Race War: Are Whites Uniquely Gifted: With @malleusIG & @IQviaJQ2

2:44Ian MalcolmSo hopefully we've got all our speakers up here. I hope everybody, and I like that as a way to, to kick these off, right? Now we get to play Name That Tune with Joanne. We'll get to test her skills, and it also gives a minute or two or three for people to trickle on in for the conversation that we're gonna be having here. So Joanne, I've gotta ask, not only can you name the artist and the song, and the reason for the song's use in- In the space, but also can you name the movie which prominently featured that song that actually is really appropriate given the conversation we're about to have? So let, let's see which pieces of the puzzle you might be able to put together.↗

3:29@joann_marieOkay. Thank you so much for hosting, Ian and Ravi and Amir. Thank you so much. This is going to get so spicy. And I probably won't understand what, what is even happening like the last time Ian was trans- Translating to me in the DM, so maybe that's also gonna happen today. And the song, I have no idea who sings it and on the name, but I know the movie, and it's Thor, and it's because Thor is super white and he's awesome. So, that's, that's, that's,↗

4:00Ian Malcolmthat's a Thor is super white. I love the, the con. And it's interesting, right? Chris Hemsworth. May be very prototypical of the, the phenotype that we're gonna be discussing here, despite being, if I'm not mistaken, Australian, right? But, but obviously about the Norse gods, about the, let's say the northernmost, Europeans, which we are certainly gonna be covering the genetic aspect. The song, though! So yes, from Thor. it's entitled "The Immigrant Song." Come from the land of ice and snow, which obviously- Talking about the Northern Europeans, right? And, obviously by Led Zeppelin, which, I'm sure lots of people in here, well, hopefully lots of people in here enjoy, really wonderful music. and, and maybe one of these days we'll have to do a, a space on some of the, let's say the, the classic rock super-sensations, which they certainly were. but nonetheless, so speaking of spicy, this one might get exactly that, but I wanna call out a couple things in advance. First and foremost, while it Might be spicy and dicey, it's gonna be between two individuals that both, not only do I have a lot of respect for, but I know have a lot of respect for one another. And so this should be really entertaining in the best of ways. I think, very few are as intell-intelligent and also witty as, as Rabbi Malious, and perhaps, few bring as interesting and unique takes as Amiru. So the two of them sparring this out will be very good. I also made the recommendation to both that, But while they can certainly just duke it out as a slugfest, the two of them, we'll think of it as Thor versus, Iron Man, I suppose, that they were welcome to bring a cast of characters if they wanted to have additional voices that see the world the way that they do. I think this was also mentioned to a couple individuals that we'll see if they do come through, and, if so, we'll certainly have a round robin with lots of different opinions. In terms of the what they will be debating, and they're welcome to kind of reset if I'm mis Spa that they had that set the stage for this, debate, in which basically they were going through if there was something unique to the, let's say, to the, the Northern Europeans, to the Aryan people, is there something in European whites that is uniquely gifted for certain things like, for example, creativity? Right? And if so, where does that come from? Is it some kind of divine spark that is unique to those people? Is it something that's learned? Is it genetic? Is it culture, et cetera? And so the, the debate here is, and I wanna be very specific. The debate isn't saying that any one group are better than, than another, right? Because that is always going to be a subjective term. Is a, Ferrari sports car better than a Ford F-150 pickup truck? And if it's for a racetrack, sure. If it's for towing a boat? Well, obviously not, right? And so my point is to say that there's lots of pros and cons of lots of different people, but what we're gonna be discussing is are things perhaps like IQ, like creativity, the idea of high trust societies, all of these things that I would happily attribute to, for example, the, the European people. I think they obviously embody a lot of those behaviors. but in that last space, they were also talking about how the Japanese, right? They also manifested a lot of very similar, not only intellect, but also very high High trust societies. Now, we could make debates perhaps around creativity and were they creative in different ways and all those kind of things, but again, not a discussion to say any one group is better than another, but rather just to note some of the differences, to try and debate maybe the reasoning for some of those differences if we decide that they exist, and in a good spirited fashion that's trying to stimulate the mind rather than undercut one another with dumb slurs that you might typically hear in other debates and conversations. So with that, I wanna turn it over first and foremost to Joanne, the co-hostess with the mostess, and then what I'd love to do is to just have Rabbi and, and, Amiru kind of debate whether or not I properly formed the debate in terms of setting the stage for everybody, and if they wanna kind of tweak any of those parameters, we'll feel free to, and then we'll start to go into their, their theses.↗

8:22@joann_marieThank you so much, Ian. And guys, please repost this space, and if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And of course, follow Ian and Rabbi and Amirul, who got his account nuked and, and spawned once more. So, yeah, I'm just really happy to be here, and go for it, Rabbi.↗

8:42@malleusigThanks, Juan. yeah, I just wanted to say that, that is one of my favorite songs, in that context, in Thor Ragnarok. Not just because it's a good movie, because it's probably Taika Waititi's last decent movie before he went into his kind of like Adam Sandler death spiral, after he became really popular. it is a solid, it's one of my favorite Marvel movies, and I think it would have been much, much better if they had kept the big, reveal with the Hulk out of the damn trailers. That would have been an absolutely incredible cinematic moment,↗

9:20@malleusigthat's one of the, the biggest reveals I think in modern, in recent, motion picture history, and, they, they fucked it up by putting it into the trailer, I think it's, it was a huge disservice. But anyway, yeah, so this, so my, my take-- I'll just start by telling you my basic thesis on this. My, my basic thesis may surprise you. My basic thesis is that it's not even a debate at this point.↗

9:45@malleusigthe talents of whites are obvious and overwhelming currently, historically.↗

9:53@malleusigMy main concern now is simply preserving and maximizing for the benefit of humanity, because there is a, a huge array of, of forces, attempting to erase them, to erase the benefits of European innovation from, from the face of the earth, subjugate them, and, I don't think the Earth is gonna be a nice place to live without it.↗

10:20@malleusigyou, you basically have got a bunch of people that are looking to maximize profit, because maybe they've decided that we have had enough innovation, we don't, the human race doesn't need anymore because we don't want people to develop much further because then they'll slip out of our control grid or whatever. We won't be able to profit off of them as easily anymore.↗

10:41@malleusigthey'll innovate too much, become too smart, they'll accidentally eat the tree of the-- eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, kind of a thing, right? but then on the other side, you have, non-whites that are, really motivated to go along with that story because they think when the whites step down Or are forced to step down, it's gonna be their turn, and these people tend to have this kind of like magical Earth theory of intelligence and innovation, once the whites stop hogging all of the scientific progress, they're gonna get their turn And my assertion or my challenge to that is simply, you know, scientific progress isn't something that can be cornered or hogged. It's either you display it and demonstrate or you don't, and if you haven't demonstrated it to date,↗

11:33@malleusigI don't think there's a lot of-- I don't have a lot of confidence in you demonstrating it after the whites have stopped doing it. It's not like we're, we're sucking all of it up and denying you access to it. So, That's my basic thesis. We can get into, we can get into the, the evidence for my beliefs, definitely, which I think are pretty firm,↗

11:58@malleusigand then, we can get into the usual arguments against it, which in my experience tend to be emotionally based. They tend to be, mainly diversion tactics that kind of bring people's attention off of the main assertion. Well Yeah, so whites do better in IQ tests, but how important is IQ anyway? Right? How, it isn't real.↗

12:23@malleusigwhite people made the tests. All right, these aren't arguments. These are arguments that really don't-- they don't advance the opposite side of the debate. They don't give any evidence as to why my side of the debate is wrong. they simply cloud the discussion a-and make it more difficult to kind of like see the truth.↗

12:45@malleusigSo I guess I'll, I'll end there, and that'll be my opening remarks, and then we'll go to Mirror.↗

12:50Speaker 1Thanks, Rabbi, and thanks, Ian and Jemaine, for hosting this space and inviting me. I've been preparing for a serious race debate, for a couple of years now because I'm very interested in reducing racial tensions in America and solving racial problems in general. because I, I was under the impression that America was a country that overcame racism.↗

13:12Speaker 1And I was upset with the human race as I always am, because they always, fail you. But what I think, I think we did is we rushed into thinking we solved the racial problem. And so I think it's just time for us to listen to each other and speak logically, not emotionally, even though our emotions will inform us because we have loved ones and we don't want war and, et cetera.↗

13:37Speaker 1Let's just, I hope to be one of those logical voices that you contend with, Rabbi, and I think I will be.↗

13:46Speaker 1And I'll tell you- And I wanna add one more- Yes, please go ahead.↗

13:49Ian MalcolmNo, I was just gonna say, I, I, I don't think that you two gentlemen could have better set the table. Right? There's a lot of people that, probably assume they're walking into the OK corral, it's gonna be a gunfight, and instead, both of you coming from a position that is, let's be very level-headed And what it is that we are trying to protect and to preserve, and we basically saw Rabbi making a case that, hey, maybe there's something that's uniquely beneficial, and if there is a genetic predisposition to serve, let's say, as an engine for humanity that's driving it in a positive force, in direction, it's a good thing to preserve. And then, sure enough, Amiru is saying, "I, I wanna make sure that we have lowering tensions so that the human race can be a happier, healthier people, right? How do, how do we mitigate some of those them, maybe appreciate everybody for them. And, and so I just say that 'cause again, you know, what, while they might have differing views on some of these subjects, and they'll, they'll unpack this scientifically and also probably with kind of a social lens, this is all for making the world better. And, that's what I love about a lot of the spaces that we do, it's trying to figure out what is wrong and the ills of the world so that we can then try to reverse those. And so, just Joanne, I don't know about you↗

15:05@joann_marieYes, I love it, and, and you guys are so wholesome, my goodness. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I love it.↗

15:10@malleusigYeah, I gotta, I wanna reiterate, if you came in here looking for a Waffle House, this isn't your space. This is where-- This isn't going to be, this is your first night in Waffle House, so you have to fight. This is not it. this↗

15:22Speaker 1isn't Black Friday at Walmart.↗

15:24@malleusigThis isn't Black Friday at Walmart, exactly. Right? So, tuck in, get a, get Put on the, the classical music, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun, I like all that, and, we're gonna have at it. So, maybe the best way to structure this is I can, I can offer up, an assertion, and then Amir can give his take on, and then he can offer up an assertion, I give my take on that, and we can kinda go back and forth, take turns. What do you think, Amir?↗

15:58@malleusigSounds good to me. Fantastic. All right. and before I start, I wanna remark on, on your comment about, you thinking that America overcame racism. America did overcome racism. The problem was blacks brought it back into fashion. and that's something that isn't discussed as much as it should be, unfortunately. in the '80s and '90s, we were very firmly in a post-racial America. and then with the, rise of CRT,↗

16:28@malleusigIn the ra- in the increase of this kind of content in social media and the leveraging of the black woman's ability to memorize long tracks of, communist, sayings to repeat over and over again ad infinitum, we saw racism come back big time, and unfortunately it came back at the hands of the black community this time, not the whites, which was a big disappointment for me. But,↗

16:56@malleusigso my assertion will be this, let's start off with the, the big target, the bell curve. Alright? So Charles Murray produced in the '90s, he produced a, fairly groundbreaking work of, literature, work of research called the bell curve. In which, he argued that IQ follows a, a normal distribution, and in chapter thirteen of that book, he went over how the, the bell curve that you look at in, basically white America, right? How it, overlays over the bell curve that's created by black America. And↗

17:37@malleusigwhen you look at the two curves overlaying each other, you see that the Black American bell curve occupies, the far end to the left, which is where the low numbers are, unfortunately. and you find that it has an average, right, the middle of the distribution is right around eighty-three, eighty-five. If you look at the, the White bell curve, you find that the middle of this distribution is around one hundred, one hundred and three. This puts the Black average IQ↗

18:07@malleusigroughly one standard deviation lower than the white average IQ, meaning around a difference of about 15 points. Okay. can you, Amira, can you find any fault, in his work, and this specifically?↗

18:28Speaker 1yes, I can, and I don't think you're gonna like my answers. Go ahead. But, I promise I'm speaking in good faith. I reject IQ tests altogether, in terms of scientific measurements of i- of intelligence, as in, you're assigning a number to intelligence like you're using a tape measure to measure how tall somebody is. And you use a tape measure, it's always gonna be the, the same number. But with IQ tests- There's varying numbers that you'll get based on when you give the test to that person.↗

18:59Speaker 1so I don't think they are valid measurements. They're like a Myers-Briggs test, maybe more advanced nowadays, but I just don't look at it as scientific fact, if that makes sense. And I have reasoning behind it if you're, if you're curious. Alright.↗

19:15@malleusigNow, if you don't think that IQ tests are valid measurements... How do you explain the fact that we see consistent racial disparities among them? So if they're not measuring IQ, what are they measuring?↗

19:30Speaker 1That is the question. I think they could potentially measure IQ if they had all the prerequisites, such as language proficiency. If you, give an IQ test to someone who's not educated and doesn't even speak a language, you're probably gonna get a very low score, That, you know, someone without language would basically be very primitive. So depending on how much language is integrated and language proficiency is acquired, that can vary the results of IQ tests. So that alone shows variability. Now, high IQ tests are consistent, and I'm sure, you know, if you get straight A's all the time, even though it's a rough estimate, you kinda get the gist of it, and I would give it that, if it weren't for these prerequisites, I'd feel like IQ tests don't take very seriously.↗

20:19@malleusigOkay, now you aren't gonna like my response to this. I am going to ask you, "Have you ever taken an IQ test?"↗

20:27Speaker 1"Yes, but it was an online one. It gave me 115."↗

20:30@malleusigOkay, alright. Now, in that IQ test that you took online, and I have no idea what the quality or the person in control of that, how much of it was based on language?↗

20:45Speaker 1I would say by definition it's based on language because you have to read the questions.↗

20:49@malleusigHow much of- Okay. This isn't not off we're not off to a good start. Alright, assuming you had someone to read the instructions to you or to read the questions to you, right? And you're not so monumentally low in the IQ scale that you can't read the instructions. the questions themselves, right? How much, how much were-- how much would the correct answer to those questions rely on your mastery of English language?↗

21:19Speaker 1It depends, because if you think with words in your head about the problem, you're gonna be using language as well.↗

21:25@malleusigOkay, no, hold on a second. Okay. Alright. So, alright, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna cut to the chase here. So, Amir, if you've ever taken an actual IQ test, what you'll find is that the IQ tests typically deal with shape manipulation. Alright? Language is required to read the instructions, sure, but if you have a proctor with you to explain them, and, and most places where they do,↗

21:47@malleusigYou know, IQ tests with people that don't speak English, for example, or don't have a written language, places in the parts of Africa, for example, they typically have someone there to explain the test to you and then give you instructions verbally, right? So that's, we can just cross that out, that's not a factor. when you take an IQ test, you are going to be given,↗

22:10@malleusigfor example, a series of, of diagrams. For example, the easiest one described is have a circle that has a dot in one side of it, and then you have a square that has a dot in one corner. And you're gonna be told that the circle rotates, one quarter turn, at clockwise, and the square rotates one quarter turn anti-clockwise every turn. And then it'll ask you, okay, in two- Turns or three turns where the dots, and then you have to select the correct arrangement of the dots. There's no language in this problem at all. This is just manipulating shapes in your head, and this is typically what IQ tests measure. They don't measure your ability to calculate the capital gains tax on your father's yacht. They measure your ability to hold an abstract shape or an abstract image in your head and manipulate it in mental space. Okay, that's the goal with IQ tests. Now, nothing about this kind of problem makes it inaccessible to people that are lower educated. You don't require education to manipulate shapes in your head, all right? You require an education to do things like, read Greek, right? Or tell me how many, how many chapters there were in Homer's Odyssey, right? Things like that. Well, you need the information beforehand. This is A different kind of mental ability than what IQ tests measure. The tests don't measure-- they don't measure how much information you've managed to store in your hard drive up to the current day. What they measure is your CPU's ability to manipulate data. Does that make sense?↗

23:49Speaker 1It does make sense, but I think you're underestimating the role of language when the whole instruction is given. You said if they can't read, well, someone will explain it to them. When they explain it to them, they're going to use language. I'm trying to tell you, if someone had no education whatsoever, so they're like a primitive Caveman type person, no language, no education. That's, I'm, that's what I'm saying. Like that's how essential language proficiency is for normal human functioning.↗

24:19@malleusigOkay, I'm going to, I'm gonna ask, yeah, very quick question. What percentage of the human race exists in such a state that they have never developed? Even a spoken language.↗

24:47@malleusigLet's see what it says.↗

24:51@malleusigIt's challenging to find exact percentage, however, there are approximately seven thousand distinct languages spoken by humans worldwide. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's research. Okay, so AI is telling me that we can't provide an exact percentage. Okay, but let's ask you guys, how many, how many people or percentage of the human population do you think has never evolved even a spoken language?↗

25:24Speaker 1Zero, every human, every group of humans, speaks language. Honey badger, yeah, please go ahead.↗

25:30@malleusigOkay, so ver- just very quickly, I'm, I'm here. So for the purposes of our discussion, I think we can, we can rule out, let's say, the significance of any of the individuals that you just described, people that are so, I don't wanna say stupid, but are so underdeveloped that even spoken language is beyond their ability, and thus they can't participate in a test. Can we, if percentage is zero people that, that can't speak, but that's absolutely true,↗

25:57Speaker 1but I'm talk- yes, but I'm talking about hypotheticals because it is a fact that if you or I were raised without language, culture, whatever, in the wilderness, not in a primitive tribe, even worse than that, that we would act like a primitive animal. And if you were to look from the outside at that person, you would see what looks like a Neanderthal or, you know, an ape-like person. So I'm telling you, we're such augmented creatures that without language, we're primitive. And so that changes like how you look at the whole thing, don't you think?↗

26:32@malleusigNot at all, not at all, because we're looking at numerical significance. So the number of people that were raised by wolves in the forest, as far as I understand Is low enough that they can be disregarded statistically in terms of IQ measurements. Do you have anything that you can offer me that would convince me otherwise?↗

26:53Speaker 1I'm just trying to tell you that's, that's like a biological reality that we live in. I, I know, and so it tells you how augmented we are as people.↗

27:01@malleusigAmira, Amira, there are a lot of biological realities that we can discuss right now. Very few of them would be relevant to the discussion, okay? So if you don't have a reason why bringing this up is relevant to the debate we're having, I, I vote we just move out, move on. It, it doesn't, it doesn't do anything.↗

27:21Speaker 1No, what I'm, what I'm trying to tell you, I mean, think about, for example, how the g factor is best measured with vocabulary tests. That already tells you right off the bat that language proficiency is a necessary prerequisite to taking a serious IQ test. That's what I'm trying to tell↗

27:35@malleusigyou. Hold on a second. Your first assertion, I wanna say it's false because I've never heard it stated, and I've never heard any evidence for it. How are you going, how are you going to state that the G factor, which is what is measured by IQ tests, is measured-- Did you say primarily by language proficiency?↗

27:55Speaker 1More accurately by, vo-vocabulary than any other test?↗

27:59@malleusigAnd how does that change the discussion? I've just told you that most IQ tests don't depend on language proficiency.↗

28:08Speaker 1But I'm saying the one that produces the most accurate results is based on language.↗

28:12@malleusigEven if that were true, we don't need to have the most accurate results to make population level, distinctions.↗

28:26Speaker 1I think we do actually.↗

28:27@malleusigNo, we don't. You, you have enough results from enough people, even if you are, and I'm just going along with your assertion because I, I never heard this is crazy, I've never heard this statement made before, but let's assume it's true for the time being. If you have someone, if you have a certain test that's gonna give you an 85 when a person scores actually 88, okay? And then you, you have a million of those people It's not like the more accurate test is going to show you that they're actually one hundred and twenty-six, right? The more accurate test is gonna show them at eighty-eight. You're not getting a huge difference. You're not getting a difference that is so huge that it's going to skew the results in any meaningful way, certainly not by one standard deviation.↗

29:12Speaker 1But to understand that the caveman version of yourself would get a zero IQ score and you would probably get maybe like one twenty plus, right? No, I don't understand. And that's in your own same body. That is a categorical falsehood. How could you say that?↗

29:27Speaker 1It's not false because the scientific fact is that if you're not raised without culture and language, that you would be like a caveman.↗

29:33@malleusigCavemen could at least speak, I mean, unless you're gonna make the wild assertion that cavemen were pre-vocal.↗

29:42Speaker 1Maybe they would make simple groans or something, but I'm saying, they're not using language to think. Okay.↗

29:52@malleusigAlright.↗

29:53Speaker 1Okay,↗

29:54@malleusigAmira, are you, are you seriously having this discussion based off of completely imaginary hypotheticals? Like, does this, does this line of argumentation result in a win even in your head?↗

30:09Speaker 1Well, if you play it out, you'll understand it better and you'll see that It, the, what I'm-- the points I'm bringing up show you why the IQ test scores can't be perfectly valid, and a lot of the racial stuff is determined by that, by the way.↗

30:24@malleusigno, that's not true at all, Amir. Listen, I've heard you bring up a lot of red herrings so far. I haven't heard you bring up one piece of information yet that has any meaningful pushback on what I've asserted. And I'm, I'm sorry, honey badger, what maybe I can↗

30:40Speaker 1explain it like this, okay? So language proficiency, let's say, is so vital for a high-functioning person. Think about how in the past peasants were always illiterate, they weren't taught language or re-how to read or write at least, and women were treated the same way, and that was-there, it was assumed that they couldn't, but it was just because they didn't, and the difference between an educated woman and a, and a uneducated woman is huge, that it tricks↗

31:08Speaker 1To a foreign country and you don't speak the language and they think you're dumb because you can't articulate. It's like a mental trick that happens when you're observing people. Okay. You understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying, but I also understand it's completely↗

31:18@malleusigfalse and it's based off of an extremely Hollywood understanding of history. do you think that until women's liberation, women were all, perceived as illiterate, dumb, How can I put this? They weren't given any say in anything outside of the kitchen.↗

31:39Speaker 1I don't wanna say they had no roles, but I'm just talking strictly about reading and writing and language.↗

31:43@malleusigYou don't think women were allowed to read and write, or do you think that people believed women were incapable of reading and writing?↗

31:50Speaker 1It took a while, didn't it? I don't mean that- No, it↗

31:53@malleusigdidn't. No, no, it's not history, Miro. You're talking about Hollywood. You're talking about Mad Men. You're talking about what the television wants you to Women were extremely, like the, one of the great, one of the first pioneers of computer science, Ada, find her name. Someone help me out here if you can find before Google can. Ada computer science. She actually had, literally has a computer language named after her. Her name is Ada Lovelace. Ada Lovelace was↗

32:26@malleusigBorn in eighteen, no sorry, she was born in 1815, well before women's liberation. She was an aristocrat and she was a, an English mathematician and writer, chiefly known for work on Charles Babbage's proposed mechanical general purpose computer, the Analytical Engine. Now, are you going to assert that she was some kind of huge pioneer in women's liberation? She managed to get in eighty years before it happened, in the United States and Europe, and she somehow managed to push her way to the front of the line and claw to herself not only the ability to, to read and write, but also to become an advanced mathematician and work on a groundbreaking-↗

33:13@malleusigcomputer. the analog engine, which was the prototype of all computing systems, including the one you're probably holding in your hand right now.↗

33:24Speaker 1Doesn't change the fact that for most of human history, women weren't taught to read and write. At this↗

33:29@malleusigpoint, you're just, you're just repeating the lie?↗

33:34Speaker 1No, I'm trying to tell you that this woman that you're describing wouldn't have been able to do it without language proficiency. It's very necessary for optimal human function.↗

33:42@malleusigNow you are going off to a different topic. Now, first it was the assertion was that no women were allowed to read and write, and now you're saying that she wouldn't have been able to read and write without language proficiency, which for me seems like a bit of a circular argument.↗

33:58@joann_marieRachel is from before that era, and she literally wrote Frankenstein.↗

34:03@malleusigBingo. You know. Who was the, who was the woman that discovered radon? And when did she live? She, like, she literally died from, let's see. She died from cancer from handling it. blah, blah, blah, blah. Marie Curie, Marie Curie. When did she live? She was born in eighteen sixty, oh, a little bit later, yeah, she was eighteen sixty-seven. She died in thirty-four, but still, I mean, born well before women's lib. I think actually she died before women's lib, too. Thirty-four is, yeah.↗

34:37@malleusigSo, again, I'm sorry, Amir, this isn't even your central point. This is just we're taking apart one of the side tracks you took us on. do you wanna get 'Cause we haven't actually, you haven't actually offered any pushback on that.↗

34:54Speaker 1What we're doing is we're addressing the IQ disparities, and I'm telling you why I find the test itself invalid, and I'm, and I'm trying to just, play this out until we- Come to an agreement. So, hang on, let's,↗

35:06Ian Malcolmlet's, let's, so, so just to, to interject. So, what I presume, right, is that Rabbi, you're trying to say that a form of science that has been studied and replicated, across hundreds, if not thousands, of studies over the course of essentially a century, that has been used, to try and understand gaps in intellect, which we can loosely think of as IQ studies, which again is one of the most heavily studied parts Parts of, of essentially the human mind, if not the human body, right? And you wanna use that to set a baseline reality that there's a clear difference in the in intellectual capabilities between, let's say, whites and other races, right? That can be any other race. And Amiru, if I'm not mistaken, you're trying to suggest that those studies need to be completely thrown out in their entirety because otherwise you would have to concede to Rabbi that there is a baseline difference, which he will then use to build upon to express that not only is there a difference, but also that there are Be a ability that is superior in some rather than others, is that right?↗

36:10Speaker 1so you're basically right, but here's something I can say to kind of make my position more clear. I understand that based on the data, if we believe the data, that, sub-Saharan Africans have slightly larger brain volumes. That's something that I'll accept, and there's no emotion there, if that's what the facts say. but with the IQ tests, I'm telling you That because I study the brain, I feel like it's just not as reliable as it sounds, but I don't think we should throw it away though, because it's try-- it's, it's getting somewhere for sure, but I don't know if they're as reliable as they advertise them to be.↗

36:50Ian MalcolmDo, do you think, when it comes to the, the reliability and, and Rabbi, this might help your, your cause. So, Amiru, would you agree that directionally speaking, there's probably enough to indicate that there is a difference, regardless of how vast? The difference might be and the accuracy of the tests that, that loosely speaking, are, are defined as IQ tests.↗

37:11Speaker 1Yeah, I'm sure that there are differences, and I'm really curious to find out what they are, and I wanna know what they are, and I wouldn't deny them no matter what they were. but I don't think we're getting them. And even if blacks have lower IQ than average, what if it's, they're one fifteen and everyone is typically one twenty up or one thirty and up, and it's negligible in terms of human functioning in society, that↗

37:34Speaker 1Of issues are considered, you know, where, where people think that they can't- Wait, wait, but, but hang, hang on, hang↗

37:38Ian Malcolmon. I, I'm curious, and Rabbi, I'm sure you'd love to pick into this if you picked up on the same piece. So, oh yeah. Amira, you understand that the, the notion that perhaps whites are actually normalized around one twenty and blacks are probably one fifteen or, I, I think those were roughly the numbers that you used. Y-you understand why that wouldn't be-↗

37:58Ian Malcolma reasonable thing to suggest, unless there's a different group of people that are in the '70s or '80s or '90s, 'cause you un- you understand the concept of how the math is being derived there to, to get to those numbers, right?↗

38:12Ian Malcolmwhat do you mean? So, i-if your suggestion was that, that whites are actually perhaps around, 'cause if I heard you correctly, you're saying, well, maybe, maybe they're, the numbers are meaningful, but maybe it's that whites aren't at 103 and blacks aren't at 85, but that whites are at 120 and blacks are at 105. I think that was roughly what I heard you say, maybe, maybe I'm mis-interpreting, but, if that, like, you understand the way in which those↗

38:43Speaker 1yeah, basically. Am I doing, am I doing something wrong or are those numbers too high for a general population? Is that what you're saying?↗

38:49Ian MalcolmWell, that's where I'm getting, and Rabbi, maybe you might wanna jump in here, 'cause I, I think what we've just demonstrated there might be a misunderstanding. I see what you're trying to say that↗

38:56Speaker 1115 and up are kind of like outliers, and so no, no, no, no, what I'm trying↗

39:01Ian Malcolmto suggest is that the very idea of the outliers and the definition of what a hundred is supposed to↗

39:10Ian MalcolmThe, the concept there of how that is used across the bell curve and what those numbers are supposed to be relating to, then maybe the miss here is that you, you're, you're not aware of the, the ba- and I, I'm not, I'm not trying to be mean or undercut or anything along those lines, but, but To establish these numbers, we shouldn't be thinking of them as if they were temperature, if that makes sense, right? The concept of a hundred versus eighty-five versus seventy, we're looking at basically standard deviations from the, the norm, right? Like you understand what those numbers are, are supposed to be representative of, correct?↗

39:43Ian MalcolmI do in a basic sense, yeah. Okay. And, and Rabbi, this might be interesting maybe for you to pick up on, 'cause if, if you're picking up what I'm putting down, right, the, the whole concept of these bell curves and what is a hundred and three respective to eighty-five respective to one-fifteen, right? We're talking about the averages across these large bodies of people, and that certain races average out differently across that bell curve. Of course. Right? So I'm, I'm not sure if you're missing that, Emiru, but, and, and Rabbi, maybe, maybe it might Representing relative to the norm.↗

40:17@malleusigI can, I can. The numbers, they represent, and IQ tests will change over the years because what they represent is a recalibrated measurement against, essentially, the no-- the, like the average across the entire population. So it's, it's in many ways, it's a comparative measure. So you'll find that, a hundred IQ in nineteen twenty is actually quite a few points lower than a hundred IQ in twenty twenty-six because people's IQs have risen over the past hundred years.↗

40:49@malleusigso it is a fairly complex and very often revisited, updated measure. but, again, I just, I guess, let me just jump in here, Emiro's statement. this is probably the most common normie pushback against the bell curve, and I'm really sorry, but frankly, I'm disappointed to be hearing it in an ostensibly intelligent discussion on the topic from someone that apparently studies the brain as much as Amira says he does.↗

41:22@malleusigAmir, you find the test invalid, but you can't state a reason, to do so. You can't find-- you can't state any reason that you would find it invalid outside of your own personal preference. You just don't want to find it valid because, most likely, because finding it valid would make it impossible for you to hold your principled stance on IQ and race, honestly.↗

41:46@malleusigmy argument is that the reality of whether IQ tests are valid or not has surprisingly little to do with your feelings about them. IQ testing has been shown over decades to produce not only some of the most reproducible results in the social sciences, but the most predictive. The US Army, not known to be particularly ideologically based, famously used IQ to decide where the cutoff is in who they're going to take and who they won't allow in. Now Anyone who's been able to US Army knows that the US Army wants as many people as it can get. They don't want to-- They're not a very selective, they're not a modeling agency, right? They want warm bodies that can hold a gun and charge forward. But even they won't accept anyone with an IQ lower than eighty. And why is that? They-- Because they found that an IQ of eighty, and whether you wanna accept that eighty is, is, is some kind of measure of A particular kind of intelligence or all intelligence, but whatever it is, they found that the testing is accurate and predictive enough that they know that if they accept people with an IQ lower than eighty, they're gonna end up with, platoons that are difficult to manage, that aren't going to accomplish their objectives, that aren't gonna understand orders properly, that are going to be, you know, perhaps, rowdier than the ones that have IQs over eighty, and they don't, they don't wanna deal with it. They found that it's more trouble than it's worth. Right? So if you're gonna sit here and assert that an IQ test is invalid, right? You're going to have to argue with not only me, but with the US Army and tell them why their decision to, to use the IQ test as a reason to, as a, as a measure to exclude people, was actually a huge mistake.↗

43:31@joann_marieAnd, I mean, I, I've done, I've done multiple like IQ tests because of, h-h, ADHD, my parents will like take me to like places where, where I can like figure out what, what the fuck. And most of them are just like drawings, kind of like, they show you like a tree with the sun in one side and then the shad- the, the shade of the tree like going in a different direction and you need to like- Like tell them like this is what's wrong, and, and they keep giving you cards, and it's o-- most of them are drawings or like they give you like shapes that you need to, like arrange in certain thing, and then it's also impulse control and stuff like that. And the ones for Mensa, yeah, those are like really tricky questions, but the normal ones are like literally shapes and, and like drawings, like I don't think you need a lot of language to understand. And it's, yeah, you, you just pick What's, what's wrong with that? And,↗

44:27@malleusigand this, this is why a lot of the pushback on this line about IQ tests are invalid or they don't measure anything come from people that have never really had an IQ test, right? That don't really have IQ tests very often. and this is the problem. Basically, the only pushback that's coming from this is from people that really don't know what they're talking about, I'm sorry.↗

44:50@malleusigthat's, that's my kind pushback on that line.↗

44:56Speaker 1You should do one. They're really fun. With all due respect, though, with all due respect, though, I don't think you're understanding my point, which if you knew what I was talking about, we would, you know, this is a vital part of the whole discussion. Okay.↗

45:07@malleusigAll right. All right. So, so, I apologize then. why don't you restate in a way that we can all understand?↗

45:16Speaker 1If language proficiency varies in people, and it's just based on education and how much they've practiced and refined their language ability. And that means the IQ tests are varied and unreliable. So even if I don't know the, the whole in and out of the whole pro-process, it doesn't matter 'cause the results are all, all flawed. Because you, the same person that you are with, let's say, a score of one twenty, would score zero if you had no language whatsoever. So people, go to school, but not everyone learns what they could have learned. Maybe they're capturing, language comprehension with the eighty score in IQ tests. And but those same people wouldn't maybe have an actual G score of, of eighty, maybe it would be something like a hundred, showing up as eighty because not, not enough language proficiency, not enough thinking, not enough working memory that comes from using words to think, et cetera. And so in the case of the military stuff, it's useful, so I would say keep it. But in making,↗

46:17Speaker 1kind of concrete conclusions about how race, the, the race differences, I, I hesitate to do it because there's a functional reason with the military But because we're trying to make some sort of conclusion, 'cause it's almost like, how would you treat a Neanderthal? It's like, before we call people Neanderthals, let's find out what's actually happening and if the measurements are accurate, and they're useful, but they're not As concrete enough, they're not considering the prerequisites such as language proficiency that I mentioned often, and also PFC proficiency, but that's a whole other story. And those two things are always taught, you know, externally. It doesn't happen, it doesn't emerge from you, it doesn't, it's not like your, your body is just growing on its own. You have to be told by people to memorize the letters and form words. And so if you're not told these things, and you're, and you're not, and you don't, work hard to acquire Be in half, a half-assed version of yourself. You might have more potential. Maybe you're not a genius, but you're way smarter than people are, you know, and they're not giving you credit. So that's kind of what I'm trying to say. Okay.↗

47:18@malleusigSo to make sure, again, you know, be, you know, be, be, be gentle with us here. I'm gonna make sure that I understand three assertions that you made, okay? And then we're gonna talk about those assertions. The first assertion said is that the outcome of the test depends on language ability↗

47:38Speaker 1Not only language ability, but it plays a big role. Okay.↗

47:41@malleusigOkay. So the outcome of the test depends mostly↗

47:47Speaker 1on language ability.↗

47:49@malleusigIs that correct?↗

47:52Speaker 1It might be half, and the other half is PFC proficiency, I'm not sure. Okay. So you're not, you're not seeing a third, let's say, a third of the language ability.↗

48:01@malleusigLet's say a third. Let's say a third. Are you basing that on anything or are you just kind of like spitballing it? Well, I mean, we're both spitballing at this point. No, we're not. No, we're not. No, so do you have any reason to believe that language ability determines one↗

48:18Speaker 1third of the↗

48:20@malleusigoutcome of the test?↗

48:22Speaker 1Yes, because I think about what makes humans human, and language is a very important part of that, and another part of that is BFD proficiency. You get those two down, and you're gonna represent, well, generally,↗

48:35@malleusigbased on your thinking. Okay. okay, so the second thing you said was the outcome of the tests. No, I'm sorry. Language ability. Right, varies by individual.↗

48:53Speaker 1Right?↗

48:57Speaker 1It doesn't have to vary, but it- Yes, of course it varies, yes.↗

49:01@malleusigOf course it varies. Okay. So, and that variation is based wholly on education.↗

49:11Speaker 1Do↗

49:11@malleusigI have that correct?↗

49:14Speaker 1Not only, but mostly.↗

49:18@malleusigOkay, mostly on education. If, if you were forced to tell me how much mostly is between fifty-one and ninety-nine percent, where roughly would you say that mostly lies when you're talking about how much proficiency in language is based on or comes from education?↗

49:41Speaker 1I would say eighty, but it's a rough estimate.↗

49:44@malleusigOkay, eighty percent. All right. Now, okay, so based off of this, I have got to be honest with you, I have difficulty taking your arguments seriously. All right? Now that you and I have confirmed that I do understand your arguments,↗

50:02@malleusigat least two out of the three are utter nonsense. Okay? And I'll tell you why. the one you have right is that language ability varies by individual, because it does. Right? Because we all know that you can have one person who's very good at language and one person that isn't good at language, and then we have people in, in varying stages in between. That is a,↗

50:24@malleusigalmost a totality at this point. Your other two statements are utter and complete garbage. I'm sorry. The, the outcome of the test doesn't depend mostly or one third on language ability. We've already covered this. As a matter of fact, we've covered it for so long in this space that I have difficulty understanding how you're able to make the assertion once again with a straight face, without adding any kind of new groundbreaking, shocking evidence as to why you would believe this, okay?↗

50:55@malleusigWe, I wouldn't even worry about it, but again, it's basically, you can have the entire test with shape rotation and pull language out of it absolutely completely, and in some variation of the test, they've actually done it where the test is measuring basically response speed, alright? Where you have a hand on one button, which is called the home button, and then you have array of, say, three or four buttons, and- In front of it, and one of them lights up, and they literally measure the time it takes for you to lift your hand off of the home button and hit the target button. That's it, right? Because they're able to correlate response speed to IQ, right? So if you have a population of people that can't- Think, can I, sorry, can't think. Can't read, can't write, can't even speak, right? Maybe you have some, one of these populations in the Ozarks where they've been inbreeding for eighteen thousand generations, and, you know, they keep, they keep grandma folded up under the bed, you know, one of these things, then at the very least you can always say, "Here, here's a response speed test, and we know this correlates to IQ, so we're gonna do this instead." So, I'm sorry. For what feels like the fifth time in the space, no, the outcome of the test doesn't depend on language ability,↗

52:12@malleusigand it's certainly not mostly, okay? Not even a third. and then your other statement was that the variation in language ability is mostly based on education. no, this isn't correct. This isn't correct. The variation in language ability, doesn't come from education, certainly not eighty percent. You can see, say, some of it, you can see, you can improve language ability from education, but it's not like education is the sole determinant or even eight tenths the determinant, all right? And I challenge you to produce any evidence for that being true, in the space or afterwards. So again, we've seen that I can give you evidence that your arguments are the very least two-thirds fallacious so far. All right? I don't see where this discussion is gonna take you except down from this point.↗

53:11Speaker 1Well, I don't think you're, you're understanding where I'm coming from still.↗

53:15Ian MalcolmOh, again with that? Okay, I'm not understanding. Okay, but↗

53:18Speaker 1Lucid, because, because language proficiency isn't just like reading, it's also, thinking. And, one of the hardest parts of using language is for thinking in your head with words, and a lot of people don't do it, but they could do it if they were taught. And so that creates a big difference in output because it's not like it's just words being generated there, but they're like the basic building blocks of thinking. So one is thinking, one is barely thinking, and they would be thinking more if they had better language proficiency and more, you know, let's say thinking in their, in their head with words. Okay. They would perform better generally, they would be a smarter person in general, thus, thus even when turning shapes or whatever, they would be performing better because they would have a Okay,↗

54:08@malleusigso Amir, so your belief is that people who think with words in their head are sharper than people who don't? Or they have a better mind? I think it's a milestone every↗

54:17Speaker 1human is supposed to reach, but not everyone does, but we should have it be that way.↗

54:21@malleusigAmir, do you think that I'm someone who has a low language proficiency?↗

54:27Speaker 1Definitely not, you're articulate.↗

54:28@malleusigOkay. Would it surprise you to find out that I don't think in words?↗

54:35Speaker 1I find it hard to believe.↗

54:38Speaker 1How do you think?↗

54:40Ian MalcolmWhy? I'll, I'll never forget when you told me that, Rabbi, and I don't discount that that could be the case, but I, I did find that wild, just 'cause it's usually indicative of low IQ. But I, I do believe you when you say it, and you're certainly a high IQ individual. I, I just wanted to comment on that.↗

54:52@joann_marieThank you, Rabbi. But how did you get-- How do you think?↗

54:56@malleusigI think in concepts. It's, I don't-- words are too slow. Like, you don't, you don't need words to think quickly. You can think very quickly using just the concepts. And that's something-- it's not something you can represent outside of the brain, but, it's certainly something you can work with inside of it.↗

55:16Speaker 2I just wanted to say real quick, I have no internal monologue, and I get clowned on Twitter all the time for not having it, like I'm some sort of crazy person, but I, I, it's just a different way of thinking, and there's some very intelligent people without having a very dominant internal monologue. That's why I wanted to chime in, thanks again for the space. Yeah, no.↗

55:32@joann_marieMine just japs and japs and japs is crazy. Yeah,↗

55:35@malleusigyeah, V, you don't need internal monologue to think.↗

55:40@malleusigIt's like you-- it actually That's why I'm↗

55:45Speaker 2so impatient. I can't do it.↗

55:47@malleusigYeah, your brain, your brain doesn't need to think in words. Words are for, words are the interface with other humans, right? That they're not, they're not something you need to use inside of your brain. You look at it and think about this. Well, let me ask you this, Rabbi, because I'm really↗

56:02Speaker 1curious↗

56:03@malleusignow because you're very articulate. Let me, let me just- Yes, please go ahead. Sorry. But like, you can think about it like this, like a computer. Inside, inside of the computer, it thinks basically in binary, right? It thinks in machine code. But if we're to communicate over the internet, it has to go out through an Ethernet cable, it has to go, it has to communicate in,↗

56:23@malleusigwhat is it? HTTP? No, TCP, TCP, TCP, TCP/IP, right? It has its own, it, its own protocol for talking to other computers. That protocol is many, many Orders of magnitude slower than what goes on inside of the computer itself, right? But it needs to slow that down because that's the only way to make, the information coming from one computer intelligible over the network to another computer. This is essentially how,↗

56:54@malleusigthinking inside the brain and, and speech works. It's the same thing. Yeah,↗

56:58Speaker 1Amir. But if you were, so, so you're saying you don't think in words, but I'm thinking, I understand thinking in concepts and imagining and running simulations, et cetera, but I'm thinking when you're self-expressing though, you're not gonna self-express, with concepts, right? I mean, even internally.↗

57:17@malleusigSelf-express internally with concepts, yes.↗

57:21@malleusigAnd very often out of the concept Will come words, will come images, will come, you know, whatever, but the concept itself is invisible, abstract, amorphous. It's not something that can be represented.↗

57:43Speaker 1Do you ever think in words in your head intentionally, just for the sake of it, even if it's not your typical mode of operating? Yes,↗

57:49@malleusigif I need to, when I need to translate my thoughts into words for other people to understand, I have to think in words. I have to translate the thoughts into words, and so there's a process of translation that goes on. Well, that helps me. Don't you don't↗

58:01@joann_mariehave like a narrator?↗

58:03@malleusigNo.↗

58:07Speaker 3I thought it was so crazy when I heard people have narrators, and when I heard that, I was like, "Wait, when I hear a narrator in my head, I think I'm going crazy somehow. Like, maybe I should shut that off." Yeah.↗

58:20@malleusigYeah. I mean, if, if I force myself to become self-conscious and think to myself in words, I can do it. There's certainly nothing keeping me from doing it, but I find it to be non-optimal. Right? It's like, it's like deliberately choosing to use a fourteen point, wasn't it, fourteen point one baud modem when you have a T1 line accessible.↗

58:48@joann_marieSo it's quiet like the entire time? This is crazy. Anybody that↗

58:52Ian Malcolmever was curious about Rabbi's demographic and, rough age, I think he just tipped his hat to that one.↗

59:00Speaker 1I gave away my age.↗

59:04Speaker 1Well, I gotta say, Rabbi, you do have the ability to think with words in your head and you use it when you need to, but you just prefer operating in a different way. Something tells me you like to listen to music while you think.↗

59:18@malleusigIs that↗

59:19Speaker 1true? I↗

59:19@malleusigdon't think that's necessary. No, I don't really think so. I like, when I'm thinking, I tend to be kind of wrapped up in my thinking and the outside world doesn't really do much. Why would you,↗

59:31Speaker 1why, why, why did you say that?↗

59:34Speaker 1The music part, because I, I wonder if it encourages more kind of conceptual thinking.↗

59:40@malleusigNo, no, no, it doesn't, it doesn't encourage much, unfortunately.↗

59:49Ian MalcolmRabbi, so how about this, because yeah, I think what we're probably gonna find is that there's not gonna be a common ground here. Amiru seems, kind of heels dug in on the idea that IQ isn't a meaningful, at least test. And so if that's the case, yeah, but you haven't produced↗

1:00:04@malleusigany evidence for that being so, unfortunately. That's, that's my only, that's my only, that's the assertion that I've had to make so far.↗

1:00:11Ian Malcolmabsolutely. And, and so what I would then, ask We'll view this as kind of question number one. IQ tests, and, and this isn't based on your personal bias, based on what you heard through these two speakers, IQ tests are meaningful and somewhat valid, yes or no? And we'll put that into the purple pill, we'll then throw that up into the nest, and we'll see what the audience thinks about that subject. So here would be the second thing. Would be what the-- let's say the value of intellect, right? Because you, you were trying to define rabbi, is there a vast difference in the capability in terms of, like, let's, let's think of it as the speed of thinking or the capability of thinking, right? But, but let's discuss the meaningfulness of that perspective difference, right? So if the audience agrees with your perspective that yes, IQ can vary between individuals, well then what would the difference result in, right? Maybe the output of those differences, and maybe we could, we can, you know, come to an agreement between you and Amira, or maybe we can't, that having a difference in IQ, if the audience thinks that there is one, would then produce different outcomes at either a societal and individual or a civilizational difference.↗

1:01:26@malleusigOh, obviously. I mean, that would be my answer to that. But should we, should we give Amira a chance? 'Cause like the, the framework I, I proposed at the beginning was Amira gets assertion, he pushes back. I think we can-- we're kind of repeating ourselves on this one, so next it would be his turn to give me an assertion that I can push back on, so we can go any of those two ways. Just to be fair to Amir, I would-- I brought that up 'cause he hasn't had his turn yet.↗

1:01:55Speaker 1No, I like that. We can always return to this too, you know, and just let it marinate and, and get back to it and- so an assertion. You↗

1:02:03@joann_marieshould, you should do one, like, IQ test, like, just for science, I mean, like, seriously, that'll be so much fun. I↗

1:02:08@malleusigmean, yeah, if you're gonna talk about IQ tests, you probably should, at the very least, try one at some point. I've tried some of them,↗

1:02:15Speaker 1like, rotating the shapes and- No, like,↗

1:02:17@joann_marielike in a place, like, someone does it, like, someone gives it to you,↗

1:02:21Ian Malcolmand you're not like, "I'm not gonna try it." An admin- An admin- Your position was that IQ has been, studied, it's been monitored, it's been loosely reported on, by both scientists and a lot of authors, that we have meaningful statistics in your assertion, that's up in the nest for everybody to vote on the subject, we'll, we'll announce those results in, let's say, five minutes or so. Well, actually, but that↗

1:02:51@malleusigwasn't my assertion. My assertion was actually different than that. We got caught into this kind of rabbit hole detour about the validity of IQ tests. My assertion was that IQ tests, My assertion was that IQ has been shown to vary by race. That's it. correct.↗

1:03:06Ian MalcolmAnd that's where I was gonna go with it. And, and then you could build upon that, right? Yeah. And, and so we'll, we'll see what the audience thought. but why don't we go, because that was basically your premise, and then you guys went back and forth, and it was quite a long, long back and forth. Why don't we let Amiru come up with a assertion that would maybe either counter that or counter anything else on this subject, right↗

1:03:31Ian MalcolmAnd intellect. So, Amir, what would be an assertion that you would make that would go in opposition of Rabbi's worldview or in favor of yours, and then we'll have the two of you guys go back and forth on that?↗

1:03:43Speaker 1I would say that different countries were the first world countries of the time, like Persia in, I think, 550 BC, and, China in certain periods. So and at the time, Europeans weren't necessarily primitive, but they weren't as advanced, and yet despite that, after the Industrial Revolution especially, they excelled and, and kind of beat everyone else. And so if we were looking at that period with your lens, Rabbi, we would think that Europeans would never amount to anything. And so that's why I don't rush to make conclusions about, you know-↗

1:04:28Speaker 1Whichever is the first world country of the time, being superior inherently, for example.↗

1:04:35@malleusigOkay. Do you have a-- Is that your, your question or your assertion? Yes. Okay. when was any civilization in Africa the first world civilization of its time,↗

1:04:47Speaker 1beating↗

1:04:47@malleusigout all the other civilizations?↗

1:04:51Speaker 1I mean, I don't know about Africa's history, but I'm, yeah. Why Africa though?↗

1:04:58@malleusigWell, I mean, if you can find one race that was never able to produce a first world, or we can't even say first world because essentially we're dealing with a time when the entire planet was in the third world, and we're just talking about who was the highest third world country, right? But even assuming that Can you find any time in the, in the history of the planet when any civilization in Africa, and we're talking about Black Africa, not Mediterranean Africa, okay, any civilization in Black Africa was the f-pinnacle of those civilizations at the time?↗

1:05:36Speaker 1Like I said, I don't know Africa's history, but it doesn't, doesn't necessarily take anything from my point because, because something could manifest if they were given an opportunity.↗

1:05:47@malleusigOkay. So again, okay, alright, I'm gonna tackle that first. Something could happen if they were given the opportunity. Who gave the opportunity to the cultures that manifested it?↗

1:06:02Speaker 1I don't know. Human history is a messy thing, but lots of things are handed down and passed around. So it's hard to take credit for everything. It's in a way you either get it or you don't get it. Who gave,↗

1:06:12@malleusigwho gave the opportunity to, say, the Mesopotamians?↗

1:06:21@malleusigWho? Tell me. Nobody did. Who gave the opportunity to the Tang, to the Tang Chinese?↗

1:06:34Speaker 1It doesn't change, it doesn't change the fact that people that we underestimated, skipped everyone else. Amir, the story of↗

1:06:42@malleusigcivilization is of societies not being given the opportunity to make themselves great, but in carving out for themselves a great society. So if your argument is that blacks in Africa would have created a great society had they been given the opportunity Then your assertion is that blacks are children, because adults create the opportunity for themselves. Children need to be given, need it to be given to them.↗

1:07:15Speaker 1Not one per- only one person or a couple of people invent something, and then the rest of the population benefits from it. So a lot of this output isn't coming from like necessarily a direct,↗

1:07:26@malleusigno, we're just having a different collective↗

1:07:27Speaker 1effort. So you- so what I'm saying is, a white inventor hands down a white invention to people who couldn't invent it if they tried, because there are geniuses, geniuses throughout time, and so there's always outliers that do these weird things. And It usually happens in first world scenarios essentially. So if they had a more advanced civilization and maybe there are certain things that are lacking, I don't know what those are, I don't know if you know what they are. But like I said, things are handed down. People had to be given some sort, some kinds of technology, otherwise they wouldn't have developed it, or at least, you know, it would have taken them a long time if it was up to them.↗

1:08:05@malleusigOkay. So how did first world societies develop in Europe? Did aliens come down and give them technology to get started?↗

1:08:16Speaker 1Basically, most civilizations built, one form of advanced society or another. But I feel like you're picking on Africans, and we can do that. I didn't say that. You can describe why. Maybe they just emphasize hunting. I don't know. Emir,↗

1:08:31@malleusigEmir, Emir, Emir, you gotta stop. You gotta answer my questions directly if people are gonna take you seriously on this stage. People are watching. Alright? You said that people would invent something and then hand it down. I'm assuming you meant all the whites, right? And then build society based off of that, okay? Now if that's true That process is open to everyone. That process isn't restricted to Africans, Chinese, Lao Shins, Aboriginal Australians. That process exists for everyone, right? So the only thing that we can, we can take out of that is that if you think Europeans had some kind of a leg up,↗

1:09:10@malleusigwell then they had to be given that leg up by somebody else outside of the European community, because if Innovation had happened and allowed them to start that process of creating a first world society. if it didn't come from outside the Europeans, it would have had to have been developed inside of the European community, which is basically the same situation everyone else find themselves in, and they didn't, right? So who gave the Europeans like this, you know, let's call it the seed innovation? Who gave the Europeans the, the first- Innovations and inventions that gave them this unfair advantage over the other races.↗

1:09:51Speaker 1I think all kinds of humans naturally were just developing their civilizations over time, and Europeans were one of them, and they were pretty good at it. And some, like you're saying, Africans, didn't do it at all. We can talk about why, but it doesn't change the fact that most of Earth has done it, and that's the main point. But we can pick on black people if you want.↗

1:10:10@malleusigNo one's picking↗

1:10:10Speaker 1on black people. Picking↗

1:10:11@malleusigon black people. You made an assertion Right? You made an assertion that, make sure I get this right, every culture has had at some point,↗

1:10:26@malleusigturned its society into the pinnacle of civilization for the time, right?↗

1:10:31Speaker 1Not every society, no, that's a huge claim. Okay. No, no. Every race- There have been first world countries of the time. Is that what, is that what I'm saying? Every, every↗

1:10:39@malleusigrace↗

1:10:40Speaker 1has had↗

1:10:40Speaker 4first world- Maybe, maybe to calibrate, like what societies though.↗

1:10:44@malleusigBut let, let me stick with me for a second though, okay? Because your assertion is going to be that genetics don't play a factor at all. I'm assuming you'll agree with the statement, genetics don't play a factor in- No, of course↗

1:10:57Speaker 1they play a factor.↗

1:10:58@malleusigOh Okay, now this discussion is getting more interesting. How much of a factor do you think genetics play?↗

1:11:07Speaker 1I'm not gonna say a third. I can't, I can't give it a number. I don't know if biologists even know, man.↗

1:11:12@malleusigOkay. Do you think genetics play a factor in IQ?↗

1:11:17Speaker 1It's a huge factor, of course.↗

1:11:19Speaker 4Alright. I think, I think you guys really need to calibrate on, on what the society needs↗

1:11:24@joann_marieto↗

1:11:25Speaker 4be aware of.↗

1:11:26@malleusigIt's okay, Wolf, go ahead, it's, it's fine, it's fine.↗

1:11:28@joann_marieOkay.↗

1:11:29Speaker 4But it seems like, like you guys are talking about roughly the same thing, but there's, there's a differential that if you guys calibrate on what societies are, you know, building things and what aren't,↗

1:11:50Speaker 4I don't know, I mean, that, that seems like that's, that's a key point because you guys are agreeing on like eighty percent of everything.↗

1:11:58@malleusigI know, and I was surprised too, because we've come around from, you know, IQ tests aren't a, a good measurement of race, based IQ, now we've come to the point where I'm actually quite shocked where he's saying that he also believes that the genetics and thus race play↗

1:12:15Speaker 4a significant↗

1:12:15@malleusigrole in IQ. Right, exactly. So you↗

1:12:16Speaker 4guys are, you guys are getting to that point and then just drill down and be like, okay, so what's, what's the nitty-gritty?↗

1:12:22@malleusigWell, the nitty-gritty then comes back to the title, right? Because the title is, "Are You White's Uniquely Gifted?" I'm taking the affirmative, side on this one, he's taking the negative side on this one, but it sounds↗

1:12:39@malleusigThat race and genet-- like genetics and thus race is a major factor in determining IQ, then why can't I get a unique gift?↗

1:12:50Ian MalcolmAnd I'm gonna try to, I'm gonna try to, try to help you out here a little bit, Amiru, because I think what you said is that genetics play a role, but I suppose that your suggestion would be that it's normalized independent of race, and I think Rabbi, that would now be the next thing that you would need to get Amiru across the finish line on. I, I think that would be the next step.↗

1:13:08@malleusigIs that↗

1:13:11Speaker 1That I think that everyone's the same basically or something?↗

1:13:14@malleusigYou think that genetic, genetic variation is, is on an individual basis where everyone kind of averages out to the same and there are no significant disparities that are race-based?↗

1:13:29Speaker 1I think there must be differences, but I don't know what they are because the IQ tests aren't Valid, in my opinion. Okay, but you already just by saying-- There are differences, I'm sure. Right, but just↗

1:13:38@malleusigby saying that the IQ tests aren't valid is the reason you think that you're already, you're already assuming that IQ is going to be one of these things that varies by race.↗

1:13:49Speaker 1I think there's a high chance, yeah, because, yeah. But, but I don't think it would be the, the current numbers, and it's just like, "Wait, wait until we get the real numbers, then let's make the comparisons," and that's really Neuroscience. Okay, so, and, and also something I wanna say is, I, I don't wanna look like I'm actually saying that whites aren't uniquely gifted 'cause I think they are, I'm not taking that position.↗

1:14:11@malleusigOkay.↗

1:14:12Speaker 4So what↗

1:14:12Speaker 1I think what we, what this is referring to is, you guys were saying imagination, and I was saying, no, it's not, I don't know if it's imagination, I think it's more PFC gifted, is what I was trying to say at the time, if you guys remember.↗

1:14:24Ian MalcolmOkay. Wait,↗

1:14:29Ian Malcolmwait, We started with, and this is funny 'cause it goes back to IQs and standard deviations. I feel like the tide is clearly going one standard deviation in the direction of Rabbi, because what we've essentially arrived at is that there are differences in intellect, and Amira, I, I don't wanna use the term concedes, but would, agree is probably the, the, the right way to phrase it. Amira would agree that genetics plays a huge role, well, he said a role, I don't wanna describe the size of the role, but a role IQ,↗

1:15:03Ian Malcolmwhich I suppose in that validates that intellect and I, I don't wanna say IQ, but intellect at least is a, a measurable, quantifiable aspect of humanity that's gonna differ from person to person to person, right? We've, we've agreed on that. And now we just heard that perhaps that that also extends, it's the races, right? And, and I, I think it's perfectly reasonable to look at something like fast twitch muscle movement and say, hey, there's a group of people in the United States, it's not whites for what it's worth↗

1:15:32Ian MalcolmHave a bias for that, that renders itself very beneficial for things like running and jumping that we loosely think of as basketball, right? That is a genetic predisposition that is advantageous to blacks in America relative to whites, right? So it seems like Amiru has agreed that intellect may be somewhat similar, the, the difference maybe is how IQ could or couldn't be used to measure it. But the next little piece would obviously then be What is the, let's say, the catalyst of creativity, which I think is the, the next little leap. So, Joanne, maybe the next little poll that we could put up, right, would be, are there, let's say, predispositions in the, the difference of intellect across races? It's either a yes or a no, and I think that, we just heard the, the, the output of that. But Rabbi, does that feel, feel like a fair summarization of kind of piece two? And then would you like to make an assertion then based on Creativity or some of these other aspects that Amira was hinting at as the third step. Sure.↗

1:16:33@joann_marieWait, wait, are there predispositions of what, sorry?↗

1:16:38Ian MalcolmYeah, I think, and, and Rabbi or Amira, correct me if I'm wrong, but are there, are there, let's say I-- I don't even wanna use the term IQ, are there intellect variations across the races? I think that's probably, Rabbi, is that a fair, fair way to simplify?↗

1:16:53@malleusigYes, there are definitely, yeah,↗

1:16:54Ian Malcolmdefinitely gonna be intellect variations across the races. Alright, so that would be, that'd be question number two. For what it's worth, poll number one, "IQ tests are meaningful or valid based on the debate with, Rabbi and Amiru?" sixty-four percent, out of fourteen votes, not the largest sample set. it's up in the nest if you wanna participate, but, almost two-thirds of, of respondents in alignment with Rabbi Malia. So we'll see what comes out of the, the second poll. And as we do, Rabbi, would you like to make↗

1:17:27Ian MalcolmIdea of creativity, which I think is one of the things that, Emira really wanted to debate about.↗

1:17:34@malleusigI'll tell you what, I, I would like to, but I also know that we have at least two hands up, and I want to be fair, 'cause I invited Rob to come specifically to hear his take on this, and also John Doe had his hand up for a bit. So can we hear from them and then come back to it? 'Cause yeah, and let's- We've had one turn each.↗

1:17:54Ian MalcolmNo, and, and let's do, John Doe and anybody else that wants to share their thoughts on this, and why don't we use the two prompts, that are up in the nest to kinda help guide the, the responses here from, from Rob and then from John Doe and JP, and obviously add in any additional color or context that you think would be of, of benefit, Rob?↗

1:18:18Speaker 5Of course. you know, good morning and then good afternoon where you are, beautiful people. obviously every single group around the planet is, you know, endowed with unique, gifts, cultural richness, and identity that's, that's only really being, you know, changed, this whole context is really changed, you know, since the whole kind of premise of cultural Marxism that's now reshaping the world around us, trying to destroy our national identities, and really we see this kind of two-tier kind of judgment now really focused on the white race, as we all know that, you know, white populations seem to be the enemy of certain globalist, religious groups, but we can, we can just stop talking about that for now. We can just↗

1:19:04Speaker 5Because if we look at the history of the planet, we can really see what-- like, we don't have to guess like, who was successful, like, you know, what was the cultural domination, like, there is a core hypocrisy, and it lies this kind of unique moral standard to the British colonialism, and it kind of downplays or ignores these near universal patterns of empire building, conquest, exploitation throughout human history. That's what human history is. It's not a debate.↗

1:19:31Speaker 5so we obviously see this selective lens, okay? 'Cause the British Empire has this kind of single root of global ills, or, you know, despite its successes, you know, spreading institutions that under, underpin our modern world Most of it, you know, des-despite kind of, you know, all of these less, you know, non-lasting Western empires, and they receive far less kind of condemnation or, or contemporary kind of, criticism. 'Cause if you look at like who's built empires, the Chinese did a lot to expand their empires, they spent it massively through territories, military force, colonialization. The Ottomans did it, you know what I mean? The Mongols did it. And we have so many different examples, like India tried very You know, you know, all these other conquests out there, but they just weren't successful, okay? So that's, that's the reality of history. And obviously we have the different dynamics of like why England was so successful, and obviously, you know, you, you realize at the time, that there's so many different inputs that go to what making an empire successful. and realistically, when, when we look at what's happened, you know, the UK empire is covering twenty-five percent of the Earth's landmass, you know, it, it kind of came↗

1:20:44Speaker 5Naval technologies and industrialization and, and capitalism, that's what we see. you know, success doesn't inherently equal, like, being a villain. It just reflects that, like, we're in a world where empires competed ruthlessly for generations after century, you know, and, and the fact that we're now looking at the world through this lens of critiquing only the British version of, of the world history as the enemy, it kind of just ignores all these kind of pre-colonial, you know, societies where, you know, they were, were rarely- Peaceful utopias, okay, and many of them had the slavery, slavery which majorly was ended by Christian white empires, Christian white cultures, that also tried to stop the tribal warfare, the caste systems, or things seen as like Like not ethical, through the lens of this new culture, this kind of post-independence outcome, and we saw all these kind of things being dealt with, you know, through, through scale and institutions that were exported around the world. You know, we've just talked about the end of slavery, you can talk about the spread of common law or property rights, all these other things which we ha-- now have, you know, it, it's just like we're living in the world in which this certain society created, and now we're being kind of, you know, kind higher learning now through this left woke, wokeist, cultural Marxist ideals. and that's really at the core, you know, of what's going on, because if you look at what the Marxists were trying to do, a- essentially, they had success. Like Russia had the largest military of the time, it was nearly double anyone else. They had ten million people, France was about five million. Russia was the epicenter of Christian, culture. They had, you know, so many chapels. All of this stuff, Rome was, Russia was calling↗

1:22:30Speaker 5It's subversion, you know what I mean, when, when the, the Bolsheviks came in, and what was the first thing they did? They made antisemitism a, illegal, and then they killed sixty million people under the guise of, of oppression. So that's why we're seeing all these, these race wars now and this conflation and, and like this kind of huge vitriol around it, because that's, that's what they, they want us Not having our own identity, the one is fighting so that, well, we-- they continue to take over the planet. So that's just my perspective. I don't wanna keep waffling on, but, I just, you know, everyone here has the best intentions. We all, you know, love and respect other races and cultures, and we-- that's what we're fighting for. You ask an Indian, they'll say, "India is for Indians." But apparently, any white nation isn't for the native populations, it's for some other, you know, under the patchwork As we see the white populations going from twenty percent of the world now to eight percent, that's the reality. So, you know, love to everyone here, and, I hope we can deep dive into some more of these issues.↗

1:23:32Ian MalcolmNo, well stated there, Robin. as always, love the contributions and, and please stay up. And, for what it's worth, for anybody not familiar with, with what, what I call Dr. Rob, although not a doctor, we've been doing monthly spaces with Rob. I just wanna call them out. it's basically ask the medical expert is the term that we use, anything, and, and we get to do Q&A with Rob. He's absolutely brilliant, so always humbled to have him around. Let's go to, to John Doe, and then we'll go to Wolf, for their thoughts on these two polls that we've got up in the nest so far.↗

1:24:10Speaker 6yeah, hey guys, thanks for having me up. I am gonna give kudos to Rob. fuck, man, I've been following you for a while, so, yeah, all good points. Thank you, brother.↗

1:24:22Speaker 6yeah, you're welcome. I just wanna point out that culture itself has proclivities, right? If you aren't learned it in whatever culture, learned it, wha-however you wanna say it, in a specific culture, you won't fit in. And this battle between everybody, it, it's gonna keep going on. Now, as far as the black-white thing?↗

1:24:53Speaker 6Whatever, man. I, the further north people lived early on, they became, like innovative and, and, and had to learn to survive, right? In, in harsh, in, the environments and so forth and so on. When the further south you came up as a human being, well, your shit was you had to run fast Right? You had to, you had to be able to do things to, because you had predators. Whereas people in the north, it was, it, survival was the thing. So↗

1:25:35Speaker 6whether or not, it, it, it comes back to culture. Culture has proclivities and, You're gonna get it regardless of what color you are or what have you. If you are brought up in a certain situation, you'll get it. You might not be the smartest at it because of, lineage or what have you, but you'll fucking get it, and you'll, you'll work within that society. So,↗

1:26:08Speaker 6I, I don't think there's too much of a difference or shouldn't be too much of a difference Depending on what we, as a society, at where you live, actually teaches you, on how to live. And, and the last point I'll make is that a,↗

1:26:31Speaker 6a civilized, people can give over a whole, Government and everything to people who aren't conducive to that, and they have different proclivities because of their culture, you can give that over and it will be ruined in a matter of years, and we've seen that multiple times around the world, so That's my statement. Thanks, guys. John, it sounds like↗

1:27:03@rob_sol_you're out in the↗

1:27:04@joann_marieBahamas. Are you like in a swamp, John?↗

1:27:10@rob_sol_He's got an alligator twenty feet away from him.↗

1:27:12@joann_marieYeah, like, but it's beautiful though, like I haven't heard that, like, I don't know, like, where are you, John? Like, ob- obviously not the location, but like, are you in a swamp?↗

1:27:27Speaker 6yeah, no, no, I'm, I'm in America and it's nighttime over here.↗

1:27:30@joann_marieBut why, why are there so many frogs?↗

1:27:35Speaker 6because I live kind of in the wilderness. That's↗

1:27:38@joann_marieso awesome! Like, this is so cool. Yeah, John, John,↗

1:27:41Ian Malcolmcan you come into every space, if not just to give some ambiance, a little intermission here or there? I love it.↗

1:27:48Speaker 6It's a bummer, right? Yeah. Count me in. We↗

1:27:51@rob_sol_love, we love to hear that ambiance of, you know, living off the grid. We love it. It's, absolutely beautiful sound.↗

1:28:01Ian MalcolmNo, ain't that the truth? Why don't we go to, Wolf who has his hand up? And then what we'll do is, we'll go back to Rabbi and, and to Amiru for a little bit of a back and forth on their next point, which I think Rabbi, it has to be more around this idea of creativity. So, you can use this to kind of, noodle around creatively your thoughts on creativity, right? And we can have an assertion that either you or Amiru can make, and we can debate that↗

1:28:29Speaker 4thank you, I appreciate it. I'm not sure about the creativity thing, I guess I'll, I'll learn as we go. I'm new, so I'm not quite sure who is, saying which point, but it seems like again, eighty percent of it. Of what you guys are talking about are fully aligned. One, one person is saying more it's race-based IQ, and the other person is saying it's more environmental,↗

1:28:58Speaker 4so if in a long enough timeline, maybe that, some of these people that are literally retarded could be, not retarded, in future generations. Personally, I am not of the belief that, that you can, I mean, long enough timeline, maybe, theoretically. but personally, I think that, there's, there are genetic differences that play into IQ,↗

1:29:36Speaker 4and they are race-based, and that just is what it is. But that's all I, yeah. I was trying to tie it back to the original conversation.↗

1:29:49Ian MalcolmNo, very, very well stated, and, it, it actually does kinda play into this next little piece, right? Because if we're gonna talk about creativity, it would beget the question of where that is, derived from, right? I-if it is merely, location or geographic, then you can put anybody in that spot and, boop, it'll pop out. and Amira was suggesting earlier, well, if they're born into a place where those, let's say- Creative forces are already flowing, well then you develop it, but obviously that would be get the question from Rabbi, well, it had to start somewhere. And so Rabbi, maybe that's a good little way to, to transition here, and maybe you guys can debate this next little point, and then what we'll do is we'll bring in Ronnie and JP after you guys have a back and forth on, on subject three.↗

1:30:35@malleusigSure, sure. can someone restate, the core argument? I'm sorry, I was, taking notes.↗

1:30:43Ian MalcolmNo, you're good. And, and Amiru, if you wanna, basically throw it out there, the, the, and, and Rabbi, I'll have to critique the lack of creativity there and, pose a related question. But, Amiru, so around creativity, why don't we do this? Instead of Rabbi throwing out the assertion, Amiru, why don't we go to you? And I believe what you might Tied to intellect or IQ, or perhaps that it just has no basis as a racial component. Is that right?↗

1:31:12Speaker 1no, not at all. I would say that-↗

1:31:15Ian MalcolmThat my assertion was off or, or that the two things don't align. I'm just kinda curious how off I↗

1:31:20Speaker 1was. I wouldn't say- I would, I think, I wouldn't say that, 'cause you were asking me.↗

1:31:27@malleusigOkay. So the, the, the assertion is that is there isn't a racial basis for creativity or innovation, yeah?↗

1:31:37Speaker 1I'm not, I'm not sure about the, the-- But the way I would-- I'm just asking if that's the assertion↗

1:31:42@malleusigbeing made. No. No. It's not the assertion or the question being asked.↗

1:31:52Ian MalcolmI'm looking at you. I was trying to state your position. If, if you want to state it, yeah, I'm not asking you to agree with Emiro.↗

1:31:57@malleusigRight.↗

1:31:57Ian MalcolmOkay, I can stay on my position. Emiro,↗

1:31:59@malleusigI'm not asking you to agree with it or not. I'm asking you if that's the, the topic that's been put in front of us. And if it isn't, then please state what the topic is.↗

1:32:09Speaker 1I think the topic was, that white people were uniquely creative. And I was saying that they might be very creative, but I think what makes them unique cognitively is the prefrontal cortex more than creativity. That's, that, that's what we, that's where we left off last time. That's,↗

1:32:27@malleusigthat's. So you're, you're agreeing that white people are uniquely creative?↗

1:32:33Speaker 1No, I wouldn't say uniquely creative in a strict sense. So you just, you↗

1:32:37@malleusigjust said you think they're uniquely creative, but you think that what makes them uniquely creative is the prefrontal cortex? So do you, do you not believe that white people are uniquely creative? And if you don't believe it, why did you bring up the prefrontal cortex?↗

1:32:51Speaker 1I think they're very creative. I don't know if they're uniquely creative, but their creativity is facilitated by, their PFC proficiency, is what I'm saying. So you don't believe that PFC proficiency is far more valuable than creativity?↗

1:33:05Ian MalcolmSo, so IQ, let me, let me, Emir, let me throw this one at you. So I'm curious because if you say that they are both very creative Right? The very implies obviously that there's a baseline and they are in excess of the baseline, which would make them either unique or at least unique alongside another subset of people that would be defined as the thing that is unique, if that makes sense.↗

1:33:32Speaker 1I'm trying to say that, top-down control of cognition allows you to harness your creativity. If a schizophrenic person could have enough PFC activity to harness their imaginative power, let's say, which, you know, schizotypal people have a lot of theta wave activity in the PFC, which leads to creativity. So, because, let's say, Jews have a lot more schizotypal tendencies, they might be like, speaking of raw creativity, more creative than white people, but they don't maybe have enough PFC activity like white people do to harness That creativity. Harnessing creativity will lead to good results. Doesn't mean they have the most creativity in the world, I don't know, but they're good at harnessing the brain to control other parts of the brain. Is, which is more,↗

1:34:20@malleusigthat's↗

1:34:20Speaker 1kind of like a, a bigger compliment than just saying creativity.↗

1:34:24@malleusigOkay. So let's, so essentially what you're doing, you're creating roughly two classes of creativity. There is controlled creativity and uncontrolled creativity, which is the kind of like the schizophrenic type. Correct?↗

1:34:40Speaker 1I'm saying creative, creative potential, if not harnessed, will lead to schizophrenia. So, fuck↗

1:34:48@malleusigthe fuck, dude. Like seriously, like I, I keep trying to help you out, and then you keep, you keep digging yourself even deeper. Okay, so you're saying, but like the core of your belief is that creativity is something that exists in both a controlled and an uncontrolled state. Where you have the random kind of schizotypal creativity, and then that is the source of the controlled, productive creativity that innovates and creates new things.↗

1:35:20Speaker 1Yes? No, there's a neutral creativity. There's a neutral creativity that can be harnessed or could go haywire based on if you're more schizophrenic or if you have more self-control and PFC control, then you can harness that creativity better. But that doesn't mean that raw creative power of white people Is unique. If that makes sense. But, but Amira, Amira, to help, to, to help,↗

1:35:43Ian Malcolmhelp, gotta, yeah, and, and, and Rabbi, I can get the exact- I'm sorry, I'm gonna hit some- So, so, Amira, just to help because- What it feels like you're doing is suggesting that everybody might have the same creative horsepower, but there's only certain groups, or perhaps some groups are better at laying down the, let's say, the traction for the horsepower that they have creativity, creatively to, to create or generate something, right? And I, I, I don't know if that's a reasonable thing to suggest, 'cause I don't know how, how you would try to, either defend or demonstrate that aside from the abstract.↗

1:36:18Speaker 1I'm trying to say that even if white people are very creative, I don't know if they're uniquely creative, they might be the second most creative, they might be the first. But what I'm trying to tell you is, because you guys were saying imagination is the thing that makes white people special, and I'm telling you, wait a minute,↗

1:36:37@malleusigwait,↗

1:36:37Speaker 1no, I'm telling you, I think the PFC, proficiency, is what makes white people special, is what I'm trying to tell you. At least↗

1:36:42@malleusigsaid that. No, we said, we said creative problem solving is what makes them special, not imagination. Okay? For, for the, for that, for that to be a special thing, it has to be useful in some way. Okay? No one is going to assert that being able to come up with random hallucinations Right? Makes you uniquely, uniquely gifted. It actually is the opposite. If you are suffering schizophrenia, it handicaps you. You're-- and it's not an ability at that point, because abilities need to be under conscious control. If you are going through your day and you're seeing faces and everything, then that's not an ability, that's something that's happening to you whether you like it or not.↗

1:37:27@malleusigSo we're talking about two wildly different things here, and you seem to be... No, our abilities↗

1:37:31Speaker 1turn on us like our, our, you know, the worst that we've ever had. No, no, Miro, Miro, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, Miro, Miro, stop, stop, stop,↗

1:37:41@malleusigstop, Miro, Miro, stop. Right, that's a tool that we use, but it turns schizophrenic, it's a voice in their head. So that's an example of an ability being weaponized against us. Amiro, Is the same thing as the healthy ability to engage in creative problem solving. I have no choice but to disagree violently with you.↗

1:38:09Speaker 1No, I'm not saying that. Schizotypal is actually a healthy amount of, of, let's say, creativity and magical thinking. Schizophrenic is when it becomes pathological. Schizotypal people are, I mean, the, the, the stats say are the most, artistic people and creative people in the world. So schizotypal is just enough excess creative power that if you have PFC proficiency, you can excel, for example. But you can be an average person with an average amount of creativity and with enough self-control, you can do, great things.↗

1:38:42@malleusigOkay. So your belief is that creative problem-solving springs from this,↗

1:38:52@malleusigwhat? I mean, this schizotypal, schizotypal propensity towards connecting unrelated concepts in the brain.↗

1:39:05Speaker 1No, I, I'm saying that, I'm saying that there are different cognitive abilities that we can access, and one of those is imagine-imagining, and if you access it willfully and use logic and reasoning, et cetera, then you can go a long way with it. But there's like a raw kind of neutral creativity that's just in different people and it varies. I don't know how to measure that, but they know that schizotypal people tend to have the most. And schizophrenics, it's like too much and also not enough self-control and it just kind of becomes hallucinations.↗

1:39:37@malleusigOkay, so you're, you're telling me is that there is essentially a Platonic solid of creativity that exists only in the ideal abstract and that Creative problem solving is one of the ways this comes into expression. Is that correct?↗

1:39:55Speaker 1Like, like, it's close. And here, here I'm trying to make it really simple. If you're trying to remember something Right? You can do it consciously, but someone can remind you of something by just telling you something, right? When they told you, they prompted you, but when you're sitting alone and you're trying to re-remember on purpose, you're prompting yourself to kind of tap into your memory and use your memory more, right? So that's one way of consciously using cognitive abilities. One of those is remembering, another one of them is imagining. So if you have a lot of conscious control over your brain in general, you just, you have access to this cognitive ability at will essentially, thus you can benefit↗

1:40:33Speaker 1Where others aren't even tapping into it at all because they don't have self-control, let's say. And that's what we, you guys talk about with the frontal lobe disorders. I'm↗

1:40:41@malleusigbeginning to, I'm beginning to see how this conversation is going to go. This conversation is going to be ninety-five percent of me trying to pull you back from completely unrelated points of discussion to the central concept, the central question. And I'm gonna do that now. The central question is Cutting away everything that isn't creative problem solving, every expression of the Platonic Solid you're asserting that isn't creative problem solving,↗

1:41:08@malleusigdo whites not have an advantage?↗

1:41:16Speaker 1With that one, no, I would say↗

1:41:19@malleusigno.↗

1:41:19Speaker 1Not necess- but maybe second best, third best, but I don't know. But not like the best at it. Do whites↗

1:41:24@malleusighave whites demonstrating it? A greater, how can I put this? Whites, have whites, have or have not whites demonstrated more of this creative problem-solving than other races at, at the population level? Yes or no? Have they or have they not?↗

1:41:49Speaker 1Demonstrated, yes.↗

1:41:51@malleusigYes, thank you. Okay. Now Is there any way for us to measure creative problem-solving outside of your ability to demonstrate it or your history of demonstrating it?↗

1:42:05@malleusigMember, again, at the population↗

1:42:06Speaker 1level. Please, please repeat that one more time.↗

1:42:08@malleusigIs there any way for us to measure your creative problem-solving ability outside of your history of demonstrating it at the population level?↗

1:42:20Speaker 1yes, the way that they find out how people are schizotypal. Again, when you find out who those people are, you can assume that they're more creative. Amir, Amir,↗

1:42:27@malleusigno, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Again, you gotta stop this shit, okay? I'm being very patient with you, okay? We're not going to go back into mental illness to discuss creative problem solving. Creative problem solving is a completely- Same process, okay? You can assert that the roots of this come out of, again, some kind of arcane platonic solid that has its first primordial expression in schizotypal connection. We're not concerned with that. That's outside of the scope of our discussion right now. We're concerned with creative problem solving, problem solving that is useful That does something in the real world, that has an effect. Okay? We're not gonna talk about- I think we↗

1:43:07Speaker 1agree that whites have demonstrated, superior creative problem-solving, behaviorally and historically. But I think where we differ is, you think it comes from raw imagination power, and I think it comes from PFC proficiency. No, no, no,↗

1:43:24@malleusigno, no. No, no, sir, you are not qualified to put words in my mouth. Okay, I'm sorry. I hate to be, hate to be like brusque with you. You are at this point, at this point in the conversation, I know you're not qualified to put words in my mouth, so please don't do it. Okay? We are talking about whether or not one race has demonstrated a greater ability or propensity for creative problem solving or not. Stop. Hard end. End of story. That's what we're talking about. We're not getting into anything else. I just want you to tell me If that is true, yes or no?↗

1:43:58Speaker 1I've already said yes, fantastic, multiple times, yeah.↗

1:44:02@malleusigOkay. Now, would that or would that not, for you, be enough evidence that you would accept that whites are uniquely gifted in this area?↗

1:44:16Speaker 1I do think they are unique, and I, and I, like I said earlier, I think we differ in where we think that originates from.↗

1:44:24@malleusigWe're not talking about where it, where it originates from is outside of the scope of this discussion. Read the title. The question is, "Are whites uniquely gifted?" It doesn't say, "And where does it come from?" Okay? We are going to focus on this question first. Now, the good news is it sounds like you agree with me, so once you and I establish that we agree, then we can move on to the question of where does it come from. But the first thing we need to nail down is, do we disagree or dis-or agree, and if so, or not, why?↗

1:44:57@malleusigAnd we have a ton of hands, so we need to get to those at some point.↗

1:45:00Speaker 1That's, that's, I mean, you're asking me the same question again, but Rabbi, I agree with you, and we can get into why.↗

1:45:06@malleusigOkay, so you and I agree that what's unique isn't-↗

1:45:11Ian MalcolmYes. Fantastic. Well, there you have it. There you have it. I think, I think we arrive at a, a, a conclusion perhaps. and I say that only because I think coming into the conversation, that was the, the point of differentiation. Now, there's ways in which we can try to pick apart why that might be, right? And, and, and that's a reasonable thing to do. Is it a result purely of genetics? Is it nature? is it the nurture side and, and where those genetics are expressing themselves? perhaps is it downstream from, let's say, the manifestation little by little by little of cultural norms, but again, that would be get the question of where did those norms come from, right? but nonetheless, if, if we've, I guess, concluded by getting both sides to affirm the, the headline of the, the space I feel like that would actually be a nice little place to conclude kind of the debate, segment. that being said, Joanne, would you mind putting into the purple pill and then up into the nest the final poll here, which would basically be, are whites uniquely gifted? Question mark. And, it seems like both of our, debate contestants have come to a conclusion and agreement that yes, there is, some kind of unique- Some kind of gift, right? How those stack rank with other races, all those other things, that is, neither here nor there, as is neither where it came from, nor how we might experience it today, but that there is the reality that there is a unique set of gifts. So that being said, let's go. I know we were gonna bounce through some of the hands. I know that Ronnie hasn't spoken yet, along with JP. We'll check in with Barefoot and Donna. then we will certainly cycle through some familiar voices, although we're actually↗

1:47:00Ian MalcolmIf you could maybe thirty, sixty seconds, then we'll go through that order that I just, suggested.↗

1:47:06Speaker 5100%, I'll be quick. just in like the, the contextualization of what, what, why does creativity matter? Why does it matter in this context? you know, 'cause right now I think maybe there's more subjective takes and, and, and going to the kind of like, you know, the, the kind of, you know, opinions about it, but realistically, if we look at the reality, you know, history is our, our↗

1:47:27Speaker 5The transformative inventions by Europeans have shaped modern world more than any other single factor, and now this is kind of empirical. But if we wanna go back to kind of, you know, where did philosophy come from? You know what I mean? Like the, the Greeks, you know, really created this kind of, you know, this rationalism or modern philosophy. We saw, you know, you know, kind of engineering being, you know, created a-and put throughout the world by the Roman, kind of populations. But, you know, we could always go through the Removable type, oft-often called the most important invention in human history, was, was invented in Germany. We can go to the steam engine, electromagnetism, you can go to quantum physics, we can go to combustion, you can go to the airplane with the Wright brothers, you can go to penicillin, you know, we can go all the way down to kind of socially transformative, you know, inventions like the Magna Carta or university systems or compulsory schooling, you know, social, social security systems or, y-y-as we talked about the,↗

1:48:25Speaker 5the What history has shown us, okay, these kind of more socially, politically transformative ideas brought forward like parliamentary democracy, enlightenment ideas, you know, by these kind of more, you know, you know, European, populations, the nation state, you know, all these ideas, around society which we see. So the context and the impact matters. so that's all I'm trying to say is like we have history there to show us what happened, because everyone talk about the idealistic, you know- Well, well, subjectively creative, creative is, but there is the reality of what creative has, how creativity has affected the world around us, and that's, that's part of the, the evidence that we have here, just to empower all different groups, and right now we're talking about a specific group, so thank you.↗

1:49:14Ian MalcolmNo, well stated. And let's go through some of those, other hands. Let's go through Ronnie and then JP, Barefoot, and then Donna, and then, we'll come back up to some of those who have already spoken. Actually, no, then we'll go to Andy, and then we'll go through some of those who have spoken like, like John, Ronnie, and Wolf.↗

1:49:33Speaker 7Hey, and, Andrew and, thank you guys for holding this space. So, I just, I went lazy this time, and it's all because of Rabbi. He was using AI, so I did it as well. But, you know, product of your own environment is statistically one hundred percent real. So, people who grow up in an environment surrounded by people who-↗

1:50:01Speaker 7Don't produce well will always affect how you produce as well. This isn't, you know, to say anything that geniuses don't come out of that environment, but it does statistically hold ground. And I just wanted to point out this one part as I was searching through AI because, I think that it is very Relevant. so I asked it, you know, about racism being↗

1:50:32Speaker 7basically a psyop, and if you guys will just bear with me for a moment, I will read through exactly what it said. So, at first it was talking about, you know, it's not the military psyop. I'm not talking about a military psyop, I'm talking about a psyop on all of us. So here's what Jim and I had to say. Grok is great, I respect him, but, he's not great for everything, especially when you're trying to prove things on a platform that doesn't allow you to prove things. So,↗

1:51:07Speaker 7I just asked a simple question, I was, you know, is it a psyop besides being a military, and here's what it said. Yes, the division is fabricated to a large extent, meaning it is actively manufactured, amplified by institutions That benefit from polarized public, while raw racial prejudice exists at an individual level, the widespread high intensity division seen today is systematically produced. Here is that division↗

1:51:39Speaker 7structurally engineered. The outrage industry, media companies operate on business models that monetize human attention. The algorithm, the algorithmic amplification, social media algorithms are programmed to maximize watch time, content that trigger anger, moral outrage, and tribal defense drives that highest engagement.↗

1:52:06Speaker 7Legacy media framing Cable's news networks rely on conflict to maintain rating. Nuanced, unifying stories are passed over for sensationalized, racial charged events that keep viewers hooked out of fear or anger. The political divide and conquer, politic-- political strategists utilize racial and cultural wedges issue as a deliberate tool to mobilize voters, so it affects our voting. Distraction from the class by keeping the working and middle classes fighting over cultural and racial identities, attention is diverted Diverted away from shared economic struggles, wealth inequity, and corporate influence. Identity consolidation, grouping voters into rigid us versus them camps, ensure reliability voting bloc. That are driven more by hatred of the opposing side than by actual policy achievements. And I, I'll, I'll spare you guys the rest of it, you know, I can go on and on. But the fact of the matter is, is that everything that we are going through is We are going through it together. There is no, I'm more superior, I'm less superior. My dad was a three-time Vietnam veteran, and I grew up in a completely different environment where people were just people, you know? We were all struggling together, and we still are today. So, when it comes to racial superiority, yes, of course. You know, when white people have had a head start And we also have a better community, but the community has also been saturated with hate that was basically↗

1:54:09Speaker 7steered by a certain group, because we all know who owns the media. So, you know, I just wanted to say that while we're talking about Race, we also need to understand that in a race, there is a winner, and none of us are winning right now. So the best, the best thing that we need to do is stick together, they fear it the most. The, the entire government fears the fact that we would ever come together and just localize and be like, "Hey, you know what? I understand that we are different, but we are a community. That's what makes America great, is that we have everything right here."↗

1:54:51@malleusigYep, yep. And I keep telling people that the reason why Jews are able to, like, hang so tight together is because they perpetuate this myth that everybody wants to kill them for no reason. We need to get in on that game. We need, whites need to start, whites, blacks, Asians, we need to start telling each other that, yes, and this is gonna be true, not a myth, yeah, the, the Jews want you dead. They wanna kill you. They're gonna do it slowly and one by one, but they want you dead more than other people want them dead. And this has to be the only, this has to be the thing that, that holds us together. There's no other way. We disagree on everything else, but one thing we can agree on is↗

1:55:30@malleusigSometime there has been or is a Jew that wants to kill you and your entire family.↗

1:55:41@malleusigWell,↗

1:55:41Ian Malcolmlet's keep moving along, yeah, to, to Wolf and then, JP.↗

1:55:51Speaker 4in regards to the, the creativity thing, I think that whites are superior in that, you have to have the ability for creativity. Kind of like the theory of minds, why most blacks can't comprehend per capita. I mean, it's We had to change our fucking IQ levels, to dictate retardation in the '70s just to accommodate blacks. So I'm, yeah, apparently I'm an outlier here, but I am a↗

1:56:30Speaker 4white supremacist, I guess. I'm a white- You're more of a↗

1:56:35@malleusigrealist. Supremacists are much more colorful and theatrical. I would simply say you're a realist.↗

1:56:42Speaker 4Maybe. But I mean, that's, that's, that's where I'm coming from, and I, and I believe that, you have to have the ability for creativity, to be creative. And a lot of these people, they're not fucking creative. Like, you can, boil it down to race, I, I do, but you can boil it down to whatever you want, there's still a fucking difference.↗

1:57:11Speaker 4And until people acknowledge that, that difference is weaponized against us,↗

1:57:22Speaker 4we're not, we're not going anywhere. And people talk about wanting to band together,↗

1:57:33Speaker 4my race has Gone to what is it, like the six percent now? Globally?↗

1:57:44Speaker 4That's fucked up, man. That's absolute genocide. And I can't, like, there's no patience left. I can't do it anymore. So there's no joining together for a, a super righteous cause against the Jews. the Jews are trying to kill me, like literally. So↗

1:58:04Ian MalcolmOut of curiosity, to think, and, and I'm, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with everything that was just said, but, but certainly some points within, I'd, I'd be curious, does being six percent of the global population down from about thirty percent in as little as a century, does that then therefore negate the need to band together to some extent with other groups, 'cause you're against the ninety-four percent of the others?↗

1:58:30Speaker 4No, it's not a, a hard no, but there's,↗

1:58:47Ian Malcolmthere's definitely, prejudice and, That the races are different, and then I don't like saying,↗

1:59:00Speaker 4but it is real, and that's what we're going↗

1:59:03Ian Malcolmthrough. No, and that's the thing, it's the differences in the races are, I mean, you can boil them down to things that shouldn't be offensive, like average height, but the average height between people in Mexico versus those in Denmark is drastic, right? You're, you're talking in some cases, there, there's countries with almost a foot difference between the average height of the people, and so does- Look at something like that and say all people are the same is obviously a lie, and the exact same is true with weights, with hair, with eye color, with athleticism in some regards, with muscle mass, right? And, and with, brain functionality, and even a Miru who disagrees. Somehow↗

1:59:39Speaker 4IQ is precluded, and which is ridiculous. Well, that's,↗

1:59:41Ian Malcolmthat's what I was gonna say. I, IQ should be treated no differently than the average height of a nation, and I think anybody that suggests otherwise is clearly trying to manipulate the, let's say, the parameters of discourse Highlight, and there's a lot of people, for what it's worth, it's, it's almost as if-- and I, I believe this is the case, right? The Jews, and I would blame them, they want to obfuscate the IQ reality because it's a benefit for the clergy plan. And the people that are low in IQ, and they come from parts of the world that have a low average IQ, are happy to disregard that statistic because IQ isn't, let's say, demonstrably visible when you walk down the sidewalk the↗

2:00:25Ian MalcolmLove to pretend that they aren't no shorter than the tall man that's walking next to them, that they in some way, shape, or form envy, right? So I do believe that that largely plays into the large desire, not just by the people that are actually in control, but also by those that are of lower IQ, to just pretend like those differences don't exist. It, it appeases their ego or insecurity.↗

2:00:51@wagmiwanAnd let's not forget dick size.↗

2:00:54Ian MalcolmYeah, I mean, you can, you can go to average, penis. there's, there's a difference there. that is absolutely a thing. I, I think the, the studies I've seen though is, is something between a half and, three quarters of an inch difference amongst the races. The one that was curious was the, the big piece, at least the study I saw with blacks, is the, let's say the, the, the divergence from the standard deviation and the norm and the mean is the thing that is much larger, and the Have to take account of both the abnormally large, but also the proclivity for abnormally small penises amongst the black community. And so if they wanna celebrate the large standard deviations that they experience, it's both a pro and a con, guys. So,↗

2:01:41Ian Malcolmdouble-edged↗

2:01:41@wagmiwansword there. I, I don't know if this-- I don't know if there is any correlation here. It's obviously sample of one, but, you know, my dad was black, my mom was white. and my dad definitely had what you would call an Alabama black snake. I have done IQ tests, I'm fairly high, no genius, but you know, scored quite high, like in the hundred and thirty-something. But I run really slow, and I have a very, very average penis for any race, so I don't know if there's any correlation in there, but, yeah, there you go. I like how you threw↗

2:02:19Ian Malcolmin↗

2:02:19@wagmiwanboth positives↗

2:02:20Ian Malcolmand negatives. And I'm disappointed. I, I know I've disappointed the most. That wasn't↗

2:02:23@joann_marieso much information.↗

2:02:24Ian MalcolmThat was way too much information. I'd, I'd prefer, for what it's worth, if people wanna discuss averages, scientifically speaking, totally fine with it, even if it varies and verges into private parts, just Abstinently colorful, let's say. And don't make it a personal reference, I don't really care, nor I wanna know. But, but I, I, I do appreciate that you levied in there some, both pats on the back and also, you know, a little bit of, what is it, self-deprecation. That's a good thing to, to balance out. But let's go, to a person who I know will not talk about their personal life. Well, I↗

2:03:01Speaker 8guess, I guess that, no, I, I was, interrupted a little bit. I b- I believe that, whites have a, propensity for creativity that other races don't.↗

2:03:17Speaker 8and I, yeah, that, that was it. I just, one last thing.↗

2:03:23@malleusigI would actually just add to that, it's we have a propensity towards, how can I put this? things that make a difference, right? It's not just rap music. That we're, we're better at or whatever it's, it's that we're better at solving problems. You, you put us in a situation where we are inconvenienced or, living a rough life, we will figure out how to make that life better, right, for ourselves and then for our family and then by extension for everyone around us.↗

2:03:56@malleusigand that isn't something that you see. Maybe with the Chinese, you saw it, during the, the periods when there were no wars, like the, the long periods of no war in Chinese history, that kind of thing. You do see that, but, I don't think you've ever seen it anywhere in history, like you've seen it in the Whites. So, so Rabbi, I just want to ask you a question↗

2:04:15Ian Malcolmon that. Could you elaborate on the following? Because what you said was interesting there. You can put that group of people into They will figure out how to make it. And it was curious 'cause you said to make it better for themselves and their family. I don't know if you added in community or not, but by extension, you were suggesting that it is more than just the me and the I and the mine, right? They're, they're looking out for those that are part of their, their family or their community. And it's curious 'cause you used the term to make things better for, and so the, the thing that I find meaningful is if you contrast that to modernity, where there are a lot of Individuals in spaces, in-- and I won't say which, but from certain communities, basically say, you know, the people that were around them put money into material objects and the present rather than focusing on making things better for their extended family, perhaps in the future. And if you wouldn't mind, I think there's an obvious intellect and IQ and creativity aspect to that, which might be of interest for some people to talk to.↗

2:05:21@malleusigNo, there is, there is. I think that, that these, wait, I mean, I think that, you know, Europeans, we, we take advantage of the mass mind, and that is, that is one of the, one of our strengths, right? So we don't, we don't reserve the benefits of innovation solely to the self and to the immediate family, for example, right? The immediate clan.↗

2:05:47@malleusigso we will invent something and then we will release it for greater society to use.↗

2:05:55@malleusigthat is something that allows, it allows us to collaborate and not-- it doesn't require innovation to hinge on one extremely talented individual. You can have Five or six moderately talented individuals and b- with the interaction between them, you'll come up with one, you can come up with one really, really outstanding, discovery or innovation.↗

2:06:20@malleusigand that, I think, is part of our success, that's part of our technique, right? It's, we don't, we don't collaborate as much as we should. I think the Jews have us beat, honestly, have everyone beat when it comes to collaboration. Jews will work within the Jewish community as much as possible, share information, share innovations, they just tend to be different kinds of innovations. They tend to be the kind of innovations that,↗

2:06:44@malleusigyou know Manipulating numbers, trying to figure out how to get money from doing nothing, which they're very good at, and a lot of it comes from their ability to work together because, again, they all live under that assumed myth that they're going to die if they don't, which is probably the strongest motivator anyone can come up with.↗

2:07:05@malleusigbut yeah, I mean, if, if you read-- I'm trying to find it now, but I can't, I can't find it. But there is a, There is a, I think it's a green text that was floating around here somewhere, and it talks about how, basically this guy went to Africa, and he would,↗

2:07:26@malleusigoh no, that, wait, wasn't that? No, no, no, no, no. Basically, he was talking about how, he was volunteering in Africa and he found out that one of the reasons why nothing ever gets done and they don't really move forward is because of the, the mindset, in these places where he was at, are essentially that, if you have anything↗

2:07:50@malleusigyou are required to share it with everybody. So, so he gave an example of, you know, one guy that decided to be an enterprising guy and, and started like a bakery service, and he like baked the-- He got, he got some money together, he baked some bread, he baked like, you know, twenty loaves of bread, and then he said, "I'm gonna go sell the bread, you know, at the roadside stand or something, and then take the profits and then make more bread and then turn it into business." Well, he'd been sitting there at the stand for a few hours, and his father comes up, and his father says, "Oh, you have bread. The family needs bread." And he took like twelve of the loaves, right? And he couldn't say shit because the culture over there is such that if you have anything, if any, you move ahead in, in any way, everybody expects you to, to give them free shit, right? If you have any advantage, you have to keep it a complete secret or else someone will come around begging it and we'll take it off your hands,↗

2:08:46@malleusigAnd so that mindset, that culture keeps them locked in poverty. Like, it's, it's the ultimate expression of Krabs in a bucket. It's like they, as soon as one of them moves forward and becomes better than the rest, everyone else claws all the benefits of that innovation back to themselves into the hoard, and then not only does this erase the benefits of innovation, but it discourages any future innovation as well, because why should I? Why should I innovate if- Everyone's just gonna come and take it.↗

2:09:19@malleusigand Europeans didn't do that, you know, we, we share the results, but we sh- we share the discovery and the results, but we also allow each other to keep the profits of that innovation. So this encourages it. And, this doesn't go into IQ or race or genetics or anything so much as culture, but it's significant and, and needs to be mentioned.↗

2:09:45Speaker 8I guess the question, like, where, where does the culture come from?↗

2:09:49@malleusigYeah, I mean, well, the cultural advantage comes from genetics. Yeah, exactly. Genetics and environment.↗

2:09:57Ian MalcolmBut let's go to, somebody that will certainly not again comment on the size of their certain something, with, Ms. Donna.↗

2:10:06Speaker 9Thank you, Ian, and, Rabbi. You talk so long, I almost forgot what I wanted to say. the first thing I'd like to say is, I Q via J Q two. I understand, I did hear you in a previous space say that you work with autistic children, and repetition and repetition, you know, to make small milestones you know, and that type of thing. So,↗

2:10:39Speaker 9I'm looking at, your point of view as when you say you study the brain, that you do a lot of studying on,↗

2:10:52Speaker 9problem brains and how to improve their condition. where I think Rabbi is coming from a point of just Flat out, okay, just take your average white people, what makes their, you know, intellect unique? I will give you an example. My daughter was a year and a half years old. The candy from Halloween was on a shelf up near the ceiling, a twelve foot high ceiling.↗

2:11:27Speaker 9My one and a half year old child saw the high chair Pushed it over to the cupboard, climbed up the high chair, climbed up the shelves, and when I came out of the bathroom, she was up at the ceiling so that she could get that Halloween candy. It was creative, it was inventive, it was motivated, and she did it at a year and a half year, eighteen months old. Had nothing to do with language.↗

2:11:57Speaker 9She had a desire, and she problem solved, and she was very creative. Not, you know, I, I have to admit, she was a handful, but she was very intelligent. She was four years old, and I caught her in her bedroom, she literally spliced Christmas lights and hooked them onto the end of a nine-volt battery to make herself nightlight. Nobody taught her that.↗

2:12:25Speaker 9So, I'm telling you about- You know, there's motivation, there's curiosity, you know, all these different aspects. When somebody invents something, let's say you want something, something up high. Well, let's say you're in Africa and there's like some fruit in the tree. Did they go invent a ladder so they could get up to that? Fruit that they wanted, or did they start throwing rocks at the tree to try to make that fruit fall?↗

2:12:59Speaker 9I, I'm just saying that there's different ways of thinking problem-solving that are unique that you can see in people as very young, very young before they're even like, toddler language, okay? So, That's just what I'd like to say. How does land?↗

2:13:25Speaker 10And is it okay with you if I clarify something just since Donna mentioned me? I don't currently work with autistic children. I used to work with them, I worked with them significantly, but most of what I study isn't about problem brains, but optimal functioning. So, just wanna clarify that so I'm not just thinking about,↗

2:13:43Speaker 10autistic people or people with disabilities. Most of the time, I'm thinking about a neurotypical.↗

2:13:53@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much. JP, go for it!↗

2:14:00Speaker 11Great, thank you, thank you. Hey, hey everybody. So briefly, I just wanna point out, a, a, a, a, a, a fundamental, disconnect I think we had at the beginning of this, conversation, argument, exchange here. So, I, I think there, there, there was, there was a, you guys were Talking past each other in, in, in, in a sense that,↗

2:14:30Speaker 11I, I think what more so on one side, what was being discussed was, was more EQ than IQ, right? The, the, emotional quotient, and also personality, types, right? Because at the beginning of the, at the beginning of the conversation, Amir mentioned the, the Maersk, Personality test, right? So, I think he was thinking more along the lines of, like I say, personalities and EQ, whereas obviously, Rabbi was focused exclusively, like a laser, on IQ. And, and, and those are, two different things. But I think to some degree, Amir wasn't perfectly familiar with the, the ground Graphical nature of, of the IQ test, right? That was made pretty evident. But, but, Amir, I, I, I believe you'll, you'll agree with me that you, you were more focused on EQ, right? Self-awareness, regulation, motivation, empathy,↗

2:15:31Speaker 11what's the other one? social interaction, right? Those are more, on, on, on the EQ and, and perhaps, cultural And personality type, qualities. whereas pure IQ is, is just a, a, a very narrowly focused thing on, on basically processing power. Think of it as a CPU chip, right? A, a 16-bit chip versus a 32-bit chip versus a 64-bit chip, you know, the evolution of the microprocessor. That, that, that's purely,↗

2:16:11Speaker 11CPU cycles, brain cycles. but anyway, I, I think to some degree you, you, you were, you were vacillating between those, those, those, personality and, and, and emotional quotient, type traits. I think that, that's why you guys had a little awkward start to the, to the beginning of this conversation, I think. I don't, I don't↗

2:16:33@malleusigknow if it was that big of a difference. I would actually make the argument that whites have an advantage in EQ as well as IQ. I mean, if you look at every other way, I,↗

2:16:42Speaker 10I never said that, I never even once mentioned EQ, and I never denied that IQ exists, so I don't know who you're talking about, who's talking.↗

2:16:51Speaker 11JP. So, no, no, I'm, I'm not saying that you, you actually said that, but I, I was, that's what I was hearing, in between the, in the lines, because, again, in between the lines, I was focused on On, on one thing, and you, you, you, you, you had a, a broader context.↗

2:17:09@malleusigNow, JP, so Amuro, and, and again, this is a, a com- this is a long time ago in the discussion, but, we spent most of the first part of this space arguing just about the validity of IQ tests. He didn't get into EQ, but if you want to, I will gladly take the position that EQ is essentially the ability to market innovations, and I would say that whites have an advantage That as well. I mean, you look at our ability to engage in emotional, you know, what's, what's a good way to say, self-awareness about our emotions and o-emotions of others. Whites tend to have an advantage that over, say, Asians, Indians, Africans, you know, who else? We tend to do better with that as well.↗

2:17:51Speaker 11Well, it's inter-interpersonal relationships, right? Teamwork, leadership, that, that's more of, the soft skills. Exactly. Whereas, whereas the, I, I, I think that's what Amir was, was, was more-- It↗

2:18:05@malleusigwasn't what he was going after, no, no.↗

2:18:07Speaker 11And↗

2:18:07@malleusighe'll, he just told you this much.↗

2:18:11Speaker 11Well, I-- That's not what I was hearing, right? He was talking more about motivation, regulation, JP, JP, JP, listen, if he never↗

2:18:19@malleusigactually said the words EQ, then I think we can safely assume that what you were hearing was a largely hallucination.↗

2:18:26Speaker 11Hallucination? Yeah. That's it.↗

2:18:30@malleusigI mean, again, this is, again, you, he's right here. You can check with him if that's what he was saying, and you did, and he said no.↗

2:18:39Speaker 10Yeah, I didn't mention EQ, and I think IQ can be measured. I just don't know if we have valid IQ test measures yet. As soon as those come out, I'm very eager to see what the scores are.↗

2:18:48Speaker 11Well, you did mention, I'm just sitting here waiting,↗

2:18:50Ian Malcolmwaiting for Hitchh'lap to hopefully request so that we can get his take on EQ, 'cause I know he will↗

2:18:59Speaker 11Okay, how about the part where you mentioned personality, discrepancies in people? When did we mention↗

2:19:05@malleusigpersonality discrepancies in people?↗

2:19:07Speaker 11No, not yet.↗

2:19:08@joann_marieOh my God, JP.↗

2:19:10@malleusigLike, like, was this whole space just a, like, hallucination for you? Like, did we talk about purple dragons too?↗

2:19:16Speaker 11No, I'm asking Amir.↗

2:19:19@joann_marieNo, we didn't talk about that.↗

2:19:20Speaker 11No, no, no, we↗

2:19:21Speaker 10talked about the, the prefrontal cortex and the validity of IQ tests and language proficiency.↗

2:19:28Speaker 11Right. But you mentioned the, the Myers-Briggs test initially. The Myers-Briggs test? I↗

2:19:33Speaker 10mentioned it as like, I'm kind of mockingly comparing IQ tests to Myers-Briggs tests, but they're, they're more valid than those.↗

2:19:39@malleusigYeah. He wasn't really bringing it up as a, as a point of contention.↗

2:19:48@malleusigSorry, JP. Already. Yep, yep.↗

2:19:53Ian MalcolmLots of love for, for JP, also for, for Hitchhlep. I'm just gonna, bring some attention to his spaces, hosts a lot around IQ, kind of the mind, a lot of fun social spaces for what it's worth. I'll, I'll put one of his posts up in the nest so people can easily find it if they're not familiar with his work. But, let's continue right along. Hitchhlep, David, I want↗

2:20:13@malleusigyou to come up↗

2:20:14Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't disappoint↗

2:20:17@malleusigus.↗

2:20:18Ian MalcolmWell, if he does, I'll be certainly excited, but nonetheless, let's go to, to Mighty Thor for what I believe will be some mighty colorful content on the subject. And, and Thor, I, I gotta tell ya, we started out the space with the immigrant song, which I think if you had been here for it, you would have been raging out in the best of senses.↗

2:20:38Speaker 12Oh man, John Bonham's bass drum pattern with his right foot on the "Immigrant Song," da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun. Okay, it's one of the first songs I learned way back in 1987. Okay, so, man, where was I? by the way, what's up, Ian, Joanne, Rabbi? Rabbi, I clicked on you moments ago. Your name is so Jewish and so long, it makes me anti-Semitic. Now, Yitz is here, Yitz is here Suckatash of a Jew, smart guy, but my God, what a supremacist and narcissist and one, I'm a bit of a narcissist, I can't tell a lie, and that's why I understand his perspective. Now, God, where do I begin? I guess with From Zero to One: Notes on Startups, was a book written, co-authored by Blake Masters and Peter Thiel in twenty fourteen. Blake Masters, raised Catholic, I had to check, I had to do an early life check, and Peter- Or teal, some form of Protestant Christian. So neither are Jews, although the agenda is there. And so from zero to one, and one, a note on sexual Yeah, so bl- most importantly, a blatantly queer oligarch of a billionaire who wants to digitally surveil and perhaps enslave us with Palantir, the inventor of Palantir, and I think Anduril too, right? Notice all those names come out of places or items, weapons from the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Anduril was the re-forged shards of Narsil. Narsil, my English accent sucks. Anduril was his sword, and- Palantir were, were the orbs, the crystal balls, if you will, that Saruman and Sauron and, and all the others peered↗

2:22:29Ian Malcolminto to predict the future so far. My, my No, what is it? So get this, so they've got, they've got the Palantir to witness over everybody, which obviously is a surveillance state, and now they've got Erebor, which is their crypto bank that all of the, the oligarchs are pushing. And do you know the reference that is Erebor from Lord of the Rings or, or from The↗

2:22:57Speaker 11Hobbit? Where the Hobbit stores his weapons. And where the, no, that's the↗

2:23:01Speaker 12dwarven, the dwarven under mountain city of Erebor. Which all of the what is located in Thor? The gold and the booty, right? Yeah, exactly.↗

2:23:11Ian MalcolmAnd, and what happens to all that gold that's in that mountain?↗

2:23:18Speaker 12Yeah, I think, well, the dwarves got most of it back But the, the Thirteen Hobbits and Bilbo took a, a, a one-fourteenth share each, right? But so before I forget, I gave a few minutes seconds rather to think about what other name out of the Lord of the Rings trilogy might come up out of Peter Thiel's vivid, queer imagination, and I thought of, this, this suite of massive dildos named the Grond collection. Grond was the- Battering ram used to smash down the gates of Minas Tirith, the White City. Now about the White City. What about the flaming Wolf Head? Yeah, yeah. And you know what's interest-- And you know what's interesting about that, Ian, I learned this from my uber dork of a genius older brother, Paul. Grond was actually the mace or the weapon used by Morgoth in his fight against,↗

2:24:11Speaker 12not Glorfindel, Fin Gollfin, who is the half brother of, of, my My God, my favorite elf of all time. Are you kidding me? What's his name? Of the First, Age? Fëanor. The guy that created the three Silmarils, right? The gems that captured the tree of, the light from the tree of light. Okay, let's get, get back to the whiteness. I wanna drop down, great space as usual. I just, I don't wanna listen in. But so From Zero to One: Notes on Startups talks about this phenomenon of creativity, okay? And everybody should know this. We've all heard, necessity is the mother of invention. That actually, what's the acronym, Alex? My real name, Alex. SPA. S P A. Socrates taught Plato, and Plato taught Aristotle. And so Plato, in about three eighty or four hundred BC, he had this written work called The Republic, and out of it was something like, "Our need will result from the creator." And the modern-day derivative of that is, to simply put, "Necessity is the mother of invention." Now let me go back to a funny anecdotal story where I was contemplating dating this half black and half white chick named Gina here in San Francisco, we're talking twenty years ago. My white nationalist buddies, go ahead and condemn me to hell, throw rotten tomatoes and rocks at me. Hey, yeah, I almost dated a half black, half white chick, and she said, "You might find this amusing, I sure did." God, I'm so disgusted with black men. On average, they just sit around on their big dicks all day and do absolutely- Nothing with themselves. Okay, why is Whitey a little... That was supposed to be funny, thanks, thanks so much. Why is Whitey so different? Well, if you have fair skin, perhaps blue eyes, you know, green eyes, and fair hair, know that your ancestors, maybe not you, certainly not me, but my ancestors suffered ninety thousand frigid winters where you had to fucking innovate just to survive. Much more harsh and- Deadlier than a couple of centuries of slavery for our Black American friends and listeners in here, right? And every demographic and race of people has been enslaved at one point. My God, my mom, being from Dublin, Ireland, my late mom, the Irish were-- Ireland was the land of indentured servitude for a century, wherein you had seven years of, in essence, slavery and then you were free. Okay, so that's the fundamental difference. You need to innovate, and so the book from zero to one One, Notes on Startups talks about, and I wanna talk about the Chinese briefly, I think Rabbi Malias mentioned them. I mean, they're great at buying our technology from Israel. We share our technology with Israel for free, and Israel, these fucking scoundrels, sell it to China for decades now. That's why the entire manufacturing sector ha-is-is there now, and abs- there was absolutely nothing there in the mid-eighties, okay? And our CEO- Oh, by the way, Blake Masters, was the COO, chief operating officer of Peter Thiel's, Thiel Capital venture firm↗

2:27:28Speaker 12And so they wrote that book, and it talks about this phenomenon of needing creativity to manifest something out of nothing. And this is where necessity being the mother of invention, to, to survive really comes in. I mean, if you need to come up with insulated shelter, or shelter for that matter at all, and clothing, and preserved food, because you certainly can't hunt and forage during the frigid winter months. Keep in mind, if you're- You're living super far north, in Iceland, the Scandinavian nations, right? Norway, Sweden,↗

2:28:04Speaker 12Denmark. The, the Nordic nations include Finland and, God, what's the fifth guy? Is it Iceland? I think. And so they have six months of, let's use the word frigidity, okay, to contend with. So that really qui-requires manipulation of fire, not just inventing fire. Atra, go see the 1981 Quest for Fire movie with the Jew, Ron Perlman. Hilarious, great, and entertaining. But, yeah, so that's the fundamental difference. You have to be able to, s--↗

2:28:37Speaker 12in order to survive, you gotta be able to create. And so we don't see the Chinese creating a whole lot out of nothing. They're great at going from one to two and one to seventy-five, right? Through reverse engineering. But I don't see that, see, I don't see them innovating a whole lot on their own Sorry, I'm just telling the truth. Don't cry on me, kids. Anybody from the Middle East, I mean, unless you live at really high altitude, they didn't suffer frigid winters either. They're just above and below the equator. You know, if you, if your people evolved at the equatorial line, you could probably get by with a loincloth over your dick, or better yet, let it hang. and have gravity take its effect on your pinus, if, you know, if you're a white man, oh my god, you better cover that motherfucker up, otherwise it too will,↗

2:29:28Speaker 12you know, be-- will experience frostbite. So, yeah, big fundamental differences in our evolution. I'm not saying that any life is more valuable than another. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. You will never beat the East Africans in long distance races. Now you see them going all over the planet, these top tier athletes from Kenya Kenya and elsewhere, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and they win because they evolved at elevation where,↗

2:29:55Speaker 12right, the colder environment brings molecules, air molecules together, closer together. Hot air right along the equator, those molecules are, are spread out. And so that's why it's, you're at a disadvantage if, like me, you're a hundred and five a be-a feet above sea level. I promise I'll shut up momentarily, Ian. This is just my re- Tarted OCD stream of conscious. I don't even know what the fuck I'm saying. And I never smoke weed, do drugs or drink. Maybe I should. But so maybe they'd make me more creative and schizophrenic, yeah? Destroy my rationality entirely. That's what the Jews want of us. But no, kids, don't buy into it. And I think instead of trying to be funny further, I will just shut up and leave it at that. I hope it made sense. okay.↗

2:30:41@kootsislanderNecessity. Go ahead. I can debunk you in one sentence. Oh↗

2:30:45Speaker 12God To the accursed Jew who's here to tell lies with his forked tongue, I never lie. I was raised Catholic, I pride myself on my integrity, I swear on my late mother's and father's graves, okay? Kids, thanks for letting me talk, Ian, I shall listen. But I, I loved it with the↗

2:31:03Ian Malcolmjourney like, Frodo, to Mordor. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,↗

2:31:10Speaker 12it, it, it, it, it,↗

2:31:13Ian Malcolmit, it, it, it, it, it, it Talked with, JFG on this subject of, of cold weather theory, which he, went into great lengths about and basically said that, sorry? Oh, that was yes. Now, hang on,↗

2:31:31@malleusigI think it was a sneeze. It↗

2:31:32Ian Malcolmwas a sneeze, not yes. and, and he was basically saying that it, it's his take that not only is, he didn't use the term accepted science, but he said that basically cold weather theory is, very, very reasoned, in particular because, like Mighty was saying, it's basically just an evolutionary pressure, right? And to his point, if you're in a,↗

2:31:53Ian Malcolma part of the world where you have to constantly problem solve Away from cold weather, right? Figure out how to make a fire, how to store food, how to anticipate the patterns of animals that, might migrate throughout the seasons, right? All of those things would play into your ability, like Rabbi was saying earlier, just to be able to commonly solve complex problems and do that with some kind of organic fashion, which obviously you don't have to do if you sit around and you watch Netflix all day long and you order your food on Uber Eats. So you can almost see how in a very- Very short period of time, we are limiting our problem-solving abilities, and AI is only gonna exacerbate that problem, right? So they are, they are stupefying us in the worst of senses, and probably, they are degenerating us not only at a societal level, but also an individual level by messing with our ability to do the thing that actually makes us unique and special. So well stated there, Mighty as always. And, and with that being said,↗

2:32:56@joann_mariejust, just something really quick, Mighty. civilization, civilization began in the Middle East, also looking to the Islamic Golden Age, and in Iran they literally had With architecture, they could hold ice during the summer. They, they were like absolutely brilliant. So, yeah, I mean, that doesn't, that doesn't mean that whites aren't amazing, they absolutely are, but in the Middle East, they also invented so many things. And, yeah, you should look into the rabbi on that point. I was,↗

2:33:28@kootsislanderI was going to mention my tea.↗

2:33:30Ian MalcolmHang on, yes, hang on, yes. So, Rabbi, I'm curious for your thought. on that, because I was looking around, Iran has one of the highest IQs, on the planet, right? And, and so when we talk about some of these other areas of the world with very high IQs, you, you have obviously Japan and some of the other, Asian countries, but, and Iran might be a byproduct, I suppose, of it, but, in modernity, do, do you wanna speak to that at all? 'Cause it, it, it might exist as an outlier against some of the other theories that have been↗

2:34:04@malleusigI don't see why it would. I mean, Iranians are literally the Aryans, so, I mean, in terms of evolutionary roots of intelligence, it wouldn't match with the European pattern, but there's no reason to believe that other paths towards greater intelligence exist evolutionarily, certainly. The Iranians have certainly proven themselves to be Pretty really good statesman over his, you know, historically, they had an empire that was a famous empire for a very long time. It was the, the bane of the Byzantine Empire for, you know, God knows how long until the Muslims kind of like took over. So,↗

2:34:41@malleusigI don't think there's any kind of contradiction going on at all. I like the Iran, I think every Iranian that I've met has been a good person. I wish I could say the same for Israeli women, but, I can't. I, I've liked every Iranian that I've met.↗

2:34:55Ian MalcolmYeah, no, and, and, the Iranian or, I'm sorry, Aryan piece in terms of, of genetics and the ancestry, it's why it's always so curious to go back and, you know, think about this above and beyond just, obviously when we talk about this, people think of, of the Northern Europeans, right? But, the Iranians, where the Aryans all came from, that whole lineage, and I, I really, I still wanna do-- If anybody has a connection, I, he messages back and forth every now and then publicly↗

2:35:26Ian Malcolmon this idea of primitive man and how it played into, how everybody came about today, he's got some very interesting theories on that, so I'd, I'd welcome it with him one day. Yeah. With that being said, against my better judgment, we're gonna go to the one and only Yitz. I know he wants to push back on Mighty and anything else, in the space that he finds contentious.↗

2:35:46@malleusigAnd just as a concession to you, I want to apologize for singling out Jewish women in my previous comment. I really should just said Israelis.↗

2:35:56@kootsislanderYeah, well, I wanted to point out to my tea that, suffering in Iraq, he, he's in Iraq too. You had, the Han Chinese Empire, the Romans and Greeks, the Aztecs, for example, all of↗

2:36:14Speaker 12these,↗

2:36:17@malleusigI'm sorry, I've never heard of the Romans and the Greeks. Can you explain? So no, no For the content of his beliefs more than anything else, and I think honestly, if you go after a speech impediment, all you're gonna do is generate sympathy for him among any white women listening. So I would advise against that.↗

2:36:52@kootsislanderYeah, so like I mentioned about the Aztecs and the Maya, and of course, you know, and the Israelites, for example. There are plenty of, smart civilizations. The Sapphons were great people back, back in the time, and, there's many great civilizations that existed without, the cold climate. In some ways, you can make the case that smart people nowadays move to nice, beautiful tropical settings. Who wants to freeze to half to death ev-every winter and deal with the snow and ice? It's insane. Which civilization you suck?↗

2:37:25@kootsislanderYou, you mean, you mean today or in the past?↗

2:37:27@malleusigYou said lots of civilization existed, you know, in these warm, comfortable climates. Let's look at one.↗

2:37:33@kootsislanderYes, I mean, you-- I mean, look, the, the Aztecs, for example, had a blood sacrifice, but, you know, they had the concept of zero before Europeans, Europeans developed it in the twelfth century. So clearly they were a superior, really smart people when the Spanish conquistadors arrived, they noticed that, that, that, that, that, the, the, the Was made like a grid, for example. Everything was, brilliantly done. They had great, they had great, great at astronomy, for example.↗

2:38:05@malleusigBut ho-hold on a second. So your, your, your line is that the Aztecs had a superior civilization to the Spanish? In some respects.↗

2:38:15Ian MalcolmYeah, I was, I was gonna question that one because I don't know, there's this Cortez guy I've heard about, Rabbi. I don't know what happened. He showed up with a lightsaber, right?↗

2:38:25@kootsislanderNo,↗

2:38:26@malleusigyeah, I mean, again, you can make the argument that military capability isn't the end-all, be-all of civilizational development, but Cortez, Cortez, when it comes to competition between societies, that does tend to play itself out in warfare with the more technologically and organizationally superior force winning out↗

2:38:45@kootsislanderCortes would never, would never have won without, all of the other, enemies that surrounded the Aztec Empire, whom they, they, they, they were very nasty with, and, and,↗

2:38:57@malleusigand why did those people hate the Aztecs? They made them pay tribute,↗

2:39:00@kootsislanderthey made them pay, pay, a tribute, for example. And those people hated them, and so they gave Cortes, twenty thousand plus men, and, of course, the Europeans also had disease, which was I, I just want to add really quick,↗

2:39:16@joann_marieso I'm Mexican, I literally studied this. Cortez did send little, a lot of letters to Spain saying that Mexico, spe- especially the, Tenochtitlan was really advanced and they did have like a lot of amazing things, but militarily, I'm not one hundred percent sure yet.↗

2:39:38@kootsislanderYeah, I was, I mean, all I'm saying is that they might have defeated the Spanish, had it not been in↗

2:39:43@malleusighuman sacrifices. So again, we can say, sure, they were able to track the movement of the stars pretty well, but, I don't know if I would call that, an advanced society↗

2:39:54@kootsislanderif it was↗

2:39:59@malleusigbased on- Well, well, well,↗

2:40:03@kootsislanderhere's, here's the thing, you know, the Romans, the To the Aztecs, when they would throw someone, yeah, they, well, it was bloody. They'd throw someone to the lions, and the lions would eat, it was, but it wasn't how↗

2:40:19@malleusigtheir society was organized. It wasn't arranged around that. It, it kind of was. It wasn't their religion,↗

2:40:23Ian Malcolmbut, but yet, you know, kind of was, and, yeah, hang on, hang on, hang on. Ke-let's keep in mind, first and foremost, they did have the gladiators. They were also fighting in one of the most↗

2:40:39Ian MalcolmBattles within, right? This is an incredible piece of architecture. It's kind of comical to bring up the Colosseum as exemplary of the downsides of intellect and civilizational accomplishments of this group of people. Yeah, well, also, also, also, you understand, they weren't comparing the funds they used to build the Colosseum↗

2:40:59@malleusigwith, hold on a second, hold on a second, 'cause this has to be taken into consideration. Yitzhak is comparing ancient Rome from Fifteen hundred years before Cortes to the South American societies that Cortes encountered. Cortes literally compared it to Rome. That fifteen hundred years needs to be mentioned.↗

2:41:20@joann_marieCortes did compare it to Rome and he said that it was, more advanced than Rome. I can, I can show you the letter.↗

2:41:27@malleusigNo, that's great, I'm not surprised, fifteen hundred years to catch up and overtake Rome.↗

2:41:34Ian MalcolmWhat I would say, there, there is some very incredible architecture, and, Joanne, if you ever wanna do a space on, on the various pyramids that exist outside of, of Egypt, I know there's one that might play into this story that I'd be very curious for your thoughts on, but, Joanne, when I said I studied↗

2:41:52@joann_mariethis, I meant in normal school, not like pro-professional school. But, yeah, no, Mexico, everybody thinks that they just arrived and there was like only huts here and there. There was like nothing happening. No, there was like a lot of like, the civilization here was pretty cool and-↗

2:42:08@kootsislanderIt was, it was amazing. They actually could even tell time, you know, the, the spot, the ball spot that you would play with the hips was also used, to tell time. But, two points I wanted to get- Wow,↗

2:42:22@malleusigthat's incredible.↗

2:42:23@kootsislanderYes, with the shade, with the shade of the, of the sun. One second, please.↗

2:42:28@malleusigThey were tell time using the sun, get out. Yeah. No, they had↗

2:42:34@joann_mariereally cool, like, like architectural knowledge. I don't know, it was, it was awesome. There is, there is a pyramid that you can see the snake coming down when the, the, the sun hits it in a, in a certain point. It's, it's pretty, pretty amazing. Oh, I know. Yeah.↗

2:42:49@kootsislanderSo, no, my point is, I want to, I want to add,↗

2:42:52@malleusigcomparing, Cortes comparing, the Mayan civilization or the Aztec civilization and ancient Rome is The same as us com- encountering a civilization and comparing it to Byzantium,↗

2:43:03@kootsislanderright? So that's fifteen↗

2:43:05@malleusighundred years removed from us. I, I want to respond to you though. So again, you're saying that it's, it was advanced, it was surprisingly advanced, it's more than you expected, but it's not like it's competing with what we have over here.↗

2:43:15@kootsislanderI, I disagree. The Spaniards had the bloody, they, they had the Inquisition, it was, pretty, pretty nasty. They, they would kill Jews and, and, All, all kinds of reasons, but, that was not, that was not very civilized, that was not very civilized. No civilized↗

2:43:35@malleusigcountry has ever killed Jews.↗

2:43:37@kootsislanderAnd also, I would add, I would add that the Colosseum was partly, was ninety-nine percent funded from all of the gold they stole from the temple.↗

2:43:49@kootsislanderwhat temple? The second temple in, in Jerusalem, of course. In Jerusalem? In Jerusalem.↗

2:43:57@malleusigYeah, so they, they, you're telling me they created the, the Colosseum mostly with the, the gold they looted from the Temple in Jerusalem. And, and Rabbi, now↗

2:44:07Ian Malcolmthere's been another dome that's been created in another place because the gold was also stolen from another place. The story sounds familiar. Again,↗

2:44:15@malleusigthis is like, this is like the Jewish version of like ancient Camelot. Like it's like everything, ex-- and again, it's, it's a very Jewish way to have it is, it's a very Jewish twist, right? Blacks like, we invented everything, and Jews like, we funded everything. Everything is the result of our gold.↗

2:44:31@kootsislanderYeah, against our will, the Romans took the gold from the temple and they used that to fund the Colosseum. This is established, in the documents. Yeah, do you know why?↗

2:44:39@malleusigDo you know why?↗

2:44:40@kootsislanderWhy, why?↗

2:44:40@malleusigBecause Bar Kokhba decided to go around and kill every non-Jew in the land. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And the Romans had to do something about it. No, no, this was, this was before Bar↗

2:44:47@kootsislanderKokhba. This was before, this was before Bar Kokhba. But, in relation to Bar Kokhba, he didn't just kill non-Jews. No, we were fighting for our freedom. Yeah, the same. Just like in Palestine,↗

2:44:58@malleusigright?↗

2:45:00Ian MalcolmYeah, yeah, sure, yeah, Zach↗

2:45:05Speaker 12I shared in the nest above and the pill below two posts of hundreds and hundreds of white or notable Caucasian male inventions, okay? It's one thing to come up with algebra and the abacus, it's another thing to come up with electricity and everything that's resulted from that. So check it out, let's give credit where credit is due, okay, kids? Yeah, well,↗

2:45:29@kootsislandermighty, mighty, what you said, and by the way, about the malleus, said Floyd Marcus,↗

2:45:34Speaker 12malleus. About Yitz, I've heard him talk a hundred times. Number one, I can't take him seriously, not just because of his list, but because of his blatant lies. As Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, France said in eighteen o eight, "The Jews survive via a strategy of lying." That's what they do, thanks.↗

2:45:55@malleusigHe's basically, all he does is Jewish re-worsery, and it's, it's, it's abs- it's painful to listen to. But, that's why, that's why I try to stay away from coming to the zoo. Which includes↗

2:46:05Ian Malcolmeverything from the Geier counter and Kevlar, also mentions, we can't leave out Jello, Kool-Aid, and so many other delicious treats. So I just wanted to bring attention to that.↗

2:46:17@malleusigNotice, notice there's no doorknob because a black man invented that.↗

2:46:22Ian Malcolmcorrect. And don't, don't have too much Jell-O or, or any of the Kool-Aid, 'cause then you won't be able to fit into the Kevlar when they send the world to hell and we're all running around. Yeah, there you go. The↗

2:46:32@kootsislanderthing, the thing might be forgetting, for example, is the first automobile invented by, Siegfried Marcus, who was an Austrian Jew. So the fact that you can drive a car is, thanks to us. So what about, Dripper, Dripper Micro↗

2:46:51@kootsislanderWhy don't you↗

2:46:52Speaker 12compare that to the lists, plural, I put in the nest in the bill, you idiots.↗

2:46:58@kootsislanderYeah, yeah, there are plenty of, E equals MC squared, for example, just endless,↗

2:47:04Speaker 13Actually, Einstein didn't invent that, he took it from an Italian called Eulento de Pretto. I'm so glad you brought that up, 'cause it's a fucking lie. He took it, he was a pack of-- That's right, that's false. You idiot. That's nonsense. Sorry, you made me upset. Eulento de I'm↗

2:47:24@kootsislandergonna take it back now. Are you gonna actually↗

2:47:26Speaker 13admit you were wrong?↗

2:47:27@kootsislanderHow do you explain, Niels Bohr, for example, who was in Oppenheimer, oh my God, these endless Jews who realized that Einstein was debating with Bohr about nuclear↗

2:47:36Ian Malcolmfission and the actual distance and Einstein was wrong. Here's the way we're gonna play the game. This is gonna be entertaining. So, yet, you're going to get to list out what you think is going to be a bright Jewish intellect. We are going to start with Einstein All you get to say is, you get to name them. You said Einstein and the boar, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna give Rob both of those. We're gonna softball them to Rob. Rob, you get thirty seconds on Einstein. Ready, set, go.↗

2:48:08Speaker 13Okay, I've been double muted. Let's just start off the saying, "Look, Einstein married his cousin." You can make of that what you will. He married his cousin. Okay, he was a patent clerk. He took the equation E equals MC squared from an Italian called Galileo de Pretto, who, who actually first theorized and put it into paper, and Einstein just reconceptualized it towards like the whole, you know, what he was conceptualizing behind space and time. So that, that's the reality, okay? Einstein, now the traditional physics These proposals have all have holes in them. Okay, this materialist psyop, which is what all of physics has been pushed towards, to, to Jewish groups, to Jewish intellectual groups, making this, the world seem material when it's actually not, okay? And, and that's what, Max Planck was saying, is that, you know, matter is secondary to kind of spiritual and conscious elements of the universe. Okay? So Einstein was used to perpetuate a psyop to disconnect us from objective truth about the, about the, about the universe. Okay? So Bohr's, it↗

2:49:06Speaker 13Einstein about quantum entanglement, and Einstein was now demonstrably wrong. He called it spooky action at a distance. He didn't believe that quantum entanglement was possible. He didn't believe in the unified field, which is now- No, no,↗

2:49:17@kootsislanderhis own theories proved that. He, he believed in it, he just didn't like it. He didn't like it. Hold on,↗

2:49:22Ian MalcolmI will mute you. Rob, you've got another thirty seconds on boards, and then we'll go for Yitz to push back, and then he can also give you a third name↗

2:49:31Speaker 13No, that's okay, I can just land there. It's because, like, it's now not a debate anymore, okay? Einstein was wrong, okay? He, the, the, the only thing that's really valuable is his, like, you know, postulations on space-time, the fourth dimension, okay? That's the only thing that's really useful anymore, okay? So Einstein was wrong. The only thing that Einstein was right about was saying that, look, Israel shouldn't be in Palestine. We need to get out of there because these owners are crazy. You can go and↗

2:49:53Speaker 13read his↗

2:50:02Speaker 13A huge one. All↗

2:50:03Ian Malcolmright, yeah, and yes, you get, thirty seconds to push back, and then you get a third Jewish inventor that you can reference, and then we'll see what Rob says.↗

2:50:12@kootsislanderYeah, so my response to that is that he's just clearly, jealous and he wants to down, downplay Einstein. That's what's going on. How can you like, like, time dilation, for example, or all of the, all of the theories or co-actors, this is just, this is-- I am not an expertise on science, so I can't speak much in terms of expertise. It's not my area.↗

2:50:36@kootsislanderBecause, well, because it's just, it's, it's clear as day. I mean, you, you need a scientific basis to↗

2:50:42Speaker 13have an opinion, but you don't have that basis. So it's- He's defending↗

2:50:45@kootsislanderjewelry, that's why. As I mentioned to Ian, I believe two days ago, about a quarter of American Jews, earn about two hundred thousand dollars annually, that's, the regular population, it's only nineteen percent. I mean, clearly, we are very bright people, and, you, you know, we are cultural members of the system, and↗

2:51:07@malleusigcorruption. Wait, he's debating you about the origin of E equals M C squared, and you just kind of give up on that and go right to, "We have more money." Like, like your, your argument is It's like Jews have more money, like you know you're not helping yourself, are you?↗

2:51:21@kootsislanderWell, I'm not an expert on it, but, I mean it's, like, like, like just, like, like I said, just endless, scientists, and you could try to Play games and say it was stolen, and say it was fake and nonsense, but, the truth is we're not really, we're not really the ones playing↗

2:51:38@malleusiggames here, yeah. As a matter of fact, I looked up your claim about the automobile, and maybe, maybe Google is an anti-Semite, but like, Google gave me Carl Benz. What was the name of the guy that invented the↗

2:51:52Ian Malcolmautomobile? Wait, Rabbi, Rabbi, I didn't even invent the automobile. I really dug into it. I knew Carl Benz, would be on there, but I took it a Combustion engine. The response from Grok: All 19th century Europeans who were instrumental in the construction of the combustion engine in the early automobiles came from entirely Christian backgrounds and families. Jewish inventors contributed zero to the early automobile technologies. But this isn't in the core group discussed. That's what the Nazis wanted you to↗

2:52:28@kootsislanderbelieve. That's, that's not what the Nazis, they, they- The ones who tried to delete the memory, but they failed. And, that's, that's what-- Because the wind cars are made in↗

2:52:38Speaker 14Israel today. Is Israel actually manufacturing these cars with this Jewish technology? Why is it so-- There he is.↗

2:52:45Speaker 12The bulldozer has arrived. Jewish Kryptonite is here.↗

2:52:49Speaker 14Karl Benz was the one who first perfected, mastered the combustible engine, by the way, and he had a patent for it. That's documented. The Nazis couldn't-- National Socialists can't hide that. It's fact. It's documented. He was the credited with that technology. And yes, Mercedes-Benz, the founder of Mercedes-Benz, is still around to this day. So why didn't these Jewish scientists then figure out how to mass-produce this engine and create cars out of it? And as far as, and you wanna talk about what Jewish scientists or engineers have done, yeah, let's talk about Dr. Death from the Soviet Union. You know what he mastered? How to wipe people out with fucking poisons. And he was using, well, of course, Russians and other, and Germans as well to experiment on. That's what you guys are good at, is creating poisons. And since you wanna mention child or s-- human sacrifices from the Aztecas, why don't you talk about the fact that Jews have been doing that for thousands of years, and that's part of↗

2:53:42Speaker 14Yeah, Trent, Christian, Christian blood↗

2:53:44@kootsislanderwas much, it's been a great conversation. Yeah, Christian blood is what you guys like↗

2:53:47Speaker 14to suck on to try to, what, find salvation, as well. well, look, Ian, look, Ian, if this, if↗

2:53:52@kootsislanderthis character is gonna be on, I might as well leave. I, I don't, I don't know. You don't have to take the blood in bed. You don't have to take the blood in↗

2:53:58Ian Malcolmbed. If Mighty Thor literally referred to Ruth as Jewish Kryptonite, and he comes into↗

2:54:12Ian MalcolmYes,↗

2:54:13Speaker 14put up a fight. Yes,↗

2:54:15@malleusiglet's go. Yes has the, yes has the lack of self-awareness to call someone else a caricature, that's the best part of it.↗

2:54:22@kootsislanderHe has an abrasive personality and I don't he, he is angry and I have nothing to do with my↗

2:54:28Speaker 14abrasive personality. I thought you were tough. Yo, yo, now I understand. I thought the whole point of Vigil was to give you guys a homeland so you could express how strong and powerful you guys are. Most, most of the people in Japan don't have US technology backing↗

2:54:41@kootsislanderyou, right? I want to mention↗

2:54:43Speaker 14Oppenheimer, you guys didn't even create nuclear energy either, that was also done by German scientists. You guys didn't even figure out how to what V2, V2 fuel tech was about, it was Werner von Braun that did that, he's the one that developed the aeronautical division within the US, all you guys did was steal it and give it away to the USSR. You remember Ethel and, Julius Rosenberg? They stole secrets from the US and then gave, gave it up to the USSR, 'cause of course Jews irrespective of whether they're atheists or Yes, this, this one, can you remind us of the, what was the, the outcome of their treachery and betrayal? Like you, President Trump, will not side, will not side as an American born, and he just also, wait,↗

2:55:26@malleusigwait, hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're stuck. Okay. You don't just get to call people Nazi scum. in this space. Okay? Then there is, there is a, there's a point where it's disagreement, there's a point where it's, okay, I'm going to engage in dishonest, argumentation, and we're actually okay letting you do that. But if you're gonna come up here and actionably defame someone, we're gonna have to give you a notice that you're gonna have, you can put in timeout if you keep doing it. You understand?↗

2:56:00@kootsislanderWell, it's okay, Malias, because I'm going to leave anyway. I, I can't stand, I want nothing to do with them. I don't want to communicate with them. I'll miss you so much. Oh, you make it,↗

2:56:11@joann_marieyou make him sad, Yates.↗

2:56:12@kootsislanderI'm Israel High, and that's all I have. 1885, Carl Benz, he patented on the combustible engine.↗

2:56:19Speaker 14Then, Yates, look it up. Your Jew boy didn't invent shit. Stop taking credit for other people's work. Okay, I, I hope, I hope you don't come up with equal equals m c squared. That was discovered two years before he claimed it as his own. Stealing other people's work and not stopping to know how to do it. And I hope you also take some, And celebrated it. You guys are just a bunch of frauds. Now go run and cry.↗

2:56:44@kootsislanderBe locked in jail, enjoy your time in jail when they catch you for fraud. And it's, it's, it's↗

2:56:50@joann_mariealways like, why are they like this?↗

2:56:53Speaker 14You know what's funny to me is, you guys talk about fraud, who's the master of fraud? Who's committed the biggest frauds in history? You. You don't, you don't, you don't believe in the moon. Millions of dollars. You don't-- Why don't we talk about Michael Milken and how hundreds of millions of dollars he ripped off from his clients? You don't believe that we talked about seven billion to the moon, so you're not in the world. What does↗

2:57:20@kootsislanderthe moon have to do↗

2:57:21Speaker 14with anything?↗

2:57:21@kootsislanderYou have, no, and no, and he, he doesn't believe the moon landings. You're Israelite. The↗

2:57:28Speaker 14actual moon landing. Hey, yes, can you explain to me why they didn't show the launch from the moon back to the Earth? Can you explain that? Be something they want to celebrate in the brand blog. Wouldn't that be a great flex? Can you explain that?↗

2:57:44@kootsislanderHe thinks the moon is made out of blue cheese, perhaps.↗

2:57:46@joann_marieYeah, it's, explain, explain it.↗

2:57:48Speaker 14Like↗

2:57:49@kootsislanderI said, I think the moon is made out of blue cheese. No, no, no, no, no, explain it now. I think↗

2:57:52Speaker 14the blue cheese. I mean, there's the Jew logic for you. It's, it's not↗

2:57:56@kootsislandermy-- To this guy, two plus two equals apple↗

2:57:59Speaker 14pie. You're not even lactose tolerant, okay? You↗

2:58:19@malleusigHey, just to back this dude up, man, anybody knows Howard Lutnick? Anybody? He has crossed many, many I would love to have a conversation with you, but nobody↗

2:58:43Speaker 11seems to want to have conversation.↗

2:58:45@malleusigHold on, hold on, hold on. Let me finish what I'm saying. I'm inclined to be generous towards you because at the very least, Jews can-- Jews can claim Bernhard Getz, and for me, he's a hero. So why don't you say, you're-- Finish what you were saying, and then we'll go to someone else, okay?↗

2:59:01@kootsislanderWell, yes, I am finished, but, I'm going to have to go soon anyway. But,↗

2:59:10@malleusigFantastic, thank you very much.↗

2:59:12@kootsislanderAnd that was↗

2:59:14Speaker 14the- Gregory Marjanovsky, he was a doctor from the USSR, he invented lots of poisons that murdered people. That's what the Jews are good at doing. You can take credit for the vaccines too, you guys did invent some of those that have murdered millions, congratulations. And make sure you get your six month vax, right? Get, make sure you get all seventy doses that your doctors recommend, 'cause that's good health, right? Yeah.↗

2:59:35@kootsislanderI, I will, I, I will get all the vaccines, any vaccine↗

2:59:39Speaker 14I can get↗

2:59:43@kootsislanderVaccine,↗

2:59:45Speaker 14just↗

2:59:49@kootsislanderlike your↗

2:59:50Ian Malcolmbeloved↗

2:59:51@kootsislanderdog, you think is great. I, you enjoy COVID.↗

2:59:59Speaker 14Wait, wait↗

3:00:04@malleusigNo, they have, guys, they have a different vaccine. You know this right? They, they have, in Israel, they get the good vaccine that hyper, like, gives you hyper-fertility.↗

3:00:15Speaker 14He sounds vaccinated. For the first time in his life, yeah.↗

3:00:19@kootsislanderI'm in America, so even if they did, I'm not receiving it. I believe John had a question for me. Jewish hospitals in↗

3:00:24Speaker 14New York, so what difference does it make? They work with Israel.↗

3:00:27@kootsislanderokay, that's, that's absurd. And they're in California↗

3:00:30Speaker 14too, actually. Really? Are you telling me there isn't a Jewish hospital in California and also in New York? No, no, no. The idea that they get Israeli vaccines, it's, it's just like a different vaccine. Fongolo when he got busted for fraud, right? Okay, so, so John, did John have a question for me? He went to a kosher jail in New York, and then when he needed medical treatment, he went to the medical facilities for Jews only. Interesting how that works, like an apartheid system in New York. So, so↗

3:00:59@kootsislanderJohn, did you have a question for me? Because otherwise, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,↗

3:01:05@malleusigI'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm↗

3:01:13Speaker 14gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I↗

3:01:15@malleusigRight, right, right. So if the truth is finished, we're gonna go to the next hand. Let's say Andy Jones,↗

3:01:21@kootsislanderJohn, John, if John has to leave, leave, get the fuck out while you're↗

3:01:25Speaker 14at↗

3:01:26@kootsislanderit.↗

3:01:26Ian MalcolmYes, yes, I'll make it really easy for you to leave. I hit the button. Goodbye. And if↗

3:01:31Speaker 12he's gonna, if he's gonna character assassinate, I'm gonna continue to call him a lisping faggot.↗

3:01:36Ian MalcolmThanks.↗

3:01:40@malleusigNo, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you can do whatever Mandarang, go. Fifty fro. Right, exactly. Right. So, who is-- Ian, were you keeping track of who's next? Oh, we're, we're at, we're at a bar fight. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,↗

3:01:55@kootsislanderdude. Hey, my hand's been up here for a long time,↗

3:01:57Ian Malcolmright?↗

3:02:01@malleusigYeah, but we don't have to do the other, and tie this thing up. Oh, I mean, hey, if, if you wanna bounce back, please stop. Thank you, thank you. No, listen, How long you've had your hand up. If someone has had their hand up longer than you, they're going before you.↗

3:02:20Ian MalcolmStop using that logic, Rabbi. I think we've got, Baste and Titus and then Zora, and then we'll go back to John. I think you should go for it. Every hand is on the table. I, I think↗

3:02:32@joann_marieyou should stop drinking, Sarah. Okay. Go for it, Baste.↗

3:02:38Speaker 15Hey, what's going on, guys? How you doing?↗

3:02:42Speaker 15Kinda just joined the space, heard a lot about like history, kind of European triumphs, some success stories, some, you know, pinpoints where, you know, maybe some Jews were distorting their, maybe inventions and stuff, but I'm kind of a forward thinker here, and I'm kind of wondering what people think on like, you know, current events and, you know,↗

3:03:08Speaker 15Stuff of that nature, and, you know, you look at the AI space right now, and it seems like it's overwhelmingly kind of, you know, I would say controlled by Jews, but disproportionately they have the upper hand there, and I'm kind of wondering like, you know, what can we do, you know, to, you know, kind of- Get her hands in there and, you know, have like a, you know,↗

3:03:41Speaker 15I'm having a loss of words here. I'm trying to-- I'm not really, on spaces too much, so I, I apologize here. Yeah, yeah. So how do we get in and↗

3:03:49@malleusigchallenge? How do we challenge? Yeah, challenge↗

3:03:51Speaker 15kind of the system, get her, get, get ourselves out there, kind of get some power. 'cause if you think of AI, it's really everything right now, and it's frustrating to see that, you know, a lot of technocrats have a lot of power, and predominantly they are Jewish, so it's like, you know, how do we get, you know, our hands in there? Like, what, what does the future hold here? Like, what's, what↗

3:04:15@malleusigTo be honest, I don't think we can pull it off because we're not good at this. but the only, the only way to do it is the way the Jews did it, and what that means is we need to disconnect from We need to, we need to look at the mainstream culture and information, you know, industry around us as hostile. We need to accept that, you know, as a group, that the news, YouTube, you know, all the accepted entertainment, outlets, et cetera, they serve someone else's interests, and I think we've covered who those interests are, and we need to create our own, versions of the truth. And share them among ourselves, and it needs to start kind of underground first, because as soon as someone tries to do anything publicly, it gets attacked and it gets lawfared into oblivion, like what we're seeing with, Return to the Land right now. You know, you try and do something nice for your own people, and there's gonna be some Jewish person somewhere that decides to sue you for doing it, right? So I would encourage everyone to create things like, you know, you can create a website, create a website, put it behind a password, and then Use that to share your information with your people, right?↗

3:05:28@malleusigcreate an anonymous Substack, you know, things like that. Get out there and start writing, because this is where Jews have dominated, because they are very literary people. They're very, they've always been very literate, and they weaponize the fact that most people, when they read something, they just kind of assume that it's true, otherwise somebody would have said something. So you need to start doing, leveraging the same phenomenon and,↗

3:05:55@malleusigstart writing. If you're just talking, then you're just talking and, and the words disappear as soon as they leave your mouth. but write things down and start creating our own body of literature, news, and opinion, and really build it out that way. That's the only way we can start it.↗

3:06:15Speaker 15Yeah, I think that's, that's really good input there. You know, but if you look at the, the great advancements of the world, it is really AI and they really have the upper hand there, and they're doing really well. Like it's like, almost like you have to kind of take that battle on, like head on, rather than deflecting it or like shutting it down or something like that, and really strive for those technological advances. No, I know some of the things you can kind of tune out, that's like, you know, maybe like CNN or like some of those, you know, media outlets that are kind of cancerous. I get that, but, you know, I think you really have to kind of take the issue, like the, the thing head on almost, more so.↗

3:06:55Speaker 15that's kind of my thoughts.↗

3:06:56@malleusigYeah. Sure. And there's actually, there's a lot of ground where people can go in, and if you have a computer science background, or if you don't even, you can actually You can use AI to teach yourself how to create better AIs. Like when it comes to things like machine learning and LLMs, what do we want? We, well, what we really want is an LLM that's unbiased and, you know, on,↗

3:07:24@malleusigon what's the word, you know, doesn't have a Jewish, a Jewish thumb on the scale, right? And the only way to do that is to get in and, and figure out how to train your own AI, right? How to build an AI, how to train it, and And I would recommend everyone get, start getting into it. You can just find an existing AI, and instead of trying to convince it that, no, Schindler's List wasn't a documentary, 'cause you'll never be able to do that,↗

3:07:50@malleusigask it how to create your own LLM, and then train your own LLM with, you know, Truth Teller's space audio, which is probably the, the best way to do this, or whatever your collection is of, Holocaust evidence Or David Irving books, and train it with that and then give yourself, a huge advantage and that kind of thing. Maybe you can, you know, set up, I know rags are kind of going out of, out of fashion, but look into creating a, a retrieval augmented, you know, what is it? Generation, I think it is, rag is, and,↗

3:08:25@malleusigseed it with, all this information that we know can't be pushed back on, and then you have it at your fingertips when you wanna get into debate, debate with somebody. And then you can actually share the LM with others.↗

3:08:39Speaker 15Yeah, no, I agree. I, I'm kind of shocked there's like nothing really out there yet. I know like uncensored AI, it's one thing, but I think it's like teabagged and I think it's a little-- it's not good either. I'd like use it a little bit, but, you know, maybe eventually something like that will come out. But,↗

3:08:56@malleusigWell, don't just wait for something to come out, right? See if you can make it. Yeah, yeah,↗

3:08:59Speaker 15for,↗

3:09:00@malleusigyou know, you, you have, you have the ability to create. You have the ability to go and do stuff, and I'm just saying it to you, based bets, everyone listening, don't be a passive observer, right? If you want to know the number one, number one way to lose a battle is to be a passive observer and just wait to see who wins.↗

3:09:19@malleusigGo out there and, and contend, compete, right? At the very least, even if you don't win single handedly like Jackie Chan at the end of the movie, at the very least you've made it incrementally harder for the bad guys to win↗

3:09:33Speaker 15Right on. And then I have one more, one more thing to kind of point to make here, and it's, you know, po-politically speaking here rather than, you know, technology, is, you know, I'm pretty optimistic about the future where it's like, you know, I feel like a lot of the younger generation, Gen Z, like myself, are more like pro, like, America, pro kind of nationalists, against the war, is not really in favor of Israel.↗

3:10:01Speaker 15You think that's just like, eventually time will come and, you know, the kind of the boomers obviously pass away, and do you see that changing, like, like maybe the next twenty years? Like, what are you-- Yeah. Yeah, do you think it's almost like inevitable at this point? Yeah. I mean, I kind of feel like it is, like, as a forward thinker, like↗

3:10:21@malleusigWell, the question is, yeah, you really gotta, 'cause like, yeah, you gotta have a game plan. Yeah. Base bets, 'cause what are they gonna do? 'Cause like, right now, I see happening in America is what happened in Germany. People are waking up. The economy is tanking, right? That's when people begin to say to themselves, "Hey, why is the economy tanking?" And that investigation, investigation inevitably leads them to the real source of the economy tanking. And that's, that's usually when, those people decide to, start a big war and exterminate the people that are noticing why the economy's tanking. And so we need to be ready for that, and we need to figure out how we're going to either prevent the war from happening, or win it, which is kind of a↗

3:11:06@malleusigNo, I'm not really sure how that would work. or, see how, how many people we can wake up before they're, they are able to do it.↗

3:11:14Speaker 15Yeah, like I get the notion like history repeats itself, but I mean, I feel like if you look at the economy right now, it's like Unreal, it's better than ever. Like, is there gonna be a time maybe when it tanks? Like, there could be, but maybe it's like, you know, kind of a good new game plan, like you don't have to wait for history to happen, like, oh, the economy's gotta tank. It's, you know, maybe it's different this time around. You don't know, like, you know, sometimes things change. Like, I, I, as of right now, the economy's, is, is great, so,↗

3:11:43Speaker 15you know, I, I↗

3:11:50Speaker 15You know, I don't know, like it, it could be different.↗

3:11:53@malleusigYeah, well, history doesn't really repeat itself, but it does tend to rhyme, so watch out for that.↗

3:11:58Speaker 15Yeah, no, you're right. Cool.↗

3:12:03@joann_marieAlright, amazing. Thank you so much for coming up. And guys, please repost this page and follow Ian and Rabbi and Truth and everyone in the panel. It's just absolutely, absolutely brilliant. Zara, welcome, go for it.↗

3:12:17Speaker 16Yes, my dear friend, I need a mic check 'cause, the app is terrible. Thank you. You're good. Awesome. Yes, to Ian, Joanne, Rabbi, and the speakers, my friends, God bless you all. Thank you for having me. To the listeners, I originally came up because, been having a rough day, and, wanted to say thank you to that asshole, hahaha, Mighty Thor, who made me laugh with his, suffering shtatash comment. But, but,↗

3:12:48Speaker 16You can't have me not speak up when either Christianity, Armenian culture, or cars come up, and, Ian jumped on it before I could with, Karl Benz. The other thing was, we have another awesome, German gentleman by the name of Diesel, who was Rudolf Diesel, who shortly after Mr. Karl Benz in↗

3:13:17Speaker 161886, Mr. Diesel in Invented the diesel engine in eighteen ninety-two, and I do know these as a matter of fact, my friends, but full disclosure, I'm referencing some, brave searches so I'm getting the dates correct, but yeah, there's German invention that's basically dominated anything car related, and God bless them, 'cause I love my BMWs, as an Armenian, it's a stereotype, but I wanted to share a, a little tidbit with, our friend, Yitz, who just, I guess, went away, but if the ancient Hebrew means anything, my friends, the name Isaac, which we've adapted in English from the Hebrew Yitzchak, which is what, you know, Yitz's name is, it means to like giggle or to laugh. So I couldn't think of a more appropriate name for a man coming up to Twitter Spaces trying to spew bullshit and fake facts to try to convince us about stuff that, you know, he thinks, he can be proud of when it's all fake. So, yeah, I thought that was awesome. I wanted to share the meaning of his name and correct the record on the car stuff. So that's what I had, my friends. Thank you.↗

3:14:36@malleusigBye. And actually, Zoro, I don't know if you knew this, I just found this out myself recently, I didn't tell you yet already, but, did you know that there's no evidence for the existence of the nation of Israel until sixty six A.D. Did you know this?↗

3:14:54Speaker 16Oh, this is beautiful. Plea- Please elaborate, brother.↗

3:14:57@malleusigSo the, I was watching a video, it was made by a Jewish researcher talking with a Jewish interviewer in Israel, they're both Israelis, right? And he was talking about how the earliest, like, architectural evidence we have for the existence of a, of a nation of Israel literally is a coin That says Israeli shekel that comes from 66 AD. There's nothing before that. There's nothing outside of scripture, like written down, which is like copied and recopied, and can honestly come from any time, right? But so like, if we take out anything that can be like, that can be like retrofitted, like can be like, what was the word?↗

3:15:38@malleusigNot retro, re- What's the, what's, what do you call when you, you put something that you wanna change what happened in the past and move it, retroactive? Not retro, re- Retrospect. No, God, what, there's, there's a word for it, there's a word the kids use. Repurpose. Not repurpose. I'll, I'll find it, don't worry. But like, it, there's, if you take out anything that can be like adjusted in the future, like to, like make up for the↗

3:16:05@joann_mariepast↗

3:16:07@malleusigNot refurbished, don't-- You're killing me. I'll look it up. But if you take out anything, like anything that's like written, literary, evidence for the nation of Israel, like, and just go to third party, like, objective evidence for it existing, like, inscriptions on temples or coins or mosaics, right? The earliest evidence we have for Israel, Israel existing, is literally 66 AD, right? There's nothing before that. which I thought was crazy, and for me was a huge, huge thing. and I, I wish maybe next time we get Yitz up, we can, we can ask him what he thinks about that.↗

3:16:45Speaker 16Yeah, we can expect a lot of crazy stuff happening from, from my answer from, from Yitz, but what I can leave you with this is, is this, brother, is if I, I, if I always wanna reference, you know, Christianity, God being the creator and His children being the creation of the creator. Have a propensity to be like their father, so they have the ability to create, which kind of lends this almost divine aspect of being able to create something when it comes to architecture, structure, even art, they could even go abstract. When you talk about Satan and the synagogue of Satan↗

3:17:26Speaker 16Satan's best tool is just like the first law of thermodynamics, you can't create matter or destroy it. What he does is he inverts it. He takes what it is and says that it was him that did it. where have we seen this in history play out so many times, when, you have a civilization and it, let's say, gets subverted, and all of a sudden what it was now is called something else. Isn't that interesting, brother? Isn't that interesting what the tactics, you know, allude to?↗

3:17:57@malleusigYeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and, Joe and Trutiller, I remember the word. The word is retconned. Thank you. Sorry. Just wanted to put that to rest. But yes, no, it's like, it's their, their domain is lies. Their domain is manipulating, not objective truth, but manipulating what people say about it, and you encounter this in every single debate with them. You-- I've had, I can count the number of debates on my finger, on my, on one hand that I've had with Jews that have been limited to objective reality. And that's only within the first five minutes, because inevitably it spirals into, "Well, if we redefine this word, then it's actually false, right?" But as long as we all work inside the bounds of accepted English meaning,↗

3:18:46@malleusigI've never had a conversation with a Jew that didn't already agree with me. That successfully pushed back on any of our assertions, or stayed within the realm of, of logic and reason. And you have to ask yourself, if that pattern repeats so often and so reliably, what the hell is going on here? Are we dealing with a cultural thing? Are we dealing with a genetic thing? Are we dealing with,↗

3:19:14@malleusigsome kind of mental illness that is, has become pervasive? What exactly is going on? But the- One thing we can agree on is that after enough interaction with these people, you begin to understand why every single European country at one point or another decided that trying to talk with them was a complete waste of time.↗

3:19:37Speaker 10And if I can, Rabbi, if I could pitch in real quick, I'm sure yesterday or the day before you mentioned, how they kept adjusting their religion after each new country they were, hosting, right? Yeah.↗

3:19:51Speaker 14Yeah.↗

3:19:52Speaker 10I mean, what did Jesus attack the priests for? I didn't even think about how, how diabolical that part was. Right. It's almost as, as diabolical as "Im, " "Plain Immigrant Song" at the beginning of the↗

3:20:02@malleusigspace. Right. Remember what Jesus attacked them for at the end of the New Testament? Jesus attacked the priests. What did he say about them? He said, "You hide the truth, and you don't allow others to enter in." Right. He's saying that, I believe, he said that because essentially the Hebrew priests had- Taken upon themselves the right to edit J- Jewish history. They had allowed themselves to go in, edit their own history, and keep the truth from even their own people, right? And use that editing process to rule Israel.↗

3:20:37Speaker 10And doesn't that make it more of a scam than a religion if you think about it?↗

3:20:41@malleusigYeah. Yeah, it's, except they scammed themselves first. You know?↗

3:20:47Speaker 10That's, that's the crazy part, right?↗

3:20:49@malleusigThat is absolutely nuts. I see Angela Sand is trying to get up furiously. I will bring you up, but remember there's like five people in front of you. Oh, I can't bring him 'cause there's no space on the- I'm sorry, Angela Sandridge, there's no space on the stage, so we need to get through some hands first. alright, let's go. Thank you, Jorah, and we'll go to Ian, who's next?↗

3:21:13@malleusigI have no idea.↗

3:21:14@froemelandyI've been up for↗

3:21:15Speaker 10a long time. You guys mind if I go, alright, you know what, Andy, go ahead, you've been waiting, bro.↗

3:21:19@froemelandyYeah, yeah, I mean, going back to Yitz, it's, what he was doing first of all, I'm gonna start with that, was completely ridiculous. First, he called Truth IRDC, then he flipped and called Truth a Nazi. So let's first, go to the- That was wild. Let's go to the absurdity of that argument that he goes to two things that in Islamic theocracy are kind of different ideologies to begin with, so the fact that just tell you how dumb he is. If you're gonna g-go as a baseless insult, at least don't do two back to back that Contradict each other, and then going to physical differences with races, I mean, if you wanna look at, I mean, weights and stuff like black women on average are a bit fatter than white women, I mean, that's a known fact, the average black woman is 5'4" 187, the average white woman is, 5'3.5" 170, so that's a physical difference there, and then obviously the IQ thing is well-studied. I mean, you can just look at You can just look at SAT scores, facts like that, and I mean, obviously you could say there's some factors with socioeconomic status, but that doesn't explain all of it. Like even if you go to look at people, let's say at my high school, like I could just tell the black people at the high school I went to weren't as smart as the white people, like a lot of them just weren't as smart. So there is a racial IQ difference. It's, it's just a fact there.↗

3:22:50@froemelandyIt's, it's, it's just a fact. Like it has to be acknowledged. Like that doesn't mean, oh, all black people are dumb and all white people are geniuses. That's not true at all. There's plenty of idiot white people. I mean, we see them come up to our space every night and chill for ridiculous theories. And like hell, we have white people come into our spaces and say, come up with a ridiculous theory. Like one last night in True Space said the Iran war was because they wanted to take out Iran's drones so they couldn't give them to China. So yeah, there's plenty of dumb white people Just look at all of some of these MAGA influencers, but then you have- I think that guy was↗

3:23:25Speaker 14actually black, by the way, 'cause his buddies were following him in there too.↗

3:23:29@froemelandyOh, he, oh, he was black, okay. I couldn't even tell, but reg- regardless, yeah. But I mean, yeah, like, I'm just making a point that it doesn't mean all white people are smart and all black people are dumb, it's about the law of averages. And yeah, it's ridiculous that he is just trying to say, "Oh, Jewish people are smart because we developed a nuclear weapon." Yeah, congrats, you developed a, you helped develop a weapon that you can use to genocide people. That's what you're known for. You're bragging about the one thing that you're known for and that people hate you guys for, having a gen-- the genocidal, fake, engaged state of Israel. So, like, that should just tell you how low IQ they are. Like, you think that's a brag that you created a weapon of mass↗

3:24:12@froemelandyNot something that most people are supportive. Most people don't think nuclear weapons are cool and amazing. Like, oh, I mean, they created you, I guess that's something Zeus created. So, and again, that's not something most people like and support. So, again, that's another failure on their part. So, of course, they're not gonna brag about that one because they know that Most people don't like that, at least you didn't go up and brag and say, "Hey, we created usury." But it's just really funny that you can't really come up with things that Jews created. Like, I mean, at least Blacks, they have rap music and they have sports and stuff, so you can at least give them credit for that, like. But I mean, Jews, I mean, they don't really have anything.↗

3:24:55@froemelandyI mean, they killed Christ, I mean, and they commit genocide, and they helped create a nuke.↗

3:25:07@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, Andy. Go for it, Amido.↗

3:25:11Speaker 10Yeah, you know, when you first said that the debate was done, I was a little bit shocked, but I do think we kind of started wrong 'cause we already agreed before we even started the debate, but I think it mattered why we thought they were gifted, and, you know, black people are gifted and- all people are gifted with their own, I mean, I talk about the Bajau people a lot, the deep sea fishermen and their large spleens, and so I find, I find that part fascinating, just like I like observing different dog breeds and seeing what they're good at, and, I've been interested in the greyhounds and kind of comparing them to cheetahs a little bit because they both run long distances really fast and rest all the time. So I like finding these kinds of↗

3:25:53Speaker 10synchronicities and, and, and I, I find that the difference is really cool, and I have no issues with them, you know, at face value, but something I wanted to kind of paint a picture of both countries permeate a really good culture that all humans like That's why people, they're always talking about why the third worlders always wanna live around white people. I think they have really good systems that are compatible with humanity, like just think about the First Amendment, which is exclusively American, but with the internet, I feel like that culture is kinda spreading in its own way, but As language speaking creatures, of course we, we would benefit from and enjoy the ability to say whatever we want. It's very intuitive, and all humans are language speaking creatures. So even though white people innovated it, it's still compatible with everyone else. It has to get the credit, it has to be considered an American accomplishment. But I think of it as not just an American accomplishment, but a human accomplishment. And there's a lot of these kind of breakthroughs and kind of, human-friendly innovations in first world societies, Europe Societies, et cetera, and all kinds of advanced societies passing down their stuff.↗

3:27:05Speaker 10so I wanted to kind of paint that picture 'cause we were agreeing before that first world non-whites exist, and I think that shows you how much the culture plays a role, language plays a role, and, even if there are racial differences, we have talked about the IQ tests, and I wanna find out what those are. I mean, it would be really surprising if black people were the smartest. I would, I, I would find that very funny, but I'm just saying I have doubts about the IQ test because of the things I mentioned, and I think they're very valid reasons. And we disagreed on, whites being uniquely creative, but not-- but we didn't disagree that they are very creative, and what I was trying to paint the picture thereof was, basically by having top-down control of all cognitive abilities via high PFC usage. A lot of race realists bring up the frontal lobe differences, so I'm surprised you guys Maybe I'm not com- understanding where I'm coming from, but I'm trying to tell you, top-down control of your cognition is the human superpower, and all humans do it relatively well, but Europeans and first worlders do it exceptionally well, and humans who live in first world countries learn, pick up on this thing, and so I feel like there's a universality here where we can agree that the PFC is vital for human function and determines how they operate, and first world countries have discovered How to like work around that, and maybe we can optimize that, but,↗

3:28:28Speaker 10it's compatible with all of humanity, and so there's no reason to alienate other people necessarily. We could talk about skull sizes and the brain sizes, but generally speaking, I think we can all agree that anyone can be a first worlder↗

3:28:42@malleusigOh no, no, we wouldn't agree with that at all. Oh my God, anyone? No, no, no, no. a-and again, I-- we didn't have time to get into, brain chemistry, but, or like the, you know, brain architecture or structure or anything like that. but I did prepare, some of my own research on racial differences in neurobiology, and, if I can just find it.↗

3:29:08@malleusigbut, there are huge differences in the- TFC aren't, isn't not, the biggest difference. if you look at-- Here we go. I can ask you, I can ask you in the, in the form of some questions here. So you're a neuro guy, so you should know this. What brain structure is linked to the regulation of compassion, empathy, taste, perception, motor control, self-awareness, cognitive functioning, interpersonal relationships, and awareness of homeostatic emotions such as hunger, pain, and fatigue?↗

3:29:43Speaker 10It should be either the frontal lobe or the PFC.↗

3:29:47@malleusigno, it is the insular cortex or the insula. and the next question is this: Population level analyses revealed that racial groups with thicker average cortices of what brain structure exhibit heightened aggregate empathy, emotional regulation, that's a big one, and interpersonal trust? Using MRI meta-analysis in behavioral epidemiology.↗

3:30:16Speaker 10But social function is, highly determined by the PFC and the frontal lobe. No, no, no, no,↗

3:30:20@malleusigno, that's not the, that's not the answer to the question. Do you, do you know the answer to the question?↗

3:30:25Speaker 10No, I, I'm just referring back to when you were talking about the insula. You can, you can,↗

3:30:29@malleusigif you want the excuse, wait until you get the answer to argue with the answer, but the answer is, again, the insula. Alright. Now, this is where we get into it. Which groups exhibit the thickest insular cortices?↗

3:30:47Speaker 10I'm not familiar with that, but okay, let's-- Can we get back to this? I'm not↗

3:30:55@malleusigfamiliar, but I'm gonna tell you who it is. Hold on, Amira, Am I want the answers. The answer is Europeans and East Asians have the thickest insular cortices. Okay? This is important. You have a brain structure that manages things like interpersonal relationships, motor control, compassion, empathy, self-awareness Emotional regulation, okay? And you find out that it is thicker in Europeans and East Asians and thinner and has different connectivity patterns, by the way, in Black America or Blacks, right?↗

3:31:49@malleusigthen you have a significant difference, right? That is going to-- Not only is going to be-- Rabbi, with↗

3:31:56Speaker 10all due respect,↗

3:31:57@malleusigthe mechanical difference, what is the-- Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, I, I'm not that long-winded. Just let me finish before you interrupt. You have a correlation here between a larger insula Right? And the insula, we know, I just went over what it's responsible for. You have a thicker one, and we know that a thicker insula corresponds to,↗

3:32:20@malleusigbetter use of these attributes. And then you find out that in one group, you have a much thinner insula, on average, not every individual, but you have a thinner insula compared to Europeans. All right? For me, this is a slam dunk. What do you say about that?↗

3:32:39Speaker 10It's not a slam dunk, and I'm not arguing emotionally, when you said regulation of executive functions and, regulation of emotion solely and the other, and the other, Executive functions, you were describing the prefrontal cortex. I didn't know that the insula was responsible for, for compassion, but you listed a lot of the prefrontal cortex functions that I've been trying to tell you that I think white people excel at, but they're not, and insula isn't responsible for that. I didn't know it was responsible for compassion. I just assumed it was the frontal lobe because that's where a lot of the social functions are. But I assure you that the PFC functions you mentioned that you attributed to the insula are attributed to the PFC, I am agreeing with you that those functions white people do well, but we're disagreeing on which brain region is responsible. I'm telling you, you can grok it now if you want. Just ask it, ask Grok, what are the executive functions of the prefrontal cortex, you'll get a lot of what you want to mention. We're↗

3:33:38@malleusignot- Okay, okay. Listen, Emiro, I know you're having difficulty focusing, so I'm gonna go slow with you, okay? You and I both know, 'cause you and I both study the brain, that different parts of the Can regulate the same things, sometimes in different ways, sometimes in the same way, but there is definitely overlap between areas of the brain. So the insula being in control of things like emotion regulation doesn't mean that the PFC isn't. Can you accept that?↗

3:34:09Speaker 10I can accept that because there's a lot of overlap. Fantastic. But the way that you posed the question was hinting at PFC more than insula, gotta admit.↗

3:34:17@malleusigI didn't at any point say PFC, I said insula, okay? Now, if you've- No, no, I mean the↗

3:34:23Speaker 10way you were describing emotional regulation and the other executive functions like impulse control, delaying gratification, that kind of thing. No, okay, so↗

3:34:30@malleusigI'm beginning to wonder if maybe your study of the brain is limited to the study of one brain area, the PFC, because every comment you have seems to find its way back to the PFC mysteriously.↗

3:34:42Speaker 10Well, it happens mysteriously because humans are defined by it, like in a very significant way. That's the, that's the funny part about it.↗

3:34:51@malleusigOkay. So here's the thing. Alright, if you've got, let's say, a different structure entirely, and that structure we know is linked towards the ability to run fast, and we find that people with the ability to run fast have a larger of whatever this organ is And then people that can't run fast tend to have a smaller of this organ, whatever it is. You and I would both easily be able to agree that, okay, this is very plausibly and most likely biological basis for that ability,↗

3:35:27Speaker 10wouldn't you not? it's a, it's a good, yeah, suspicion, yeah.↗

3:35:32@malleusigFantastic. So why can't we come to the same agreement when it's the brain?↗

3:35:37Speaker 10We do, but, you know, you even now just said motor function, which I forgot to comment on. This one is also, a frontal lobe, function, particularly in the motor cortex, starts with the PFC dictating, intention to move, and then the motor cortex is active when you move on purpose. So there's no way that the insula is responsible for that. Maybe why you're saying the things you're like, like, wait, you're↗

3:36:03@malleusigjust going off on a random tangent now. It's like, okay, if I start saying something about the brain,↗

3:36:08Speaker 16people will kind of like↗

3:36:10@malleusigtheir eyes will glaze over and they'll assume that I'm talking to the point, but you're not. You're not, you're talking about motor control now, which is different.↗

3:36:19Speaker 10No, but I'm saying you listed motor control, emotional regulation, and other PFC functions, I'm like, that literally sounds like the frontal lobe. I mean, there are literally insula functions. But maybe the insula cortex plays a role in it, but I doubt that it's, it's responsible↗

3:36:32@malleusigfor Let's as-- again, I've explained this already, but let's explain it again in a different way so you can follow. Let's assume that there's overlap, the insula takes part of it and the PFC takes part of it. Let's assume the insula takes forty percent and the PFC takes a generous sixty percent. If you have an insula that is less able to regulate those things, in total, would you or would you not↗

3:37:00@malleusigbe less able to regulate those things? Out of the full hundred percent.↗

3:37:06Speaker 10It depends on, on the connection. Okay. To that.↗

3:37:10@malleusigI, guys, I'm at a loss. I gotta look into the insula↗

3:37:13Speaker 10cortex more, but I really don't know what to do. I don't know if it's relevant right here, I gotta be honest with you.↗

3:37:20@malleusigAgain, again, I think we're getting the most of the feeling at this point. There is one thing I'll give you, which is↗

3:37:23Speaker 10like if you activate a certain brain region through the PFC, 'cause it has like these long- it has these pyramidal neurons that have a long axon that are meant to engage in long communication, long-range communication with other brain areas, including the PFC model, which is what they talk about with the IQ stuff. So if that same process happens with, like, the PFC and the insular cortex, where it activates first and then it activates that thing over and over and over again, then they'll simultaneously grow together. So in that sense, yeah, the insular cortex is kind of like a symptom of increased PFC activity, I would say, something like that.↗

3:37:59@malleusigWe're not talking PFC activity, that's your pet thing, that's your thing you wanna talk about the PFC. We're not talking about that. We're talking about differences and things like emotion regulation, future planning, self-image, ability to get along with others that differ by race and which have a clear genetic or↗

3:38:15Speaker 10PFC driver. I mean, you don't want me to say those letters, you know, it's not-- No, no, no, no. Amiro, Amiro, it's not-- You don't want me to↗

3:38:23@malleusigsay the letters. Amiro It's not that I don't want you to say the letters, it's that it really sounds like you're a kid with a new toy and everything is about the new toy, right? Well, you've just learned about the PFC recently, and so now every argument has to be pulled back to the PFC because it's the only part you know about, okay? Which, if that's true, is fine.↗

3:38:44Speaker 10Well, you gotta give me credit, I learned about it in twenty-- I mean, I learned about it a long time ago, but I, I got interested in it in twenty eighteen. Sameer, come on, give me a break. We are trying to have a holistic discussion here. We are trying to have a↗

3:38:52@malleusigholistic discussion here. We are going to move off of the PFC at some point because it's not all about the PFC. There are other parts of the brain involved about the temporal lobe and motor↗

3:39:02Speaker 10regulation and future planning, motor control↗

3:39:12@malleusigI'm being very patient with you, okay? This isn't, this isn't, this isn't PFC the space, okay? We talked about the PFC, we talked about it a lot. I asked you to come with me into a discussion about a different brain area, right? For some reason, you seem intent on dragging the discussion back towards the PFC at all costs. I don't understand why. I have my suspicions as to- Well, I, I↗

3:39:40Speaker 10keep telling you why, Rabbi, and, and I swear I'm speaking English, like someone pinched me. I swear I'm, I'm-- I admitted to you the insular cortex, I know about it, I'm not that interested in it, so I need to learn more about it and its connection to compassion. But then you listed the functions of the insular cortex, I'm like, wait a minute. Emotional regulation, planning the future, motor control, yes. I've studied these for eight years now, I know for a fact↗

3:40:08Speaker 10For those executive functions. Okay, and↗

3:40:10@malleusigagain, we've already covered this. I understand that, but that isn't relevant to the point that we're making. And it's one, we have this one of these patterns where you get a discussion, right? And people think that if you just restate facts over and over again, regardless of how related those facts are to the discussion happening at hand That people are just gonna be like, "Hmm, oh, okay, oh, got it," and then just give it. Because now you made a point. You haven't, you haven't made a point yet. All you've done is say something that sounds smart, may or may not be true, but unless what you say is addressing the point being made, it's simply going to be discarded. Because you're not participating at that point anymore. You're just trying to say something that sounds smart in the hopes that people forget that it doesn't relate to the, the point being made.↗

3:41:02Speaker 10I gotta admit I find that offensive because I would never do that. It's so beneath me. Yeah. I, I'm, I'm, I'm seriously listening and being like, okay, what are you gonna teach me about the insula that I don't know about? That's the mode I'm in. But then when you listed the functions, I'm like, wait up, hold up, bye↗

3:41:22Speaker 10These are the, the, the functions of the thing that shouldn't be named. And so I, and I'm just like, hey, I, I'm following, but this is where I'm stopping because of this thing, and we can grok it in real time earlier you were grokking. Please grok it and, and prove me wrong. I'm happy to be proven wrong. No↗

3:41:36@malleusigone, Amiru, this isn't about you being wrong about those things being the domain of the PFC. I'm just trying to pull you into a discussion that isn't centered around the PFC And you seem to be resisting for some reason.↗

3:41:54Speaker 10I'm not resisting. If you wanna move on to the insular cortex, I'm totally willing, but I won't accept attributing the executive functions to it. In good, I can't, I can't, in good contact with you. Again,↗

3:42:07@malleusigit's you, we're not-- again, Emira, your, your refusal to take part, to take part in the conversation that I'm trying to have with you can only be interpreted in one of two ways, right? You're hostile to the assertion that I'm making, or you can't participate, and you-- this is some kind of exit plan. Okay? I don't know which one it is, and at this point, I don't care. Okay? Let's go to something different, not the insula, not the PFC, okay? Because now we can get into something that's interesting that actually can be addressed in the Black community, okay?↗

3:42:40@malleusigWhat factor has been linked to both higher myelination? And greater white matter volumes in children, and again, this is where we get to those long neurons with those long connections, right? We know myelination. You can help me out here. What effect does myelin-myelination have on the, on, cognition? Amir, you know this.↗

3:43:03Speaker 10messages are s-faster. Perfect. It helps with sending electric signals, signals faster. Exactly, exactly. And what does--↗

3:43:09@malleusigWhat do greater white matter volumes mean?↗

3:43:14Speaker 10More myelin sheath and gray matter is neurons.↗

3:43:18@malleusigRight, right, right, right. It also means you have more of these long distance connections. You have more connections going on, right? You have the myelination is what gives it the white color, right? You know, it isn't pure white, but still, it gives it the, the white matter, right? So you have more myelination, but you also have a lot more of these neuron connections, and that means you have more connections and you have great ability to, to think quickly. Now, do you know which factor has been linked to both of these things?↗

3:43:47Speaker 10Are you gonna say G factor? I'm not sure.↗

3:43:49@malleusigNo, no, no, no, no, no, no, this. G is the result, not, not the, not the factor.↗

3:43:56Speaker 10I Q. No,↗

3:43:57@malleusigno, no, no, no. I'm talking about something that's a causative factor. That's-- we don't have evidence, hard evidence, that it's causative yet, but I'll just tell you, okay? The answer is breast feeding for six months. If you breastfeed your child for six months, at least six months after birth, that child is much more likely to have higher myelination and greater white matter volumes. Okay? Now the, the follow-up is this: what percentage of Black mothers breastfeed their infants at all, according to the CDC? I'm not sure, I'm↗

3:44:32Speaker 10curious to hear it.↗

3:44:33@malleusigFifty-eight percent. Okay? So this is a, a difference that we can address, right? Where we can actually make an improvement in the academic life or the intelligent-- you know, the life, the intelligence of the black community with one simple trick, one crazy trick that doctors hate, right? All we have to do is get black mothers To, stop using baby formula and to start breastfeeding their children for a minimum of six months after birth, and we will find not only higher myelination, greater myelination, we'll find that translates into higher IQs, because if I remember correctly, breastfeeding, can account for↗

3:45:19@malleusigI think seven to ten points on average, not at the individual level, but on average, breastfeeding does account for between seven and ten IQ points. Right? So↗

3:45:29Speaker 10that's true, that's incredible. That's a constructive conversation. I'm not telling women how to do this. Yes. I'm definitely gonna look that up, Rabbi, 'cause that's fascinating if true, and seriously would solve a lot of problems quickly.↗

3:45:41@malleusigYeah. And I see Nelson Musk, who looks like he is black, wants to get up here. Ian, I, for some reason, I don't have any more spaces on the stage, which is weird, because we have one, two, three, four, five. Well, we're gonna take a↗

3:45:51Ian Malcolmflyer on this one, Rabbi. I'm not, I'm not sure this is↗

3:45:56@malleusiga good idea,↗

3:45:57Ian Malcolmbut, You're↗

3:45:59@malleusignot sure Over the kick button so it's ready to go.↗

3:46:09Speaker 17Hey Rabbi, so if the formula thing is true, wouldn't all the third world countries that don't have access to formula, and so they do have breastfeeding, how come their IQs are so much lower?↗

3:46:23@malleusigWell, that's a good question, right? So again, we're getting into pure genetics. So Black Americans, you know, it is, it's a comparative thing, right? So if you look at, we're looking at a situation where the IQ is a certain level by default, and then the behavior or the postnatal nutrition or prenatal nutrition, what have you, brings it down lower, okay? By as many as seven to ten points. So then we're not dealing with something that's gonna bring,↗

3:46:48@malleusigyou know, the average Black IQ from eighty-five to a hundred and seven. But it may bring it up from eighty-five to ninety, right? Which will still be almost a full to, standard deviation below whites, unfortunately. So again, it's, you know, it's, I would say just genetics but also, you know what? In Africa, isn't nutrition different? You know, in Africa, don't they have access to less nutrition, and aren't there more things like, parasites, hookworms, you know, for example, which we know has a direct effect on IQ?↗

3:47:30@malleusigI'm just spitballing here because I know hookworm has-↗

3:47:33Speaker 10That would make sense though that if there's bad nutrition, then she won't have much nutritional value for her child, like the African woman wouldn't. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, kids can't do, can't do it all.↗

3:47:44@malleusigNo, they can't, they can't, can't, they can't do all the heavy lifting. But, we do know, we do know that, oh, he left. The black guy, he just came up and then left, weird. Alright, but anyway. So yeah, so it's, again, it's one of those things where there, we have to be realistic about the role of genetics in intelligence. We can't just throw our heads in the sand and be like, "La la la la," because I don't like what the research is saying. But we don't have to get hateful about it either. We don't have to be like, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, you guys suck 'cause you're stupid." We don't have to be like that. That's dumb. As a matter of fact, in fact, if you're engaging that kind of interaction, that kind of taunting, I'm beginning to wonder about your IQ, regardless of your race.↗

3:48:27@malleusigYou know, Rabbi, I actually have a very-- We really want-- Listen↗

3:48:29Speaker 10for you.↗

3:48:30@malleusigWhat we-- I'm almost↗

3:48:31Speaker 10done. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, Rabbi.↗

3:48:33@malleusigWhat we really want is to know how we can make things better. We wanna make things better. We want smarter black people. Alright? I don't know-- And again, you hear a lot of black people in black spaces are like, "You know, they want us..." You know, "They want us to be dumb." We don't want you to be dumb. We don't want you to be unemployed. We don We don't want you hanging around all day next door while I'm at the office, right? We want you to have control over your children, we want you to, you know, be able to interact with us in a normal manner, where we're not fearing for our lives if we walk into your neighborhoods. These are all really, really bad things that we want to fix. We don't just want to kill black people. We actually want them to live happy, meaningful lives. We just want to be able to live our happy, meaningful lives alongside them in peace. That's literally what we want. Go ahead, Amir.↗

3:49:35Speaker 10so I don't necessarily agree that blacks can't be saved. I think once the IQ tests are, valid↗

3:49:43@malleusigand-- You, you don't agree that they can be saved?↗

3:49:47Speaker 10I, I, I don't agree that they can't be saved or something.↗

3:49:49@malleusigWho said they can't be saved?↗

3:49:51@joann_marieHe, he didn't say that.↗

3:49:53Speaker 10Yeah, you're right, but most people look at it like they can't be saved or that can't be saved. In order to disagree, you have to disagree with something somebody↗

3:49:57@malleusigsaid.↗

3:49:58Speaker 10Do you think that they can be lived with?↗

3:50:02@malleusigI'm sorry what? Blacks? Yeah. In, in their current situation? Not really. but if you can make things better than, then, then- Hang on, Rabbi.↗

3:50:13Ian MalcolmSo, Amiru, on, within sixty seconds, you just kind of made blanket accusations that were essentially at Rabbi, both of which were incorrect and had nothing to do with any of the prior statements. I'm, I'm just kind of curious where you pulled those two things from.↗

3:50:29Speaker 10Well, I, I was gonna lead to a, to a different point entirely. I was just kind of- Getting, I, I was inferring what he meant, but, but he is actually saying that they can be saved over time. He literally said that he wants them to be↗

3:50:42@joann_mariebetter. So w-why do you mean that they can't be saved?↗

3:50:48Speaker 10Sorry, I didn't mean not to give you credit for saying that, but I, what I'm trying to say is say it more clearly.↗

3:50:54Ian MalcolmThis, this is so bizarre, because you made a, excuse me. You made a monumental leap to something that wasn't stated, nor was even inferable from what he had stated, and then after we kind of called it out, you were like, "Well, I mean, I'm not really making the claim that he did." But so, which is a strange inference why you would even suggest it in the first place. I'm, I'm, I'm really curious why you did that.↗

3:51:18Speaker 10It's my fault. I wasn't using clear language. It's my fault. Okay, okay, buddy. Like, for example, eighty-five, assigning eighty-five to them as↗

3:51:47Ian MalcolmWait, wait↗

3:51:58Ian MalcolmChange, because you're essentially it's a supposition that we have a bias or some kind of emotional animus towards somebody, and I just don't know where that, where that came from. And you did it twice. No, please don't misunderstand me, Ian. I think it's coming↗

3:52:10@malleusigfrom a misunderstanding of, of how this works. Right. Again, it's like you're coming in, you just did it again. You just said that like you're condemning people to eighty five IQ. No one's assigning them eighty five IQ. No one's saying that all blacks are eighty five IQ, and certainly no one's saying that all blacks must be eighty five IQ forever, and no one's even saying that all blacks must have an average IQ of eighty five forever and ever, and it's immutable. No one's saying any of those things, and for some reason, it seems to me you're hallucinating what people are saying.↗

3:52:44@malleusigMost likely from a misunderstanding of how statistics work. Am I, do you think that I'm on the right track here?↗

3:52:50Speaker 10No, absolutely not. Okay. What do you think is happening? Here's, here's what I'm trying to say. We disagree on the validity of IQ tests, so, I don't think you have any, bad intentions at all. I wanna make that very clear. but I'm just kind of using colorful language saying, condemning, whatever. But here's what I wanna tell you. If the scores are correct and I'm wrong And their score is eighty-five, we have something, we have an issue. And I don't agree that black people are in that position. That's kind of what I'm trying to tell you. But here's what I will say so that we can both actually tackle this moral problem that I actually w-worry about. If Neanderthals-- and they are as stupid as we think they are, Neanderthals were around How are humans supposed to treat them? I think that tells you what the moral question is, what the moral problem there is. Do I think Black people are in that scenario where it's that serious? Absolutely not. so, but we could, we could talk about that further if you want, but I'm curious, like, how do you think we should treat Neanderthals? 'Cause that way we can both agree, like, they have lower↗

3:53:54@joann_marieintelligence. This is wild. How do you↗

3:53:58@malleusigtreat Neanderthals? Okay, so your question The question is, how do you think I should treat an, like, a, a, a, a, a population of extinct hominids that we have no idea what they look like, like, in, in, in detail? We have no idea how they act. We have no idea. We know they had some culture and some artifacts, but we actually, we don't really have any idea what we would like to interact with them. And you're asking me how we should treat them? I have no idea. No one has any idea, to be quite honest.↗

3:54:30@malleusigI don't see what the connection is between Neanderthals and blacks. They come from completely different genetic lineages. Neanderthals aren't trying to compare the black people. But Rabbi, if, if, if Rabbi didn't↗

3:54:41Ian Malcolmwalk out of your house tomorrow and there was a midget twirling a rod riding on top of a unicorn, I mean, would he be wearing a blue shirt or a red shirt? I know. And should I loan him five bucks? And sort of the↗

3:54:54@joann_mariequestion, Rabbi, we're not playing. I know.↗

3:54:56@malleusigAnd he'd be running on a diet of exactly. And if you get it wrong, you're in a lot of↗

3:54:59Ian Malcolmtrouble.↗

3:55:00@malleusigExactly. And if, if you get it wrong, it shows you hate black people, right? But no, it's honestly, I, I think what we need to do is, Samir, like, again, if you're looking for like some way to impugn my character or to, you know, to, to insist that I wanna treat blacks as subhumans, you're gonna come out of this space disappointed, okay? I think that we should treat people as↗

3:55:22@malleusigOkay? And the unfortunate reality situation is, when you start treating black people as if they were white people, they start screaming, discrimination, okay? And I-- there's no kind way to put that. All right? Blacks literally interpret equal treatment as oppression. The only situation they seem to accept as a population, as a demographic, is being treated like children And being given all the things they need to survive from someone else. Sounds like a good look at all the EBT freakouts, okay? Now, if you are going to ask me how to treat them, my recommendation, which has yet to be followed, has yet to be tried, right? Is to treat them like white people, like everyone else. Here you go.↗

3:56:11@malleusigGo make your way in the world. You're on your own. Figure it out. And if you fall- No one's gonna be there to help you, except maybe your own people, your own family, alright? If you're lucky. Now, if we actually do that, we would have to slash welfare, slash EBT, make huge changes to the legal system, right? We'd have to make huge changes in how judges and prosecutors treat, black people. we'd have to make huge changes in policing. And to be quite honest, it wouldn't end up happy for most of the black population. It would end up great for the country, right? There'd be a, a↗

3:56:55@malleusighuge increase in the black prison population. There would be a huge increase in the, let's say the number of men being sued or being incarcerated or arrested for, failing to take care of their kids. There'd be huge differences in the way that media portrayed black people, 'cause you would have to have realistic depictions of everything, and essentially all of our entertainment now becomes like our body cam videos, which is the only place you can get the reality of the situation from. And black people would be very, very unhappy about it for a very long time, but eventually the country would balance out and they'd be, be better for it. So if you want my position on this, my position is,↗

3:57:41@malleusigStrict, and if need be, heartless equality, all right, for everyone, especially black people, right? Does that help?↗

3:57:55Speaker 10I mean, it answers the black people thing. So you're essentially trying to say treat them like people, so you can't be really against that. Maybe I'll be less ruthless with not helping them when they fall, like in general for people. But what about Neanderthals? And I, I get the point why we're talking about Neanderthals. No, no. And↗

3:58:13Ian MalcolmI, I want to go to David, but I also just want to call out that for, for there was a hesitation there, Amir, when you said, "Well, I guess you want them to Really be against that, and I'm, I'm kinda-- I just wanna call out how absurd that is. Like the idea that, that not giving special treatment to somebody would be at all controversial, like that should be the default obviously of everybody. And so it's just a very- Well, I mean,↗

3:58:38Speaker 10he said, he said white, like I'm gonna treat them like white people, which made it kinda weird. If he said, "White people are- " Because if he said, "I'll treat them like people," that would have been the ideal answer. Yeah, everybody treats people the same way. But when he says "white," he means treat them like people, and that's why I guess that's fine. The same as white people. The same as white↗

3:58:55@joann_mariepeople. The same with everybody. Wouldn't↗

3:58:59Ian Malcolmit be curious if that mirrored the behavior of another group of people we sometimes talk about? But, but David, I'm kinda curious for your thoughts.↗

3:59:08Speaker 18Well, first of all, if he'd said, "We're gonna treat them like people," that I mean, that you're saying they're not people, and if you say we're gonna treat them like white people, that's just a quailitarian. But I, I found it odd when you said, "So we won't help them if they fall?" Like, can't you help somebody if they fall? I don't get it. Like, don't you have compassion? You know, it's funny, it's funny because↗

3:59:33Speaker 18I've said in the past that all authoritarianism is based on moral inequivalency, and whenever I ask someone, 'cause they have trouble understanding equality, "Well, gosh, you know, if, if we, if we didn't have this giant welfare state, would you help people?" Because even according to the leader of the Nipal ACP, only one dollar out of every ten gets to where it's supposed to go, and I think that's generous.↗

3:59:55Speaker 18And, well, so when I ask someone that question, they'll answer↗

4:00:00Speaker 19"Yeah, I would help them." I'm like, "Oh, because of your moral superiority, you're gonna punish all the rest of us with a political state and confiscate our possessions and give it to these people?" And then they respond, "You know, I take it back, I might not help them. Oh, because of your moral depravity, you're gonna punish all the rest of us with the force of government and confiscate our money and give it to these people. You see, it's all based on moral equiv-- inequivalence. It's all based on actually superiority on the-- on the behalf of the speaker. So there's the problem. And of course, why do we have to have this discussion at all? Because we know that dog breeds have different intelligence levels, so we all- I also know that humans do, because it becomes a cudgel against us when we prosper, when we succeed, when our phenotype is better than theirs, and it is, by the way. It's the same with the Japanese. Wherever they go, their extended phenotype is the same, the impression they make on the earth, the way they live, the way they interact with each other. This is true, like at a very obvious level that doesn't require you to be the PhD of anything to understand.↗

4:01:03Speaker 20Yeah, and by the way, David, I don't think they really wanna help people at all if↗

4:01:10Speaker 20The liberals, they don't, they don't actually want to improve homelessness. What they wanna do is use it as an excuse, as a pretext, so they can build like a whole, like NGO industrial complex around it, right?↗

4:01:23Speaker 19They wanna break your legs, give you crutches, and say, "See, without me, you can't walk." Government doesn't create-- They don't, they don't solve poverty, they create poverty. They don't, they don't solve for education, they create ignorance. I mean, these people are horrible. And of course, what have they done? What have they done? You know, why is it that if you watch, black NBA players from, let's say, the '60s or '70s, you watch-- I just recently watched, I think, Wilt Chamberlain talking to Bill Russell. Why do they sound intelligent? And then why do they sound so horrible now? Why is it that they can't conjugate, wait for it, the most common verb in our language? Really? Really, we have Japanese businessmen that come over not speaking a lick of English, Chinese businessmen, and all of a sudden they speak it fairly well after twelve months in this country. And these people that only speak one language or partially speak it can barely speak it. So why is that? This is-- I think↗

4:02:18@malleusigthe AV conjugation for the, the copula is I be, you be, he be, we be, right?↗

4:02:23Speaker 19Right. And it's an irregular verb, I'll admit it, but the second most common one is to have, and they can't do that one either. And by the way↗

4:02:32Speaker 19Down with black kids and taught them how to conjugate a verb in about a minute. And the little kid, one of them said to me, "You sound like my teacher." I'm like, "I don't think so, because you'd know this."↗

4:02:50Speaker 19You'd already know this. But you see, we wouldn't be having this discussion if this wasn't political. And I'll remind everyone, politics is the art and science of government, and what is the government doing? Well, now that it's controlled by Jewish supremacists, is emascerating us. It is doing this, you're right. You said they're not trying to help with poverty, yeah, they are. They're trying to make it a lot-- well, they're trying to expand it. You know, it's an enterprise, it's a business. You know, our country was founded upon the idea of self-reliance. Well, this is an anthem of the people that rule us The principle upon which our country was founded, but as the helpless playthings of the universe. But the worst thing about the black thing is that the racial realism, if we don't confront it, then what we're doing is we're doing something that's far worse to them, because what the people that w- deign to rule the rest of us are telling them is, the reason why that you're failing at math in school is because of them. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Is there a worse way to destroy the black di- Aspirant America, is there a worse way to undermine them? Is there a worse way to rip out the first three rungs of the ladder of human accomplishment than to tell them every aspect of your failure is the fault of someone else rather than, hey, look, do your level best? You know, you, your, your average IQ might be lower, but you're still, in God's eyes, just as equal as morally as everyone else. Do your best, get up, accomplish what you can, and be happy that you live in this situ-- this civilization. So this is all intentional. And again, you've heard, you've heard me say it before, human solidarity is the answer. We cannot at once say that, yes, there are disparities. It is obvious in IQ, average IQ, between blacks and whites. You know, Walter Williams, the economist, who just died- He said, "Look, the average black person graduating from high school has the math skills of a white person like in the eighth grade, and when white people graduate from high school, their math skills kinda suck. So, you know, the answer is, yes, we should have human solidarity, but racial realism is something that allows us to live better together, not worse."↗

4:05:10Speaker 21And I agree with you that racial realism has to be kinda solved. And that's why I talk about these issues, 'cause I want, I want people to be progressive naturally, not in this fake Jewy way where they're fast forwarding and destabilizing society. But just to correct something you said, David, because, you said that I wasn't being compassionate 'cause I was saying, "Don't help them," I was like, "No, I was just..." Reflecting what Rabbi was saying, where he was saying, you know, they would be on their own, and if they fall down, no one would help them, and I was saying I'd be less ruthless than that, so I was actually being compassionate about that. And- Oh, I↗

4:05:43Speaker 19see.↗

4:05:43Speaker 21Okay,↗

4:05:43@malleusigbut if they're gonna fall down, who's gonna help them?↗

4:05:48Speaker 21Humanity should be, should, should be more altruistic in general. No,↗

4:05:52@malleusigwho's gonna help them, Amir? Where's the help gonna come from?↗

4:05:56Speaker 21Like if it's my friend, I'll help him, that kinda thing.↗

4:05:59@malleusigOkay, no, no, okay, if you're a friend, that's, that's your network of friends, whatever, right? That's fine. All I'm saying is, the taxpayer, the taxpayer isn't gonna come, the taxpayer isn't gonna come in and swoop in and save you if you fail, because the taxpayer doesn't help whites. So if you want to be treated equally, if you wanna be considered equal, you need to be able to stand up your own two feet just like everyone else. That's↗

4:06:24Speaker 21Yeah, but they also need equal upbringing, equal lots of things. but we don't need to get into- Give me an example. Like, they need a fair shot at education.↗

4:06:37Speaker 19What does that mean? A fair shot? Help me out here. I mean, do they have aren't there like- Because↗

4:06:41Speaker 21I, I'm, I find it hard to believe that not everyone deserves a fair shot. Isn't everyone smart? Because there's a lot of smart black people.↗

4:06:46Speaker 19Look, all- I think, I think you have, my friend, a misapprehension of what freedom means. There is no such thing as a right to anything that requires the effort of another person. That's not a right, that's slavery. Right? When someone says you have a right, let's say you have a right to education, first of all, I don't consider government schools I don't consider them public, I consider them government schools. Public schools are the ones the public are, are choosing, by market forces. So when we say, "Well, they have a right to education," you know, Hitchliffe knows a lot about this and- IQ determines where you end up a lot more than, than how you're raised or your economic level when you're growing up. We know this even from individual families where there are incredible disparities in IQ. So this thing of, oh, well, you have a-- you need a fair shot at education. Most of education, we think that way, especially with the Black diaspora, we're trying to saddle cows and teach mules how to give milk. You know, you shouldn't have to be dragged to the education, you shouldn't get any sort of- Extra benefit. And by the way, education itself is a giant con. You know, go to the library. And what is it you wanna know? Go to a technical institute. You know, do that. You know, why is it... Tell me what it is about going to a university,↗

4:08:05Speaker 19through which the vast number of people that come through barely even use the skills that they supposedly learned. How do they deserve that? Like, and what, what does "deserve" mean? I think in the words of Clint Eastwood in, in The Unforgiven, you know, "Deserves got nothing to do with it, you just need to live your life free."↗

4:08:21Speaker 20Hey, real quick, does JQ2, does he believe in the whole like blank-slateism stuff?↗

4:08:31Speaker 21Well, I answered the blank-slate thing, but I wanna address David before you do. Wait, before you do,↗

4:08:36Speaker 19this is Near and dear to my heart, so Hitchh'lap and I have gone back and forth in this. So the blanks, there are two, there's now a new edition of the blank slate, which is spurious. So the original blank slate idea was, started by John Locke in his famous essay concerning human understanding, which is an epistemological work. And his whole ide-- his whole thing was all of the ideas that we have, are furnished by empirical means. So,↗

4:09:06Speaker 22yeah, yeah, the tabula rasa, the tabula rasa.↗

4:09:08Speaker 19The tabula rasa, right? Okay, so the tabula rasa, you're right, blank slate. So all of our ideas are derived from our senses, our experience, right? But the psychologists, the lefty psychologists especially, they came along and said, "No, no, no, we're all exactly equal." And so we're all a blank slate, and if one person is dumber than another, and by the way, I'll tell you who's dumber than another, anyone believes a shit. If one person is dumber than another, you know, it's society's fault. Well, do we think this about dogs? This is so stupid. Do we think this is why dogs are smarter than cats? Do we think this is why dogs are smarter than butterflies? It is the dumbest thing in the world. And so when Hitchh'lap would be, saying this is all nonsense,↗

4:09:53Speaker 19I They were originally saying, that's what the psychologists who have co-opted this idea for some entirely different meaning are saying. So one of the ideas about the blank slate is stupid, the original one is absolutely true and still holds forth.↗

4:10:10Speaker 21I'm gonna co-sign on David with that, and that's the kind of blank slate that I believe in. And that's why I was talking about language proficiency earlier and showing you how humans are really augmented, that if you don't teach them language, they're gonna behave like language and culture and a lot of relevant knowledge, then they're gonna behave like a caveman, right? Which shows you kind of,↗

4:10:32Speaker 21how augmented people are essentially, and how necessary it is to-- And, and this is where I would answer you, David, and you're saying what right they have. It's like if we want the offspring that we are investing so much time and effort into to succeed, they must learn language, and that's something that is just handed to them, it's just something that's given to them because that's necessary for proper functioning.↗

4:10:55Speaker 19Well, you're right. So language is essentially a distributed system of knowing, and it's absolutely magical, and on Neko Spaces I've talked about this, it's incredibly amazing and magical because You, you know, the biggest misapprehension about language is its main function is the social organization of humans, when its actually main function is the organization of your own thoughts, right? Which would otherwise be mere fleeting sensations. So then you have an historical consciousness and you store it in linguistic means, and then, which is your memory, and then you can reference that memory and abstract and then recombine in order to find pattern where other people just find dirt. In other words, be create-- be creative. However The capacity to speak and manage language and to build,↗

4:11:40Speaker 19structures of knowledge within your consciousness is obviously, clearly, a matter of intelligence of which there are disparate capacities there among humans.↗

4:11:52Speaker 21You're absolutely right, but here's the thing too is if you just think about that people can look like cavemen without language, it's easy to get tricked and think that some people can't be saved or they're too far gone or they're too stupid just because of varying language proficiency, which is already something that's artificial and externally given, it's not something that naturally emerges biologically. So if it's not transmitted correctly, you could blame the culture a lot for that, and I think we see a lot of that. A lot of, like, people look- Dumber than they actually are, I think. Yeah, but again, Amir, that's↗

4:12:23@malleusigsomething no one's actually discussed in the space. No one's ever said they can't be saved, and again, you're overestimating the importance of language. I don't know what "saved" means though. Yeah, no, I don't know what it means either. He just brought it up. And again, you're-- Like, we have to look at the language people themselves. You're making this weird statement, wait, make this weird statement that language is completely externally driven, and it's not They're not externally based, they're not externally driven, so I don't know how you can make this blanket statement that language is highly externally driven, derived.↗

4:13:00Speaker 21The alphabet.↗

4:13:02@malleusigWhat about the alphabet?↗

4:13:03Speaker 21Externally derived.↗

4:13:06@malleusigDo you understand the words that come out of your own mouth? Alright? You can have language without the alphabet. We managed to have language without the alphabet for like thousands of years.↗

4:13:16Speaker 21But it was not as functional as it is now, and it's a hundred percent written on a rock somewhere. Whoa, whoa,↗

4:13:21@malleusigwhoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! You don't have any basis to make that statement on. You have no idea how functional language was before we wrote it down. You don't, and, and not before the alphabet, 'cause you said the alphabet, not writing it down even. So there are other ways to write down language and use the alphabet, take Chinese, for example.↗

4:13:40@malleusigAlright? So your statements are just nonsense.↗

4:13:43Speaker 21I'm saying the alphabet of any culture, but like the alphabet that every culture learns wherever they go. Not all cultures use that. That is always externally given to children.↗

4:13:51@malleusigAmira, not all cultures use alphabets. Some use pictograms. But Rabbi, I mean, like the language, the ability to write language↗

4:13:57Speaker 19is a human advan-is an advancement in civilization, right, Rabbi?↗

4:14:01@malleusigIt is, but I would say it's the outcome, it's, it's the result of increased intelligence, not the driver of it. I think you need to translate to me because I'm like, "Well It's a concept. So here's the thing, if↗

4:14:13Speaker 20you take two children, okay? One child is the-- You mean like the Epstein? Has two parents that have like 150 IQ. The other child, both of the parents have 85 IQ. Take the 85 IQ parental child and put him in the best, most expensive academies from when he's born until when he's 10 years old. The 150 IQ child, you take them and have them literally raised by wolves. Okay, they're now ten years old. Now you take them and put them in a normal equal position in society, I guarantee you the hundred and fifty IQ child, from, that's his parents, we don't know what his IQ is, I guarantee you that child is going to greatly surpass the other one by age eighteen and it won't even be close. They're both going to be stuck at where their genetic potential allows them to be.↗

4:15:06Speaker 21Who was speaking? I would like to address you.↗

4:15:09Speaker 20Yes, Manko.↗

4:15:10Speaker 21That, that was Manko. Manco, you're absolutely right, but you would agree that before being cultured again, while they were in the wild, they looked very similar, right?↗

4:15:24Speaker 20Well, I would think it wouldn't look similar because the eighty-five IQ has all the benefits of being in society, whereas the other person, is literally being raised by wolves, is like a little Tarzan child. So, at one point, you will think that the eighty-five IQ person is winning on various metrics, but it's all just an illusion because the potential is there for the one with the better genetics to vastly catch up and exceed the eighty-five IQ one as soon as they're given the opportunity. So you're looking at a situation where, when you say, "Hold on one second, I'm almost on with the point," when you're looking at the people who are eighty-five IQ in the United States, it isn't because these are actually, you know, a hundred and ten IQ people, but the education system has failed them. It's because we've done everything we have possibly could and thrown massive amounts of money and resources at the problem for many, many generations And they're stuck, this is how high they can go, and you might be able to squeeze a little bit more out of them if you had massive changes to the culture or something. But they're, they're there where they are for a reason, and the reason is overwhelmingly genetic, not because they're not getting an education.↗

4:16:43Speaker 21So, but that's because you believe in the IQ test scores, correct?↗

4:16:47@malleusigNo! He didn't say anything about the test scores aren't↗

4:16:49Speaker 20something you believe in, they're objective reality.↗

4:16:53@malleusigBut even so,↗

4:16:53Speaker 20they're absolutely not↗

4:16:55@malleusigobjective reality. Wait, wait, even so, Emiro, he didn't say anything about IQ tests, he said intelligence. Right? You can take the test out of the equation entirely. He's saying intelligence is largely genetic, and what he's saying matches the research we have.↗

4:17:12Speaker 21But he was giving 110 IQ, whatever, so he believes in IQ scores because he was talking about 110 IQ, 85 IQ, 110. But that's not- But Amiru,↗

4:17:21Ian Malcolmyou're, you're too intelligent to, to play pimple around that piece of the argument, right? Like, I, I don't understand why you would even bring that back into it.↗

4:17:29Speaker 19But IQ scores are a real thing.↗

4:17:32Speaker 21I know that they exist, but I don't know if they're factual.↗

4:17:35Speaker 19Well, they're predictive indicators and aspirative indicators, and I've never understood how you can understand this. There is all-- there is no sentimentality that supports IQ. Like, if it weren't, if the predictive indicators didn't work, no one would, 'cause they make people uncomfortable. They don't, they're not warm and fuzzy. This isn't a warm and fuzzy idea. But they are absolutely predictive indicators. You can-- we know this, and we can do retro scores. I mean, I don't, I honestly like, data modeling is a real thing, and IQ exists. Think about a credit score. Credit scores, you could pay your bills irrespective of having a bad credit score. But credit scores work as predictive indicators, and the IQ test works the same way. It works as a predictive indicator, right? So we're talking about averages.↗

4:18:30Speaker 21I see what you're trying to say, but even with the credit score example, any one person can be At the lowest or the highest, depending on what behaviors they choose. And so,↗

4:18:55Speaker 21but↗

4:18:57Speaker 19you guys are agreeing with the idea that there's a cap. Hah You can do things to lower your, your IQ, obviously. Mine's going down right now.↗

4:19:12Speaker 21But, but, but David, would you say that IQ tests are as accurate as tape measures?↗

4:19:17Speaker 19It's not, it's not a matter of as accurate as. It's a matter of that it is a predictive indicator, right? Predictive indicators are based on averages, right? So what you can say is, if we take a thousand people and we measure their IQ at eighty-five, then it's going to pro-pro, it's going to demonstrate, we're going to see in the future the result Of where those people end up in terms of their average wealth, in terms of their educational capacity, all along the lines of these things. And if you take a thousand people, for instance, we have other IQ tests. You know what they're called?↗

4:19:52Speaker 19the MCATs, right?↗

4:19:55@malleusigThe people that can pass the- I was gonna say COVID vaccines, but yes, we have the MCATs too.↗

4:20:00Speaker 19Right, the IMCAT. But theoretical physicists, all of them, with the exception maybe of Neil deGrasse Tyson, all of them, they pretty much have a hundred and thirty IQ or more, right? That's-- it's, is that a coincidence? Do you think that just the most amazing trillion to one coincidence happened? Okay, now let's bundle them up with other IQ tests. For instance, Thomas Massey, he has two engineering degrees from, from MIT, so we know that his IQ has to be like, it can't possibly be Any lower than one twenty five. As someone who's married to a research scientist, there are echelons of knowledge that just simply-- there are other people, and I've had this discussion with her, no matter how hard they tried, they could never get what she got because it takes too much brain power. Yeah,↗

4:20:46Speaker 22yeah, but David, what about like those like rich-ass nepotistic Jews that get into all these good colleges just 'cause of their daddies?↗

4:20:53Speaker 19But it's not a matter of, it's not a matter of getting into the college, it's a matter of what you can do, right? What you can accomplish, what you can learn, it's output. That's why I'm having these things with these Jewish supremacists, and it's hilarious, by the way. But Ian, I don't know whether you've seen him. One of them said, "You know, we dominated the humanities, so we are the supremacists." I'm like, "Okay, I'll give you Beethoven, Mozart, and,↗

4:21:18Speaker 22in↗

4:21:23Speaker 19Do any of that. Then I said, "I'll give you in, in, in the plastic arts, I'll give you Raphael, Da Vinci, and Michelangelo, and then I forget, oh yes, in literature, I'll give you Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, and Tolstoy." "Go, give me yours." And they're like, "We won prizes!" And I'm like, "Okay, no, this has to be like phenomenal existence out in the world. What are you actually able to do?" See, genius is really about original thinking in a way that affects human↗

4:21:53Speaker 19Civilization forward, right? And of course, you only-- you can't do that if your IQ is like eighty-five. I'm sorry, but this is-- Well, the problem,↗

4:22:03Speaker 20David, is that the reason the Jews don't create culture because all of the Jews that might have otherwise gone and done that, that's why they like cannibalize white culture, is because all of those Jews get taken and pushed into the study of the Talmud and stuff. And if you look at the Talmud, it's like a wall of books where it's- Just Jews arguing each other, with each other over like various religious differences. Yeah, but of course, even the↗

4:22:28Speaker 22secular, irreligious Jews have the same phenomenon where they're like eighty IQ, they're super, they have a Dunning-Kruger effect, like they think they're, oh, come on, like, bro, David just gave you an example where he asked these, these Jews of all different stripes, of all different like observance levels, some of them probably atheists, some of them, well, atheists, some of them probably religious, whatever, and he asked them to I did finally get,↗

4:23:00Speaker 19I did finally get two names thrown at me. so the great humanist leaders, the two of them were Freud and Henry Kissinger.↗

4:23:11Speaker 19I know, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, "Wait, how did I become like...?" You're, you're the straight man in this comedy act, right? We're like a duo now, you know? But, but no, and Emiro, look, civil-civilization- I'm↗

4:23:22Ian Malcolmshocked you didn't go with Epstein. Right. The↗

4:23:24Speaker 19function, the function of civilization is to transmit culture so that the next generation doesn't live in caves. So I kinda like the way you're thinking about that, Emiro. but I will differ with our friend here Culture, they do have a culture, and it's to undermine ours. So don't conflate our culture and what they wanna do to our culture with their culture. Their culture is to go into another culture and undermine it through outgroup psychopathy and exist at its expense. So everything is reverse, and it's so hard, it's so hard for a culture predicated upon an almost suicidal empathy, that altruism, that, that Emira was talking about, to see How do you empathize with someone that can't empathize? Your brain simply can't do it, so you just can't believe that there's this other group of people whose secret culture is to undermine your civilization, to make it weaker, to make it uglier, to make it more disgusting, to make it dumber, to make human solidarity go down, to make high trust societies low trust societies, and why would they do that? Because they stay together, they hang together, and when they destroy your- Have to destroy their, that culture, then their ascendancy begins and they rule over everyone. So they do have a culture, and they really believe in their culture, and it's more than just reading the Talmud or the Torah or whatever, it's doing just what I said.↗

4:24:54@malleusigAnd I would like to add that, one of the reasons why they cite prizes so often is because, you can give yourself prizes, and it's actually really easy. Right, and if you look at a lot of these prize committees, you find that they are staffed, very often, very heavily with other Jews. and so that g-- kind of gives you a hint of, and financed by them. And what's that, David?↗

4:25:17Speaker 19And financed by them, I mean-- Yeah. Come on, Bob Dylan won the Nobel Prize in Literature. I mean, just, just kill me now. I mean, I mean, as a person who is, you know, maybe a self-proclaimed literati, you know, I'm like, w- I Chick in Korea or North Korea that wrote something incredibly great. You can't even, you're like, "Screw all the literature, right? Let me go find another Jew." Oh, did he write anything? Nah, I mean, some songs, you know? I mean, he stole from Woody Guthrie basically, yeah, that's what he did. It just kills me, amazing. It's- Yeah, and his real name is-↗

4:25:55Speaker 22His real name, Robert Allen Zimmerman, Zimm- Right.↗

4:26:00Speaker 19And I mean, like, I'm good, hey, I, I support, like, hey, go write cool songs and whatever. But hypocrisy is a feeble word here. So you're right, the idea that they're saying, "We have gotten our own imprimatur, we've gotten our own stamp of approval," as though that means anything. These are the same people. They really believe whatever it is that they write down, right? 'Cause these are the same people who showed up with a book that they wrote in Palestine and went, "Hey, you know, we wrote this To kick the shit out of you and take everything and, now we own your land. You know, so, yeah, the arrogance is just unparalleled. Oh, but I was gonna say about,↗

4:26:38@malleusigBob Dylan gave your land to us. Like, imagine anyone else pull-trying to pull that shit and actually succeeding.↗

4:26:48Speaker 22Oh, yeah, you know, with, with Bob Dylan, I was gonna say his, his personal rabbi, in the '80s onwards was a guy called, Manus Friedman, a Rabbi Friedman, Truth Has regularly cited him, in these last few years, so all the way back in twenty fourteen, when Obama and the Israelis killed like, something like, I think it was like two thousand Palestinian children alone, not to mention the women and, and men, but, but two thousand children alone from, from Palestine in a single summer, that was Obama and the Israelis in twenty fourteen. And so Mattis Friedman was giving a radio interview about how- How he, about how he, how he felt towards it, and he said, "Well, I don't believe in your Western Canadian morality. I believe in one way of war, that's the Jewish way of war, to slaughter their men, women, and children, destroy, and their animals, destroy their holy sites and trees and places, the stuff you'd see in, in, in Amalek and, and, and the, in, in 1 Samuel." So the, the point that I'm making is, is, you know, like these celebrities That's the only reason that they win is because it's, it's who is, well, spiritually in line with the ju- the, the Kabbalah. That's who the celebrities, that's who the, I guess, the Jewish high-ups pick from the Jewish bread and circus performers to excel, like a Bob Dylan who was very into his Kabbalah. You know, you saw this in the emails, like when Epstein said, you know, "How dare Madonna, this schicksa, go on Larry David, on, Larry King, sorry, and talk about↗

4:28:33Speaker 19Well, I just wanna combine all the awards in the world into one and give it to them for leaving us alone. Here, you're everything. Here you go, take this with-- No, there's the door right there. Don't forget your award. Don't forget, there's a surprise money in there too.↗

4:28:52@malleusigIt'd be, it'd be worth it. listen, I've got to, I've got to go in a few minutes, so I just wanted to check, if everyone agrees that we've accomplished the, goal of the space. Does anyone have any other nagging little, disagreements? otherwise we can declare this a win for the title. whites are uniquely gifted. we've proven it in this space. It's recorded for posterity. and, then, we can keep going. You guys can keep going with the discussion. But, does anyone have any other disagreements with this? And again, I think it's disappointing we haven't had many Black people on here, but still, yeah.↗

4:29:33Speaker 21Seek some clarity on the title. When you guys say are whites uniquely gifted, do you mean it the same way about any other race or, of course, that whites have something special? Every race is uniquely gifted.↗

4:29:46@malleusigEvery race isn't gifted with the whites are gifted with the↗

4:29:48Speaker 22stoicism. I, I would say that whites are gifted in the stoicism department. I would say each race has like its, standout, you know, obvious, overt pros and cons that you can tell immediately by interacting with or just visiting a country that's predominantly inhabited by that race or visiting multiple. And, and you look at white people, their strength is like stoicism. For black people, their strength is pure, raw, unadulterated- Strength, like literal strength for Asian people, it's about fertility, yeah. For Asian people, like for East Asians, it's about like fine-tuning stuff, you know, like they're very good at taking stuff and tweaking it. They're very good at↗

4:30:28@malleusigmemorizing things.↗

4:30:32Speaker 22Yeah, you could say that's, for the Arabs too, because of Islam, and it's, it's, like how it's under the memorization.↗

4:30:39@malleusigThat might be a↗

4:30:39Speaker 22stretch. I would say, I don't know, 'cause if you look at the Middle Eastern, what-- the, the Middle Eastern stuff, I mean, all-- first of all, they have a very-- they cluster closer to whites than,↗

4:30:50Speaker 20than almost any other race↗

4:30:51Speaker 22besides Hispanics, who do have like sixty percent European in them on average.↗

4:30:55@malleusigNo, no, no, no, no Overemphasizing, the memorization ability of Arabs based off of, you know, maybe you think more of them have actually memorized the Quran than, than, than actually have done it I don't think most of them have memorized the Quran, no, that's not what↗

4:31:19Speaker 22I'm saying, but what I'm saying is because rote memorization is seen, not just in, Quran memorization, but it, it then sort of like goes into all the other, subjects that they teach kids growing up. So rote memorization becomes like the, the kind of like the cornerstone of how you're able to increase your knowledge in a lot of Arabic, absolutely right. But again, we're talking↗

4:31:42@malleusigabout Unique, unique gifts of each race. We're not talking about what their culture and- And Rabbi,↗

4:31:47Speaker 20I think it's talking about to, to actually think that like every race has something that they are specialized in or like superior at. It's possible for one ethnic group to just be worse at everything than another ethnic group.↗

4:32:06@malleusigWell, it is possible, but again, there's always something, and here's, here's the catch though, Mango Smash, is what I've found is that ethnic groups tend to value the thing that their ethnic group is best at, right? Look at white people, we value intelligence, right? We're very good at intelligence. We value creative problem solving, we're very good at creative problem solving, right? We value high culture, we're very good at high culture, okay?↗

4:32:31Speaker 22Stoicism.↗

4:32:32@malleusigLook at blacks, look at blacks, what do they love to throw at you when they lose an argument? It's like, "Well, you ain't fucked anybody in a long time," right? So they value, high promiscuity, promiscuity and fertility because they always love to taunt you about your race is dying out. Was it tell us about black people? They value-- Hey, shit, man, your white woman love a nigga mine. Dude, yeah, I know, but like, again, I'm trying to make a serious point here. That's what they value, and that's what they're good at. But right, what,↗

4:33:02Speaker 20what did that get them? It got them a massive minko, minko epidemic in Africa that the whites had to bail them out of.↗

4:33:08@malleusigSeriously, guys, listen, I love you, all of you, minko, I love you too, but you gotta Right? I'm just trying to make a point here. The point is that different groups will value the thing that they're good at, that is their unique gift, right? And this is going to be an issue because whites largely created the culture of America, created the culture of Europe, and as long as we are having this argument in English- You're going to have blacks or Arabs or other people that are in this discussion with us that are going to be culturally, you know, gonna be culturally European because they're born in America, born in Europe, raised, whatever, right? And so they are going to be like, "No, no, I want to be the intelligent race," and so they can argue with you because they value the things that our culture has taught them to value. You see what I'm saying? Right? So this, that's why this discussion gets so heated. If we were having this discussion just between,↗

4:34:13@malleusigBritish and, you know, Congolese in the seventeenth century, the British and the Congolese would actually be pretty cool with each other because the British would say, "Well, we're better at math and whatever," and the Congolese would be like, "We don't give a shit about math, we're better at having sex and producing lots of children because that's what we value." And both sides would go away happy because they can both agree that you're good at this and I'm good at this, and Care or value the thing you're good at, so there's no reason to argue. You see what I'm saying? What I'm getting at?↗

4:34:51@malleusigExcellent. Now you can go, Mac O'Shanness, if you wanted to jump in.↗

4:34:55Speaker 20Now I was just making the point that for blacks to be promiscuous, it ended up having an extraordinarily negative effect On them because you had the only place in the world where AIDS really took off among heterosexuals, which was in Africa, you had a massive AIDS epidemic that was actually like genocide levels of death, and the only reason it didn't get much worse is because white people had to go in through all sorts of NGOs and like bail them out and protect them from themselves.↗

4:35:26@malleusigYeah, but you can look at, at AIDS as a kind of a black swan thing, right? Wait, what's that? Rwanda? Over I think it was everywhere in Africa, but like if you look at, if you look at the entire history of the, of the continent, you're dealing at, on the order of hundreds of thousands of years. One black swan where one disease comes in isn't gonna be a huge deal in terms of evolutionary procedure or like how evolution works out. But I agree, it, it, it did cause a lot of deaths. And people have made the argument that AIDS was part of this ongoing war between whites, between different groups of whites. One group of whites wants To depopulate the African continent. The other point wants to hyperpopulate the African continent so they can flood the rest of the world with the, the surplus Africans. And I think we know which side won. But the, the point is, this is, again, this is an evolutionary advantage in their environment. In their environment where your kids are getting picked off by tigers and rhinoceroses or, you know, wildebeests every day, then having more children is a good thing It doesn't matter if those kids grow up to be doctors or even have shoes on their feet, you just wanna have as many as possible because half or seventy-five percent are eventually aren't gonna, they're not gonna make it to breeding age. You see what I'm saying?↗

4:36:48@malleusigThat's only, and that's only a disadvantage in European countries because European countries don't reward high fertility, they don't reward thoughtless- high fertility, where you're just pumping out kids willy-nilly, we reward, fertility where you're investing into your children and you're getting them ready to compete in the adult European environment. And blacks, overall, I mean, not everyone, but overall, they, they tend not to follow up with that preparing your kids to compete well part. They just have a lot of kids↗

4:37:22Speaker 20Yeah, if you have a lot of kids in a Western society and you invest minimally in each of them, the odds are that those kids are going to be not climb as high in the society, and they're going to be ruled over by the parents who had maybe one child, maybe two, and invested much more heavily in them. Yeah. And people want their kids to be sort of in the higher echelons of society instead of being in the lower parts, so that's why you have this sort of race to the elite.↗

4:37:56@malleusigCorrect, correct. And see that's the difference in environment. So they do well on-- they do well in their environment, we do well in our environment, we don't do very well in each other's environments. Or at least not in-- Well, they would do↗

4:38:08Speaker 19much better in their environments without cultural relativism. They would. You know, cultural- Cultural relativism is ignoring the facts of racial, racial realism. Exactly. Because we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have cultural relativism if we didn't need abject denial. In other words, the people that are ruling us didn't need abject denial of the facts of racial realism, while high culture is clearly existent, exists in Western civilization in a way that it doesn't in sub-Saharan Africa. It's, it's very obvious, right? Right. But to deny To deny racial, relativism leads straight away to cultural relativism. Now, th- if you look no further than the invasion across America's southern border, just do this thought experiment. Okay, instead of invading, everybody in South America, we're gonna play a little musical chairs here, except no one loses. Everybody in South America gets to come to North America, and all the white people in North America get to go to South America, and we're gonna close the doors in both directions, and you get to have everything, the big buildings, the big shiny buildings, the banks, all- All the stuff that's here, you get to have it. Just don't come knocking on our door tomorrow asking to borrow a cup of sugar, because you'll realize that it's not the land that we're standing on, it's us. And so what you're really doing is you're enslaving us. That's what-- this, this is enslavement by decimal points, and I understand that many of them are unwitting accomplices to the people who do wish to enslave us, because when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you certainly want to import more Pauls, because you can count on his That the reason why you're coming here is to be with a, a, apparently a more productive, more creative race of people. That's it, just acknowledge it. Because if you don't acknowledge it, you're gonna say mean and nasty things about us. And who wants someone to come visit you and say mean and nasty things? Oh, you're living in a big house. Oh, you guys have all this, that, and the other. Yeah, it's kind of what we do here, right? And if we go there, we're gonna do it there, right? So↗

4:40:07Speaker 19racial relatio Don't acknowledge it, it's going to lead to cultural relativity, and, and what does that do? That destroys the people in the cultures, like in Africa, because you don't acknowledge, "Oh gosh, you should do what these other people are doing, listen to what they're doing, why do they have potable water? You know, why do they have all these great things?" And the second thing is, importing the third world is a mistake because they bring, they bring it with them. The third world's a state of mind, they bring it with them when they come.↗

4:40:36@malleusigYeah, yeah. And the best, one of the best examples for that is places like, Zimbabwe or South Africa, where you have a wonderful functioning high society, and, then they decide to get rid of all the whites, and look where we are now. And that's, I can't think of a more abject, example than that. You know, society. Yeah,↗

4:41:01Speaker 19well, well, Zimbabwe, which was Rhodesia, was the bread-- That was the breadbasket of Africa. They were feeding Africa because these farmers in the 19th century thought, "Gosh, this is really good growing land. We go here, have these giant, big farms, and of course, it's way more than they can eat, and they became the breadbasket to Africa." Now what happened? Mugabe, Mugabe gets in there, and he, of course, starts killing all the white people. He was trained in a, he was trained Trained in, trained in Israel, by the way. Mugabe was literally trained in Israel. Right. Look it up, there's an article about it on, Leaky Line. Yeah, we do know, we know. So he, he killed all these people, right? Got rid of all the white people, I mean, there are like a handful of white people left, really high functioning. And then what happened? Then they're all starving. And amazingly, talk about low IQ, they interviewed the people and they're like, "We don't know what happened. Like we don't↗

4:41:57Speaker 19This is absolutely comical. The South Africans have an immigration problem because the people living in Zimbab, Zimbabwe are living in such exiguous hand-to-mouth poverty that they're trying to get into this horrible country called South Africa in order to survive better. So you just can't make this stuff up. And all of this-- Political justice, definitely political. Yeah, they can't acknowledge racial realism. They can't go-- And, you know, they tried to get the white people to come back and pay them to run the farms, and they're like, "No, thank you, you already murdered us Children and all this. Yeah,↗

4:42:28@malleusigyeah. No, I, I, to be quite honest, I'm, I'm, I'm forced to revise everything that I was taught about colonialism, and to the point where I'm beginning to wonder if maybe we don't, we don't need a two point o Because that seems like it would be the happiest outcome for everyone involved. You literally have had, like, looking at, looking back on where we are in Africa today and where it was previously, yeah, sure, the whites were taking all of the magic rocks out of the ground that blacks weren't doing anything with anyway. But they were, you know, in res- in, in exchange for that, they were giving them a society that was safe, that they could survive in, that they could have kids, they could be happy in. And yeah, you had the up-- you, you, your jobs were like mostly domestic servants, but like, what are your jobs? What's your job prospects now? Like, regional warlord? Assistant, a lot↗

4:43:25Speaker 19of↗

4:43:35Speaker 22crime. It's super fucking dangerous, but it's, it's dangerous like how Chicago is dangerous. I wouldn't call it underdeveloped. That's not true. I would call it shitty, but I wouldn't call it underdeveloped. That's not true. No, 'cause the developed stuff in South Africa, the white people put in, and the crime the black people do. It's- No, the crime is way worse. South↗

4:43:53Speaker 19Africa than it is in Chicago. Yeah, yeah. They don't, they don't even bring, they don't even lift up their gates for their stores anymore. They just hand the things back and forth through the, the iron fences. No, sorry. Okay, you, you can see that in Chicago. That's what I mean.↗

4:44:10Speaker 22It's like you can see that in Chicago. Like, I wouldn't say South Africa is like-- I'm not saying South Africa is like some, like Vermont or Maine or something or one of these all-white places. I'm so↗

4:44:19@malleusigsorry to assert co-host privilege. I have to go now. So, thank you everyone, and this is a fantastic space. Kudos to Ian for setting this up. Thank you very much, Amiru. Thank you for, for joining, being patient with me.↗

4:44:37@malleusigand, and that's it. So, love you guys, have a great day, and I will see you, I think we're having another, another space, tomorrow in about twenty hours or so, so hopefully we'll see you there.↗

4:44:54Speaker 21Thanks, Rabbi, and I appreciate the discussion, and hopefully we can continue this at a later time, because I definitely think we're getting somewhere. And, so I appreciate your time, and I appreciate Ian for hosting this, and Joanne as well. Thank you guys.↗

4:45:21Speaker 19Ian, are you taking this to Truth Teller Space?↗

4:45:30Speaker 21I wonder if Ian's↗

4:45:36Speaker 19I'm not sure you might have stepped away. My bigger point about all this is, you know, I don't want us-- and I only want these discussions, I really believe that all truth helps, that there is no such thing as a bad truth or a good lie, and, and, and also, also from that point of view. And I always want to have these discussions with a little humility about everybody in the world, because Human solidarity isn't going to be, on the rise if we sort of gloat about our abilities or our... You know, we just need to not be punished for them. It's terrible to, anybody that's punished for their virtues should resist that with every fiber of their being, because of course, what is left if you give in to that, in virtue? And this is really, you know, the powers that be do the worst to the people that they purportedly represent. Look at what has happened to the Black community in America. I mean, why, why, why has it gone downhill in the way that it has? You know, it's not-- you know, that when I look in the inner city, for instance, I, I really feel bad for these people because you have to ask, what is their best choice, like right now? If you're a twenty-year-old person that's been, young male who's been sold this bill of goods and now you just have nowhere to go with your, you know, dearth of skills, and it's gotta-- I can see how that could really, really make someone angry. And so it really is, you know, an important discussion, but I don't want- I do care about all the, every human being on Earth with regard to, irrespective of their race, creed, geography, any of that.↗

4:47:27Speaker 22But do, do you not think, David, that that, like, I also think that, like, obviously, there's a, I'm sure like a lot of people agree with me on this. There's like an obvious Jewish element to it. I'm not saying that, you know, Jews held blacks at every black in America at gunpoint, 'cause then, you know, you would see the same thing in Africa, you'd see, you wouldn't see the same thing in Africa, you wouldn't see the same thing in the Caribbean, you wouldn't see the same thing↗

4:47:55Speaker 22In, in pretty much everywhere, right? In, in South America, but a-at the same time, in Brazil or wherever, but at the same time, I do think the Jews take advantage of that, right? They, they take advantage of the different, like, innate kind of strengths and weaknesses that are just generally ostensibly present, ontologically present in each of the different races. So like when it comes to, like, white people, for like if I, like in black people, different races, like if I was black, I would look around at my,↗

4:48:25Speaker 22Describing so much of this, I don't know what the word for it is, stuff that triggers Afro fatigue, I guess. And I'd be thinking to myself, you know, this is, this is how the Jews got 'em, right? And if I was like a white person in, like, let's say, like, I don't know, in the, in the Bible Belt, I'd look around and I'd say, well, you know, you look at some of these evangelicals, and it's like, well, the Jews got them in a different way.↗

4:48:53Speaker 22I I guess more, rural or more, l-l-like less kind of, the, the, the more country folks, the Jews managed to get them in another way, you know? So I think the Jews managed to take advantage of the, innate strength and weaknesses in order to promote their goals, right? So like when you look at some of these evangelicals or, or some white communities in the Bible Belt, the Jews will get them through, you know, Zionism, through all this, dispensationalism. When you look at blacks, Jews, and a lot of evangelicals↗

4:49:25Speaker 22People get them through, you know, this, the, like popular culture and through, stuff like that, right? It's like you, like you said, David, you know, you ask, a black person to name you, like, well, you did this with Jews, but you ask a black person to name you, like, you know, their greatest, you know, aficionados and mental, intellectual titans, they're not gonna say Tchaikovsky and Bach and whoever, they're gonna say like, you know, they're gonna say, " It's pretty good, but, you know what I mean?↗

4:49:58Speaker 19Well, just think if they'd do that, if they did that with us. I'll give you a perfect example, where they show all the young black people raiding a store, and then the Biden administration says, "The term looter is racist." They're literally telling us that black people are looters. And meanwhile, the vast majority of black people are watching this on television and going, "Why don't you put those people in jail?" Right? So notice what's happening here, right? Just think of this as a matrix, right? Notice what's happening. You're supposed to think that they think that that's okay, the "they," right? Same with the Black Lives Matter thing. That was all Kabuki theater. That was all Jewish supremacy, right? 'Cause they were like, "Let's get rid of the police forces." In the black community, so everybody, remember, the majority of people in the black community in even inner cities actually have jobs. They have jobs, they have families, and you're telling them when they pick up the phone and call the cop, no one's-- cops aren't gonna come. So you're saying the bad black people win, the good ones don't, right? Meanwhile, all the white communities get to keep their cops. They're relatively safe, wealthier, more affluent communities that actually don't need cops as much, and yet they don't lose any of their cops. But the- People where they need 'em. Who did this help, right? Who did this make stronger? Remember the underclass of black people in America during COVID, those people were, were employed at a greater rate in that before COVID hit than they had ever been employed in history. They were taking a hand up over a hand down in absolutely historical, you know, historical numbers. And then what did they do? They destroyed the economy and said, "Get back to On that plantation, you need us. You do what we say, it's going to be back to the old game of, "We give you things, you're a dependent, and you vote for us, or we don't give you these things anymore." You see that? See that? It wasn't really about black and white, it was about Jewish supremacy.↗

4:52:09Speaker 21It's hard to disagree with you there. I think you're absolutely right about that.↗

4:52:16Speaker 19But this is all divide and conquer, right? I mean, and this is why that we have to think of it as, it's the same, of course, as Muslim and Christian. What the Israelis are doing in the Middle East, right? If Mus- if Islam and Chris- if Muslims and Christians said, "Hey, we're brothers and sisters, and we're not gonna hate each other anymore," if we just did that, these people would just go away. That's it. They would have no one again. Yeah, that, that,↗

4:52:41Speaker 22that's why in, if you look in the '60s, right? There was a lot of collaborative, effort. I wouldn't say a lot, but no, there was a decent amount of collaborative effort between, white Christian nationalists, like the American Nazi Party and, and Rockwell, and a lot of, black Muslim groups, like Malcolm X and, and other black Muslims. So there was already since the '60s, right? Even before the, the Six Day↗

4:53:08Speaker 22you know, dip- diplomacy being reached between Muslims and Christians in America that represented the, the black and white communities, respectively. And so they, they, they had to do everything in their power to stymie that, and that's why they created the, the black-white race war, in America. It's the same thing as the Muslim-Christian, religious, sectarianism the Jews try to create because it was this level of diplomacy reached between, black Muslims and white Christian nationalists in America that made the Jews wanna stymie that and,↗

4:53:38Speaker 19Imagine if we're the new, we're the new Jewish supremacists. Imagine if we're gonna take over, we're gonna do the same thing, just us in this room. Wouldn't we do all these same things? Wouldn't we say, "Well, we're going to invade the Middle East, we're going to stir up anger and hatred for us among Muslims, and then, wait for it, we're gonna import them into our countries, but we're not gonna import them judiciously based on where they appreciate our Western values and based on the best of the best coming over." No, no We're just going to wholesale import them and hope a whole bunch of them that hate us for doing what we're doing in the Middle East come to Western civilization. Okay, wait, we're not done yet. Now we're going to foment that hatred and we're gonna call the people in our civilization racist for not being tolerant towards them, and we're gonna tell them to be less tolerant within that civilization. You see, all of this is like looking into a carnival mirror. It's not reality. They're creating some version of reality for themselves To divide and conquer us. It's just so obvious. You can almost find the ge-the nexus between any of this divide and conquer stuff, whether it be rich and poor, Muslims versus Christians, Blacks versus Whites, even gays versus straights. All of this is, I mean, think, imagine being a gay person↗

4:54:57Speaker 19For, you know, like say you're 40 years old, so you remember when it wasn't such a big deal, and all of a sudden you're being told because you're gay that you actually want the public, the government schools to indoctrinate kids to try to convince them that they're gay. I mean, what? And to have like these trans dancers. All of this is clearly, clearly trying to make us hate each other. And it's one group of people that's doing it. So it's just like we all need to go, oh, wait, they're doing it again, no, no, no, they're doing it again. Hey, Amaru, David, you hate each other, yeah, I got it, you want us to fight. Now, we're, we're, no, we're not gonna do that. That's really, once you see it, it's just like a magician doing a trick too many times, don't you think that?↗

4:55:41Speaker 21Absolutely, I mean, they're just like merchants, they're just like, con And they poisoned the well and everything. and they turn us against each other, and they call everything woke now, everything that they don't like. They just improvise as they go and, but you know something I wanna say that I see when, you know, I have a unique experience being a Lebanese American, having seen kind of like third world peasants, and those most of my life in America, I really see the difference between a first world and a third worlder.↗

4:56:22Speaker 21even in my own, let's say, race, and I can see the difference between-- I have a lot of cousins, so some are, in Western countries and some are in Lebanon, and there's a very, very big difference between them, and that helps me even believe more that, in the whole first world thing is applicable to everybody as long as you're raised in the right place, and, and that's not related to IQ specifically, but there's a particular type of third worlder conman thing, or, or, you know, something that kind of looks like what Jews↗

4:56:51Speaker 21Stereotype, and I know it's very controversial to say this, because especially even for us, we don't wanna encourage the whole anti-Muslim thing that Jews are trying to use as cover, but I think just the third world version of anybody, like the MAGA of a country, essentially, right? Like, not old MAGA, but current MAGA, we all know that there's something wrong with them. So, like the, the MAGA of Lebanon, the third world archetype, there's like these mafia families, where they're very large extended families living together, and they Often armed and will be violent if necessary, and there's often rivalry, and I feel like there's a certain kind of tendency to be in-group oriented within Middle Eastern culture in general, not for nefarious reasons with Middle Eastern people, but with drawbacks as a result, but with,↗

4:57:40Speaker 21Jewish supremacists in, in particular, they, don't recognize the Jews and anyone with the Middle Eastern DNA, enough of it, at least the culture being transmitted. they have this insane in-group preference weaponized, and it also leads to that out-group psychopathy, I think that you always talk about David, which I think is spot on. I think the in-group preference tendency of Middle Eastern people, weaponized by their false religion,↗

4:58:06Speaker 21makes them really in-group oriented and very out-like, hostile to, to the out-group by nature. Not, not to mention that it's encoded into their teachings.↗

4:58:19Speaker 23I wouldn't really see that because you can have American Muslims in America, whether they're black or whether, you know, Middle Eastern or Pakistani or- you're right.↗

4:58:30Speaker 19You're- You're rugging, aren't you?↗