed under the Protestant Reformation, you can find them all rooted within Kabbalah than you actually can within early christian thought and stuff so the catholics are always known to be historically opposed to the jews that's why you know we're getting to uh we're getting some jewish theology about why the jews hate the catholics so much you know maybe we should have done this at the start but now there's more people it's probably better to do it now so to the jews you have edom you have esau
Speaker 1Amalek tend to, you know, be used interchangeably to the Jews, right? Since Amalek is just a descendant of Esau to them, right? In Jewish thought, Edom will be burnt to the ground. The Amalekites, the same, will be burnt to the ground. There's many different views of what the Amalekites refers to, whether it is a physical nation or whether it's spiritual or whether it's both.
Speaker 1There's a physical aspect and there's a spiritual aspect, right? The spiritual aspect is basically the spiritual religion of Amalek that they claim. Or like people like Abraham Yitzhak Cook says, he was the first Ashkenazi chief rabbi, sorry, of the mandate of Palestine. He basically says anybody who opposes the state of Israel is Amalek.
Speaker 1And we know that in Jewish thought, all of Amalek needs to be unalived. It's the commandment in order for them to start building their temple. There's the three things. You build a temple, establish a king, annihilate Amalek. Right? That's how it works. They're the three things they need to do. So you have the physical Amalek, which is the Palestinians.
Speaker 1They're in the land. They're directly opposed to the state of Israel because they are obviously in the way. Then you have the spiritual Amalekites, which is basically just all of us, right? Anybody who opposes the Israel, anybody who opposes the Jews in any way, we're all Amalek, right? We're all spiritual Amalek. But then you have spiritual Edom.
Speaker 1The Jews view Ishmael and Edom this way. They view Ishmael as Islam, Edom as Christianity. Basically in Jewish thought, in the Zohar, I think it's in 12.17, in around 179, I believe, on Sapphira. I think it's around there. It speaks of Jacob wrestling with the angel of the Lord. In our view, it depends how you take it.
Speaker 1You might take it as the angel of the Lord is Christ or isn't Christ, is God. But anyway, we take it to be the angel of the Lord. In the Zohar, in this specific passage, it takes this to be the guardian angel of Esau. the guardian angel of Esau. But the guardian angel of Esau is also referred to in the Zohar as Samael, or the prince of the demons.
Speaker 1But then in books like the Sefer Halakhotum and other later Kabbalistic works, they liken Samael and this prince of demons to Christ. They say that the guardian angel of Esau is Christ himself. Which is why Maimonides, Ibn Ezra, every Jewish theologian you can think of that has wrote anything concerning who Edom is today, they all say it's Rome.
Speaker 1They all say it's Rome and they say it's Rome because Rome was Edom. The religion of Rome is Christianity. The religion of Edom is Christianity. So that's why Edom today is simply just Christendom, which is, you know, that just relates to the West, right? So the Western world is Edom. That is what we are to these people, which is why they have this great vendetta at taking us down.
Speaker 1And obviously the Catholics have been more at the forefront of taking these people down. And because the more, you know, the more related to Rome, I guess, in this like colloquial sense, right? When you think of, Catholicism you think of Rome right so that's why the Jews hate Rome so much and Catholicism so much because these are linked to Edom they believe God hated Edom not just favored him less no they believe God hated Edom they hate Edom they believe they need to wipe out Edom they believe they can't let Edom be above them they must be above Edom right
Ian Malcolmso well and and go it wasn't uh benjamin netanyahu even reading that book specifically about this very issue he was exactly so that that idea of saying that oh this is just you know a fairy tale or something along those lines apparently not to netanyahu who is currently continuing his war and his genocide and all of his other crazy nonsense and so it's you know people come into these rooms and say oh you guys are speaking hyperbolically this is uh really abstract it's
Ian MalcolmNot abstract. These are the things that even the leader of Israel right now take very, very seriously and don't view as some kind of, you know, either fairy tale or or kind of mythology. These are things that they obviously are not just thinking about, but acting on.
Speaker 1Yeah, they all have chief rabbis, all of these quote unquote secular Jewish leaders. They all have chief rabbis. They all have some type of, you know, theological guy that they go to write like Shnesen. Schneerson was a big influence on Netanyahu. Nobody denies that. He's not this secular guy whatsoever. They're very much religious.
Speaker 1They're very much religious. That's why they have chief rabbis at the IDF, etc. So on and so forth. They can never say they're not religious. Also, cheap promo. Go look at my sub-stack article on the actions of the Talmudic state where I go over how... Israel's creation is not merely secular. It's rooted within Judaism.
Speaker 1And I mentioned stuff to do with the Amalekites. So the stuff we just mentioned, the sources in there referencing it from the Talmud, et cetera. So you'll be able to see some of them and stuff like that. Maybe I'll do another one on who is Edom according to the Jews, et cetera, where I can give other sources so people can use them for reference.
Speaker 1But if you want something quick, just go look at Obadiah 118 and go look at any rabbi's commentary on it. He mentions Edom. If you look there, most of them are just going to refer to Edom as the West. That's typically how it goes. Someone actually put something good here. If we can put this in the pill. Care to space. Someone shared a clip of a rabbi who actually mentions it.
Speaker 1He mentions buildings in the land of Edom in the West. This is something that Jews admit all the time, that the West is Edom and that the East is Ishmael. and that there's going to be this war between Edom and Ishmael, and they're going to facilitate it. It also gets into the behemoth and the Leviathan, but all of that is tedious and whatnot, so we'll leave it.
Speaker 1But yeah, that's one reason they hate the West, they hate the Catholic Church, they hate white people, they hate all things related to the West, is because of these theological reasons. Not merely just because the white man was mean to the Jew, right? They have a preeminent hit. They have a presupposed hit. Even if we didn't harm them, they would still despise us.
Speaker 1So, yeah, that's typically how they think of us within their literature.
Speaker 5A couple of quick points, Grayfather. First and foremost, I was curious about Nostra Aetate, so I don't know if you've completed the subject. If not, that's cool. Just hold it. But, yeah, if you can get to that, because I'm a little curious about... what brought that about and, you know, whether or not there was any pernicious subterranean Jewish influence on that.
Speaker 5And then the other thing I wanted to bring up just as a always remember kind of thing, as far as it relates to Judaism and their so-called religious beliefs, it has a very thin veneer of, you know, strict monotheism to the point where they'll put a dash in between G and D when they say God. However, Judaism is also paganistic.
Speaker 5Judaism is also satanic. Right. And it has a variety of different kind of, I guess, shape shifting theology. And it's meant to be very difficult and, you know, quote unquote, mystical. You can't understand it. Things like that. Oh, yeah, there is one God. But, you know, actually. We're cool with Satan. There's demon worship in there.
Speaker 5There's demon collaboration in there. So there's so much stuff. So when you say religious, a lot of people traditionally think of that as, oh, it's one of the three Abrahamic monotheistic faiths. I obviously completely disagree with that. So I think it's always good to put that as a kind of a asterisk on this whole idea of Judaism.
Speaker 5Because I used to, I think about 10 years ago, I started... typing out judaism as j e w d e i s m because it's also a cult of self-worship they collectively think of themselves as superior to the godhead they think of certain individual rabbis as superior to god to the point where god lost debates to them so you know i think whatever suits them for the goyim that they're trying to attract and use um they will use those different elements and so you know in islam in islamic theology i mean we we have a verse specifically about
Speaker 5how they're going to be the worst of our enemies because of this very factor and how they deliberately pervert words and pervert, you know, faith and things like that. And I mean, obviously their larger strategic objective here in these, I guess what you would call end times is to essentially force the hand of God to bring their Messiah by making the world that corrupt.
Speaker 5And obviously they've used all these mechanisms like paganism and Satanism and things like that. Luciferianism, if you will. to achieve that objective. So it's, I think it's important to, to always remember that as far as it relates to them and their faith, because Islam and Christianity generally, you can kind of understand, okay, there's a universal morality, things like that, but then it's anything flies, you know, as long as it's effective at lifting them collectively over the rest of us.
Speaker 1Exactly. Uh, on Australia target, we are going to get there. That's the next part. We just went in the history pre Vatican two. Now we're moving on to Vatican two. stuff, right? So we're going to be getting there very shortly, but just on some of the stuff you noted about Jews claiming to be strict monotheists, but then when you look at the beliefs, it seems to have some holes in this quote-unquote strict monotheism.
Speaker 1The thing I was mentioning with Samael, the prince of demons, wrestling with Jacob,
Speaker 1The blessing that comes from that, that gives them the name Israel, was given by the prince of demons, which is kind of weird because this blessing is no longer given by God or given by God through an angel of the Lord. It's given through the prince of demons. So the prince of demons is the one blessing them with this name in their thought, which is very, very strange.
Speaker 1Very confusing, very strange why that would even happen, right? It's pretty confusing. But I don't know if anyone else has got anything to add or ask before we get on to Vatican II stuff. Anyone got anything?
@joann_marieNo, this is amazing. I just need to listen to this again because this is just, yeah, no. I love your work, my father. I'm really, really happy you're back.
Ian MalcolmActually, why don't we do this, just because so much has been shared. And I know we've got about 300 people in here at this point, a decent chunk of which were probably not here for the last hour or so, which was extremely comprehensive. Would you mind giving essentially a consolidated, you know, minute or two or three summarization of some of the major pieces of this story that you've just shared over what is roughly about a
Ian Malcolma century or so worth of time, and then we're going to roll that into Vatican II.
Speaker 1Perfect. Okay, yeah. All right, so let's think how we pull this. All right, so 1555, a decree is established. Jews, get in the ghettos. Wear the yellow badge. You can't be a doctor for the Christian. You can't own property. You're only allowed one synagogue. Boom. Gets more relaxed. 1775, A different Pope then reinstates these and makes it harsher.
Speaker 1Now, if you caught sleeping outside the ghetto, arrested, right? A lot more harsher, so on and so forth. Further forward, 1780s, you have revolutions happening, Jewish-funded revolutions, which we have spoke about. You have Jacobin networks, right? This is a Napoleonic era. You had spies within the Papal States who were working and giving information over to the French.
Speaker 1And then this eventually led to the invasion of the Papal States, which was funded by Jews like Moses Formagini, right? They took over Bologna and Ferrara. The ghetto walls were instantly removed as soon as Napoleon's army conquered the area, right? Conquered the region. The Jews, after Napoleon conquers the region, then you know start writing poems and celebrating and declaring things that like napoleon is like the second cyrus calling him like a messianic figure sent by god to save them um they start taking more people states more jews from different regions who were very very wealthy started helping them even more by getting uh livestock and grain from under the from the jews under the ottoman empires who were very favorable um
Speaker 1Then further going, they don't have Rome at this point, but they have all the other papal states and the Jews are being liberated from all these other papal states. Then they want to take Rome. They make the Pope give them 30 million francs, right? They don't have 30 million francs. So they take gold, silver from all the churches, the altar pieces, the chalices, the jewelry, and they melt them.
Speaker 1And because the French doesn't have money to just, you know, to exchange these, etc., Basically, what they do is the Formagini family were the middlemen. They would buy the gold and convert it into bills of exchange to give to Napoleon to pay his troops, so on and so forth. Then this deal was basically thrown out of the window because of an assassination of someone, which happened because of a riot that the Jews most likely provocated.
Speaker 1And then we go further down. You have some general called Louis-Alexander Berthier. He enters Rome. you know, ends the Pope's temporal power, right? The Pope is then exiled to France where he dies. The Jews are basically partying. They were celebrating. They, you know, they were joining the French revolutionary spirit, et cetera.
Speaker 1Then a coalition happens. The Austrian, the Russian, the Brits, they create a coalition. The Russians enter and invade Northern Italy. Then from the South, the Kingdom of Naples, starts marching into Rome. The French, they're surrounded. They flee. And then they retreat in 1799. And then the Jews were instantly sent back into servitude, instantly reinstated all the ghettos.
Speaker 1They were blamed for the French occupation. The houses were raided, so on and so forth. Then Napoleon, who was in Egypt during this coalition's retaking of the land, he comes back. instantly marches back into italy defeats the austrians he then signs a deal with the pope instead of attacking rome right away but then eight years later he attacks rome because the pope refuses to help him um and then he annexes rome and now it's a part of the french republic he kidnaps the pope in a mandoro type night raid um he abolishes the ghettos again and any type of idea of jewish servitude then
Speaker 1After this, Napoleon then gets sent into exile. He gets his ass kicked. The Pope then returns to Italy after his exile. He comes back. He's pissed off at the Jews because he's convinced that they were involved. So him and his Secretary of State, Cardinal Consalve, they reinstate the decrees of 1555 and 1775. Now, boom, the Jews are back in the ghettos.
Speaker 1The financial penalties are put back on them. Comes up to 1831, there's an uprising, which the Jews funded and were directly involved in, right? And was modeled after the French Revolution. So this basically put the Vatican into a financial deficit. They were basically bankrupt. So they had to go to James Rothschild and Karls Rothschild, right?
Speaker 1The Rothschilds of Paris and Naples, these two bankers, where they gained a loan of what is today tens of millions of dollars, right? 20, 30, 40 millions of dollars. It's not really clear. More loans were taken, etc. We get to 1848. Another revolution happens. This one was a bigger revolution, also funded by the Jews, entirely funded by the Jews, this one, by the way.
Speaker 1Then they take over Rome. They make it secular, this gay hippie nonsense. They remove the death penalty. They implement religious freedom. The Jews are freed from the ghettos. Yet again, they've been in and out of the ghettos at this point. Then the Pope asks all the other Catholic powers, come and help me take back my area because he's in exile at this point.
Speaker 1Right. He was he had to flee again. Right. Well, he fled by himself this time. Then Jewish soldiers who were fighting for Mazzini were fighting off the French. They lost because Jews are disgenic and weak. Right. So they couldn't help them. Then the French then breached the walls. with the Pope, and Mazzini and his troops flee.
Speaker 1The Frenchman occupies the city. They take over all the other cities. The papal states are, you know, kind of being restored. The Pope returns to Rome. He's no longer this liberal Pope that he once was, or quote-unquote modern Pope that he once was. Now he's a reactionary. He hunts down all the revolutionaries. He hunts down all the Jewish spies.
Speaker 1He basically does an Inquisition 2.0 on them. He institutes the ghettos again. Put them back in ghettos. Then, We get to 1861. Guess what? Another revolution. We got Kingdom of Italy this time, which was established in the Kingdom of Piedmont, which was where basically all of the wealthy and quote-unquote smart evil Jews fled after the Papal States reinstituted the ghettos.
Speaker 1All the Jewish bankers were here, right? A shit ton of Jewish bankers were here. You had Isaac Alton, right? who was the private secretary to the advisor, and the advisor of Camillo Benso, who was the prime minister of the kingdom of Italy, so on and so forth, right? Then from here, basically the papal states are fully dead.
Speaker 1They're dead at this point. The Pope is a prisoner of the Vatican. He's a prisoner of the Vatican. Then, you know, after this, we get up to, you know, we'll just skip to 1929. 1929, Benito Mussolini and Pope Pius XI, they signed a letter, a treaty type thing, which brings us, as what we know today, the Vatican city-state.
Speaker 1And they gave 1.7 billion lira in cash and bonds for reparations for the land that was stolen in 1870. And the papal states were never restored. The Jews were freed from the ghettos and they were never placed back into them, apart from one man. one Austrian painter. But never in the Papal States. But yeah, that's basically the summary of what we went through for the past two hours.
Speaker 1It was more in-depth, so listen back if you actually want more of the information and whatnot. But that's basically the rundown.
Ian MalcolmSo now we're getting up to roughly the last little date you gave there almost 100 years ago, right? So this is curious, though, because And there's two things. One that I would love to ask to Mr. Malleus, one of the craziest pieces, and I think everybody that just listened even to the recap clearly heard the term revolution must have been in there a dozen different times.
Ian MalcolmAnd Malleus, I'm just kind of curious. It feels like that revolutionary spirit of the Jews, which constantly seems to be not a... How do we how do we make something beautiful and splendid and fix it for everybody? But rather, how do we create a whole bunch of strife or violence or, you know, let's let's say chaos. And from the chaos, we'll build a ladder so that we can climb up top and kind of take all the power and control.
Ian MalcolmIt it feels like just this this pattern that, of course, we see even even today. But it does beget this idea of you would think at some point that the. The person, what is it? It was Einstein himself, a Jew, who said essentially trying the same thing over and over and over again, expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity, right?
Ian MalcolmSo to quote the Jew, why don't the other Jews recognize that this idea of starting violent revolutions and trying to overthrow things, Mr. Malleus, it seems to not be working, but they seem convinced they're just going to keep doing it forever and ever and ever.
@malleusigThey will. They literally don't know how to do anything else. They have this... they have this paranoia that seems to be, I mean, my only guess is that it's genetic. How is it explained that so many of them have it for so long?
Ian MalcolmNo, and so that brings us up to this idea. So now we're roughly 100 years ago. Wars are brewing. The Federal Reserve has now passed. The Titanic has been sunk. And so going to try and orient ourselves, how are those... geopolitical events playing into the build-up to this ultimate kind of grand subversion of the very, not only text itself, but also of kind of the Catholic Church and some of the doctrine.
Speaker 1Okay, great. So let's get into the meat and pie, should we say. So I'll give a quick summarized timeline, right, of how things play out. Obviously, we have World War II. We all know what happens in World War II. The poor Jew, you know, in his perpetual victimhood, you know, he's not treated the greatest. You have, in August 1947, you have something called the Steelersburg Conference in Switzerland, where 65 Jews and Christians from 19 different countries meet.
Speaker 1This was like, you know, this first council of, you know, you know, like this ecumenist Jew-Christian council that we can have, right? That we see, sorry. So these 65 Jews and Christians from these 19 countries meet. You have a man called Jules Isaac. Jules Isaac was very, very subversive, right? Very subversive. He was a French-Jewish historian who, you know, apparently lost his wife and daughter in Auschwitz.
Speaker 1So, you know, as... every jew all 16 million of them have somehow lost a wife and daughter in auschwitz but you know yeah again he loses his wife and daughter in auschwitz and then after this he dedicates his life to being a subversive cunt so he dedicates his life to just researching what you know anti-semitism within christianity and what is known as the teaching of contempt which is basically the idea that christians should have some type of contempt towards jews for the crucifixion of christ which
Speaker 1you know, basically all the church fathers would agree to, the disciplinary actions of the councils would agree to. There's no real difference of opinion on this type of stuff, right? But he published a book called Jesus and Israel in 1948, which documented the roots of Christian anti-Semitism. And this is where he coined the term teaching of contempt.
Speaker 1He went over 21 points where Christian teaching had, quote unquote, distorted the Jewish identity of Jesus and his... disciples so this is where we see the judeo-christian stuff start to pop back up again right with people like this this was presented at the steelersburg conference it like 18 points of it then became the 10 points of steelersburg right um and then we have in the 1950s so this is like a chronological timeline right but then we'll get into specifically
Speaker 1people like John M. Ostreicher and Carl Thiem, who were basically lobbying for a formal reconsideration, right, with the AGC, the AJC, sorry, the American Jewish Committee, which, you know, they basically wanted to establish, like, a permanent, like, office for constant liaison with Vatican officials, right, so they could...
Speaker 1you know, be in contact with them at all times, so on and so forth. But quick background on these two. John M. Ostreicher was a convert who became a priest in 1927 and went on to instantly become a subversive anti-German figure, creating the anti-German journal Der Öffelung in 1934. And then in 1953, he establishes the Institute of Judeo-Christian Studies.
Speaker 1at Seton Hall University in New Jersey, which was like the first, literally the first academic center focused on Catholic-Jewish relations. Right? And then Carl Thiem was basically like, they call him the intellectual sparring partner of John M. Ostricher. He basically pioneered this concept of Jews as the church's elder brothers.
Speaker 1So, you know, you see a lot of these critiques critics of Christianity and whatnot, they'd be like, oh, the Jews are just the elder brothers. Well, yeah, this comes from Carl Thiem, right? He was a German convert. What is the Old Testament?
@joann_marieNo, no, no.
Speaker 1If the pagans want to come up, they can come up. No, he's a Jew.
@joann_marieHe's a Jew who believes in you, and he's a disgrace. Sorry about that.
Speaker 3He just wanted to make sure you were awake. All good, all good.
Speaker 1So, So yeah, where were we? Oh yeah, the idea that the Jews are the elder brothers of the church and whatnot. Yeah, that comes from him as well as this legitimization of global or world Jewry until the end of time. That Jews have a place in every relation to the church until the end of times. It really comes from him. He was the one pushing for that and pushing Johnny Mostreicher to push for this.
Speaker 1He was a collaborator with him. His theological work also helped lay the groundworks for the future people that we're going to mention in a second. But you have the AJC, which basically what the AJC did was, during Vatican II, this provided a bunch of theological consultants and researchers and institutional strategists who shaped Nostra Aetate.
Speaker 1Because how these documents work is they'll create a draft. The draft will then be put before the consultants. The consultants will then revise the draft. It will be sent back. They will keep going over the draft until it comes to the point where they put it before the delegates, right? Then they will vote on whether or not the draft takes part in the council, right?
Speaker 1Whether or not it fits within the council and whatnot. But basically the AJC, they... brought in people like Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, who we'll get into soon. This guy's one of the most subversive dogs I've ever seen in my life. You can find pictures of him during the civil rights movement, you know, with Martin Luther King and all the other people who were pushing for the civil rights movement, the Jewish-funded civil rights movement.
Speaker 1He's holding a big Torah scroll next to all Martin Luther King, I believe it is. Rabbi Mark Tennebaum, who was a strategist on Nostra Aetate, Zachariah Schuster, who was another consultant, Judith Bankey, who was a researcher, and Rabbi Henry Siegmund, who was another liaison, right? But that was pretty much the involvement of the AJC, right?
Speaker 1They did a lot of this type of stuff of getting people involved on the council, et cetera. But anyway, we have... We're up to 1958 now. We have Pope John XXIII. He's elected. He is open to the idea of a new council. Then he announces the Second Vatican Council in 1959. Now, here's where we go into the preparatory phase for Nostra Aetate, the Nostra Aetate part of Vatican II.
Speaker 1So the catalyst behind all of this, by the way, the catalyst behind all of this was a meeting behind, not behind, sorry, a meeting like a private audience, they call it, with Jules Isaac, the Jewish French historian, right, who wasn't a Catholic, right? He should have no say on this whatsoever, by the way. Literally, he should have no say whatsoever.
Speaker 1but for some reason he does. I don't know why, right? But anyway, they have this audience and he brings him his catalog of work, all of his work on antisemitism that he's wrote, Christian antisemitism, the teaching of contempt. He starts using the catechism of the Council of Trent to try and say that the church's documents itself didn't blame on the Jews for the crucifixion of Christ, et cetera.
Speaker 1And then after this meeting, he asks, he then asks the Pope, could I carry away a little bit of hope? The Pope replies, you have a right to more than hope. Starts smiling. He says, I am the chief, but I also must consult. I have the office to study the questions raised. It isn't an absolute monarchy here. Then after this meeting, the Pope then directs Cardinal Augustine Bay,
Speaker 1who, to be honest, this guy seems more subversive than any of the Jews on this case, because he appoints all of the Jews on vacancy, right? But Cardinal Augustin Bay was the president of the Pontifical Council for promoting Christian unity. And from this, they start drafting up what is called the Declaration of the Catholic Church's Relationship to the Jewish people, which would then be the precursor for Nostra Aetate, right?
Speaker 1This is kind of seen as like the first draft for it because there was multiple drafts. But anyway, so yeah, we're in 1960 now. He says you have hope.
Speaker 1Then Augustine Bay has the SPCU, which is that Christian unity stuff. Then John M. Ostricher, who we spoke about earlier, and Gregory Baum are appointed as the expert parity. This is just like theological experts. Gregory Baum, is the reason we're holding this space in the first place. Because I believe it was Chungus Kitton posted about Gregory Baum.
Speaker 1Many other people have posted about Gregory Baum. We'll dive into this guy's dodgy, dodgy, dodgy lifestyle. We'll give his life summary real quick. So he was born to a Jewish mother and a Protestant father. He fled Nazi Germany in 1939 to Canada.
Speaker 1He converted to Catholicism during World War II, which is already sketchy as it is. Any Jew who converts to Catholicism under supposed persecution, you always must be wary of. Then he joined the Augustinian Order in 1947 and was ordained a priest in 1954. He drafted the final versions of Nostra Aetate. But anyway, after his ordination,
Speaker 1He immediately, just like Jules Isaac, just like John M. Ostricher, he immediately starts studying the Catholic Church's treatment of Jews and other subversive topics. Like we said before, he was appointed as the theological expert of Vatican II, and he drafts the initial version of Nostra Aetate. But we'll skip his involvement in Nostra Aetate for a second, and we'll go to post-Vatican II.
Speaker 1what he did post-Vatican II. So after Vatican II, Gregory Bourne, he quite literally leaves the priesthood, he begins promoting liberation theology, and he became a LGBTQ rights activist and a civil rights activist. Then he began criticizing the Catholic Church's treatment of homosexuals, and he became the main editor of a journal called The Ecumenist.
Speaker 1which ecumenism is a grave heresy. So you have this guy who was a theological expert on the council. He was appointed because a Jew went to the Pope and said, come on, man, you guys are too mean to us. The Pope goes, yeah, we'll help you out. Cardinal Augustin Bay creates the team to draft the document up for Vatican II.
Speaker 1He's a theological expert. He drafts the first draft, right? The first version of Nostra Aetate. After he apostates from Catholicism, he begins being an LGBTQ rights activist. Then in the 70s and 80s, he has an affair on his wife with another gay person, another gay ex-priest who apostated, and he described his relationship as a gift from God.
Speaker 1So not only is he subversive, not only is he an apostate, but he's also a filthy, filthy blasphemer. And he was drafting the initial documents and the first documents for Vatican II, which is fucking ridiculous. Right? Absolutely ridiculous. But yeah, him, Johnny Mostreicher, and Bruno Hossar was also another parete. This guy, there's a lot of fucking Jews involved, guys.
Speaker 1But anyway, this guy was born into a Jewish family in Egypt. He was a contributor to Nostra Aetate. He joined the Dominican Order. He was ordained a priest. This guy was fucking... He was philo-Semitic as it gets. He was philo-Semitic as it gets. He was following the philosophy of people like Jaquis Mauritian, or whatever you pronounce his name, and his wife, who he had dealings with and whatnot.
Speaker 1But yeah, he was also involved with Johnny Mostreicher and gregory baum he was the he was the was it called he was by the way the leader and the priest for quote-unquote the hebrew christians right which it's kind of a weird semi-schismatic congregation of hebrew-speaking catholics and israeli jewish converts um because in in it in 1960 he he goes to jerusalem and he creates this thing called the house of isaiah it's like this jewish catholic ecumenical study center
Speaker 1So he's promoting more heresy, right? He's promoting more heresy and he's leading these weird, very weird fringe groups like the Hebrew Christians, etc. He's also the guy who promoted Hebrew mass instead of the Latin mass in specific regions where there were Jewish people, right? But anyway, yeah. He also was involved in promoting the idea that Judaism was not a dead faith or an old or an old faith, but it was a living contemporary faith.
Speaker 1Right. It was like a brother faith. We're all come by. We're all friendly together, even though you blaspheme our religion, etc. He was involved in that. So now we're on to 1961. We have draft number one. Decretum de Ayudeos, Decree on the Jews. This basically focuses exclusively on the Jewish people. And Gregory Baum, he writes the first version.
Speaker 1He writes the initial, initial version. And then we have May 1962. We have Abraham Joshua Heschel. We're back to the main rabbi yet again. He submits this memorandum on behalf of the AJC, urging the rejection of the deicide charge. So the idea that Jews are liable for the crucifixion and death of Christ. He submits a memorandum to urge for the rejection of this within the documents, right?
Speaker 1That's what he wants. He wants that removed. He doesn't want Jews to be charged with the deicide claim anymore, which is ridiculous because the consensus of the church fathers, is that Jews are liable and are held to the deicide charge and are cursed for all generations because of it. That's the general consensus of all the church fathers.
Speaker 1Barely anyone agrees. Especially not the doctor of the Catholic Church, St. Augustine. He definitely does not agree. I mean, does not disagree. But anyway, Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, the reason this guy... is one of the most filthy subversive dogs on this entire council, by the way, is because this guy, it's not like he's doing it out of good faith.
Speaker 1He was asked some type of question. I can't remember what it was, right? He said he would rather be sent to Auschwitz than convert to Catholicism. If a guy is saying something like that, and he's an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, why are you letting him have any type of influence on any theological document whatsoever. Seems fucking stupid at that point.
Speaker 1But anyway, Cardinal Augustin Bay in the AJC invited him to provide his input on the council's drafts, which is fucking ridiculous. He also was a big proponent of removing the perfidious Jews statement from from the Wasikald, from the Good Friday Prayer. There was other people involved. Jules Isaac was also involved. Was Bruno Hussar involved?
Speaker 1I think he might have been involved as well. But removing quote-unquote derogatory language from the Catholic Mass, as if we haven't had this Mass for over a thousand years, or as if the Catholics haven't had this Mass for over a thousand years. Yeah, he wanted to remove the derogatory language from it. which is confusing because Jews aren't out of these masses.
Speaker 1Who are we removing the language from? It's the audacity, it's the chutzpah, how we pronounce it, that these Jews have that they think that they can come into our countries, they can give input on our religions and tell us what to do concerning them. It's fucking ridiculous. But anyway, he submits his memorandum. He submits his memorandum that they should reject the deicide charge and that they should affirm this permanent covenant between the Jews and God, irrespective of any conversion.
Speaker 1Conversion doesn't matter. Also, in the first draft for the precursor for Nostra Aetate, the decree against the Jews, it promoted proselytizing to the Jews. And this was typically the case for the first couple drafts. Until people like Abraham Joshua Heschel then decided, no, we don't want this. We don't even want you guys proselytizing to us anymore.
Speaker 1We don't want that. So then he also said, you know, come on, don't proselytize to us. We don't want that shit. So that's in the 1962 memorandum that he gives.
Speaker 1And then, where are we now? We have session one.
Speaker 1Where is it? Oh, yeah. So we're in session one. And for some reason, document is withdrawn. So you have council sessions on these documents, et cetera, up until the finalization of them. You have councils going forward and forward and forward until you finalize documents. So session one, the Jewish document is basically just withdrawn from the agenda.
Speaker 1No one's really involved because you had a lot of opponents to this. You had the Arab League and some Middle Eastern bishops led by Cardinal Tapune. These guys basically pressured the Vatican. They feared that the document would be seen as basically just a political recognition of Israel, which some people push for. But yeah, the Arab League was against this precursor to Nostra Aetate.
Speaker 1viewing it as basically a Zionist conspiracy, right? To somehow gain the Vatican's recognition of the state of Israel. And then this forced the council to expand Nostra Aetate, not just to the Jews, but to Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, so on and so forth, right? But yeah, there was a couple other people opposed at the time, like Cardinal Tapune.
Speaker 1This guy despised the council. He also feared that it would be used for recognition. And he also feared that it would endanger the Christian minorities in Muslim countries. So he feared that if the Catholics, like the Melkite, I think he was a Melkite Catholic, I'm not sure. But he feared that there would be some type of hostility then towards the Catholics in the Middle Eastern countries by the Muslims.
Speaker 1If Nostra Aetate was seen as this political recognition of Israel, right? Which typically makes sense. Another person involved in expanding it, not just to the Jews, but to the Muslims as well, was Maximus IV. This guy was like a Melkite Greek Catholic patriarch. He urged the council to include Muslims and other religions in the text to like mullify security concerns for Arab Christians, right?
Speaker 1He didn't really give a shit about the Jews, to be honest. He just wanted to protect the Arab Christians. Makes a lot of sense. Makes a lot of sense. But these are some of the Christian opponents that we see to Nostra Aetate at the time. This is from the Eastern perspective. There was a lot from the West as well, like Marcel Lefebvre, Luigi Maria, and Ernesto Ruffini.
Speaker 1A couple of others and whatnot from this time who were... vehemently against this document. But then in 1963, Pope John XXIII dies. Pope Paul VI is elected.
Speaker 1I think that's what happened. And then later in 1963, you have Rabbi Mark Tenenbaum, however you pronounce his name, he organizes the New York Gathering. which is basically where Cardinal Augustin Bay meets with all the top Jewish scholars, including Abraham Joshua Heschel, to discuss specifically the deicide charge. Tanebom literally called it the once in a 1900 years opportunity.
Speaker 1Well, the opportunity to do what? To subvert the church's teachings that has been held for, as he says, 1900 years? That seems to be the case. Seems to be the case. Turner Baum was, he was literally labeled the human rights rabbi. You know, during the civil rights movement, him, Joshua Heschel, and a lot of these other rabbis, right, from the World Jewish Congress, and as well as people from the ADL, et cetera, were all involved in the civil rights.
Speaker 1Truth Tellers probably spoke about him plenty of times, right, as well as many other people on the app. We all know this, but they weren't just involved in subverting the American nation. They were involved in subvert in the catholic church as well right so then they decide to discuss the deicide charge then we get to session two of the council this is where draft two comes about draft two is expanded beyond just the jews to include other non-christians like we said before to nullify the arab christian concern right and this is the decree on ecumenism right this is the the decree on ecumenism
Speaker 1And instead of just having it as like a totally unique Jewish-Christian relationship, they broadened it. For one reason, to make it seem less conspiratorial, right? That, you know, there's some type of Jewish influencer, as well as to help the, you know, like the Catholics and whatnot in the Arab countries. Other people involved in this were people like Nahum Goldman, who was quite literally...
Speaker 1I think he was the fifth president of the World Jewish Congress, I believe. One of the most prominent leaders of the Zionist movement at the time. He basically created the World Jewish Congress, I believe. He was not a Catholic at all. He was collaborating with all the other Jewish leaders who negotiated with the Vatican during the years leading up to Vatican II.
Speaker 1He was not on the council itself, but He basically went to the prior meeting we were just talking about, the one in New York, the New York City Gathering, and he was advocating for this more compassionate and clear repudiation of anti-Semitism. So the condemnation of anti-Semitism, and that's where we see Nostra Aetate condemn anti-Semitism, etc.
Speaker 1He also pushed for the acknowledgement of the shared heritage of Christianity and Judaism. He advocated for the church to reject the deicide claim as well. He was also involved in having the language removed from the Good Friday prayer, collective guilt, all of that stuff. He wanted it all gone. He worked alongside, what's his name?
Speaker 1Gerhard Reigner, I believe his name is. But basically this guy, subversive, subversive, subversive dog. This fucker was the guy who sent the 1942 telegram, which alerted the allies to the quote-unquote final solution. So he basically just fucking made it up, right? But he also helped lead the World Jewish Congress's negotiations with the Vatican during Vatican II.
Speaker 1And he basically, he brought this sense of like moral debt, right, to the negotiations. Like, oh, you Catholics treated us so wrong. You need to do this for us. As if we fucking know these people. anything but he basically you know had the same outlook as Nahum Goldman and Abraham Joshua Heschel and Tannenbaum etc you know reject the deicide accept this shared uh you know the shared heritage so on and so forth um so that's what happens there then we get to draft three in 1964 and now we are reduced to a mere just you know appendix of the ecumenism decree
Speaker 1it's seen as a watering down to appease to the coitus international partum, which is basically the group of council fathers who were opposed to Nostra Aetate. The leader was Bishop Marcel Lefebvre. I don't know how to pronounce his name, but he's one of the greatest traditional Catholics, it probably is of all time, right?
Speaker 1One of the goats. But they viewed Nostra Aetate as this Judaizing document, this heretical document that was promoting dispensationalism. And they were basically arguing that supersessionism was dogma, and that the deicide charge was also dogma, and it was a scriptural fact. But you had him, you had Marcel, who was the leader,
Speaker 1You had Luigi Maria Carli, who defended the deicide charge. And then you had Ernesto Rufine, who insisted on necessity of Jewish conversion. So Massal was probably the most opposed to this, to be honest. Probably the most opposed to this in all of the three main people involved, out of him, Luigi, and Ernesto. Ernesto basically defended the deicide charge.
Speaker 1He asserted that, you know, Jews at the time did ball the objective guilt, which is, you know, that's the view of the fathers, right? Nobody would disagree with that if they actually read the fathers and didn't listen to Jews, right? But he defended that. He attacked Nostra Aetate as this Jewish Zionist conspiracy. Ernesto basically said, you know, you can't ignore the Jewish hostility towards Christ.
Speaker 1And then basically said that you just basically just need a necessitate Jewish conversion. So he would appease a little bit. Right. He would appease a little bit to, you know, to this type of wishy-washy language towards the Jews. But he basically said necessitate conversion. But also he warned that the church can't oppose the entire Arab world just to satisfy the Jews.
Speaker 1Right. You can't just throw everybody else under the bin to satisfy the Jews. It's fucking ridiculous. It's uncalled for. By the way, all these drafts, Gregory Baum, all these same people are all still involved in all of these drafts, by the way. They're all still involved. Then we get to session three. Heschel then meets the Pope directly.
Speaker 1This is where he says a statement earlier that I said, where he states that, you know, He would rather go to Auschwitz than accept conversion. And that is when draft four is rewritten by the commission and the conversion language is removed because he said he'd rather go to Auschwitz than convert. So now the conversion language is removed, et cetera.
Speaker 1And we have the revised draft, right? Which is called on Jews and non-Christians. He presents that to the council. Then there's the great debate in September 28th, I believe, 1964. You have like 30 bishops calling for stronger condemnation of deicide. And then you have Bishop Kale, who we spoke about, Luigi Maria Kale, who's defending the deicide charge against them, calling it a conspiracy, the Zionist Jewish conspiracy.
Speaker 1Then we have draft five. So it keeps getting revised, keeps getting changed. Jews keep getting more mad or, you know, they're getting more happy, you know, depending on the outcome, right? Then draft five is approved in a preliminary vote. 1,775 yeses to 185 nos, which is a ridiculous amount of yeses for such a heretical document that opposes and condemns the fathers of the church.
Speaker 1and the actions of the church for over 1,900 years. It's ridiculous. But then they have amendments to Section 4, which is Nostra Aetate. This is where John M. Ostricher, he basically says, remove the word deicide strategically. Remove it strategically. Not the idea, but strategically. So that... the traditionalists, like the ones we spoke about, like Bishop Marcel, so that they couldn't just redefine the term after it was put in place.
Speaker 1Then 1965, you have the final vote. The final vote on the council leading up to the actual final tally. 1,763 yeses to 250 nos. Then Nostra Aetate,
Speaker 1officially promulgated by the pub and the final tally is 2,221 to 88 no's which is fucking ridiculous right absolutely ridiculous um a couple more things before we you know go into some questions and whatnot and some extra context um Due to all of the people that were opposed to this and were saying it was a Jewish conspiracy, people like Gregory Baum and some of the other Jews involved were taken off their actual official documents as writers themselves.
Speaker 1They were taken off. Although every historical source says that they wrote the initial draft and helped draft every draft after that, they removed them from it and... this Australian Catholic journal speaks about it and says they removed him in order to suppress the idea that it was a Jewish conspiracy, basically. So they were trying to hide the fact that it was clearly Jews infiltrating the church, right?
Speaker 1It clearly wasn't a natural occurrence of this document, right? Not at all. It was clearly subversive, and it was clearly not... the teaching of the church. It doesn't share the phronoma of the church, the mind of the church, as we call it. It's ridiculous. Yeah, that's basically what happens. The Nostra Aetate is set forward.
Speaker 1You know, Nostra Aetate, if we... I'll bring it up so we can read it, actually, verbatim, so we can look at some of the stuff, and then we'll take a little break for questions, and then we'll go into some... What's it called? Into some opposition... with the belief within here and the early church right so here it is all right here we go so this is one of the main parts since the spiritual patrimony common to christians and jews is thus so great this sacred symbol once wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit above all of biblical and theological studies as well as fraternal dialogues it says through the jewish authorities and those who led
Speaker 1for that for the death of christ sorry still what happened in his passion cannot be charged against all the jews without distinction then alive nor against the jews of today although the church is the new people of god the jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by god as if this followed from the holy scriptures all should see to it then in the uh in the work
Speaker 1Or in the preaching of the word of God, they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the gospel of the spirit of Christ. This is interesting because I'll bring up the list of church fathers who teach exactly what this is condemning people for teaching. All the church fathers, it is the consensus of them that Jews are cursed by God for this.
Speaker 1There's different interpretations on what the curse means, right? but also that they are to blame for this, right? And that they are rejected for this. Then it carries on. It says, furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons, but by the gospel spiritual love, decries hatred, persecution, displays of antisemitism directed against Jews.
Speaker 1Listen to this part. at any time and by anyone. That's the most important part. That's the most important part because that truly condemns everything the church has done and said about the Jews for 1900 years prior to this. When St. Cyril of Alexandria expelled all of the Jews from Alexandria for their actions, I'm confused.
Speaker 1Would that not be considered anti-Semitism? or persecution? Obviously it would. But the fact that you're putting antisemitism in a Catholic document, all you're doing is giving the right to ADL to excommunicate whoever they want from your church. Because they never gave a definition of antisemitism. So whose definitions are we going by?
Speaker 1Well, realistically, we should go by the people who drafted the document itself. And those people were a part of the World Jewish Council. They were part of the ADL. They were Zionists. What they would see to be anti-Semitism, every church father would fit that criteria. Every single one. St. Paul, when he called the Jews dogs, would fit it.
Speaker 1When he said that they were enemies of mankind, they're enemies of the world. When he said that they were killers of the Lord, would he not fit that? He would fit that perfectly. When Christ says they are of their father, the devil, would they not fit that? Would this not fit the criteria? Of course it would. Of course it would.
Speaker 1You know how we know how? Because the ADL itself has on their website a list of things they consider anti-Semitic and all of these things are listed within it. So the main point is this isn't a slandering of the Catholics. I love the Catholics. Right. This isn't a refutation against the Catholic Church. What this is, is mainly the reason I speak about this is for the Catholics who reject that Vatican II and Nostra Aetate has any type of Jewish subversion in it whatsoever.
Speaker 1Because how the fuck do we solve the Jewish question if people refuse to acknowledge that there is a Jewish problem in the first place? How the fuck do we move forward? We can't. So first, you acknowledge that it is the case, that Jews did subvert Nostra Aetate specifically, right? Now, you can have answers around this, such as maybe you belong to SSPX, right?
Speaker 1Maybe you're a traditional Catholic who belongs to SSPX, right? And you don't like Vatican II. You're opposed to Vatican II, right? You don't believe it's a dogmatic document. You believe it's a pastoral one. It's not binding on you. And you believe that, yes, it is subversive, and yes, it is wrong. Okay, cool. You can get around it like that.
Speaker 1Maybe you're a set of a canist. You believe that the sea of the Vatican is vacant. Vatican II is not a legitimate council. You get around it like that. But this idea that Vatican II, specifically Nostra Aetate, forget the rest of it, Nostra Aetate specifically, that this is correct and that this is actually the teaching of the one true church, ridiculous.
Speaker 1Because then at this point, we condemn the church for 2,000 years, which none of us want to do, right? We don't want to go against the phronoma, the mind of the church that has been kept solid since its inception, right? Since its creation. We don't want to do that. St. Ephraim the Syrian, okay, St. Ephraim the Syrian, one of the goats, every Lent,
Speaker 1You know, I think Catholics do it as well. But every Lent, morning and night, we say St. Ephraim's Lenten prayer. Every morning, every night. St. Ephraim the Syrian says in his works that Jews are cursed for all generations. All generations, they are blamed for the death of Christ. So what happens here? Is he now condemned by Nostra Aetate?
Speaker 1Is the true teaching that he is condemned for that? When St. Gregory of Nyssa, in his, what letter was it? Anyway, we'll bring up these sources after. When St. Gregory of Nyssa says that it is lawful for a man to hate the enemies of God, whether they be the Jews or the idolaters, and then he lists some heresies and says those who fall into the error of the Jews, he says this is a lawful thing to do.
Speaker 1You are allowed to do this. But Nostra Aetate condemns, quote-unquote, hatred. So is St. Gregory of Nyssa now condemned for what he says? Is he condemned? When St. John of Chrysostom says he hates the Jews, when he says that the Jews have become unfit for work and all they are fit for now is killing, is he condemned for this teaching?
Speaker 1Is he right in this teaching? Is he wrong in this teaching? Was he wrong for preaching this? Like, how far do we go? Do you condemn the doctor of your church, St. Augustine himself, who affirmed the curse upon the Jews for all generations? Like, what are we doing here? It's clearly that this document is subversive, right?
Speaker 1It doesn't refute the Catholic Church, right? It does show that the early church does not coincide with this document whatsoever. And if you believe that this document is the true teaching of the one true church, you are out of your mind. Take the rest of that and see what you want. You can accept it. Nostra Aetate? No.
Speaker 1And we'll leave it there. but some questions and whatnot, then we'll move on to some quotes from the early fathers and the early councils, so on and so forth, to go over the difference in Nostra Aetate versus early church.
Ian MalcolmWell, and really quickly, so Goya, and I do want to go and bounce around with some questions here. One that I would love to start with is essentially, The pre and post perception, and what I mean by this, obviously Vatican II put out and enshrined what I'm sure would have been absolutely ludicrous to individuals just 25 years ago.
Ian MalcolmBut if you were to go back 100 or 200 or 300 years ago, I'm curious, you know, somebody from, say, the 1600s, 1700s, if you then introduce them to a post-Vatican II Catholic, the perception of their worldview in particular around the death of Christ would be what? I mean, would they view them as essentially a heretic? They would view them as crazy.
Ian MalcolmWould they view them as just having a slightly different opinion? How drastically different do you think this would be?
Speaker 1Yeah, this would be a heretical teaching that would be put alongside the Judaizers, right? The people that still held to the Jewish traditions, which the fathers call an insult to Christ. They call it an insult to Christ. They would be put alongside those people. Because the holdings of the idea that Jews are still within this covenant with God, they would essentially be condemning the unified church.
Speaker 1If we are pre-schism, the consensus is that Jews are cursed. The consensus is that we subjugate them. The consensus is that they go in ghettos, so on and so forth. The consensus is that the church is foundationally, anti-Semitic. That's just how it is. So anybody who would oppose this and hold to, or if we could, you know, the saints thinking about this document, yeah, clearly it would be a heretical document, it would be a heretical teaching, and it does not align with the church whatsoever.
Speaker 1It would be 100% against it. It would condemn them, so how would they not be against it?
Ian MalcolmNo, wonderfully stated. And with that, if anybody does have a question about anything that was covered in that segment, please feel free and jump in.
@malleusigI have a question. I just want to say, I think this is the only instance that I've heard of any religion anywhere having a carve-out to protect the feelings of another religion. That alone is... conspicuous and highly suspect to me. Is that correct?
Speaker 1Can you repeat the last part, sorry?
@malleusigThis idea that they would make a carve-out for Judaism inside of Christianity. We need to protect the Jews' feelings after what they did, not only to Jesus, but traditionally to saints like Stephen and the early church. They hunted us for, what, 600 years, was it? Right? we would now feel the need to insert language or to remove language from our litany just to kind of protect their feelings seems very odd and conspicuous.
@malleusigAnd I don't think I've ever heard of anything like this in any other religion. Does that, you have any other, right?
Speaker 1Yeah, no, nobody has the audacity like the Jews to go into a religion, right? or go to a group of people belonging to a religion, that in their text, they absolutely despise, right? They blaspheme God. They blaspheme the holiest woman there is, right? The mother of God. They say all of these ridiculous things. And then somehow they come to you, right?
Speaker 1You belong to this religion. And they say, Can you be a little bit more friendly to us, please? Can you be a little bit kinder? I'm confused. We know we crucified Christ, but why are you saying that we crucified Christ? We're Jewish, bro. Leave us alone.
@malleusigBut it's not just that. It's the ongoing hatred. They literally have a rule in Judaism. If you pass a Gentile cemetery, there are special curses for you to utter as you walk by. If your religion is engaging in that kind of, like, hatred as a policy, like, from my point of view, all bets are off as to what we think about you or say about you, for that matter.
@malleusigLike, if I were to make up a religion and every time I pass someone who is not of my religion, I say a prayer to myself, I wish them dead, right? You and I and everyone listening and everyone not listening would... fundamentally agree that that is a hateful, disgusting, quote unquote, religion and should probably be abolished at minimum, right?
@malleusigBut for some reason with this one group, they can engage in the same kind of behavior. They can enshrine it as doctrine, teach it to their children, and they get a free pass. And we are the ones that have to walk on eggshells about how we talk about them. That doesn't make any sense to me. Not even as a Christian. Just in an objective, secular, humanistic point of view, that makes zero sense.
Speaker 1Exactly. It's ridiculous. We have to bend over for these people who clearly hear us. You have the prayer of the Menim, or the heretics, where they pray the Menim, which... can be used synonymously for Christians, right? The people who omitted stuff in the earlier times, right? They replaced the word Christians with minim, right?
Speaker 1Which, you know, means Christians or means heretics, etc. Within this, they pray that we are blotted out of the book of life. They pray for our death. But at the same time, they come to us and they say, just leave. we're not doing anything wrong. Leave us alone. We're friendly. Can you say that we're your brothers? Please, just say we're your brothers.
Speaker 1I know I just stabbed you in the back, but come on. Just call me brother. It's ridiculous. I've never seen anything of another religion going to another religion it's clearly hostile against and saying, come on, can we make a type of dealer where you guys are nice to us as if they were the ones hostile? It's ridiculous.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Grandfather. No, this space is absolutely amazing. JP, go for it.
Speaker 6Yes, thank you, Joanne. Grandfather, I've got a question about the earliest part of your lecture. So I probably missed the very beginning of the space. I joined a few minutes after it started. Did you touch on the Crusades and the Templars at all at the beginning, or did you pick up in the Napoleonic era?
Speaker 1No, we started briefly in the 1500s. We weren't too bothered about the earlier periods, because we were just talking about from the time of when the Jews were first placed in the ghettos and whatnot. But no, we didn't go over the Crusades or anything like that.
Speaker 6Okay, so was that a conscious decision to save time, or was that not relevant to the big picture?
Speaker 1It wasn't really relevant to the big picture, to be honest.
@joann_marieWe should have a space on the crusades now.
Speaker 1Yeah. There's like earlier stuff, like there's like the child crusade where a bunch of children wanted to march in Jerusalem because they thought they would just hand them Jerusalem back, I guess. And then on the way, Venetian bankers just kidnapped the children and basically sold them into slavery and whatnot. And as you would know, the merchants,
Speaker 1were of a specific race, right? But apart from that, there's not much, there's not really much in reference to the Wasik cult, to the Jews in the Crusades specifically. They were kind of unfriendly to the Jews from what I know. Probably some funding here and there, but it wasn't the most relevant, but maybe someone can do a space on that.
Speaker 6Okay, thank you. And just a quick comment. So I... I must have had a defective McGraw-Hill textbook in elementary school because I don't recall my chapters on Napoleon mentioning any of the enlightening aspects that you've made me aware of today. So I thank you for that.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, I'm sure Robert Maxwell ripped out the purge to mention that.
Speaker 3Yeah, and also... Napoleon was weird, too, you know?
Speaker 6Even, I guess, my history teacher, Sister Mary Justin, I guess, perhaps I was out sick that day when she gave that lecture. I don't recall. Thank you.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much for coming up, JP.
@joann_marieCXY, go for it.
Speaker 7All right. Thank you, and good evening, or good morning. because it's like morning or I'm not. My question to the Great Father is, since we already see that the Jews have managed to subvert the Catholic Church in some way, and I'm saying this as a Catholic, of course, and what I mean by subvert is more so that they've managed to have an influence on the way Catholics view Judaism and Jews, right?
Speaker 7I mean, you even have the Holocaust narrative, which has been spread around the Catholic Church. So my question is, what is really the solution to this Jewish problem that has pretty much plagued Catholics ever since Vatican II and Nostra Aetate? Thank you.
Speaker 1All right, good stuff. The way forward for the Catholics would to be embrace... The SSPX church, most likely. Now, the SSPX church is having an issue with lack of clergy. And Publio is pretty much refusing to appoint more clergy, right? Ordain more clergy. So they might end up schisming, going into schism. But I'll say if enough people were to join SSPX, then...
Speaker 1there would possibly be a rethought about that and they would be able to stay in communion with the Catholic Church. But apart from that, you know, become Orthodox if you care that much. Or, you know, you can still preach this traditional Catholic view without necessarily belonging to SSPX, right? You don't really need to hold to not retire.
Speaker 1Just call it out. Just get people to call it out. Stop letting people deny it. That's all we need. Stop letting people deny that it is prevalent, right? That we can clearly see that there's been infiltration. That's the first step, right? First step is acknowledging. Second step, fixing. But first, people need to fucking acknowledge, right?
Speaker 1And not acknowledge in the way where they're like, yeah, Jews influence it and it's a good thing, right? Where you'll find, you know, some morons who like that. But Jews influenced it and it's bad. you know, start there and then, you know, you can move on and it'd be good.
Speaker 7Yeah, just a quick comment in regards to that. It's just like, it's absolutely insane that, you know, the very same people that crucified Jesus Christ and the very same people who hate Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary want to talk about, you know, us being brothers and, you know, having all of this kumbaya and all of this, you know,
Speaker 7sort of uh love you know love fest and all that it's just it's really weird you know how these 16 million jews have managed to like sort of completely make people forget about the fact that they crucified christ and that they have a deep hatred for christians to the point that you know um king louis of france had to burn so many talmuds in france because the talmud just states the most disgusting satanic
Speaker 7and vile uh material in regards to christ and the virgin mary it's just it's really insane how the jews want us to all of a sudden you know be their friends and all that meanwhile they hate us and stab us in the back indeed yeah exactly it's ridiculous thank you so much um mr white go for it
Speaker 8Hey, thanks for letting me up. I'm not on my normal headset. Can you guys hear me okay? Yeah. I don't want to muck up the space with bad audio.
Speaker 9Okay, great.
Speaker 8I appreciate you guys for letting me up. I had a kind of line of questioning I want to run by. Is it Goyfather that's doing the talk, if you'd allow me to?
Speaker 1Go for it, man.
Speaker 8Okay, so if I understand you correctly, and please make sure that I understand your position correctly, if I'm wrong about anything, I'd love clarification before I start. Your contention is that VAT too, and specifically you mentioned Nostra Aetate, but I would assume you are specific to anything post-Vatican too. Your contention is it was written or at least partially contributed to by Jewish subversives and everything post-Vatican too is, for lack of a better term, and correct me if there's a more accurate term you want to use, it's invalidated the church, I would assume, since you're advocating for SSPX.
Speaker 8that you would... Well, I'm not SSPX.
Speaker 1SSPX are still Catholic because they're still in communion with Rome, so that's not even saying the church is false. I specifically said that me saying this isn't to prove the Catholic church false, or to make people not want to be Catholic. It's to make people acknowledge that there is an issue that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 1Not that it proves it false or anything like that um i don't really think this proves it false because you can just say it's not a dogmatic document right so um yeah it's so the people acknowledge there's an issue sorry mr white i muted your mic because there was like sounds so i muted it apologies my apologies yeah i'm almost i'm pulling into my house i'm i'm driving so well i'm not driving i shouldn't say that but you're you're orthodox boy father am i correct in that
Speaker 1Indeed, yeah.
Speaker 8And so you're Orthodox because you don't believe, do you believe that there's like a valid sacrament within the Catholic Church?
Speaker 1Baptism, I believe, and that's about it.
Speaker 8I didn't get you. I couldn't understand. Did you say you do believe or you don't believe in the Catholic Church?
Speaker 1I said baptism and that's about it.
Speaker 8So they don't have the seven sacraments?
Speaker 1No. They don't have the seven, no.
Speaker 8Okay. Thank you for letting me clarify those things. So my question really comes down to this.
Speaker 8And I think I know your answer, but I'd love to hear it from you. That we agree, and I think we would agree, that Judaism as a practice is definitionally anti-Christ. Yes?
Speaker 1Yep.
Speaker 8And you believe, or it's your contention that jews subverted the church by having a hand in vatican ii and so my if you agree on those two points my question is how do you square that with the idea that right christ told us the gates of hell will not prevail against his church is it that the catholic church is not his church well yeah i'm orthodox so i believe the orthodox church is this one true church um
Speaker 8So that means that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true church?
Speaker 1No, it's in schism, according to us.
Speaker 8Okay. All right. Well, that would get into a deeper thing. I just want to make sure I understand you. I mean, I disagree. Obviously, I am a Roman Catholic. I don't think that the contentions you make... I mean, I'd love to know what your number one contention with Vatican II is, but I think you probably did a larger...
Speaker 8talk about that that i may have missed so i don't want to make you rerun that i'll let the next speaker come up and uh i might jump back into the space i'm pulling into my house now i have my real headset and everything here so um i'll just come back in but thanks for letting me up for now all good you should listen to the space because it's amazing and he details like super detailed on how it got subverted so
@joann_marieYeah.
Speaker 8I might listen back later, but I don't, I mean, we disagree, but I'm going to come back when I'm on a better audio and I'll jump back up in a bit.
Speaker 1What's it called? Before you go to the next person, it's doing that static thing because we've been live for quite a while. So I need to refresh my browser, Ian. So you need to bring me back up. I'm just going to refresh my browser, join the space back and I'll bring it back. I'll be two minutes.
@joann_mariethank you so much grandfather and in the meantime guys please repost this space and if you guys go to it i will also repost it and follow ian and the goy father and all of our amazing speakers and thank you so much for being here um it's that uh it's that orthodox wi-fi yeah i'm kidding totally playing Donna, go for it, but I mean, Godfather, I don't think he's going to be able to hear you.
@joann_marieDo you need Godfather to listen to you, or it's just like a thought?
@donnaleistWell, I came in when he was talking about Vatican II, and I wondered, I can ask anybody, I guess, that was here, if he brought up the subject of a Jew named Jules Isaac and his book, Teaching of Contempt. That's what started this shit.
@joann_marieI don't remember. I don't know. That was like so many names. I'm running like on browser Windows 95.
@donnaleistI'm like not. I'd like to ask him about it because the thing of it is this French Jew, he lost his family in the quote Holocaust quote. And so he wrote this angry book about how the Catholic Church taught hate against the Jews. And he wrote a book called Teaching of Contempt, and he took it to Rome. In the meantime, during World War II, the Vatican protected the Jews in Rome, gave up their own gold to the Germans to protect them, and even used more of their gold to smuggle them
@donnaleistout away from getting taken away to concentration camps because it's just the humanitarian thing to do. Like that's what the church does. It doesn't ask you, you know, what God you believe in or what, if there's somebody that's hungry, they feed them. Okay. So after everything the church did for them, this fucking French Jew writes this book.
@donnaleistAnd takes it to the Pope. And plays on the sympathies. Because he lost his whole fucking family. And this is what got the ball rolling. Back in 1948. Is Godfather up yet? I don't know. I don't think so.
Ian MalcolmIt's showing that he's up here. But is the icon.
@joann_marieYeah it has like a little blue dot next to it.
Speaker 3I think he said to kick him. And then recycle him.
Speaker 6Let's see if this works.
Speaker 3I could be wrong, but I think that's what he said.
Speaker 6You know, in the meantime, let me just jump in with this. I looked up the book. It says core themes. Isaac argues that centuries of Christian theological teachings portrayed Judaism as degenerate and Jews as cursed, which laid the foundation for modern anti-Semitism and the Holocaust. Jules coined the term the teaching of contempt
Speaker 6who described the longstanding anti-Judaic tradition within both Catholic and Protestant churches. The book, along with his earlier work, Jesus in Israel, was profoundly influential in encouraging the church to re-examine its relationship with Judaism, directly contributing to Nostra Aetate Declaration in 65. That's it.
Speaker 1Yep. I heard everything Donna said. Yeah, we went over Jules Isaac. Yeah. Jules Isaac was pretty much where we started. He was pretty much the first guy in reference. So you are right. That is where a lot of this did start. He was kind of the center point in the Steelsburg Conference in 1947. His 21 points of content turned down to 18, then turned down to 10, the 10 points of Steelsburg.
Speaker 1Then he ordered the private audience with Pope John XXIII. He delivered a portfolio of his work, which just summarized Christian anti-Semitism and a bunch of other stuff, etc. And said, you know, can I come away with some hope? The Pope replies, you have a right to more than hope. And then that's when Cardinal Augustin Bayer and the Pope created the SPCU, which was for Christian Special Relations Christian Union, whatever the fuck it's called.
Speaker 1But yeah, we mentioned that.
@donnaleistOkay, because I came in and you were talking about it and I didn't know how far you were into it because the thing of it is you heard the rest of it about how the Vatican protected them. Vatican gave up their gold to protect them and then he still had the balls to do that. It just makes me sick.
Speaker 1Indeed.
@malleusigThat's why the word Christophe was invented.
Speaker 1Let's run through everyone's questions and input. And then I have some quotes from church fathers and from Catholic sources and whatnot, which we can, what's it called? Which we can use to show how Nostra Aetate directly goes against the early church's teachings and whatnot. So go ahead.
Ian MalcolmNo, Nostra Aetate is Nostra Retarded, it would seem. But let's go to Carmine.
@proteusvxThank you, Ian. Thank you. I do appreciate how you are drawing from the most potent John Chrysostom. How about Martin Luther's On the Jews and Their Lives? I would urge everybody in this space, as much as you're drawing on the highlights that are being provided by your host and co-host, I would urge you all to do your own reading of the homilies of St. John Chrysostom.
@proteusvxand also read Martin Luther's On the Jews and Their Lies, which I believe was his last, if not close to last, publication. I think it was his last, after he realized how badly duped he had been. Thank you very much, Ian. Oh, I'm currently querying Deep Seek. I just gave it this simple query. It's typing away madly as we speak.
@proteusvxI gave it the prompt, discuss Vatican II and the Pope who served for only 33 days. that same Pope served on the council. I'll come back to you in a few minutes to let you know what D.P. Seakey has to say about it. Thank you, Ian.
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. And before we go back to Goyfather for some of those church quotes from the fathers, I would love to get Honey Badger, who I know often is very pro her kind of Catholic identity on spaces. And So this has been right up your alley, I would assume, honey. And if so, I'm curious for any thoughts, comments, questions you might have for Goyfather.
Speaker 10I really don't have any questions for Goyfather. I like I've gathered that he is Orthodox and that he believes that the church is in schism, which I mean, I'm sorry, but, you know, you can go have 15 different bishops and different, you know, patriarchs. And, you know, they some can be more Protestant than the others. And, you know, some can even be more Catholic.
Speaker 10And. You know, we could even talk about, you know, the fact that there was a time that, you know, the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church came very close to reuniting. But when the patriarchs returned to their respective areas, they were greeted by basically mobs telling them, no, they must not. Now, I mean, it looks like there's two things at work.
Speaker 10And I mean, honestly, Ian, I mean, how many spaces are... devoted to just shitting all over the Catholic church. You know, it's like, I'm, it's so old. I'm so over it. And it's like, every time, you know, like these, every time I come in to speak, it's like, I'm dealing with, you know, no, I'm not referring to anybody here, but it's like a pack of rabid dogs.
Speaker 10They're looking for the loopholes of the church that has existed for over 2000 years. And, you know, directly descending from Peter. And, you know, so like in. I mean, it's just, I'm, I'm to the point where just believe whatever you want to. This is my, you know, I, I stake my life on my faith and I will die for my faith.
Speaker 10But in, but what really burns me up is the, the whole Vatican to the Jews undermine Catholicism. We got to think of people don't think logically about things. So first of all, in, um, it says very clearly. that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. But Vatican II took place in 1965. Now, what was happening to the culture in 1965?
Speaker 10It was the free love generation. We saw the proliferation of drugs and the breakdown of the nuclear family and feminism. So what happened after that was the hippie movement. So the... The language in Vatican II is very soft. It's very like, oh, you know, it's like basically making friends with the modern culture, which I do believe was a mistake because it can be confusing for people.
Speaker 10But it was not an effort to nothing was changed by Vatican II. Things were clarified. But the but. people will point at specific sentences taken out of texts as though the Catholic Church ever changed its stance on the fact that salvation only comes through Jesus Christ. So, you know, you can sit and say, you know, Jews subjugated, you know, the Catholic Church, but that's conspiracy thinking.
Speaker 10That's not Catholic theology. Vatican II did not hand the Church over to Judaism. It reaffirmed Christ in the fulfillment of Israel, condemned anti-Semitism, which, of course, the hate for any group of people is obviously, you know, antithetical to Christianity in general. But it clarified, you know, the Catholics do not blame all Jews, past or present, or, you know, for the death of Christ, because it's not, because that would contradict covenant theology, you know, whereas replacement theology is heretical.
Speaker 10You know, nobody's left behind, you know, nobody was left behind. But at the same time, you know, though it is stated in the Bible that, you know, that the Jews were God's chosen people, they still had a choice to make after Jesus came, lived, suffered, died, and was resurrected from the cross, and they chose wrong. And so unless they repent from that and convert to the cross of Christ, they will not know salvation.
Speaker 10So I'm not speaking out of turn. That's not my opinion. That is what the church teaches. So listen, y'all can go along with your conspiracy theories about all the millions of ridiculous things I've heard over the years that people will take as basically like fan fiction. You know, like 90% of the time that I'm hearing about the Knights Templar, the, oh God, it just goes on.
Speaker 10The Malton Knights, like whatever, you know, there's so many stupid little pieces of history and it's conflated with the army and banking system that tries to point a finger. at the church is some nefarious character that like we're all demonic or something. Well, let me tell you something. You can think whatever you want to about that.
Speaker 10And, and, and, you know, you can, you can continue to look for the boogeyman that's in the Catholic church, but the gates of hell shall not overcome her. And, and I'm going to make this very clear too. And I will land it here, Ian, you know, I'm not looking, I'm not sitting in here and, you know, pretending, nor would I look anybody in the straight face, straight in the face.
Speaker 10And act like the papacy has always been perfect. And act like the Catholic Church has always been perfect. It's made by human beings. It's made by people. And if we've proven anything throughout history is that we will do our level best to screw up this perfect message that God left us with through the power of the Holy Spirit at every turn we possibly can.
Speaker 10But... What does that tell us? What does that tell us? It tells us that human beings are imperfect. We are corrupt. We are fallen. We are sinful by our nature. But we cannot out God God. We cannot destroy his church. The Holy Spirit is the final boss, if you will. And so, again, that is what I will stake my life on, and I will die for my faith.
Speaker 10Thank you very much. And you know what? God bless you, my Orthodox cousin. That's all I have to say about that.
Speaker 1All right, God bless. Well, I'll respond to that briefly. I think you may be a little confused about where we're coming from. This isn't an attack on the Catholic Church, right? This is basically just a critique on, one, what we did earlier, right? The financing of the Vatican, et cetera, and how the Jews got their hands on that and funded revolutions to take down the papal states.
Speaker 1So the Jews are actually funding the attack of the Papal States. That's why no Papal States exist today, because they funded the revolutions that took them down, right? That's why all there is now is the Vatican City State, rather than basically all of Italy, okay? And parts of Austria and France as well. But anyway, moving back up to Nostra Aetate, you saw replacement theology is heretical, right?
Speaker 1which is gibberish because... No, it's not. That's fine, I'm going to respond. It's covenant theology. I'm going to respond. The reason it's gibberish is because prior to Vatican II, it was quite literally the dominant outlook the Catholic Church had. Dominant. The bishops who were against Nostra Aetate, They said supersessionism was dogma.
Speaker 1You were bound to it.
Speaker 1That's one. Two. The main point about Vatican II is not that it teaches salvation outside the church. I didn't mention that as this main contention, I don't believe. I didn't really mention that that much. The issue is that it says certain statements, all throughout section four, that condemn the church fathers. That's the issue.
Speaker 1That's the issue. It condemns the church fathers. It condemns the doctrine of your church. It condemns the actions of your church. It condemns your popes. It condemns everything the church has stood for for 1900 years, all to a piece of the Jews. Now, yeah, you can say, you know, well, you know, society was in its hippie era, all of this stuff, right?
Speaker 1Sure. Yeah, sure, you can say that, right? But, yeah, again, who was promoting this? Because it comes about during the civil rights movement. All of this kumbaya bullshit. And who was funding the civil rights movement? Who were the lawyers for these people who were the main voices during the civil rights movement? They were all Jews.
Speaker 1And what about Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel? Who was a big, big player in the civil rights movement. Guess what? He was also a big player in Nostra Aetate. That's the issue. That's the issue. It's not this document that is just vague, right? And it's perfectly fine. It's just a little bit vague. No. It condemns the church fathers.
Speaker 3He condemns your own church's teachers.
Speaker 1Sorry.
Ian MalcolmA little bit, but it's not too bad. Okay.
Speaker 1Sometimes once you hit the three-hour mark listening, everything goes staticky. If it's just me, then I'll refresh my browser, but I don't think it is. I was just going in there. It completely goes against the church fathers. It condemns them. It says that the things that they were teaching were wrong. It's the consensus of the views of the church fathers.
Speaker 1So it's ridiculous. The church has taught supersessionism forever before pre-Vatican II. To say that supersessionism is heretical proves that Nostra Aetate has corrupted the minds of a lot of modern Catholics. I understand you love your church. Perfect. This doesn't disprove your church. It just shows that this pastoral document, that people like to call it this pastoral document, has a lot of issues and is very, very problematic and needs to be dealt with.
Speaker 1If you can acknowledge that, we can move forward. If you can't acknowledge that and you want to deny that, then how do we move forward? We don't. That's the fucking point. The point is we acknowledge something first. We acknowledge there's a Jewish problem. Then we address the Jewish question. Simple as that. It's not fucking rocket science, right?
Speaker 1Don't even get your panties in a twist. This isn't an attack on your church. It's simply pointing out the issues within it. But anyway, we'll move on to the next.
Ian MalcolmNo, and to that point, it is worth noting that something can be subverted or undermined. It doesn't make it innately or as a result by default somehow an evil or nefarious point going forward, right? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1That was me. It actually was me that time. You started being starky. I don't know if it was for anyone else.
@joann_marieNo, I think it's true. No, I think it's true.
Speaker 1It's fine now. Carry on.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and that's what I wanted to say. This is not to suggest, and I guess we should be very specific with the verbiage. To say something has been undermined does not mean that it is... in its default state today that it is fundamentally evil or wrong or that people following it are, you know, in any way heretical or anything along those lines.
Ian MalcolmInstead, what we're saying is that something came along that had the power to influence it going forward and to perhaps even, let's say, require it to not only take these steps where they started to redefine some of the basic elements of the religion. but also perhaps to incorporate things that otherwise they wouldn't, right?
Ian MalcolmThey got leverage over this system. And so that's worth discussing, but certainly no offense intended to anybody that does follow or revere any element of Catholicism, the Pope, et cetera. So Honey Badger, I hope this isn't interpreted that way. Rather, we're just trying to understand why would prior popes do some of the things that they've done?
Ian MalcolmWhy would some of the people... And their doctrines say the things that they do. Why would somebody today believe that it was the Romans who killed Christ? Which, to Goyfather's comment earlier, essentially goes against almost 2,000 years of understanding. That is a massive departure, and it's one of extreme significance.
Ian MalcolmAnd so those are ways in which this has been undermined. But again, it doesn't mean that it's inherently evil. So I want to be very, very clear cut with that. But let's go down to White and get a question from him and then from Carmine, and then we'll come back up to Goy for some of the quotes from the church fathers.
Speaker 11What's up, everybody? I just wanted to say, because I have to get going soon, I just wanted to say this has been a great space, and I really do appreciate the discussion. It's been very interesting to listen to. I thought I would have more to add, but I think everyone's really covered everything, for the most part, that I had questions on.
Speaker 11That's a good part about having good speakers. So I appreciate everybody up here. I appreciate everybody listening. So if everybody could actually, you know, just follow the Goyfather and everyone else, just stay awesome. God bless, guys.
@joann_marieGod bless, Wayne. And I'm Catholic, and I wish there was zero you hands behind. what's going on in my church. And these talks need to happen so that they stop having any power over it, like any at all, like nothing in the Holy See, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 3And Joanne, I do want to point out, you know, Goyfather obviously is not a Catholic, but, you know, I've been in this space for three hours now and he has not attacked a single Catholic. He's not attacked anybody for our, you know, faith. And I just want to make that very apparent. Obviously, if you maybe just came in on the end,
Speaker 3It might seem a little bit differently from the optics, but, you know, Goyfather has not attacked anybody. And he's just pointing out certain things that he's maybe, you know, hadn't noticed. So I just wanted to make that incredibly clear for anyone who might, you know, because obviously religion is, you know, it's one of these toxic things that can get people fired up.
Speaker 3But, you know, in my opinion, he's been completely respectful to our faith completely as a Catholic. So I just wanted to say that.
@joann_marieYes, he's amazing. Thank you so much, Jensi. And thank you so much for always being here. Okay, so I cannot bring... No, I couldn't bring him up. So let's go to the quotes, maybe.
Speaker 1Do we have anyone else before we do?
@joann_marieOh, yeah, Carmine is actually up. Go for it, Carmine.
@proteusvxYeah, we really have to differentiate between attacking an institution versus exposing false doctrine, which has infiltrated the institution. But of course, there's a little bit more than that, because there are the sacraments that people actually have to physically be present to receive. And of course, during COVID, a lot of that went out the window.
@proteusvxAnd some other time, perhaps I'll tell you about a little conversation I had with one of the fathers during that. And I phoned him to ask him a few questions about where he stood on the matter. And I didn't like what I heard. So that's another matter we can perhaps talk about later. But the attitude of certain Catholics, especially those who are supposed to know better, I mean, you're supposed to have a proper education before becoming ordained.
@proteusvxAnd it sounds like some of them either don't have it or have it and pretend like they don't know. I had to raise that issue. Thank you very much, Ian. I'll sit back and listen. Thank you.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much, Carmine. Godfather, do you want to go through the quotes?
Speaker 1Let's go through some of these quotes. So, the main thing that was rejected in Nostra Aetate is the deicide charge. Basically, what happened in the Passion of Christ cannot be charged against the Jews. It can't be charged against the Jews of today. But St. John of Chrysostom says, he says this about the Jews. So, You know, so Nostradamus rejects the deicide charge.
Speaker 1It condemns anti-Semitism. It condemns quote-unquote hatred, right? It says that these people are in like a brotherly covenant, right? You could say, right? Very flowery language towards them. But let's read some of the fathers and see if they actually, you know, preach this same type of message, right? So St. John Chrysostom in,
Speaker 1homily one in anniversary judaeus he says when a harlot has set herself up that place is a brothel but the synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater it is also a den of robbers and a lodging for wild beasts when god forsakes a place that place becomes the dwelling of demons so how are these people in a shared covenant with us if god has forsaken their place of worship that makes no sense right makes no sense whatsoever also
Speaker 1It seems pretty hateful and anti-Semitic to say that their worship in places are dwelling houses of demons. I don't know, guys, seems pretty hateful. He also says, if then the Jew fails to know the Father, if they crucified the Son, if they thrust off the help of the Spirit, who should not make bold to declare plainly that the synagogue is a dwelling place of demons?
Speaker 1Reaffirms it again, right? He says that the Jews crucified the Son. I thought we reject that. He says, the Jews fail to know the Father. If you don't have the Father, you don't have the Son. St. John of Chrysostom famously says, no Jew worships God. So, how are they in a brotherly covenant with us? They're not. He says, the Jews are the most worthless of all men.
Speaker 1They are lecherous. Oh, I scrolled past my quote somewhere. Where's it gone? Oh, here it is. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. Remember that phrase that they took out of the Good Friday prayer? The perfidious Jews? Oh, looks like the fathers were using the same phrase. They are the perfidious murderers of Christ.
Speaker 1They worship the devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ. And for killing God, there is no expiation possible. Oh, wait. So that means... There is no expiation possible, right? So they are condemnable for it. Hmm. Weird. Anyway. There's no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never seize vengeance and the Jews must live in servitude forever.
Speaker 9Hmm.
Speaker 1Interesting. Very, very interesting. Anyway. He says, you know, but at any rate, if the Jews say that they worship... They too worship God. God forbid that I should say that. No Jew worships God. Many things. It says from St. Augustine of Hippo, the doctor of the Catholic Church. Do not interrupt, please. He says, the Jews are our librarians.
Speaker 1They carry the books from which we Christians are taught, like the slave who carries his master's books and does not profit from reading them. He says, Not by bodily death shall the ungodly race of the carnal Jews perish. For whoever destroys them in this way shall suffer sevenfold vengeance, that is, shall bring upon himself the sevenfold penalty on which the Jews lie for the crucifixion of Christ.
Speaker 1So the Jews, according to the doctor of the Catholic Church, possibly the most important theologian to the Catholic Church, alongside St. Thomas Aquinas, They have a sevenfold penalty under which they lie for the crucifixion of Christ. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Also, to prove that he believes it references all times, by the way, not just the Jews of the time, St. Augustine has a weird view.
Speaker 1He believes that the preservation of the Jews is proof to believe in Christians of the subjection. merited to those who in pride of their kingdom put the lord to death so he thinks right that the visual persecution of the jews that has been seen all throughout time is a sign to us believers to us christians that's the only reason these people are preserved and persecuted and told to be persecuted and made to be persecuted by god is a sign to us believers that this is what happens this is what happens if you put the lord to death so it
Speaker 1It counts for all of them, every single one of them. You have ecumenical councils in canon law that prohibit marriage between Christians and Jews. There should be no union between the faithful and the unfaithful. Forbidding Christians from allowing Jews to bless their crops. They were excommunicated if they did so. Prohibited Christians from eating with Jews.
Speaker 1impose penance on Christians who committed adultery with Jewish women, right? You have the Council of Nicaea, which literally decoupled the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover and established what's it called? The Sunday as a holy day, right? Independent of this Jewish calendar. You have the Fourth Lateran Council, right?
Speaker 1Well, what's it called? That's where Pope Innocent III instituted the Jewish badge, right? that the Jews had to wear a specific distinguishable dress code, right? They weren't allowed to hold public office. That's where that came into play.
Speaker 1Another council in the 1400s declared that they should be in segregated quarters, right? A whole bunch of stuff, right? Catholic church teachings and catechisms, right? It says, In this guilt are involved all those who frequently fall into sin. For, as our sin consigned Christ the Lord to death on the cross, most certainly those who wallow in sin and iniquity, crucify themselves again the Son of God as far as in them lies, and make mockery of him.
Speaker 1Their guilt seems more enormous in us than the Jews, since according to the testimony of the same apostle, if they had known it, they would have never crucified the Lord of Glory, while we, on the contrary, professing to know him, yet denying him by our actions, seem in some sort to lay violent hands on him. So basically saying that the Jews knew of Christ, physically knew of Christ, and they didn't know.
Speaker 1They didn't know what they were doing.
Speaker 1So they seem less worse than us because we know what we're doing and we betray Christ. But that's not the important part. The important part is that it extends all the way to today's times. So what does that mean? That means the guilt that he says is impeded on the Jews is the Jews today. Not just the Jews of those times, the Jews today.
Speaker 1And by the way, the Jews from Vatican II tried to use this catechism verse to show that the Jews weren't to blame, by the way. Which is funny, but anyway. Pope Innocent III also said... Although Christian piety tolerates Jews who by their own guilt are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord. But I'm confused.
Speaker 1If it only, the deicide, right, only refers to the Jews at the time of Christ, how will we put in punishment on Jews in the 1200s based on these exact same rulings? You have Pope Gregory, St. Pope Gregory I,
Speaker 1Just as the Jews should not have license to practice in their synagogues, anything more than them is allowed by the law, so they should not suffer any disability in that which is conceded to them. Right? They are tolerated, they are never considered equal. Right? Then we have some other things that we all obviously mentioned, from the 1500s, the 1700s, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1Yeah, Pope Clement the 30th, the 8th, sorry. All the world's... the world all the world sorry suffers from the usury of the jews their monopolies and deceit they have brought so many unfortunate people into a state of poverty um especially the farmers working class people in the very poor right you have the good friday prayer right where it says let us also uh pray for the perfidious jews that our god would remove the veil from their hearts so they acknowledge jesus christ look this prayer is a good thing it's saying pray for these perfidious jews
Speaker 1The Jews couldn't even accept that. They had to remove it. That's how fucking audacious these people are. It also says, the almighty and eternal God... Wait, no, that's the wrong one. Where's the one I'm looking for? Oh, here's a good one, by the way. Here's a good one. This is from Peter the Venerable, right? In his Adversos Iadorum something something.
Speaker 1He says, I do not know whether a Jew is a man who neither submits to human reason nor to divine authority. So basically, he questions the rationality of a Jew to the point where if they can even be called human, if they can even be called man because they seem like animals, they don't submit to human reason or divine authority.
Speaker 1You have St. Thomas Aquinas, the most important theologian of the Catholic Church. The most important theologian of the Catholic Church, right? It is true, as the laws say, that Jews, by reason of their fault, are sentenced to perpetual servitude, and thus the Lord of the lands in which they dwell may take things from them, as though they were their own, with nonetheless the restraint observed that the necessary supplies of life would not be taken from them.
Speaker 1Interesting. So we have firm perpetual servitude. How the fuck does Nostra Aetate reckon? It's obvious. It doesn't. Wait, hold on. Spamming and spamming and spamming quotes, but you get the point. This is clearly contrary to Nostra Aetate. Clearly contrary to Vatican II. These two beliefs do not coincide. The belief of the early church is completely in opposition to Nostra Aetate.
Speaker 1Like I said before, if you read Senefron Assyrian's works and some of his hymns, especially on Unleavened Bread 17, 18, and 19, he says stuff like, I hate or I loathe the bones of the dead, right? So hymns, so it's allegorical, et cetera. Goyfather, can you...
@joann_marieI don't think I can hear this.
Speaker 12Can I ask a question?
@joann_marieNo, hold on. I want him to recycle because it's like super... No, yeah, it's getting bad. I'm so sorry, Goyfather.
Speaker 3Hey, Joanne, real quick. Goyfather was awesome talking to you tonight, man. I got to drop down, but I just wanted to say that. He and Joanne, W Space and... Talk to y'all later.
@joann_marieYes, thank you so much for coming up. It's been such a great space. And yeah, guys, please also follow Gen Z. He's awesome. And please repost his space and follow Ian and Goifather, who is about to come back. Yeah, it was getting very staticky.
Speaker 6Goifather mentioned that he's on a laptop. He probably needs to reboot.
@joann_marieYeah, Goyfather is back.
@joann_marieIan? OK, I'm just going to let him up.
Speaker 1I'm getting stocky, and then I refresh my browser, and it seems to be OK. AMANDA SCHADE- Yes, you're a lot better.
@joann_marieYeah, it was getting painful. Sorry.
Speaker 6Just FYI, you'd be better off rebooting when that happens. It's a memory issue. Thanks.
Speaker 1I have enough RAM. My thing is only 20%. It's typically a browser issue because it's only allocated a certain amount of RAM. But wait, wait, wait. Quotes, did I get through most of the quotes? Were they audible or not? If they were audible, that's fine. They'll be in the substack anyway, so I don't really matter. But is there anything else?
Speaker 1You can think of Ian.
Speaker 12I just had a question.
Speaker 1Go ahead, Matt.
@joann_marieI see that you love Israel. Your entire feed is just defending Israel over and over and over.
Speaker 1Who, me?
Speaker 12No. No, I'm not a huge defender of Israel. But I just had a question. Who do you think is more oppressive or against Christians? Jews or Islam?
Speaker 1Jews. Well, Islam isn't a people. Muslims are people, right? But yeah, Jews.
Speaker 12Well, Islam's a religion. Do you think Judaism is more against Christians or Islam?
Speaker 1Judaism. How is this a real question? Is your question, because first you were a little bit confused. You asked about people, then a religion, then switched it to just a religion. So just to be clear, are you asking which people group are more oppressive? Or are you asking which religion in its teachings are more hostile?
Speaker 1Which one?
Speaker 12I guess I'll go religion. Yeah, religion.
Speaker 1Still Jews. Still Jews.
Speaker 12Can you demonstrate that?
Speaker 1Yeah. The Jews in their holy books say that the mother of God, right? The mother of God is a whore. That's what they say. And they say she was an adulterer who slept with a Roman soldier and that Christ is her bastard child. Right? They say that Christ stood up a brick and worshipped it. They compare him to a donkey. Okay?
Speaker 1They call him a sorcerer. They call him all types of names. I don't see this in Islam. Islam has some problematic things against Christianity and Christians, but nothing to the level of this.
Speaker 12I guess it's like modern Judaism. I just don't see a lot of modern Judaism that is really against Christianity. This seems like more Old Testament kind of stuff.
@joann_marieYou have no knowledge of history whatsoever, bro.
Speaker 1You seem confused.
Speaker 12No, I'm trying to learn. That's why I'm here. I'm just trying to learn. I'm not claiming to know more. I'm here to learn. Seriously.
Speaker 1Would it be better to talk about people groups since you seem confused about religion? to speak about what people group has been worse? Would that be easy?
Speaker 12Well, people groups make up the religion. So, I mean, I guess you can't really have one without the other. I guess right now, who is more oppressive towards Christians?
Speaker 1So, for one, your question has changed three different times now, right? I think you're severely confused, so I'm going to help you out, and I'm going to show how the people group of the Jewish religion have been more oppressive historically to Christians than the people group of the Muslims.
Speaker 12Can I break real quick before you go into that?
Speaker 12So does Israel allow Christians to practice in Jerusalem? Is there any oppression going on in Christians in Jerusalem and the West Bank from Israel?
Speaker 1What is it? Look, you're still confused. You didn't even listen to what I said.
Speaker 12I'm sorry. You're right.
Speaker 1From the inception of Christianity, the Jews... and the Romans for the first 300 years, were the main opponents of Christianity. They were hunting us down. They were enslaving us. There was a large portion of the slave owners under the Roman Empire who had Christian slaves who were Jewish. They were allowed to do so under the Roman Empire.
Speaker 1So you have that. Then you have the Himyarite kingdom in Yemen. It was this massive Jewish empire. which massacred Christians and did the most unspeakable things you can think of until St. Caleb of Axum and the kingdom of Axum came and invaded them and had to slaughter them to make them stop. Then you have the Persian conquest of Jerusalem, which killed tens of thousands of Christians.
Speaker 12But that was Persians, not Jews.
Speaker 1Oh, huh. Wait and listen, smart guy. You jump the gun. You jump the gun.
Speaker 12Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 1Anyway, so as I was saying, right, this Persian conquest, the Jews in the regions, right, ancient Babylonian regions, they were involved. The military commander, I believe his name was Nehemiah Ben, I believe that was his name, Nehemiah Ben, one of those two, right, Nehemiah something. He was the military commander who led the charge into Jerusalem.
Speaker 1Okay? Most of the foot soldiers, or a lot of the foot soldiers, were Jewish. Because guess what? They were barred from Jerusalem. They were barred from the Holy Land because of their persecution on Christians. Okay? So they helped the Persians. They came in. They massacred us in the tens of thousands, raped our women, did all type of unspeakable things.
Speaker 13Okay?
Speaker 1Simple. Alright? Then... You have further on, right? Even when you bring up the stuff the Muslims have done to Christians, right? Like the invasion of Spain. Well, who opened the gates of Toledo? It was the Jews. The Jews let them in. They opened the gates of Toledo for them. You see me getting frustrated. Maybe it's your cognitive dissonance breaking down.
Speaker 12Anyway, right? You know more than me.
@joann_marieHold on, sir. He's teaching you, okay?
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I'm listening. He knows more than me, so I'm listening.
@joann_marieSo, keep listening.
Speaker 1So, they open the gates. The caliphate invades Spain, right? Then, over certain regions within Spain, Jews are given governance, etc. They are governors of these regions. They lead little military groups and whatnot, right? Who subjugate and persecute Christians, which is why the Reconquista happened. They would have never been in Spain if the sneaky Jews didn't open the gates of Toledo.
Speaker 1Now, when we get to Constantinople and the Ottoman invasion of Constantinople, well, guess what? The Turks invaded through the Jewish neighborhoods. The Jews let them sneakily go through their neighborhoods to invade Constantinople, destroy our churches, take over Hagia Sophia, etc., and turn them into mosques, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1rape our women, enslave them, et cetera, et cetera, right? All under the Ottoman Empire, at least, the Jews were there hand in hand with the Ottomans, working it. The Jews were allowed to own Christian slaves. The Ottomans themselves took advice from the Jews on what to do with slaves. The Jewish law on slaves is shave the woman's head, force castrate the boy.
Speaker 1Guess what the Ottomans did for some odd reason? They shaved the woman's head. They force castrated the boy. They also sodomized these children. So yeah, the Muslims historically have been the persecuted Christians. But everywhere where you can see Muslim persecution of Christians, the Jew is there hand in hand. So the Jew also accumulates that.
Speaker 1But then the Jew has way more. Then we get to the Bolsheviks, right? We get to 49,000 churches destroyed in a short period of time. Christianity or Orthodox Christianity dwindling, fighting for its life because of the Jews, right? All the later saints that speak of the Jews and were persecuted by the Jews, like St. John of Kronstadt, okay?
Speaker 1Like all these other saints who were persecuted by the Jews.
Speaker 12So, yeah, the Jews... Is he just playing the Jews for the Romanov Empire falling in Russia?
Speaker 1Are you new on Twitter?
Speaker 12I mean, you... You do know Jews make up 0.2% of the world's population and you think they control everything.
Speaker 1Do you know what a monarchy is?
Speaker 12Yes, I do.
Speaker 1Can I ask you a question? What percent of a country led by a monarch leads the country? What percent?
Speaker 12The monarch leads the country.
Speaker 1Is that less than 0.2%?
Speaker 12That is a false equivalency. I said Jews make 0.2% of the world's population, and you're talking like they are every fucking problem in the world.
Speaker 1You're still confused.
Speaker 12You blame the Jews for taking out the Romanov Empire in Russia.
Speaker 1Hey, smart guy. Hey, smart guy. What you said addresses nothing. You ignored everything I said previously because of your cognitive dissonance and Jewish race worship.
Speaker 12No. You've given a good history. You've given a good history. I can tell you know a lot about history and I did learn a lot. But what I'm asking you, I'm asking you, I'm asking you though right now, this day, this day, are Jews oppressing people? Are Jews oppressing Christians today? Where? Where?
Speaker 1Where? For one, right, any type of persecution you can point to for the Muslims, like Syrian civil war, for example.
Speaker 12Okay. What's happening in Sudan to the Christians?
@joann_marieWhat's happening to everyone in Sudan?
Speaker 12No, the Christians in Sudan, what's happening to them today?
Speaker 1Cold, cold, cold. Are you confused? It's not only Christians in Sudan. If you mention Nigeria, you'd have a better case, right? It is targeted at Christians. Muslims are still victims, but it's targeted at Christians. Sudan is targeted at anyone, right? Dar es Salaam, targeting pretty much anyone. There's no real, like,
Speaker 1that was given about, you know, target the Christians, etc.
Speaker 12What about in Syria? What was happening to Christians in Syria?
@joann_marieIt's happening to all of the minorities as well.
Speaker 12Right, but that's my point. I'm waiting for you to tell me where the Jews are creating all this violence.
@joann_marieWhere are the Jews killing all these innocents?
@__confederate__Can we not let this guy like take us off track? Can we keep Goyfather on the topic, on the subject matter? That would be great.
Speaker 1Good to see you, Doc, over there. Anyway, cold. Here to break it to you, mate. Syrian civil war wouldn't really have kicked off as it did without the help of the Jews, okay? Al-Qaeda, Daesh, and all these rebel groups, right? For some reason, had a lot of weapons that were coming from all over the West. They were also getting training from France, from Israelis, from Britain, from Turkey, from the UAE, etc.
Speaker 1So, yeah, there was persecution of Christians, no doubt about it. But I'm confused. Do you think Jews had no part to play? Don't be so stupid. Do you know what a clean break report is? That's the reason half of these conflicts happened in the Middle East. Well, the majority of these conflicts happen in the Middle East.
Speaker 1Why is the Christian population so little in all of these regions? Because of these wars, you moron, that the Jews lobbied for. So they don't need to be hands-on involved. They were hands-on involved in the past. Now they don't get hands-on involved. Hello, everyone.
Speaker 13Can I have just five minutes?
Speaker 1William, do you know what decorum is?
Speaker 1Do you know what that is?
Speaker 1You want five minutes. What is this? Is this an ad room? What are we doing here? Come on. Go some decorum. I'm finished now. So if Colt wants to respond to anything, you can. If not, we can move on to the rest of the hands and whatnot before we get out of there because it's about 6 a.m. my time.
@joann_marieThis place has been amazing, my father. This is just absolutely brilliant. I missed you so much. I'm really happy you're back. Colt, do you want to respond?
Speaker 12No, this is a good conversation. Like, honestly, I'm learning a lot. I'm just trying to figure out where all this animus comes against the Jewish people.
@joann_marieYou still haven't figured it out, bro? Like, oh, my God. Okay. Yeah, no.
Speaker 12I'm going to pray for you. As a Christian, I just don't see oppression coming from the Jewish people.
Speaker 1I just listened.
@autofix4405My man, if you ever go to Israel, they'll spit on you as a Christian. If you go into Israel and you go walking around in their streets, Jewish people will spit on you. Literally, Haka Lugians spit on you. Are you cool with that? Are you cool with people spitting on you as you walk and mind your business? So then why are you sitting here, you know...
@autofix4405putting up a fight for these people. I posted a video that literally happened. I'm sorry, I just had to speak up.
@joann_marieYeah, no, it's fine. I posted a video in the Jumbotron that happened yesterday. A nun is pushed by a Jew in Jerusalem. Like, I don't understand where have you... No, you just have no idea what you're talking about, and I hope that you realize what the Jews are doing to the Christians, to the Catholics, to... Every single person, also to the Muslims, it's just to everyone, because these people hate people who are not Jews.
@joann_marieThey literally hate Gentiles. They call us goyim.
Speaker 12I think the Catholics should be more worried about their Pope.
Speaker 6Tell them about the churches that are hundreds of years old that are being destroyed in Palestine and Lebanon as well.
@joann_marieIn Syria as well, they have been destroying churches and they destroyed all the churches in Russia.
Speaker 12Really? The Jews are destroying churches.
Speaker 1You guys are... Are you fucking retarded? I think that's the real question. Are you a fucking retard by any chance? Are you mentally deficient? Have you ever done any research on any topic ever? Apart from how many black mouths you can smoke before you die? Are you fucking dumb? It's not hard to find this out, you moron.
Speaker 1You can go look up the St. Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza, and you can see that it was struck by Israel, you moron.
Speaker 12You can go look up the city of... Is there a war going on in Gaza?
Speaker 1Yeah, there's a wall. I'm confused.
Speaker 12Does a wall mean you talk?
@joann_marieI posted a picture of an IDF. I posted a picture of the IDF. Where did it go?
@joann_marieHitting Jesus. A statue of Jesus. And I'm going to post it again because I don't understand why it's disappearing. Sorry, Grandfather. Go for it.
Speaker 1Yeah, this guy just seems like one of these retards who has cognitive dissonance and worships Israel and the Jews and then pretends that he doesn't. But then it comes out of him very quickly. And he starts going, well, yeah, man, shit happens in war. You know, if they bomb all the churches, who cares, man? Shit happens in war.
Speaker 1Maybe you shouldn't start the war.
Speaker 12Was there a lot of churches in Gaza? He's one of those.
Speaker 14You have to understand that they have, like...
@__confederate__ai precision technology to target anything or in particular like there's no missing there's no missing it's not like on accident there's no accidents you know going father can you just ask this cold as ice so maybe you can we can get to the crux of what narrative he's trying to push in his profile it says jesus saved me so that would mean that he's a christian my one and only question to him is the church that you attend cold as ice is it older or younger
@__confederate__than the state of Israel that was formed in 1948?
Speaker 12That's a good question. I don't really prescribe myself to a church, but I'm wondering...
@__confederate__Okay, so you've got no idea, right? Because the church came before... No, he wasn't. He was an Israelite, right? According to the flesh, according to his human nature. Now, you would not have no idea what the Bible is because it's the church that canonized, preserved, copied, and shared the Gospels. So can we please not waste our time on this idiot, send him back to John Hadji, and can we please move on and listen to the Goy's father for however long he can be.
@__confederate__Thank you very much. I return the mic. Screw you, you heretic dog.
Speaker 12Thank you, Joey.
Speaker 1Fuck the Catholic Church. Thank you, doc. He's orthodox, you fucking idiot. You moron.
@__confederate__Just get him out. He's a dumb cunt. I don't know why the co-host holds him for. Cold as ice. The guy's as fucking dumb as dog shit. Get him out of here so we can finish this fight in a pataki way.
@joann_marieYou should be. All right. He's cracking the masturbation machines, okay? Sorry, go for it. Oh, who's talking? Oh, okay. Go for it, William.
Speaker 15Okay, hello, everyone, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, I didn't know what the subject was. Oh, drop him. Yeah, I am Muslim, but I love Catholic, Bible, Holy Bible, Quran. That's it. Yeah, I love Christian. Yeah, and I would like... Someone dropping.
@autofix4405Are you Saudi? Someone dropping.
@joann_marieNo, no, no.
Speaker 1Are you originally from Saudi Arabia?
@joann_marieAll right, I dropped him.
Speaker 1Please, just get him gone. When somebody comes up, he's been sat here for over a fucking hour, by the way, and his first thing he says is, I don't know the topic. Were your ears closed? What do you mean you don't know the topic? You've been here for an hour, you fucking idiot. These people are morons. Let's get to some hands of humans with cognitive faculties.
Speaker 1Let's get through these hands so we can wrap this up. I'd love to hear from Doc at some point. Yeah, go for it, Doc.
@__confederate__No worries, Joanne. I'll wait because Carmine has his hand up so does Donna. Let's just go through the hands, a couple of minutes each, and you can wrap the space up. Let them go. Thank you.
@joann_marieAll right. I'm super glitchy. Go for it, Donna.
@donnaleistOkay. I just wanted to let that Al, whatever the heck his name is, Al Ace or whatever, you want to ignore what's going on outside of this country. Okay, you know what's going on inside this country? They're geofencing the churches here. And they're trying to make laws that things that are written in the New Testament are illegal.
@donnaleistAnd you can go to jail for saying them. So if you don't care about anybody else, no other humans in this world, and you just want to think about yourself, think about that. And I'll just land.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much, Donna. Oh, go for it, Carmine.
@proteusvxOh, thank you, Joanne. Thank you, Ian. Thanks, everyone, once again. I won't be very long. I'm going to make an observation. It's going to be difficult for some to hear and perhaps more difficult for some to explain. I have heard on more than one occasion a quote from a certain rabbi or perhaps more than a few. And they said, Islam is the Jewish broom.
@proteusvxThe implication being that Jews are using Islam like a broom to sweep away Christians. This is what I've heard. I'd like to hear how people weigh in on that. Thank you, Joanne, Ian, Goyfather, and everyone else. This is a serious thing to hear. We can't ignore that statement. Thank you.
@autofix4405If I may just jump in and answer part of his question.
@joann_marieI think he has going further, though.
@autofix4405Oh, excuse me, I'm sorry.
@proteusvxIt's open to anyone, but please, of course, honors to the guests that are on the first.
Speaker 1Yeah, the quote is basically referring to immigration, that they are going to push Muslims into the European countries, push the Ishmaelites into the Edomites countries and whatnot, which is why you'll see corroborating type of statements from other rabbis who say... you know, the Messiah will not come until Esau and Ishmael fight each other, speaking of the West and the East, right?
Speaker 1No better way to cause that than to push the East into the West, as well as push the West into the East, firstly, to cause refugee crises to push the East into the West. It's referring to that. You'll find a lot of quotes like that. If I may, okay, just a brief interjection.
@proteusvxThat brings us square... in front of a figure by the name of Barbara Lerner Specter. To corroborate what you just said there, she founded what's called the Paideia Institute. You can find this on YouTube, Barbara Lerner Specter, who openly said in the interview that Jews will be resented for their role in doing the very thing that you described them doing.
@proteusvxFascinating that it would come out of their own mouths, and then they would turn around and say, what? What problem do you have with this? Gee, well, now I have one more observation. Does anyone just stop to wonder why they are so open about it? Why would they be so open about it? I'll tell you this much. If at the very least, what they like to do is provoke.
@proteusvxThey want to provoke. They'll act as if they don't know what you're talking about, but they most certainly do. I mean, there are some people that you might call stupid, retarded, moron, whatever word you want to use. But make no mistake, some of them know full well what's being discussed. and want to pretend like they don't.
@proteusvxFeigning stupidity is a long-standing tradition. Thank you, Ian, Joanne, Goyfather. Once again, read Martin Luther's On the Jews and Their Lives. Also get your hands on the homilies of St. John Chrysostom. Once again, thank you. Yes, of course, get the distillations here. I urge everyone to read the documents for yourself for maximal effect.
@proteusvxThank you.
@joann_marieThank you, Carmine. And go for it, Big T, if you want to add something.
@joann_marieIs he talking?
@autofix4405Hello, can you hear me? Sorry.
@joann_marieOh, yeah. Go for it.
@autofix4405Sorry, I was double muted. Well, I just wanted to answer part of his question in regards of the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians. And, of course, some people may know this. In the end of the day, as taught in biblical times, when supposedly Jesus was supposed to come back to earth, what happens is that the Christians and the Muslims go against the Jews, right?
@autofix4405And as they're following their book and their beliefs, Christians and the Muslims unite against the Jews. to fight against the Messiah that they dearly love, which is the one-eyed, I forgot the name of it. Sorry.
@joann_marieThe Antichrist?
@autofix4405Yeah, the Antichrist, right? Yeah, I'm just thinking so fast, right? Yeah, the Antichrist. So in the end of the day, of course, that's their path, and that's what they believe in in the end of the day. I mean, because they're so biblically into the 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 years ago. of the land being theirs, you know, that's what they believe in, and that's what they're setting up for.
@autofix4405So they're just trying to raise chaos so that way, hey, look, the Christians don't get along with the Muslims, the Muslims don't get along with the Christians, but guess what? The Jews are the ops for both, you know what I'm saying? Technically, you know what I'm saying? And they know that, and most of the Muslims know that, but the Christians, for some reason, sometimes forget that, you know what I'm saying?
@autofix4405And instead of remembering that and saying, hey, let's... Let's team up and work together. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, these are the people that were the ones that always committed the crimes against the Christians and the Muslims back in those days. No, they just sit here and throw the table up in the air and everybody's fighting each other.
@autofix4405You see what I'm saying? So, I mean, just to sum it up for you, you know, they know exactly what they're doing. And it's not... And it's right there in our face, and we just forget about it, and we want to sit here and deal with diplomatical bullshit, you know what I'm saying? And instead of sitting here looking at the truth, what is the truth behind it, you know what I mean?
@autofix4405And they're trying to control that, the narrative, and I'll land there.
@joann_marieYeah, they always put... everyone against each other, black against white, right versus left, men versus women, Islam versus, like, everything so that we don't realise who's actually causing all the problems. Thank you so much, Piketty. Doc, go for it.
@__confederate__Thank you very much, Joanne. I'll just try and be, like, as short and direct as possible. Goi Fada, nice to hear you, brother. I hope you had a blessed Lent and a joyous... and spiritually enriching Pascha Easter, celebrating the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I wasn't here for much of the space, Goyfather, but I'd like to put this question to you in relation to the title of the space.
@__confederate__You want to call it Western Europe, Western world, Roman Catholicism, and then the Protestant Reformation. Would you say that that part of Christendom during the Middle Ages, the middle centuries, even though we did see, you know, or not we didn't literally see, but the reconquest of like Spain and the Iberian Peninsula, et cetera, et cetera.
@__confederate__But other than that, would that part of Christendom from your understanding, would have they been in a theological and a never ending subversive war against the perfidious Jews? Whereas during that time, Eastern Europe, or you want to say Orthodox Christian Europe was battling, the ottoman empire and constant political tensions from the balkans all the way to today's russian federation would that be in its very shortest form like the two sort of battles that were going on throughout all of christendom throughout that middle ages period after the great schism according to you yeah i mean pretty much from from time periods i was speaking about
Speaker 1The Eastern Christians, we were fighting the Ottomans, and the ongoing invasions into the Balkan regions, etc. And the West was fighting the subversive Jews from inside the government, as well as all the brother wars that were going on, I guess. So yeah, that's 100% correct.
@__confederate__Right, okay. All good, all good. I don't want to be too long. I know it's a bigger jump, but we're covering like many centuries. Then we get to the 20th century, right? With the takedown of the Romanov Empire, the destruction of the Russian Empire and the installation of Jewish atheist communism throughout Eastern Europe or predominantly Eastern Europe or the traditional Orthodox Christian lands.
@__confederate__So that part of Christendom had to fight Jewish atheism or Bolshevism, whatever term you want to use. Whereas the West or Western Christianity they had to fight against or they were like in a sense they were from my perspective fooled into a false sense of belief because of increased wealth materialism secularism and all these ideas of the modern world which has brought us to the age of or to the state of 2026 where everything that is anti-christian has basically been legalized throughout the western world so
@__confederate__In the 20th century, the Eastern Orthodox were fighting for their very survival against Jewish communism, whereas Western Christianity was fighting against Jewish subversiveness in the terms of materialism, secularism, the glorifying of the self, et cetera, et cetera. Would you agree with that statement in general, Great Father?
Speaker 1A hundred percent. You can say that the East was fighting against Jewish communism and the West was, you know, not really fighting against it, but being pretty much dominated by Jewish capitalism. Obviously, you know, there was some communist revolutions, socialist revolutions that were kicking up in Spain that were fucking awful in Italy, Germany and elsewhere.
@__confederate__Okay, all right, cool. And then like the last one I would say to you, maybe you've covered it in the space. I wasn't there earlier, couldn't hear it. What would you say or what would your position be? What could the leadership of the Catholic Church now do if it was a true leadership and it wasn't influenced by subversive forces?
@__confederate__What could be some of the key things that it could do to restore the traditional faith that it always upheld? Would it basically be rescinding all of Vatican II? Or would you go even further back in history?
Speaker 1So probably what would need to happen is, a relook into Vatican II and Nostra Aetate, right? That would be the main thing. But the chances of that happening are pretty little. So what I would say is just give more validation to groups like the SSPX because those groups are heavily anti-Vatican II. So, you know, even if you feel like you can't revert Vatican II or do an overlook of it, right?
Speaker 1They can probably do clarifications on it, etc. I would say just validate SSPX more because then it gives more validation to the anti-vac and to position while still being in community.
@__confederate__Yeah. Okay. All good. Thank you very much. Go father. I don't want to hold up the microphone. Thank you, Joanne. When we ask just questions direct, you know, we can learn a bit more. Thank you. Go father. I returned the mic. Whoever's next.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much, doc. CEO of Derp store. Go for it.
Speaker 16Thank you very much. So I wasn't here for most of the space, which is kind of a shame because I feel like I missed a lot of good things. But with all this being said, and I think that you could infinitely delve into the history of the Jews and their lives, as it were. You could put a microscope to it and you could just keep finding more and more bullshit.
Speaker 16One has to ask, which kind of got brought up earlier by Doc Holliday, what do you do moving forward? um and i think my general approach is i think that maybe the best solution might just be start separating out more because i feel like the the civilization that we're seeing now america etc as it has been dominated by just complete jewish supremacy do we do we
Speaker 16cordon off into sanctuaries of sorts of like monasteries of old or do we do we like actually take the fight forward I guess I guess is something of a question of mine I open that to anybody who wants to answer if one of the Americans wants to answer his question about it seems like you're more asking about American civilization rather than
Speaker 16I mean, more broadly, definitely. But I think a lot of it's going to start in America because America is a modern Rome. I mean, let's be honest here.
Speaker 1One of the Americans can answer that one.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and you're saying specifically you're thinking what is the best way to attack or tackle this intellectual challenge. Is that right? I just want to be very specific.
Speaker 16yeah or at least at least like the first step right because i think we all generally like we wouldn't be here if we if we didn't generally agree like hey like jews been us up the ass for the last like at least century if not the last millennia yeah and and look i mean i i think um here's the crazy part right and we heard this at the offset of the space which was that this is a pattern that has continuously repeated itself over and over and over again from
Ian Malcolmthe era of Napoleon to the second president of the United States with John Adams, right? There was a recognition that there was either going to need to be something where you say, this is an issue. We can't seem to get along. We either need to divide and conquer and you guys can go your way and we'll go our way and we'll do two different things.
Ian MalcolmOr we try to figure out how these things come together and ultimately everybody can live in some kind of peace with one another. I think it's safe to say that the second, the latter, whatever you want to call it, has taken place for a long time. And that's not the case because seemingly almost everywhere that this group of people, they get involved, they go, there is this attempt to undermine what is and to try and build something different.
Ian MalcolmAnd, you know, people are entitled to do those things. But at some point you have to recognize, and I believe this, that Jewish supremacy is antithetical to essentially American prosperity. And the same could be said about essentially every nation on Earth, because if you have a group of people that are undermining the everyday citizen so that they can build their own state within a state that is a super state that rules all the states, well, then it's either them or it's everybody else.
Ian MalcolmAnd that doesn't mean that it has to be a kinetic issue. It doesn't mean that I'm wishing any ill on anyone. And I bring up the past because. The difference between today and what people have seen 100 years ago, 200 years ago, et cetera, is that the whole world is starting to recognize this thing all at once, little by little.
Ian MalcolmAnd we think that there's lots of people that get it, right? We believe that essentially everyone should see it this way because we see it so clearly. But there are a lot of people who are still... You know, they're stuck on first base, or maybe they're not even there yet. They're halfway between the two, right? So the onus is on us, and I sincerely believe that virtually anyone, it doesn't matter if you're a boomer who doesn't want to acknowledge that this problem exists because you've been so propagandized, and because to admit it requires that you accept that you participated in it, or if it's the younger generation, which...
Ian MalcolmThey're probably going to be pretty apathetic because they don't see a whole lot of opportunity in front of them, right? Either one of these groups, just like in Clockwork Orange, they need to have their eyes held wide open and essentially force-fed, intellectually speaking, this reality so they can all stand in opposition to it.
Ian MalcolmAnd as they do, everybody can peacefully say enough is enough. And I think it is possible, right? All those different world leaders from John Adams to Napoleon, they said, we'll just integrate everything. Perhaps things can be integrated. Perhaps we don't need to have a mass expulsion. We don't need any kinetic violence.
Ian MalcolmWe don't need any of that stuff. But we do need a very firm resolution that this is done. We are tired of being lied to about what is. We are really sick and tired of being lied to about that dynamic because they want to protect it by continuing to be subversive with it. And we recognize that in them having it, they seem to make everything worse for everyone except themselves.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's it. It is over. And I'm really sick and tired, and I think everybody else is as well, of basically being told, woe is me. I'm the poor little victim. How dare you suggest that I have any privilege while I simultaneously demand that I get to enslave you? Nope. That's not how it works. You, the slave master, don't get to say, oh, no, don't tell me I'm wrong and bad and all this other stuff.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's what they're doing. And they're accustomed to it. They're used to it. There's perhaps something that is genetic about it. If that's the case, that is not our fault. If you're born with three arms and one of them constantly is trying to stab everyone around you, we don't dislike you because you have three arms.
Ian MalcolmWe dislike you because you're trying to stab all the innocent people around you. And seemingly, that's what's happening. Right. These group of people believe that they are entitled to do this stuff, that they can blow up the Palestinians, that they can take over Iran, that they can build the greater Israel and that anything that stands in the way has to just get steamrolled.
Ian MalcolmAnd if you say you don't get to do that, then it makes you a bigot. Nope, we're done. We are tired. We are over that that era. And I think everybody is going to recognize it. And then everybody the same way that I say, no, there are men and there are women. There's no other thing. You can think you're something else. But if you do, I'm going to treat you as if this is the 1970s and all versions of science and basically say you have a mental disorder.
Ian MalcolmIf you are a Jew and you believe that you are entitled to enslave everybody and that any opposition to that is bigotry or anti-Semitism, you're a crazy person. And we need to start speaking with that type of resolute understanding as we do. Other people will recognize. The only reason they don't think the same thing is because they're so heavily propagandized.
Ian MalcolmSo I apologize for the long-winded answer, but I hope that that was helpful, CEO.
Speaker 16Definitely. And I largely agree. I think the, as it were, red pilling is definitely like the first step, right? And I think what you said is definitely very true where... A lot of people are kind of waking up to this at once. Like, it's very rapid. It's insane how many normies I see speaking about, like, oh, man, you know, fuck Israel, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 16I'm like, holy shit. Like, 10 years ago wouldn't have been a fucking thing. Like, I've been on this train for, like, a pretty long time, I like to think, at least, like, the last 10 years, right? I think the thing that really woke me up... Did it cut off?
Ian MalcolmNo, it did on my end.
@joann_marieOh.
Ian MalcolmAre you there?
Speaker 1Yeah, I've got the room.
@joann_marieOkay, I'm going to recycle him.
Speaker 1Whoever the raise last do two last hands to me so I can get out of it.
@joann_marieYes, thank you so much, Goyim. I keep repeating this, but seriously, it's so amazing that I'm just so grateful that you're back. Let me be frank, go for it.
Speaker 17Hello, good evening, my fellow Goyim. Can you hear me okay?
Speaker 9Yes.
Speaker 17Oh, good. Yeah, it's great to hear Goyfather again. I haven't, geez, I think it's been since JQ Radio maybe that I haven't heard him. But yeah, that was interesting. I didn't get to catch the whole lesson, but it was good, the bit that I was able to get. And I just want to say, yeah, this is the first step. People are actually starting to understand the problem, you know.
Speaker 17When you have a tumor, you don't just ignore it. You say, well, why is my abdomen hurting? And you go to a doctor and you get the test and the blood work comes back. And it takes a process. It's a process. So this is all a process for everyone to kind of wake up, figure out what's going on, how we've been subverted. Oh, looky here.
Speaker 17There's a long history of these specific people. that we're actually a different people and now we've got these other people. It's very confusing, obviously. But yeah, Islam is a broom of the Jew, was coined by Rabbi Tutu. And if you listen to a lot of different rabbis, which I do almost daily, their biggest fear is that Christians and Muslims will stop fighting each other and actually come together and see who the common enemy is.
Speaker 17Unfortunately, we have all these evangelical Christians that have been bamboozled and brainwashed with war levels of propaganda their whole life. You see it especially in the boomer generation. But again, all of us have been subjected our whole lives through the McGraw-Hill books that we read as children, through war levels of propaganda to just see things for how they want us to see it.
Speaker 17a couple other points, but I can't quite remember. But yeah, it's a process. And unfortunately, I don't know how many people we have in the room. It should be thousands, but it's what, maybe a couple hundred. You can't just get everyone on board all at once. Everyone has to do it in their own, whatever their cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias will allow.
Speaker 17But again, four levels of propaganda and it's a lot to take on at once. So yeah, I'll land it there. Thank you.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and, uh, and you know, on that, um, on that note, Frank, it's, it's so well, uh, so well presented and, you know, the, the, the craziest piece about this to the, the prior comments, uh, that, that were made, you know, this idea of enough is enough and we're not going to put up with this anymore. And we're not going to be lied to.
Ian MalcolmRight. We essentially have a psychopathic girlfriend. It's kind of the reality. Right. We have our arms twisted by this thing. And it's like the friend that perhaps you have. They're dating the horrible woman. And that woman keeps telling them everything's going to be OK. Don't worry. You know, I'll change my ways. And they just get just run around over and over and over again.
Ian MalcolmAnd. That's basically what it's like trying to wake somebody up to the reality of what's going on, right? We say, hey, we think Trump is subservient to Jewish supremacy. And they, no way. And then you're like, well, isn't it weird? He's bombing Iran. He said he wouldn't do that. Well, and then here come the excuses, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd I say that because just like with the crazy psychopathic ex-girlfriend, once people get kind of over the hump and they see what's happening, they can't ever go back. There's no way to turn around and to say, you know, like once you realize what's happening, that it's not, and I hate to say this, but it's not just Netanyahu.
Ian MalcolmIt's not just Israel. It's not just Zionism. It's not just any of these things. These are just basically shields that are being put up by the actual problem, which is Jewish supremacy. It's not all Jews, but it is this wing of Jews that believe themselves entitled to basically enslave Everybody that thinks that they're superior, you know, a Goy father was talking about how this is essentially a, it's a fundamental religious difference, but there's also some kind of personality element to it, a genetic element to it, et cetera.
Ian MalcolmAnd it is as simplistic as Jeffrey Epstein or Alan Dershowitz or all these other Jews that weren't talking about, you know, resurrecting the temple. And yet they were saying that it's Jews versus the Goy and the Jews are winning. So there's something going on here that kind of supersedes religion. I find it really difficult to believe that Jeffrey Epstein was out there because it was purely about a temple.
Ian MalcolmNo, he believes himself superior to all the goy. That's a term that he used, right? This is a wildly supremacist system that innately is built into the culture, built into the religion, I believe built into the genetics. And it's very, very similar just based on at a macro level. If you study the behavioral patterns of a narcissist, this is basically a culture and a religion and perhaps a genetic that is narcissistic in every capacity.
Ian MalcolmZero ability to take fault for their actions. Zero ability to be accountable for them. Always an excuse. Always a justification. Why did you burn the house down? And why do you hate all of us? Oh, oh, okay. Well, you only kind of do it. And it was the result of the fact that you thought that we didn't like, no, like there is a problem.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I apologize again for the, the kind of meandering here, but that is the beauty is that once people notice, just like with that crazy ex-girlfriend, once the person walks away, gets a little bit of distance, they look back and they say, what the hell was I doing? And I think that that's, what's going to happen with, with everybody as we help wake them up.
Ian MalcolmMore and more and more. We go from these rooms having four people, and I remember when that was the case, to 14, to 40, to 400, to 4,000, to 4 million, to 40% of the country, right? Little by little by little. And maybe the most beautiful piece about it, and I see that we've got Mr. Nietzsche up here, who I'm very curious for his thoughts on this.
Ian MalcolmI think he might be able to have some great words of positivity as we get ready to wind everything down.
Speaker 17Hey, Ian. If I could quickly just piggyback on the bad girlfriend. I've seen that, you know, where you've got the friend who has a really bad girlfriend. And you're like, oh, my God. And you can't tell them. You don't know how to tell them. But they finally break up. And guess what? That's when your friend really needs you.
Speaker 17So, yeah, I just wanted to say that that's a great analogy.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and they're really going to need us as they wake up to that. The craziest piece about it is just like with the crazy girlfriend. And David, again, I think this will be a fun one to hear you riff off of, right? We've been talking about, and the Goy father did an unbelievable job, David, of walking through essentially the subversion of the Catholic church.
Ian MalcolmAnd this is not saying that anyone subscribing to it is part of a subversion, right? But rather just that going all the way back to the Rothschilds with the loans, with basically the bankruptcy of the Vatican, right? with all of the ways that that played into Vatican II, how that was then used to basically inject things that were antithetical to Christianity into the doctrine, right?
Ian MalcolmLittle ways that they've just continuously subverted some of the most basic and fundamental elements of it. And the thing is, just like with that crazy ex-girlfriend, when they first are, they can't break it up. They can't get away. They're so accustomed. They've been together so long. They remember all the good times, right?
Ian MalcolmThe moment that they start to, it's very painful, right? They look back and they remember the good times. Give it a little bit of time. And like you're saying, Frank, that's when they're going to need people the most, people to reassure them. Trust me, you're walking away from the matrix. This is in your best interest.
Ian MalcolmGive it a little bit of time and you'll look back and wonder how you ever, not only were you in it, but you wanted to stay within it, just like within the toxic relationship, right? And that's what we're bringing people out of. And that's why I think that the beauty of it is once they step away, they can't ever go back.
Ian MalcolmAnd I know, David, you always talk about the Truman Show, which might be maybe a really appropriate little piece to bring in here.
Speaker 18Yeah. And, you know, you don't really have to walk away from the Matrix once you realize it's a Matrix. And half the battle, three quarters of the battle, maybe 90% of the battle is us just waking everybody up to the Matrix. And if they decide, like Cypher, that they don't care whether it's real steak or not, then that's their business because none are so blind as those who will not see.
Ian MalcolmThat's so well stated. And I just want to give David a mass amount of kudos and do so by noting that Leonardo Joni gave a lot of kudos to David and she gave a lot of kudos and I give a lot of kudos to her and She gets lots of kudos from and on and on and on. And I say that because her video was reshared by Jake Shields and a whole bunch of other people who have noticed these patterns.
Ian MalcolmThen Leonardo sees David's thing, shares that, which then gets shared by on and on and on. It happens. And I say this because the craziest piece about this is that our endeavor to try and be in opposition to this machine. The unfortunate truth is there's virtually no shekels involved. There's no shiny car. There's going to be no, you know, fame, no fortune.
Ian MalcolmYou're not going to get any pats on the back from the, the, the, let's say the social scene, right? The thing that you will get is the ability to live in the truth. And so, uh, that, that kind of ex-girlfriend that we're helping people detach themselves from, unfortunately, that's a very wealthy ex-girlfriend is maybe a good way to think about it.
Ian MalcolmRight. But when we walk away from that sickly system, It's to something which is pure, it's righteous. And the beauty is, unlike that toxic scenario that we've had in the past with this, let's say, psychotic ex-girlfriend, right? Once away and detached, we can then rebuild something that's far better in the future, right?
Ian MalcolmBut we've gotta be willing to do that for nothing other than the pursuit of a better tomorrow and the expectation that we won't get any riches, right, or glories necessarily for that. And so it's got to be done for selflessness. It's got to be done with pure interest. And the craziest part about it is the similarities of that understanding to Christ himself, right?
Ian MalcolmIt's a very Christ-like pursuit to say, I'm not going to do this for anything other than merely because it's good, because it's right, because it's righteous. So we're going to continue in that. And the unfortunate and fortunate piece about this is that as society rumbles because of this parasitic system, people have less to lose.
Ian MalcolmAnd when you have less to lose, you're more interested in standing for something merely because it's right. And so I think you're going to see as the West continues to struggle, more and more people look for an explanation as to why. They will then see that which we have been speaking about. They will recognize the accuracy of our words.
Ian MalcolmAnd because there's not a whole lot of shekels to stick with the matrix, they'll say, well, I'm going to join their cause. David, I'm curious for your thoughts on that.
Speaker 18Well, I really am enjoying the metaphor of the abusive relationship. You know, you can't really be in an abusive relationship without your own complicity. You have to participate in that. And then someone, a dear friend, a loved one, someone that really cares about you, has to remind you why you are here on earth. You are here on earth to move your soul from darkness to light.
Speaker 18You're here on earth for your own personal evolution. Whatever you give to people, whatever you have to share with other people to the betterment of their lives is going to begin with your betterment of your own soul. And it means that you have to tell yourself, I don't deserve this. Anybody who has ever been mistreated or in an abusive relationship by anyone else, they all of a sudden realize afterwards, gosh, I was gaslit.
Speaker 18Why was I putting up with that? I'm meant for greater things. You know, it reminds me of the god Hermes that went down to talk to Odysseus to coax him out of the arms of Dido saying, I'm sorry, Aeneid, not Odysseus, saying, you were meant for greater things. You were meant to accomplish greater things. You're better than this.
Speaker 18And we look back and say, gosh, I should have done that a long time ago. So it's a kind of emancipation. And that's what we're talking about now. everybody, you have to stand up and say, we don't deserve this. You know, we wish the abuser well. I don't want vision and vengeance upon anybody. I don't wish that. I just want emancipation.
Speaker 18Give them the flowers, send them on the way. Sorry, no more mass exterminations, no more miserations. I don't want your pornography. I don't want you to control our education system, try to convince our daughters to be whores and our sons to be daughters. Please just go away. And the words of the Buddha, like the shadow to the substance, like the echo to the sound, we're going to let you keep your misery to yourself because that's where it returns.
Speaker 18So it really is the abusive relationship metaphor that you're using. I just love it.
Ian MalcolmNo, and that's what in so many ways we're facing, right? And it's that crazy ex-girlfriend and just like the analogy. The more people start to wake up and start to walk away, the more system demands, please come back. We demand that you do so. And we get the news that, and David, I'm curious for your thoughts on this one.
Ian MalcolmAnd then we'll go to Donna for a question for Goyfather. The news that has come out, I saw Desi shared about this, that Marco Rubio and this idea that they've basically been going, the US government has been connecting with all of the intelligence agencies. essentially around the world, that are affixed with the United States, and have basically been setting up what appears to be a propaganda machine that's going to be primarily funneled through X, looking to use, quote-unquote, local and trusted, quote-unquote, voices to push out the propaganda machine, which feels like the ex-girlfriend is in absolute desperation mode, and just like maybe some of the...
Ian MalcolmThe better gender here, they are relying on or resorting to absolute manipulation and gaslighting at every turn and trying to do so by essentially like in the matrix, they want to use local influencers, right? Even those amongst us, if you will, to try and get inside their voices, to push out their propaganda disingenuously, just like all the people in the matrix, which can become
Ian Malcolmthe agent at any given point in time. So I'm curious on this new degree of, you know, kind of unveiling or exposing of how nefarious this intent from the current administration is when it comes to keeping everybody enslaved in the current relationship dynamic.
Speaker 18Well, don't you think that it really shows desperation? Don't you think that it really shows desperation when they're throwing the cloak off and they're saying, look, this is who we really are. All the other stuff that we pretended to be, we're not that. Whenever people change their story, whenever the lie starts being exposed, even according to them, then you know that they're in a very, very desperate moment.
Speaker 18And that means that we're winning. That means the truth is winning out.
Ian MalcolmNo, that's exactly correct. And that's the beauty, is that we absolutely are. And their madness, their scramble for control, it shows how fearful they are that we are going to win. And I just love the idea, David, that they're sitting there and it's... It's Biden or Blinken or Trump or Hegsett, all of them. They're all sitting around and in walks Alex Karp and Peter Thiel.
Ian MalcolmAnd they're like, guys, we've got a problem because in walks Larry Fink. And now they're armed with their three smartest geniuses. And they're like, guys, the AI has said the Goy are going to wake up. And there's no way to stop it.
Speaker 18Here's the problem, though. When you're caught lying. When the awakening happens, there's no take backsies. It's like you've been blowing up this trust balloon one breath at a time for a very long time. And when it pops and people lose faith in you and your credibility is destroyed, how do you start over? How do you begin establishing?
Speaker 18It's easier to be totally anonymous and get people to believe you than being an exposed, malevolent, absolutely lying piece of trash and get people to come back and say, no, no, no, no, no, I'll trust you again. It's just not going to happen. And so then where do we go? This is evolutionary. We are in a moment, and I get tired of hearing who our greatest generation is.
Speaker 18The only two greatest generations are the one that founded America, and you can speak for your own country if you wish to, and the one that is... participating in the Great Awakening now. All the ones in between are the ones who gave away our freedom. All the ones in between are the ones who participated in the lie. All the ones between us and them said, yes, okay, the left and the right, gosh, my team, the A team's got to win, the B team's got to win.
Speaker 18And now we know it's all kabuki theater. We know that it's all part of the same lie. And now, of course, once we become aware of that, They have no other game to play. It's like a magician, as you've heard me say before, who's done the trick one too many times. What do you do now when we know all your tricks?
Ian MalcolmYep. And he goes to put the hand back behind his little, his tuxedo to grab another rabbit. We're like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 9It's right there.
Ian MalcolmWe're going to watch. We're going to watch that hand. And we see your little furry friend behind you. That's not going to work. Yeah.
Speaker 18And by the way, don't drop that card out of your sleeve. It's slipping out. Put it back in there, okay? Now go ahead, child. I'll just indulge you. I'll pretend that I don't know the trick, okay? Just do it again.
Ian MalcolmYeah, he's got the card falling out of one pocket, the coins falling out of the other. He's scrambling to pick them up. Oh, man. I have a feeling that this magician probably looks a little bit like CEO, like his profile picture down there with... Oy vey! Oy vey, the magician says. All right, let's go to... Let's check in with Mr. Funk and Donna and Doc Holliday and make sure that we get these final questions for Goyfather if we can.
Speaker 1Quick questions. If it's input, leave the input until I'm gone, people. Yeah, be super quick, mate. Go on. Go ahead, Matt.
Speaker 19Sorry. Hey, Goyfather. I just wanted to say g'day and really good to hear your voice again. Good to see you back up here. I just wanted to give you some words of encouragement, mate, because you, man, you speak so well and you are so not deceptive. You make it very clear where you stand and you come with annotations to everything.
Speaker 19So that much I extremely appreciate. Now, my question is to you, sir. Has there been any examples of attempts or happenings where Judaism has tried to infiltrate Orthodox doctrine.
Speaker 1Yeah, under the Soviets, it wasn't really Jewish infiltration in the same way where they tried to draft up documents, etc. They were more appeasing to the Jews. But yeah, there was a period of time where the Soviets had control over the Russian Orthodox Church. Especially Sergius. You can research about him. But it wasn't really a Jewish infiltration.
Speaker 1There was some Masonic issues where Sergius himself was venerating statues of Freemasons and stuff. But he is condemned by the church today. So any type of infiltration seems to have been weeded out and backpedaled. so we seem to be free from it you know still priests and stuff who uh seem a bit out of touch but you know no dogmatic statements or documents awesome one thing that i got because i listened to uh probably about 95 of of your um presentation today and one thing that i learned most of all that i think
Speaker 19everybody should take away from this is acknowledging the problem and making a plan how to deal with the problem. And obviously, you know, that's actually the key takeaways, I think, from today. So, Ian, another banger, mate. Goyfather, good to see you back in the game. And Joanne, the hostess with the mostess, all of you, love you all.
Speaker 19Take care. Get off zero. Everyone, get off the air.
Ian MalcolmI was going to not let you leave that out, Funk. That is the calling card of the one and only Funky Fresh. But let's go to Donna for a final question for Goyfather, and then we're going to go to Mr. Nietzsche again for some parting words here on essentially how we're going to continue winning going forward.
@donnaleistThank you, Ian. Before I ask Goyfather my question, I just wanted to say that for CEO, in the purple pill, I put some information about who you might reach out to or listen to or follow as far as Catholic contacts, okay? And then the second thing I wanted to say is if anybody looking at Marco Rubio, when he first came to the podium and said, we didn't have a choice,
@donnaleistIsrael struck Iran, and we had people within firing range of Iran, and then it got walked back. Okay? So, just the look on his face when he said it, and then the fact that they were pressured, him and Trump were both pressured to walk it back and say, no, it was a joint effort. Tells you a lot. I mean, he came out and told the truth, and then he was made to walk it back.
@donnaleistAnd then the third thing I was going to say is, yes, good father, somebody did ask you this right before I had my hand up, I was waiting, about how Stalin used the Orthodox Church to rally the Russian people to fight against Germany. He actually took over the... Ukrainian Catholic Church, and forced it to join the Russian Orthodox Church.
@donnaleistSo that kind of brings us to today, right? Because there's a Ukrainian Orthodox Church, and there's a Ukrainian church that's Orthodox. There's two of them, which Zelensky is going after them anyway, because he's just... evil. Don't do it. Donna, you're mistaken.
@__confederate__Donna, you're mistaken about the Ukraine and the churches there. Be careful what you say or ask if you don't know.
@donnaleistThere's two Ukrainian churches. One Zelensky was okay with and the other one he wasn't.
@__confederate__No, Donna, listen.
@donnaleistI don't want to argue. I want to get to my next point, please.
@__confederate__No one's arguing. We're just informing you, you understand? Because it's got nothing to do with what's happening today.
@donnaleistI would like to get to my final point.
Speaker 1I wanted to question if you have one. If not, you know...
@donnaleistThe thing is, do you agree that regardless of which denomination, whether you're Orthodox... whether you're Catholic, whether you're a Presbyterian, Christianity has a target on it. And we all have to just stay true to our faith because we all have a target on us. And I was going to ask you, do you feel that that's true?
@donnaleistIt's not, I mean, like, I'm not going to sit here and cry and go, oh, it's just the Catholics.
Speaker 18Who is my friend that's putting that target on us? Help me out with that one.
@donnaleistIt's the Jews. They're doing it to the Muslims, too. But what I'm trying to say is it's not just the Catholic Church. I mean, they're geofencing the Protestant churches in America and not just the evangelicals. They're doing it to reform Christians, too. And so it's like. And the Orthodox have been through shit in the past, and Zelensky's putting them through shit today.
@donnaleistSo it's like we all have to just stay strong in our faith. That's my advice, and I wanted to ask my father if he agreed.
Speaker 1Yeah, I agree. Jews hate Christians in general. They have specific targets, but yeah, they hate Christians in general. All right. Lovely questions, guys. Lovely questions. Appreciate everyone. Go ahead, Father.
Speaker 5Before you go, you know that there's an invitation. You know there's still an invitation for you to create something for JP2 when we get that back on track. Last question for you, and I'm going to head out as well. I think I DM'd you this, but I just wanted to jump in real quick and ask, besides Heschel, Rabbi Heschel, who else would you say, because I had stepped away, had an oversized impact on Nostra Aetate?
Speaker 1Okay, so... He had names, essentially. Yeah, in terms of non-Catholic Jews, Nahum Goldman, and it was Jules Isaac as well. He's the main catalyst. Those non-Catholic Jews who were on the WJC, the World Jewish Congress. And then converts, Gregory Baum was a big one, John M. Ostrich,
Speaker 1Who else am I missing? Bruno Hussar. Wasn't as big, but he was still involved. I'm probably missing a couple here and there, but I'll send you the rest in DMs. I'll send you the rest in DMs, and I'll be making a sub stack on it, so it'll be all on there.
Speaker 5Perfect. Thank you. No problem. Appreciate you, man.
Ian MalcolmNo, and speaking of appreciation, so Goy, on behalf of everybody in here, we appreciate you. We appreciate the expertise, the knowledge, and the delivery, right? The way in which you brought this in. And for anybody who was not here, this was a masterclass. And it's rare that I can kind of take my hands off the wheel and just sit back and learn and be educated.
Ian MalcolmAnd Goy, Father, that was... spectacular. You went through literally centuries worth of history in a very, it was concise in some ways, but extremely thorough in the other. And the way that you did it was just marvelous. And so when I hear people suggest that there's no, let's say, entanglement here between Jewish interests and the Catholic Church or Christianity in general, right?
Ian MalcolmYou did a wonderful job, not only showcasing that, showcasing the Rothschilds and their involvement directly financially with the Vatican, The buildup that ultimately led to that, I suppose you could call it a bailout, right? And the repercussions that it had for both the French, for Napoleon, how he was both a hero to and antagonistic of the Jews.
Ian MalcolmWhat a curious situation. And that he, just like John Adams, came to this conclusion that maybe there's a world to merge these things together. And then perhaps the reality that he saw bear out when he tried to do so was unfortunately
Ian Malcolmit suggests that that might not be the case. And we're seeing the consequences of that, even our lived experiences today. But with that being said, Goy, Father, any final words here? And then we're going to go to an intellectual prayer, if we can call such, from David Nietzsche. And I see Doc Holliday has his hands up, so we'll go to a quick question for him as well.
Ian MalcolmBut anything you want to say before you jump out, Goy?
Speaker 1Yeah, so God bless everyone, everyone who came and listened, shared and whatnot. First space back in a while. If you missed the earlier stuff, I'm pretty sure this is a recorded space anyway, so you should be able to see it. But I will be making a Substack article on pretty much everything we went through. It'll probably be longer because I missed out.
Speaker 1Not missed out, but I didn't go fully in detail with all the different oppositions to Vatican II specifically. So the article will probably be longer, probably be out next week since there's a lot to do. But I'll post that when it's up. Apart from that, follow me and whatnot.
Speaker 18Hey, Paul, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1Go ahead.
Speaker 18Have you read City of God or Confessions by St. Augustine?
Speaker 1I'm reading Confessions at the moment. It's on my reading list. It's a good read.
Speaker 18Well, I want to tell everybody else, irrespective of whether you're Catholic or not, that these are foundational to Western civilization, and they are absolute masterpieces. So it's just in top of mind because Paul Pastora and I were interacting with it. I had asked him that question, I think, through posting yesterday or the day before, and so I recommended it to everybody in the room.
Speaker 18And there's so much beauty in... and wisdom and these ancient texts. So I wanted to put in a word there.
@malleusigCould you repeat those titles again, David, so I can look them up?
Speaker 18The City of God. So St. Augustine of Hippa was known for it, and he was foundational to Christianity and Catholicism too. And his two great masterpieces are Confessions, which he's reading now, which kind of gives you his journey from where he was to his enlightenment, and then City of God. So these are two great masterpieces.
Speaker 18And I mean, I put them up there with the dialogues of Plato and some other foundational works to Western civilization.
Speaker 1I agree. Everyone should read up on St. Augustine. He's a doctor of the Catholic Church, one of the most important theologians, especially in the West, but also in the Eastern churches. And definitely important to Western civilization.
Speaker 18I heard an apocryphal story about St. Augustine pacing up and down on the beach, pondering the depths and meaning of life. And a little boy comes up to him and he says, sir, can you tell me how to scoop the ocean with this cup? And he repeats himself. St. Augustine tries to ignore him. And then finally, perturbed, he says to the little boy,
Speaker 18That's absurd. You cannot scoop the ocean with a cup. It's far too big. And the little boy throws away the cup and runs and jumps in the ocean. And of course, the metaphor here is that, you know, you have to immerse yourself in your spirituality. It's not enough just to be sort of an armchair, sidelined person trying to intellectualize it all.
Speaker 18So I love that story.
Speaker 1Great points, great points. All right, well, I'm going to head out, guys. Close to 7am in the morning. Late one as usual, but you know, American audience, we have to cater towards them. God bless everyone. Ian, Joanne, everybody else in the speakers. Thank you for having me, guys. I'll maybe see you on another space if we decide on a topic and whatnot.
Ian MalcolmGod bless, my friend, and I'll be looking forward to that, and any time, any place, anywhere, Goy, we will always be up for that. I know that we had a hand up from the incomparable Doc Holliday, so I want to check in with him, and then we'll go back to Mr. Nietzsche for kind of a prayer and some positivity and affirmations as we head out for the space.
@__confederate__All good, Ian. Thank you very much. I just put my hand up because I've got a suggestion for you, Ian, you know, in the future. You've had the Goy father, like, you know, you returned, you brought him back to spaces. You know, he's very, very knowledgeable, et cetera, et cetera. More than a week ago, you had that Ben pastor.
@__confederate__And if there's someone out there, like, you know, that you would recommend from the Roman Catholic sphere or the Roman Catholic, like, area of Christianity, if you would get them on a space, And you get those three people to discuss, you know, how we came about because primarily it was sadly it came through like it's a branch from Western Christianity or that part of the world of the Christian faith, how we got to Christian Zionism, the evangelicals, et cetera, et cetera.
@__confederate__Maybe with a band pastor, the Goy father, and a person from Roman Catholicism having an open and frank discussion, and that could lead us to, more clearly identify the crux of the problem and the situation the world finds itself in in 2026. Just a suggestion, Ian. That's all. I return the mic. Thank you.
Ian MalcolmNo, I love that suggestion, my friend. I think perhaps Honey Badger might be a good voice for that. I know she's very, not only religious, but kind of wears that on her sleeve. So I will check in with her, see if she would be open for that. And it's curious because, For anybody that perceived this as the case, I want to be very clear cut.
Ian MalcolmThere was no interest or attempt to undermine or to attack any aspect of Christianity in this space. We were discussing how Jewish influence came in and basically got their hooks into not only the Vatican through the financial manipulation and through loans via the Rothschilds, but a weird... name that keeps popping up throughout almost all of these, but also via Vatican II.
Ian MalcolmAnd essentially undermining, there's no other word for it, it's a subversive effort to basically reconstruct the Catholic understanding of the death of Christ. Who was responsible for it? And according to Vatican II, it's the Romans. And yet for virtually 1900 plus years prior, it was the Jews. And we now understand and we heard and we learned from Goyfather the exact people that were involved in that, the Jews that had a hand in it, the way in which they were able to essentially weasel their way into the room.
Ian MalcolmAnd then we had from Rabbi Mallius the wonderful question, has there ever been another time where a religion has basically been coerced to change some of its most foundational doctrine to appease the feelings of another religion? That was a really good way of putting it. And it is baffling that that's actually what basically happened.
Ian MalcolmAnd in doing so, they rewrote that understanding. And so I remember I asked the Goy father the question, what would be the perception of essentially a modern Catholic if you went back and took them two or 300 years ago? And Goy father's response was that they'd basically be viewed as heretics because the understanding today is that at odds with what once was.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's not an attack on anybody, right? That's no different than saying that our society has been undermined by somebody and a certain set of interests. It doesn't mean that our society is inherently bad. It means it's been corrupted, right? That's the whole concept of being subverted. And so I want to make sure that there's no offense taken.
Ian MalcolmIf there is, I want to apologize. It certainly wasn't the intent, but rather discuss that undermining effort. And with that being said, So two things, first and foremost, I want to announce that Mr. Truth Teller just opened his room just a moment ago. So he's going to be a wonderful landing place as we close this down for individuals to hop into his space.
Ian MalcolmI'd put it into the purple pill, but I think everybody's familiar with his handle at this point. Thank goodness. But with that being said, I also, I want to thank, and I'll actually, I'll say three things. I want to thank everybody, the Goy father, especially Joanne for being in here as she always is. She is the most, gracious of co-hosts.
Ian MalcolmAnd I just am always so, so, so thankful and honored that she's with us. But to all the speakers, Rabbi Malleus, that was a wonderful set of questions that you asked, along with everybody else that came through here, Doc Holliday, Donna, so many wonderful voices. And so I want to thank everybody. If you were a listener, you were a speaker, you were adding to the purple pill, whatever your involvement was, if you're here, you're with us, you're trying to learn, you're trying to grow, trying to make the most of every day, then you are a hero.
Ian Malcolmin whatever small way we are able to be heroes kind of jointly, right? So let's continue being heroic as a unit. Let's continue trying to be as heroic as we can as individuals. If we all do that together, we will inevitably win. And with that being said, I want to turn things over to Mr. David Nietzsche for any final remarks or comments that he might have on this subversion and perhaps the victory that is going to be our relinquishing of the grasp of that subversive force.
Speaker 18Absolutely, my friend. And anybody that's not following Ian Malcolm or Rabbi, please do. You're doing yourself a disservice if you don't. Just wonderful speakers, very thoughtful people. And I will say, we are going to win. It is inevitable because in the long stretch of time, as I keep saying, the truth wins out. So my recommendation is the way that you comport yourself.
Speaker 18Be your own hero. Think about what you admire, what is heroic, and then be that. You know, heroic people are long-suffering. They endure the calumny of evil men. And of course, there's never been a time, there's never been without exception, where people that were fighting for the weak, for the innocent, for the people unjustly persecuted, had to endure from the powerful this kind of the insults and the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and insults.
Speaker 18So I highly recommend everybody just to think, what is heroic? You know, Heroic people throughout history, the greatest ones, were heroic in favor of their loves, not their hatreds. You know, that's why I really can never, ever, ever think of myself as calling for vengeance or wanting to get someone back. I just think, gosh, if I'm standing at Heaven's Gate, I want to be able to see the little child from Gaza whom I defended, at least speaking, at least with my voice.
Speaker 18However little that was compared to people who paid a much higher price, I want that child to look up at me and say, you were on the right side. Thank you. So be your own hero. Think heroically. And because we're talking about Catholicism, I want to transcend that to other faiths, to other faiths where they all share this idea of brotherhood and sisterhood, the idea that as long as we increase our human solidarity, that we cannot be defeated.
Speaker 18Even the Pope himself, spoke out for peace just recently. And I say, yes, if blessed are the peacemakers, then doesn't it naturally follow that cursed are the war mongers? And it's not just him. You know, when you think, oh gosh, they're telling us that Muslims are not our brothers and sisters. I'll recount to you tables 82, not a Muslim, by the way, tables 82 in the Quran, where it says strongest among men in hatred, you'll find
Speaker 18the Jews and pagans and nearest among them in love to us, you'll find those who say we are Christians because among these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world and they are not arrogant. Now, just imagine in a paragraph in an entirely different religion, it says, gosh, these people have kindness and goodness.
Speaker 18Like recognizes like. Game sees game. And the people that are inspired by their love, by their passion, and by their courage to speak up for it are always going to win. If there's no honor among thieves and liars and murderers, there certainly is no honor among the people that we're faced against. And of course, John Adams was right.
Speaker 18You know, the thing that allows you to be emancipated and live freely is your moral courage, which is why people wish to demoralize you because they know. that the moment that you stand up, dust yourself off, throw the shackles off and say, no, no, no, we refuse to be immiserated. We're going to emancipate ourselves and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 18They know the jig is up. The game is over and the matrix absolutely evaporates. So I just want to leave everybody with that. We're going to win. So just make sure you're participating. Make sure that you take that. Remember, as Aristotle said, pride is... The pride is the crowning virtue, he called it, because it's the psychological payoff for practicing the other ones.
Speaker 18Well, what are those other ones? Those other ones are courage and kindness and equanimity and standing up for the defenseless and speaking up for the children and being anti-war against the warmongers. So absolutely, make sure you look back 10, 15 years when we have won because we're going to win and you say, yes, I was part of that wonderful, romantic,
Speaker 18battle, and I was on the right side of history.
Ian MalcolmAs always, David, I'm just floored by your ability to weave this web that is just so brilliant and so wonderfully delivered. And that term that you used in there, my friend, romantic, I think it really is. And I get kind of chills when I think back to various either pieces of this struggle that we're in or certain pieces of literature or of art.
Ian Malcolmartistic expression. And I think of the idea of, in some ways, the Dead Poets Society, which is, of course, a very dramatic movie, and it's got some very sad elements to it, but it's also got some very romantic ones. The idea that things should be done because they're beautiful, right? Robin Williams' character in that film just resonates in so many layers and levels, trying to instill in those young men this idea that they should be doing something spectacular in
Ian MalcolmHe says, and that's what we are doing. We are doing something that is going to be brilliant. It will be remembered for the ages and perhaps not us as individuals, but if we're not doing this for our ego or for vanity, we're doing it so that those that follow will be able to look back on those that spoke the truth in the face of mass censorship, mass oppression, mass propaganda, and perhaps in doing so that we save the world.
Ian MalcolmAnd I know that that sounds hyperbolic. but that's actually what we are going to do. Because if we don't, then the totalitarian enslavement of the mind, the body, and the souls of those that will follow will be utterly terrifying. We will not be able to comprehend the magnitude of it. And so we've got to speak while we can before they cut out the digital tongues of all those that would otherwise follow, right?
Ian MalcolmSo let's keep this up. Let's keep understanding. The things that we love, the nation, the governments, the technology companies, the media, right? We can find entertainment in dead poet society, but recognize that a lot of the media is very subversive and the politicians are subverted. And in many ways, so are a lot of these religious elements, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so as a result, we need to be able to look at them. We need to be able to say, no, we are not going to accept that. I'm sorry. I don't care what Vatican II says. The Jews killed Christ. You know how I know that? Because I can go into the New Testament and I can read when they say, let his blood forever be on our hands and that of our children and their children forevermore.
Ian MalcolmSounds kind of like it was their doing, right? We need to be able to say that with conviction and not allow these silly lies to trick or to fool or deceive us any longer. A lot of love. to everybody that is part of this mission, that is part of this journey, to the Goy father for being in here masterfully walking through this for almost five hours.
Ian MalcolmAnd I just want to say, you know, any of the commentary on these spaces, if you're finding them productive, I just want to call out. It's not because of me. I am just a conductor on a train. But the thing that is powering this, the locomotive is all of us. It's all the brilliance that different speakers bring with their different perspectives, their different understandings, their different expertise, right?
Ian MalcolmWe have all these things come together. And then it's very, very easy when you've got that kind of brilliance, that incredible motor, like in this case, the Goy father, to be able to walk through this history. I'm just sitting back and we can all do that is the reason that I share it. We can all play that part, whatever it might be, to be a piece of this big machine, right?
Ian MalcolmWe don't need the spotlight. We don't need the limelight. We don't need the monetization or the shekels or the vanity or the hedonism. We just need to pursue the truth. Like David was saying, there's something really beautiful in that. And as we get there, we will find that more beautiful tomorrow. And so with lots of love, I want to say good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world, Mr. Goyfather.
Ian MalcolmI think you said it was 7 a.m. your time. So good morning and good night, whichever it is that you are doing. But thank you for the love, the time that you put into this, especially given the changes in time zone that are rather difficult for somebody where you are, right? But he's putting that forward for all of the listeners, for all of you, whether you're in here right now, listening to a future recording, right?
Ian MalcolmThese are the things that are spectacular. People going out of their way to go above and beyond to try and make the world a better place. So a good night or a good morning to him, whichever the ways that he is going to take that. But certainly God bless for everything that he is. God bless for everything that you are. God bless all of us on our adventure.
Ian MalcolmAnd Godspeed that we get to that better tomorrow as expeditiously as we can. And that we do so with very pragmatic, very carefully determined steps that are righteous, that are romantic. And they're spectacular. So lots of love to everybody. We will see you in the next conversation. And until then, I hope you all have the most splendid of days.