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- 0:00Bilzerian vs. Fuentes: Unity or Division?Ian Malcolm opens the space, questioning the escalating conflict between Dan Bilzerian and Nick Fuentes and its impact on unity.
- 28:58Groyper Strategy: Voting Democrat in OhioAndy explains the Groyper strategy of voting Democrat in Ohio to disrupt the Republican party and promote America First candidates.
- 49:17Infighting: Detrimental to the CauseOrwell and Joanne express concern that infighting between figures like Bilzerian and Fuentes is exploited by adversaries.
- 1:15:57Fuentes' Reluctance to Back Casey PutschAndy discusses why Nick Fuentes might have been hesitant to endorse Casey Putsch, fearing a blow to his reputation.
- 1:38:53Fuentes' Influence and ControversiesFalou and Gentile critique Nick Fuentes' inconsistencies, perceived immaturity, and the artificiality of some of his support.
- 2:03:04The Rothschilds and Epstein FilesForrest passionately argues that neither Fuentes nor Bilzerian adequately address the Rothschilds' influence, connecting them to the Epstein files.
- 2:56:03Solutions: Peaceful Protest and New PartiesForrest and others propose solutions like peaceful mass protests and new political parties to address systemic issues.
- 3:17:20Fuentes' Strategy: 5D Chess or Moral Compromise?David Nietzsche criticizes Fuentes' strategy as a moral compromise, arguing for principled action over perceived political advantage.
- 3:34:03The 'Fed' Accusation and Fuentes' OdditiesKhan details the origins of the 'fed' accusations against Fuentes, highlighting his strange behavior and inconsistencies.
- 4:05:08Yitz on Anti-Semitism and GenocideYitz provocatively discusses anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, and defends Randy Fine's controversial statements, leading to heated debate.
- 4:21:05Groyper Loyalty and the Future of the MovementA campaign volunteer highlights the strong Groyper support for Dan Bilzerian, while others debate the movement's direction and Fuentes' influence.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmGood God, y'all. Joanne, hopefully the audio was coming in okay there for that little track. Is that the case, hopefully?
@joann_marieYes, it sounded great, Ian. And thank you so much for hosting. And everybody, please repost this page. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And follow Ian. And I don't know what that song was. Which one was it?
Ian MalcolmOh, you don't? Okay, let's see if Ricardo or anybody else from Purple Pill wants to take a guess.
Speaker 1That's war.
Ian MalcolmThat is war. Now here's a little, here's bonus trivia. This will be real outside the norm. Can anybody into the purple pill add the movie that prominently featured that song? And the little hint for all the listeners, it is a comedy. Circa, I would say probably maybe the early 2000s, if I'm not mistaken. If anybody can take a wild guess at the Purple Pill, we got one comment in the bill.
Ian MalcolmNope, it is not the thing that I was hoping it would be. We'll see if anybody else can get what War is from. Very funny comedy movie back in the day. Before all the insanity of modernity, although here's hint two, not only a... comedy, but also one featuring a rather diverse cast of leading characters there. It's a black guy and an Asian guy, if that helps anybody else try to try to get it.
Ian MalcolmBut, uh, but Joanne, I thought I would open this space because just when I thought this whole dynamic with, uh, with Nick Fuentes from today, who didn't get more bizarre and look, I, uh, in, in the earlier space, I tried to dance around the issue a little bit. because I found the posts a little bit strange. And I do sincerely believe that we need unity above anything and everything else, right?
Ian MalcolmWe need everybody banding together and recognizing that there's a common denominator. It is subverting everything. The left-right paradigm is all a ruse. We all live in the Truman Show. And if inside the Truman Show, you are going to go to the boxing match. And you're going to watch either of the two people and say, well, that guy didn't do so great last time.
Ian MalcolmI'm going to cheer for the other guy. You're still watching the show. And so as a result to think that kind of supporting red team or blue team or supporting blue team to get back at red team, all this is essentially doing, I'm going to be very curious for people's takes on this, right? But it seems like this could be doing a couple of things.
Ian MalcolmNumber one, it could be creating division, which for what it's worth, Dan Bilzerian in throwing a post at Nick Fuentes, that's certainly going to further it, right? So perhaps if Dan was going to suggest that Nick is creating drama and division, well, Dan has just exacerbated that. But that's his prerogative. And Fuentes definitely has some controversial takes.
Ian MalcolmAnd I certainly respect both the intellect of Dan and Nick. And I appreciate what Nick has done to bring awareness to this issue. And I don't doubt that a lot of Dan Bilzerian's awakening to it probably can be attributed in some capacity to Nick Fuentes. So credit and kudos to both of them. But it is Dan Bilzerian who's going out on the front line.
Ian MalcolmHe's actually getting into the political arena, something I assume Nick Fuentes is going to do in the future, right? Either way, they're both stirring up a little bit of division in a time when we need a lot of unity. We don't need people infighting. We don't need the Groypers now trying to dismantle and destroy Dan Bilzerian.
Ian Malcolmwhich actually is a interesting wrinkle in this entire thing, because let's not forget that it is the very, well, I shouldn't say the most recent post, but the most recent Nick Fuentes post that I commented on was basically saying, we're going to get back at the Republicans by voting Democrat. And then everybody will get so angry because of what's going to follow that the Republicans will learn their lesson and they won't be quite as pro-Israel next time.
Ian MalcolmAnd the Democrats, well, they're bad, but they're not as bad as Trump. Well, The Biden administration was arguably worse than Trump because the United States military has been outsourced to Israel in the Middle East. It's just on permanent lease to Israel. And it has been since essentially the turn of the century, right?
Ian MalcolmSo not much has changed there, whether it's Democrat or Republican. And people will say, well, the Democrats didn't go to war with Iran. They went to war with other people. We all remember the famed Barack Obama lying in the sand. that he actually didn't aggress upon, but he did aggress upon others, right? The whole reason that was a line in the sand was because there was ongoing conflict.
Ian MalcolmThe Obama administration exacerbated it. The Bush administration essentially started it. You can actually go back to Bush senior who laid the groundwork for it, right? This is not something that the Biden administration put an absolute halt to. Where was it that Biden's cabinet was spending all of their free days? Oh, that's right.
Ian MalcolmOver in Ukraine. What was happening over there during that time? Oh, that's right. We're just going to get more of the same. And if the suggestion is that if you vote for the Democrats, well, then that's going to stick it to the Republicans. You're also sticking it to your community because the Democrats are going to get more mass migration.
Ian MalcolmThey're going to push more LGBT propaganda on your children. They're going to normalize all the subversion of essentially Americana. They're going to rip out all your statues. They're going to demoralize all of your children in their schools. This is not a solution. The only solution is triangulating the problem and saying, no, we're not going to vote for the Republicans because they're Zionists.
Ian MalcolmWe're not going to vote for the Democrats because they're communists and Bolsheviks. We're not going to vote for either of them. We will only vote for people that are in opposition to Zionism and Jewish supremacy. That is it. All else need not apply. Don't even show up. We're not going to support you. That seems pretty basic.
Ian MalcolmSeems pretty reasonable. And I do find it curious that we seemed to have a candidate in Casey Putsch. I'm sure he's got lots of flaws and lots of faults. And there are accusations that his campaign, that he wasn't doing a great job. That's entirely possible. But it was really funny because a lot of the critiques of Casey Putsch was, well, I'd never heard of the guy.
Ian MalcolmWell, you probably would have heard of him if the very commentators that you follow, like, oh, I don't know, maybe that one that we're talking about here, if he had done more to bring attention to that campaign. So you can't blame Casey Butch for running an imperfect campaign if you didn't do something to potentially contribute to it.
Ian MalcolmIn fact, you can make the argument that Nick Fuentes detracted from it. That's not ideal. We need candidates that are going to be in opposition to this machine. And because of what took place in Ohio with the governorship run, you now have Vivek Ramaswamy, the H-1B. absolutist who's just going to import endless slave labor from India with its average IQ in the low seventies, or you get the democratic Jew that is going to push all the other things that the Biden administration pushed.
Ian MalcolmNeither of these is a solution. Casey puts was probably a decent alternative. That is what we need to support people that will speak out against this system. And so now in an era where we need to all unified together at every turn, it looks like division, division, division, division and division of what? division of the very group of people that are trying to beget the unity so that we can stand in opposition to what is essentially a supremacist machine that controls both sides of the aisle.
Ian MalcolmNow there's an argument to be made and we're certainly going to have it. Anybody is welcome to a microphone. You can come up and say, you love Dan Bilzerian and you love Nick Fuentes, but here is your position on the issue. You can hate or love either of them. You can hate both of them, right? But try to explain What is happening?
Ian MalcolmBecause in all sincerity, I know people like Andy might have a very different take than I have. What I do know is that division right now is not ideal. And I also know that it is unreasonable to suggest that anybody is untouchable. This notion that you're supposed to tune into Nick Fuentes, listen to what he says, program it into your brain without question, and then to regurgitate it on the internet.
Ian MalcolmThat is not critical thinking. And anybody who suggests or recommends that that is how you should approach politics, you shouldn't probably pay attention to them, at least not that piece of it. That is a cult of personality. It's extremely dangerous. It's ironically the very thing that MAGA was, the very thing that Nick Fuentes accurately critiqued it for being.
Ian MalcolmSo if the Groypers are becoming the MAGAites or whatever you want to call the MAGA people, If they are becoming essentially one in the same type of ideological framework, not saying they agree with the same things, but if they approach the world the same way, oh, I just listened to that person. I just do whatever they tell me.
Ian MalcolmThat is weak. It's effeminate. It's intellectually lazy. It's largely how we got into the mess that we're in because people weren't able to see through the programming of the left right paradigm. Don't replace that with a paradigm where you just base everything upon what one person tells you. And I made this comment. It just, it's curious.
Ian MalcolmBecause we talk a lot about Orwell and I see that we've got him in here. I hope he's able to join. I'd be very curious for his thought on this because who is big brother for anybody familiar with the book? Well, big brother is the overlord, but he's not the tyrant, at least not to the people that believe in him. And so I've often looked at the landscape and I've said, who is big brother in modernity?
Ian MalcolmWho is BB as they refer to him? Who is the person that everybody looks at on the television and they nod their head along? in the B, B, B, B mantra for anybody who's read the book. Who is it that is the hero? For a long time, I thought it was going to be Elon. I thought they were going to hold him up. And whatever Elon said, that was the good thing.
Ian MalcolmLet's just push everybody on the Elon train. But you start to look at the map and you could probably make an interesting argument that it might be Nick Fuentes. I'm not attacking the guy. I'm just saying if I try to understand the political landscape. Who is it that is young, that is charismatic, and that has a large following of people that basically look at the telescreen or the television, they nod along, they accept the programming, they do it without question.
Ian MalcolmBecause apparently it was unreasonable to think that Charlie Kirk and his assassination might have been connected to Israel. I remember when that was totally unreasonable for anybody that was in that camp. No, no, no. How dare you think that might have been the case? Only for Turning Point USA. Post Charlie Kirk to become a super Zionist machine.
Ian MalcolmSo who might have benefit from that? Oh, right. Israel. It's very curious. There are a couple angles that are very reasonable to critique. But if you critique any of it, you are thrown out. It's the baby. It's the bathwater. It's the entire bathroom. The groipers will come after you. That's the last little comment. You can dislike.
Ian MalcolmDan Bilzerian, you can love him. You can dislike Nick Fuentes. You can love him. I don't care. I want to engage in good faith with people. But you know what the curious thing is? I didn't critique Nick Fuentes as a person. I actually made a post where I said, he's smart. He's clever. These positions are not on this idea of just vote Democrat to stick it to the Republicans.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm curious for other people's takes. You know what was the really interesting part? The responses to it mirrored almost perfectly. One group of people in their responses to my content, which was Jews or Zionists. And why do I say that? Well, because all of the responses weren't. Here's why Nick's position is reasonable.
Ian MalcolmIt was your low IQ. You don't watch his show, so you don't get it. It was all this condescension. You know what else it included? We should mass report this guy. We should dox this guy who has his information. Let's talk to him and mass report him and get him kicked off of Twitter. Who does that sound like? And I'll put into the purple pill.
Ian MalcolmThat's literally how Gripers were responding merely to me saying, I think this is a bad strategy from a really smart person. I don't understand why that's the case. And so I bring this space up. I bring this, this topic up because obviously this is going to go nuclear because Dan Bilzerian basically just accused Nick Fuentes, not even basically he did.
Ian MalcolmHe said, I think Nick Fuentes is a fed. That was his comment and his observation on the behavior. I'm not taking that position. What I do believe though, is that the cult of personality behind Nick Fuentes, whether let's say regardless of how authentic or artificial some of it might be. And I do believe that they are largely bodied.
Ian MalcolmI think that there's a massive following for this person that is on likely all these other social channels. I think that there's probably a whole lot of efforts to boost posts and I'm hoping that all of that is done. Let's say naturally. and reasonably, and I think the guy does have a very big following. I'm not discounting any of that, right?
Ian MalcolmBut it does seem like there are some other mechanisms taking place with big accounts, clipper accounts, and all of this other kind of stuff that I saw an interesting video that was talking exactly about this subject in regards to clavicular that I'm sure all of you have seen all over X, everywhere you turn, clavicular, clavicular.
Ian MalcolmHe hit himself with another hammer. Why is this guy all over X? Oh, because he's got a stream through kick and the very group that owns that contract with him also owns a company that does marketing and advertising of influencers. So because he is on contract, it'd be no different than professional wrestling, paying a company to make sure that their professional wrestlers were front and center on all of the social media so that you paid attention to them.
Ian MalcolmThat might very well be happening with other influencers, Dan Bilzerian, Nick Fuentes, whomever. And I say that because some of these posts certainly seem What I do think is sincere is Dan Bilzerian, his critiques on Jewish supremacy, his attempts to bring attention to it. I give him a lot of credit for it. I give Nick Fuentes a lot of credit because without him, Jewish supremacy would not be a topic that you could even really talk about on X.
Ian MalcolmThe only reason that we can have these conversations is because that's been forced function into some piece of the zeitgeist. So I give credit to both sides, but I do find this very destructive. Dan Bilzerian needs all the help he can get. Going at Nick Fuentes is not a way to create that. Maybe it is in some long to mid run, but in the short term, he's probably going to get attacked for it.
Ian MalcolmHe's probably going to have all of the Groyper army after him. And that's probably detrimental to essentially everybody. And so I'm really curious, what if this is sincere? What is artificial? And let's start first and foremost with Mr. Andy, who probably disagrees with a lot of my worldviews on this subject. And I welcome those.
Speaker 2Yeah, so the thing about voting Democrat in Ohio, we do not like the Democrat. It's that if Vivek wins, it will normalize the Republican Party being pro-H1B, pro-data centers, and that. Okay, go back to 2024. You had Trump get a historic share of the youth vote because there were young people that would have normally voted Democrat that crossed over party lines because they're upset about Ukraine, war, Gaza, and they believe Trump's promise of no new wars.
Speaker 2And they're like, well, it can't be any worse. than what they had under Biden. And now you see where the Democrat Party has shifted. You have Graham Platner running in Maine, who was up by 27 points in Democratic primary against a two-term incumbent governor of Maine for that Senate primary. So that shifted the Democrats to now nominating anti-Zionist candidates.
Speaker 2So if we can beat Vivek in Vance's home state and say, no, Vivek, we reject you. We reject H-1B visas. We reject these data centers. If we can beat him, we're hoping it can then shift the Republican Party to nominate more America first, anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish supremacy candidates in 2028. It's not that we have any love for Amy Acton.
Speaker 2We don't. That's what this is about. So for any illusions that, oh, we love the Democrats and we think that they're a viable political solution. No, no, we don't think the Democrats are going to come in and fix everything and make Ohio great. That's not it at all.
@joann_marieSo Andy, but, oh, no, go for it, Dan.
Ian MalcolmYeah, so Andy, out of curiosity, okay, so walk me through this because, again, and I'm very candid, I don't watch Fuentes. I see his clips on X. Otherwise, I am totally indifferent to his show. And I say that with no disrespect. Just do not have either, I don't want to say the interest, but... Don't have the time. Let's say if I do have available time, I put it onto this, trying to be constructive with all of you.
Ian MalcolmSo your position is that his position Fuentes is that right now, the best thing to have happen for Ohio, given that Vivek is now the candidate. And I'll be curious for your thoughts on the Casey push Vivek piece, because I mean, Casey was able to get 18% of the vote with $120,000, a very, very small relative to Vivek.
Ian Malcolmonline personality and virtually no visibility outside of the automotive engineering world that he had a small niche in, right? So the guy had everything going after or against him and still was able to get almost a fifth of the vote, meaning that if he had have had the support of some bigger voices, perhaps he could have put up a much closer if, you know, I don't want to say he could have won, but it could have been a much closer race and maybe he could have won in some outside chance, right?
Ian MalcolmBut your suggestion is, That now that they're in the situation that they're in, where the actual pro-American, pro-Christian, anti-Zionist candidate Casey Push has been pushed aside. Now you've got Vivek and the Jew, the Democrat. And as a result, to stick it to Vivek and the Republicans and Trump and MAGA, the move is to support the Democrat, knowing very well that that's going to be detrimental for a large number of other reasons.
Ian MalcolmEither way, they're screwed because Vivek also sucks. Don't get me wrong. But you're suggesting that as a result of things getting worse because of the Democrat Jew that will get elected if Fuentes has his way, that in a future state, people will say this sucks so much that now we demand a nationalistic character or figure that's going to be far more, let's say, pro-America or America first.
Speaker 2Ohio also has a Republican state legislature, so it will actually be gridlocked first. So if anything, it will just be a lot of gridlock and kind of just status quo and nothing will really be able to get done because they'll actually have to compromise on legislation. So not much will actually really get done. You'll have a Democrat Jew and then you'll have a Republican legislature and it'll just kind of be garden variety politics versus if you had Vivek in there with Republican legislature, they'd get the whole Peter Thiel, Wes Wexner agenda through.
Speaker 2So I feel like gridlock is honestly better than giving Vivek the reins to a large Midwestern state.
Ian MalcolmNo, that now that is reasonable. Now, now help me with the following two things. So Fuentes is post. you're saying then in this case is specific exclusively to the Vivek Ohio governorship run.
Speaker 2I mean, he's talking about a lot of other races as well.
Ian MalcolmThat was my understanding.
Speaker 2Okay, so you would agree this isn't just Vivek. I mean, my way of looking at this is Biden wasn't consider, this is just my way. I mean, I don't speak for Nick Fuentes. I don't hang out with Nick Fuentes. So I obviously cannot put words into his mouth. But in 2022, Republicans were expected to dominate in the midterms and then they didn't.
Speaker 2And then that took Biden from not wanting to run for reelection. And then he did after Republicans only barely won in the midterms. So if Republicans get blown out in November, this is just my take on this. It will cripple Vance and Rubio and be like, look, people are not happy with the way this administration is going.
Speaker 2And then it will create more of the impetus to try to get an America first style. candidates, someone on the right that does not support Israel, whoever that may be. If Republicans are competitive in the midterms, it will validate, and then everyone in MAGA will be like, everyone expected a blue wave, and it was only a 5% loss or whatever.
Speaker 2That's not as bad as the 8% loss that Republicans had in 2018. This shows that MAGA's alive and well, so we need to crush this MAGA's alive and well narrative. This is just my opinion on that.
Speaker 1Hey, Andy, good to see you. Do you think that there's a shift with some Democrats, which I think could align with our values that are what used to be considered the red dog Democrats?
Speaker 2The blue dog Democrats? Yeah, I think those are called blue dog Democrats, but I definitely could see some Democrats crossing over and supporting someone like a Dan Bilzerian. But now I think that race is cooked if he and Fuentes are going to fight each other. That's just going to be a lot of young people that would vote for him that probably aren't going to be engaged anymore and it's just like my whole plan like by premise of an america first candidate winning required everyone on the right who is israel critical to be coming together in like this grand coalition and i haven't seen any of that and it's not and it's like everyone just attacks each other one day and then his friends the next day then you have tucker going out and saying i regret interviewing nick fuentes nick fuentes is irrelevant nick fuentes
Speaker 2is far from irrelevant. He's one of the biggest names in politics. So when you have Tucker shitting down Nick Fuentes' throat, that's not helpful in any way, shape, or form. And it's like, okay, so you're going to do that. Like, Tucker's going to completely end up self-imploding and destroying his following by doing that.
Speaker 2Like, that interview boosted both of them, and that was mutually beneficial for both of them because I feel like a lot more young people started watching Tucker after that. And now they're going to be like, what the hell, dude? Like, Tucker comes up when he calls Nick Fuentes irrelevant. Tucker does come off as just, like, a jealous Gen Xer who's jealous of, like, the young up-and-coming guy.
Speaker 2And Tucker, in that interview, did say, like, Nick Fuentes is a better speaker than me. Like, he's extremely gifted. And then he turns around now and is like, oh, this guy's irrelevant? Like, that's just completely ridiculous. Like, it seems like for Tucker to just do that 180 on Nick Fuentes like that.
Ian MalcolmBut so, Andy, and real quickly, because we've had the blessing, and I call it that, of talking to Dan a couple different times. And again, it comes across very sincere and seems like he's kind of open arms to any and all the support that he can get, which I think is a great thing.
Speaker 2I hope this is just a temporary crash. That was Dan. We've had Jake Shields snap and go at Groypers and say, line up 10 Groypers. I'm going to fight them. And then it's been patched up before. So I'm just hoping this is some... temporary blow up.
Ian MalcolmBut I don't even know. So let me ask you this. Let's put it this way, because the crash out, I would assume that this is not driven by some kind of emotional outburst. But obviously, this is something of significance, right? This is a pretty I don't want to call it aggressive, but it's a pretty strong accusation that obviously would bring into question not just the present, but also the past and the sincerity of where Fuentes is trying to go.
Ian MalcolmRight, so I'm sure Dan's been thinking about this for a long time. What do you think that he would be basing that on? I mean, we can read through the text in there about specifically what's going on in Ohio, but do you think that there's something larger at play or that there's more history behind it?
Speaker 2I just think there's just a lot of skepticism in the right-wing movements anyways. Like after January 6th, everyone's like, oh, is this person a Fed? Is that person a Fed? Like someone suggested, like, why isn't there a right-wing... anti-war, anti-Israel protests, and people are like, I don't want to go out there. I'm afraid I'll get doxxed or falsely accused of a crime.
Speaker 2So just ever since January 6th, there's just this air of skepticism, and everyone's skeptical of each other over things. And I think that was the biggest thing about January 6th. It was never this whole get Trump thing. It was to delegitimize and make anyone who's real right-wing, real America first, not faking gay America first like Trump,
Speaker 2skeptical of each other and be like, well, they had feds on January 6th, so what if Nick's a fed? What if Dan's a fed? What if Tucker, Candace, whatever? And to have all of us calling each other feds instead of combating Israel and Jewish supremacy. If everyone whose anti-Israel on the right came together, we could easily get one of our candidates the nomination in 2028.
Speaker 2But if we're fighting each other, there's no chance. And that's the problem. They created this skepticism, so everyone's too busy fighting each other and not focusing on the prize. And that is the problem. And I don't know why Dan would go after Nick. I mean, I love the message he's running on. And it's like, I'm not one to like weigh in on influence their drama.
Speaker 2Like that's not why I got into this. I got like, I want to save this country. Like if I want to go back to doing drama, I'll fricking go back to tweeting about the WNBA. If I want to get into fricking.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no. Andy, please don't do that. But what I will say, and I'll be curious for Orwell's thought on this one, right? Because Bilzerian has been, again, in my assertion, I think he's been very sincere. He's been very genuine. I do think that he's certainly lost far more than he's gained as a result of talking about these issues.
Ian MalcolmThere's probably massive amounts of economic opportunity, probably some social impact that he's faced, right? And he's doing this knowing that the, it is an uphill battle, right? That, that this is not a one-stop shop. If he is able to win, it'll be a massive adjustment to the zeitgeist, which is a very good thing because it'll force function the conversations, but it's not an instant fix.
Ian MalcolmIt's not like, and he even said this, I thought it was really rather humble of him to kind of approach it this way, where he said, look, I'm just going to be one guy and I'm going to try to do what I can do. And I I thought it was actually, it was very patriotic, right? The way that he was talking about that. And he knows that running the campaign is going to be difficult and he'll get a lot of slings for it.
Ian MalcolmIf he wins, he'll take a lot of slings while he's in office from just about every turn of the media, merely for speaking what we know to be largely, if not entirely, a correct worldview, right? So Orwell, I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on this and maybe the perceptions on both Bilzerian and then Fuentes, who just, in my assertion, he has,
Ian Malcolmcontrarian is probably the right term because it's sometimes contradictory towards the own positions that he has shared previously. And then there's other times that entire Epstein is based, uh, con comments and that Epstein Island wasn't a pedo ring and all this. And again, I don't watch the show, so maybe the clips are taken out of context, but, but I'm curious for your thoughts on the sincerity of this and where it might go, Mr. Orwell.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, what a wild time to be alive right now and actually having this discussion. So I think that this infighting, for example, is detrimental to the cause, first and foremost. But I think the subversives, the people that will find a crack and exploit it, will look at this as a crack and exploit it. A misstep, a misquote, anything.
Speaker 3like this will be capitalized on and exploited. So infighting, stupid, all right? We don't even need to discuss that any further. We shouldn't be doing that. But at the end of the day, I think that... So Dan, for example, all right, so... With Dan and Nick, I'll approach Dan first, and then I'll double back to Nick. So Dan, obviously, I would agree with you 100%, Ian, that he is facing an uphill battle.
Speaker 3He is an underdog, and he's embraced that. He understands that. And he approaches this in a way that makes sense for his campaign, right? He's not coming out and...
Speaker 3portraying himself as Goliath. He understands that he's David, right? And it's going to be some work. But his humility and his ability to be humble, I think, is why he, outside of his message, generates support, right? He's a real dude. He's a real dude, and it resonates with people. But when you get into the Nick thing, I know who Nick is.
Speaker 3I do not, as you don't, really follow him to the letter. I don't watch his shows like that. So what I get is just the clips. And I think the clips...
Speaker 3Whether it be from Dan, whether it be from Nick, I think they're used in conjunction right now. I guess what I'm getting at, not articulating it appropriately, is I think that this infighting thing is an opportunity for subversives to just be like, see, look, they both suck. They don't know what they're doing. They can't even agree on something.
Speaker 3while trying to associate them as mutually exclusive, like they're playing for the same team. They're not. They're two totally different people. They believe in quite a few similar things, but, well, you know, they're not the same dude. I don't – I just – I feel like when it comes to something as consequential as – dan bilzerian's campaign um muddying the water with the infighting and oh well nick it's uh it's tmz level right and this is something that the subversives the jews all name the jew every day love they love it they find a crack and they exploit it right so if somebody makes a misstep for example like dan
Speaker 3says something uh maybe inarticulate and doesn't really get the opportunity to correct himself or he does and they just don't air it they exploit it right now you got that with him and and nick fighting and i just i i've been rolling my eyes man i don't i don't know all i can do um which is what you're doing is is continue to uh throw my support
Speaker 3for dan out there and not get into the uh the muddying of the waters um with their infighting i i i personally if i had the opportunity to tell both of them to knock it off i would you guys are acting like children and we have like we we've got like life-altering to actually discuss and fix here so sort that out on the flip side let's let's figure that out when we get dan across the finish line
Speaker 3None of this is helpful, but, man, I don't, I just, it's one of those things you just roll your eyes and I'm like, fuck. I'm going to land it there, Ian, but, man, I hope that, I'll land it here. I hope that most of the people that are starting to come into Dan's camp and are seeing this and maybe might be, you know, in Dan's camp and in Nick's camp can,
Speaker 3Cannot be tribal. I put something in the purple pill about like cat turd, right? So there's this psychological manipulation.
Speaker 2Oh my God, cat turd is freaking a psychopath. He freaking blocked me back in 2024 because I disagreed with him on something about Matt Walsh back in summer 2024. That guy is freaking psychotic.
Speaker 3Yeah. And so I've been hitting his comments every morning because boomers wake up at the crack of dawn. He's old as fuck. and i i i posted uh the the meme template of uh the iron man template where it's um you know it's it's uh it's iron man doing the pulling the thumb trick and thanos going oh my god right he's tricked by it so what you run into there is is essentially like people exploiting essentially what cat turd is
Speaker 3Um, and, and I'll land, I don't want to get into this fucking grifting piece of shit, but, um, what cat turns doing is essentially elder abuse. So I've been framing it that way for his audience. I'm like, this is an old ass dude, abusing old ass people. You're literally tricking senior citizens because you're getting paid to grift and just chug Donald Trump's cock.
Speaker 3You're not about anything. You have no principles. You stand for nothing. You're no different. than somebody that works in a memory care facility abusing the patients, right?
Speaker 2So- Exactly, we called it elder abuse when they were doing it with Biden and the same that they were doing with Biden saying, Biden's sharp as a tack, Biden's this. He's in his meetings and he's alert and on top of things. They're doing the same thing with Trump and they're trying to tell us that Trump is cognitively fit.
Speaker 2He's this and that. And they were literally today talking about how Trump's amazing and he doesn't need any sleep and he's sharp. And it's like-
Speaker 3guy's 79 years old and he's sleeping four hours a day that's a recipe for disaster and his mind is deteriorating by the day yeah and anybody with a couple of firing synapses left to rub together can can parse that out and see it for what it is so you know again like i'm just i throw that out there in any post cat turd post i hit him with that meme and i say philip this is i don't call him cat turd because i think that's retarded
Speaker 3I call him by his name, his government name. I've got his mug shots. Like, fuck that dude. But anyways, back to Dan, okay, which is important. And Nick, who I also believe is important with regards to influence and the zeitgeist. This infighting bullshit.
Speaker 3is amplified for a reason. It triggers our lizard brain, man. We get back into tribalism, and you really might like Dan, but some shit that Nick said got a guy really feeling, you know what I mean? It's really WWE. People start rooting for a team. We're all on the same fucking team. We might have differences in opinion, right, in the nuance on subtle things, but we're all supposed to be towing the line in the same direction because if we don't,
Speaker 3We've got a milestone around her neck and we're going to fucking sink and we know is trying to sink us. Right? So no, no, no, no, no, no. The infighting, all that bullshit fight that battle. After we get Dan across the finish line, you can like Dan, you can like Nick, they can disagree, but I mean, let's check in really quickly with, uh, Joanne and then Orville.
Ian MalcolmI want to go back to you with a question on, and think about this one for a second while Joanne's delivering her thoughts. which is the idea of Nick Fuentes as a big brother from Orwell, knowing that you're very familiar with the work. But Joanne, go for it.
@joann_marieYeah, thank you, Ian. I don't know. I don't watch a lot of Nick. I only see a couple of clips and it feels like... he felt betrayed by the Republicans and now he wants revenge. So he wants to like take them down and just, I don't know, this is what it feels like. And you can correct me, but I don't know, like when he didn't, I liked Pudge.
@joann_marieI think he was good. And choosing the Jewish lady, it's weird to me. Like I think he's choosing revenge over, like actual people. And I also do not like the division. I don't like the drama. I don't like, I think it's toxic. I think we need to unite, even if we disagree with a lot of things. It's Gentiles versus Jews, guys.
@joann_marieLike that's it. It's not Republicans versus Democrats. It's not... Black versus white is not anything. It's literally Jews versus us. So I don't like this division.
Speaker 2Exactly. So someone, whether it's Nick, whether it's Candace, whether it's MTG, needs to get all of the Israel-critical people on the right, get them all together at some location and be like, okay, hey, let's figure out our battle plan. But no one has stepped up and actually suggested, hey, let's get all of these voices together in a room and figure out how we're going to win this fight.
Speaker 2Like, someone needs to step up and... suggest bringing everyone together. No one's done that. There's no plan. No one has suggested that. It seems like people mostly are aligned on a lot of these issues, but no one has actually gotten everyone firing together. Look at the MAGA influencer web. They're all coordinated on their message.
Speaker 2The Zionist Jews, they're all coordinated together with their talking points. They have their talking points exact. It was 42,000 protesters killed in Iran. There needs to be coordination.
Speaker 2Like Nick, Candace, Massey, MPG, like all of these people need to be coordinated. And then all these other influences, too. They all need to be coordinating together if we're ever going to have any chance at getting a Republican that's nominated in 28 that's not bending over backwards for Israel.
Speaker 1I agree with what Joanne said, too, about what Nick and I went through that, too. I felt betrayed and I almost wanted to jump ship on the Republican Party. But then I, you know, I got my senses back and I'm like, you know, hey, maybe we were hijacked. But I agree with Joanne.
@joann_marieYeah, but I like I mean, I'm not American. I don't live in America. But if I were, I would vote for whoever doesn't like. help Israel. You know, like if it's Democrat or Republican, like, I don't understand why is he, he's like not endorsing patch and like all this division, because I, I'm not going to say that only Dan is doing it.
@joann_marieNick is also doing it. Yeah. Like it feels like he wants revenge. Sorry. Go for it. Yeah.
Ian MalcolmNo. And let, and let's tee that up. So, so we're going to go to Orwell and his thoughts on, uh, Nick Fuentes as big brother. Uh, and again, this is, This will be a little bit more specific to those familiar with the book and kind of the way that this character plays out in the story arc. But after we get that, we're going to go to Andy.
Ian MalcolmAnd Andy, I'm going to want to hear from you, a Fuentes fan, why you think Nick Fuentes was reluctant to get in his support with Casey Putsch. I'll be very curious to see how that goes. But first and foremost, let's check in with Mr. Orwell and this idea of Big Brother.
Speaker 3Yeah, I appreciate it, Ian. I mean, just with regards to Nick, I think what we're running into here with him, okay, so it seems like there's a battle, right? You kind of lose your principles to an extent when you're trying to remain relevant. And it's not that I'm saying that he's not because he is. He's definitely in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3He's definitely influential. But I've noticed that he's changed his tone under pressure. And I think, again, like that's, if we're getting into actual, like we're talking about the 1984 type of stuff, you know, the Ministry of Truth is just a blanket for like four different ministries, right? You got propaganda. uh i think it was um the ministry of peace which you know is the inverse war ministry of love which is torture and then uh i think the other one was plenty or something like that which is starvation it's just it's the inverse right an inversion and when when when i see i i just i see cracks in nick's armor man and i don't know if it's i just i don't i i don't know um
Speaker 3I'm kind of gobsmacked by this whole infighting thing, so I'll be honest with you. I'm going to need to think on this before I can actually articulate something that makes sense because I need to analyze it. I don't fucking understand it. I'm dismayed by it, and I don't think that we should encourage it at all on either side.
Speaker 3Let's get behind Dan. You can like Nick, but let's... We're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but man, maybe he needs to pump the brakes here.
Ian MalcolmNo, wonderful commentary. And for anybody that's familiar with the book, that idea of Fuentes not suggesting that he's a totalitarian tyrant. So if you're not familiar with the story, the reference there might be a little bit lost. But for those who are, Big Brother is worshipped and revered by the people of 1984. as essentially their intellectual and in some ways their spiritual lead.
Ian MalcolmAnd so there's a curious little overlap there, as there are with almost all elements of modern politics in that unbelievable book by that unbelievable man. And so Orwell, always appreciate the thoughts on that. Think on that one. But let's go to Mr. Andy for his thoughts on the Fuentes-Casey Putsch piece, because I do find it very curious.
Ian MalcolmAnd I had a little back and forth with Beardson. who I find has some funny commentary on this app. And so no, you know, this isn't with any angst or animus, but I guess he didn't like the comment that I made about Fuentes. And he said that he had never heard of Casey Pudge, to which I replied, well, maybe if Fuentes had talked about him, you would have, because I guess he's a big fan boy of Nick Fuentes, right?
Ian MalcolmSo isn't it kind of curious that in his critique on me, he proved the very point that I was trying to illustrate, which is that this candidate who could have stood against Vivek and against the Jew, who's now going to be Vivek's opponent on the Democratic side, it does seem baffling because Casey Putsch, having spoken to him a couple times, seems like just a regular, good-hearted American person.
Ian MalcolmAnd maybe I'm missing something. I obviously don't know the guy. But all the signs that I could see seem pretty reasonable. So, Andy, could you give us the backstory on what you think happened there?
Speaker 2I mean... I think Nick was maybe afraid that he didn't want to back Casey Push and that if he got blown out, then people would be saying, oh, this story is Nick's reputation. Like, there's that whole America First United event this weekend, for example, and people are already trying to say, wow, this Groyper event, it has someone with a Doc's Ice shirt in this.
Speaker 2This is Groyper's Hour, and it has a left-wing Muslim, and they're already trying to smear that and tie that to Nick, and Nick wasn't even involved with that event. or didn't sign off on, and they're trying to say, this is what Groypers are. They're just really a bunch of closeted far leftists, and people are trying to tear Nick down with that.
Speaker 2So regardless of what Nick does, it seems people are going to paint their narratives. You had these Magatards slandering Nick for an event that he had nothing to do with, calling it a Groyper event just because the name America First was used. And you had some leftists, anti-Zionists with Doc's Ice shirts there, and then you had...
Speaker 2And they were trying to say, this is what America first is. It's all a psy-op. So I think Nick was afraid that Casey would lose by a large margin. And then they'd say, well, Nick doesn't have any motion, this or that. Versus I think with Fishback, he's behind Fishback because he thinks Fishback can at least run more of a competitive race.
Speaker 2And that's my take on it, at least. I mean, like...
Speaker 4I'd rather lose and stand my ground than... than what people say. I would rather.
Ian MalcolmAnd Joanne, that's the stance and the take that I would have as well. And I can appreciate, because I think, Andy, what you're trying to say is that Fuentes was concerned that by backing Casey Putsch, and maybe there's something else that we're unaware of, right? Maybe there's some communication between the two. Maybe Nick Fuentes had access to information that we're unaware of.
Ian MalcolmWho knows, right? But what you're suggesting, Andy, is that Fuentes was concerned that if he put his brand next to a candidate and that that candidate lost, that it would be a black eye on Fuentes' reputation and perceived value as a political pundit or ambassador of a candidate.
Speaker 2And to Joanne's comment- You're already doing that with Tucker, because Tucker interviewed Casey Push last year, well before he ran, about Casey Push's incredible cars. And you already have Laura Loomer and Gunther Eagleman and- Vince Langman and all these MAGA influencers saying, this proves that Tucker has no influence.
Speaker 2This is Tucker's guy, and he lost in a blowout. So they're already trying to pull that card. So we're already seeing that playbook play out. And they're saying, this Tucker back guy lost big, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, I mean, we are already seeing that narrative be pushed, even though Tucker wasn't pushing him while he ran.
Speaker 2It was an interview a year ago. about his cars well before he jumped into this race. So you're already seeing that narrative get pushed. And then you already have MAGA because they won some primaries against Mike Pence Republicans. And for state legislature in Indiana, MAGA's spinning this narrative that MAGA's alive and well, and Trump has all this support, which is just simply untrue.
Speaker 2That was Republicans ousting other Republicans because they were mad that... the Republicans didn't redistrict. That's not an endorsement of Trump's Iran war or anything. It's an endorsement of, we don't like Mike Pence Republicans because they're absolutely garbage and they didn't even have the balls to redistrict the state to combat the Democrats.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I think that the challenge there, and it's ironic because we were talking about this in the earlier space with Tyler, who's running in South Carolina, is that idea that we need to be comfortable taking the the black eyes, the bruises and all the other, let's say hits to our reputation that are going to be accompanied by standing alongside candidates that put up a good fight, but that lose.
Ian MalcolmAnd there's nothing wrong with that. It's actually, that's just part of life. And I, I, I kind of worry that if that is the perception of the Groypers, right? If they look at Nick Fuentes and they say, well, if he supports somebody who loses, then he's a loser. Well, then that's a really low IQ way to, to, to evaluate the,
Ian Malcolmthe merit of a person, of their ideas, of their character, et cetera. It seems so petulant, right? Like I would rather play on a team that plays with caliber sportsmanship, that is respectful, that comes in and in good faith applies their best effort and puts their best foot forward, even if we lose. I'd rather have that than be victorious, but be a scumbag, right?
Ian MalcolmOr even worse, perhaps, is to sit on the sideline and say, well, I'm... just going to wait till the next game. This one doesn't look easy enough for me to win. Right. It's like, it's almost like, uh, you're sitting there and your friends play in a video game. You're like, well, I'm just not going to try. Cause if he beats me, I'm not going to look cool.
Ian MalcolmSo I'm going to wait till I can play the computer and put it on easy mode and defeat all the, you know, the, the, as if it's like a five-year-old, I mean, come on. Uh, it's, it's why I don't, if I just have to evaluate those two stances on their merit alone, To think that Dan Bilzerian said, look, I might lose, but I'm going to try to make a lot of noise.
Ian MalcolmI'm going to do my best. I'm going to try and be a patriot. And what I'm hearing on the other side of this little debate or the spat is, well, I don't want to get involved unless it's an easy W. What a poor reflection that would be.
Speaker 2I mean, it's not an easy W. Nick's not saying Fishbeck is guaranteed to win, but I think he doesn't want to get involved.
@joann_marieHe literally rather vote for a Jewish lady. Like, what the fuck, Andy?
Speaker 2I mean, it's the other options of Peter Thielbeck Indians, so.
Ian MalcolmI know, but Andy, he would only, well, and this is a whole different debate, right? But if Casey had gotten more support from some of these bigger names, and I saw the likes of Leonardo Joni who came out very aggressively in his corner, right? Like it would have only taken a handful of some of these massive names and perhaps he could have gone back on Tucker or you can imagine.
Ian MalcolmAnd this is the craziest part about the day and age that we live in, Andy. All it takes would have been Casey Putsch getting on Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, and perhaps getting a nod of approval from Nick Fuentes and a handful of other online influencers. And he might have been able to take out a literal billionaire who ran alongside Donald Trump for the presidency, right?
Ian MalcolmThink of the world that we live in where that's entirely feasible. And I do... I just think it's rather strange that unless I'm misreading something, Fuentes rode the bench and didn't get involved because he didn't want to put his brand next to Casey Putsch. And now he's going to sit and look at the outcome, which is Vivek versus the Jew.
Ian MalcolmAnd he's going to say, well, I guess I'll just take the Democrat and everything will get worse. And then people really want the Republicans to be less Israel pro in the future. It's kind of a strange position, right?
Speaker 2I mean, yeah, but I mean, yeah, but I. he is concerned about his reputation and with that. And I mean, I can't blame him again. I'm not in his head. Like I can't don't like, I can't speak for his calculus. I'm not in his head. And if that's the decision he wants to make, like he got as far as he did doing this, like, I mean, we're going to see how this plays out.
Speaker 2And he's always said that 2028 is going to be the real battle for this. Like 2026, we'll try to get someone in, but the 2026, eight, I mean, 2028 presidential primary has always been the real battleground. That's how I, always felt as well, because I feel like we have some anti-Israel sentiment, but I feel like shit has always going to hit the fan, even without this Iran war, that we were always going to head to a recession before 2028 regardless, and this has accelerated it.
Speaker 2And I've always viewed that by that point, people are just going to be so done with Trump and his bullshit that people are going to want to go into a different direction on the Republican side by 2028. And it's going to be like, OK, anything but this administration, like this administration. just sucks and is like just anything connected to it has to go and that's going to bring down grants and rubio because they're tied to the hip with trump they can't distance themselves no what uh no well stated there andy and i i really appreciate that you're here and i mean if you want to do this as well like i mean you can also
Speaker 2Did he cut out?
Ian MalcolmNo. I said I'm a co-host. I clicked on it.
Speaker 2I tried clicking. I don't know if it went through. Okay, it went through.
Speaker 1No, you should be good.
Speaker 2I mean, you could also be asking the same question of Candace Owens. She has a huge young audience, too, and she hasn't gotten behind any candidates. She commented under a Fishbeck post once, but it's like, why hasn't she endorsed Casey? Why isn't Nick's audience skews more male and her audience skews more female? Why isn't she endorsing candidates?
Speaker 2to try to get young women out to vote for them. I feel like we're putting all this pressure on Nick, but why is Candace not getting pressured to endorse candidates as well?
Ian MalcolmYou know what, Andy?
Speaker 2That is a very good point. She's doing good at waking people up on Israel and this stuff, but why is the burden on Nick to help elect America? Why is there no burden on her? Even Tucker... endorsed fish back and had him on the show, but why does Candace not have to endorse, like endorse any candidates? Why does she just get in the political ring?
Speaker 2Why does this is where one could look at you've had to talk about Israel and never endorsed the candidate.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, Andy, this is, this is where it gets curious, right? Because you've got pundits that have big audiences and they can sincerely move the needle on elections. right, to advance our cause and to get people in office that might be able to make a sincere difference. And it is kind of curious when they ride the bench and don't take their podium to try and bring attention to candidates who, again, might kind of put in place some of the very things that we see that really create these grievances.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I do find that's a great call out with Candace Owens. Very curious. And that's another person, right? Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Fuentes. These people platforming the likes of Casey Putsch could have literally changed the governorship of Ohio. And that's pretty remarkable. And look, that was just, of course, to see who was going to ultimately get on the ballot and run in the general election.
Ian MalcolmAnd maybe there's an argument to be made that Casey couldn't have won that. And that's perfectly fair, right? But we don't even have the chance to find out now. Instead, we're stuck with the billionaire technocrat who's going to put in all the data centers and bring in... every 17 millionth cousin that he has from India, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd conversely, the Jew who's probably going to push all kinds of social disaster. And so we need to be, and that's kind of where I'm going with these things, right? I'm not looking at Nick Fuentes and saying, shame on you for thinking that a Democrat has a valuable position from time to time, but rather to stay stuck in that paradigm.
Ian MalcolmAnd we should be calling out all of these people. Tucker Carlson to Candace to Nick. Hey, guys, if there are people that are going to be aligned with with as a pack, for example, and Dr. Michael Rechtenwald, why are you not using your platform?
Speaker 2I don't know if it's Dr. Michael Rechtenwald or one of his associates, but one of them like tagged. I think it was Nick, Tucker, Candace and someone else. And then they're like, hey, why aren't you guys talking about as a pack? Like your reaches could be crucial for boosting these candidates. And I agree. I think it's incumbent on everyone with a platform, if they're serious about this, to boost these candidates.
Speaker 2And we shouldn't single out everyone. Good on Tucker for having Fishback on the show, but I think Tucker, Nick, Candice should be actually going down to Florida and telling their fans, hey, knock on doors for Fishback. Just having them on your show once and then not even talking about the race isn't good enough. You can't just have someone on your show in January in Tucker's case and then
Speaker 2say oh i'm gonna just then ignore the florida governor's race and see what happens in august like tucker should make a call to action for his followers because it's gonna be like hey talk to people in your communities in florida about why we need to elect fish back we can't like he's he will stop um florida from investing in israeli bonds like tucker needs to give that call to action because he has a connection with older voters that afuentes are in oh candace
Speaker 2does not. That's a unique aspect of Tucker. And then Candace has more young women. Nick has more young men. And if they both then said like, hey, my followers, let's go all knock on doors. Let's get thousands and thousands of volunteers across the state of Florida for Fishback. Then I think that Fishback could easily win that race.
Speaker 2And Donnie won in New York City because he had like tens of thousands of young people knocking on doors for him. And if Fishback could do that, there's no amount of money that you can put behind Byron Donalds to counter an organic grassroots movement like that.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's a very valid point, which does, it begets the question, why are some of these influencers not using those platforms to try and generate interest, excitement, to get support, whether it's financial or in terms of tactical and logistical support?
Speaker 2Well, Nick did wear a fish pack.
Ian MalcolmAndy, let's go to Falou and let him jump in here. Very curious for some of your thoughts, Falou, on all this drama. and perhaps on some of the accusations that have been...
Speaker 5I haven't actually... I usually watch Nick every other night. I haven't seen him tonight, so I haven't seen any of the drama with Blazerian. But I can't think any of us in this room would ever say that getting rid of Randy Fine is a bad thing. And I can't see one point that Nick could make that Dan Blazerian instead of Randy Fine would not be far better.
Speaker 5I think he gets... Kind of petty. Orwell, I think, summed it up pretty good. And I've noticed the same thing. You know, I was really kind of weirded out that he didn't go harder on the Charlie Kirk thing. I mean, for his whole platform is Israel. And that was like the major thing with Charlie Kirk. And then that's what set him off against Candace.
Speaker 5And there's been a few weird things that he said, like the whole Epstein shirt thing and just comments that you don't need. which are really weird, but the important stuff, it's weird when we see these politicians or wannabe politicians start to waver like that, right? Like, it just doesn't make sense. And especially in a cause like this, I think it's been said multiple times, where this is definitely a cause to get the right person on the floor if they can.
Speaker 5And I mean, in that area, if I'm not mistaken, if it's Miami where Dan Bilzerian's running, I mean, you have Myron Gaines on air there. You have Clavicular on air there. They're all supposed to be friends. Nick is good friends with Clavicular. The following... Here's the thing, guys. I just literally learned this earlier this year.
Speaker 5I had no idea the reach that Nick Fuentes had. I was sitting at a... It was like a big... I was in a hotel. It was a big job convention in automotive. And this beautiful 510... 22 year old girl was working in parts. And I just, by chance we were, we were working offsite in the lounge. She starts talking to me about Nick Fuentes.
Speaker 5And I'm like, yeah, I watched him. And she's like, do you know who he is? And I said, yeah, she started going on and on about how many of her friends watch this guy and how much she loved them. And I'm like, I, and then she started talking about her family. So I talk about her dad and her brother, which are usually good signs for a female.
Speaker 5And I thought, I said, how do you date guys? Like, who do you look for? I said, what kind of normal guy would date you? And she says, I really don't. Like, I don't date anybody. Like, the reach that he has and the amount of people that he's touched is probably so under the radar. I really do think if people like him could sway the numbers.
Speaker 5I think he could do it easily if they wanted to. So when they don't, It really makes you question things. Thanks. Love your spaces, Ian.
Speaker 2I'm going to jump in one quick thing here. So it feels like the real big fraction of the Republican Party, it kind of started after Charlie's death, but it felt like there was some kind of brief unity. But after Nick went on Tucker and then the attempts to cancel Tucker and then the Republican Jewish coalition right after that, and you had Randy Fine have all the Jews there hold up the signs that said, Tucker is not MAGA.
Speaker 2and all of that stuff. And then all of the attacks, we call it the Tucker cost. That's what it's called in America first circles. I feel like that irreparably just, and I just felt like there's this huge shift on the timeline with everyone turning against Trump. It just felt like after that, because you had a lot of people that were like, what the heck, if they're just going to try to cancel Tucker over an innocent interview, there's just no place like this movement.
Speaker 2Like it's just, it felt like MAGA completely soured in any, after that moment, it was just like completely, caput at that point. That interview was the true turning point, I feel like. That interview between Nick and Tucker was honestly as big as the Charlie Kirk assassination, in my opinion, in terms of damaging Trump.
Ian MalcolmNo, reasonable comment. Let's go to Best of the Gentiles. Curious for your thoughts here on this ongoing drama and, prospectively, the accusations levied by Dan Bilzerian.
Speaker 6Yeah, thanks for having me up, Ian and Joanne. And Andy, here's my take on Nicky. I think he's very smart. I think that he is also a petulant little child and has never done a hard day's worth of work in his life. And add it to the fact that he's a little narcissist on top of it and loves the attention. Like you just...
Speaker 6He has great hot takes. His in-depth dives on JD and Vivek and all these people. He has good hot takes, but then he lets his immaturity and childish nature take over. And he doesn't have a... I don't think he has a true moral compass. He's very fluid. And that probably goes to the fact that, like, you just look at him and he screams like gay kid who, and I'm sorry, but, like, we've all seen the pictures of him, like, literally staring at Cavicular.
Speaker 6And these are, Cavicular is like, judge people by the friends that they keep. And that's who he considers a friend. He's not this almighty person that everyone makes him out to be. Like I said, very insightful when he wants to put his gaze upon someone to break them down. But he's just so immature in the way that he handled himself.
Speaker 6I mean, we all we've all seen the videos of him, you know, on day six and, you know, like him being hauled in and them freezing his assets and him not being charged with anything and him taking the fifth. Like there's you don't have to be like an official asset of the federal government to be like considered like a Fed.
Speaker 6I think that they flipped him. and said hey you're gonna do things the way we want you to do them when we need you to do them and uh like or we're gonna you know let certain things you know fly with you um and uh you're gonna get torn down in the media like that's just my view of uh on nikki yeah he has great hot takes i liked some of his breakdowns and i learned a lot when when he goes into the details of
Speaker 6where JD, I don't know if everyone's seen the video of where he breaks down where JD came from and basically how he was plucked out of all these areas and has no real background, the rise and the stardom of JD Vance. So I take Nick, Nicky, as I like to call him, cause he's a little gay kid with a grain of salt. Um, I use him, um, when necessary, but you know, any of his, his, uh, little spats that he has with people, I find him kind of ridiculous, um, about that.
Speaker 6Um, and then to go to Andy's, um, you know, thing of like Candace, um, you know, like how she should get behind people. I think Candace has got a little bit on her plate, um, with everyone coming towards her. Um, and the fact that I think she has four kids. I think everyone expects too much out of all these influencers or as I would think that she would be an investigative, you know, person or journalist, I guess, is what you would classify her, influencer, whatever you want to call her.
Speaker 6And she did get behind Trump and she got fucking burned. And I'm sure she's like never again. expecting you know all these major influencers to come out for the the cases and the fishbacks and you know like i mean you look at fishback yeah he he sounds great he's better than you know uh you know some of these other candidates but he fishback has got a shady past um of uh supporting uh the jews um so like
Speaker 6I'm unsure of Casey. I don't know if it's another political expediency thing that he's jumped onto the Jew bandwagon. So that's just my take on that.
Speaker 6I don't know if you have any other questions for me, Ian, but that's just how I feel about it. As far as Dan goes, I think Dan's a... uh more of a rising star than than uh nick will ever be because everything is shady with with nick you don't like how you don't know which way he's gonna go dan that guy is um yeah he's done some some uh hedonistic up things in his past but uh doesn't hide it um he addresses it and uh um you know we can go into any one of our our pasts and we can you know um
Speaker 6There's some shit that I've said and done that, you know, would make me look bad. But, you know, I would own up to it if confronted about it. It doesn't seem like Nicky likes to own up to, you know, any of the shit that he says or does. And he's just all over the place. He just flip-flops everywhere. So that's my take.
Ian MalcolmWell stated. And look, some of the accusations, they're not going to co-sign. I know you're not going to co-sign.
Speaker 6I mean, these are my opinions. I'm not trying to, like, you know, turn anyone.
Ian MalcolmI feel compelled to share just because I don't know much about Fuentes aside from the fact of what I see on this application. And obviously, it's been a very... He's been an impactful person.
Speaker 6I'm not saying that. He's very impactful, for sure.
Ian MalcolmAt best, just out of curiosity, because when it comes to Fuentes, I actually take less, I suppose, friction or angst than I do from what appears to be the Gruyper army or whatever it would be referred to. I'm still actually not even familiar with the origin of the term, but the... The behaviors of it, the Grouper generals and all these other things, it seems as if there is essentially a organic and perhaps somewhat artificial little coalition of people that are utilizing group chats and all kinds of other platforms to try and, I don't want to say rig, but to ensure that they just boost artificially.
Ian Malcolmcontent to make it look super favorable, no different than clavicular. And I'm curious for your thoughts on what percent of the support behind Fuentes do you think purely just organic and people on X casually engaging in political rhetoric versus those that are specifically mobilizing their efforts solely to push an agenda or a persona?
Speaker 2I mean, I think a lot of young people have a lot of time on their hands.
Ian MalcolmHang on, Andy, let's get Gentile thoughts.
Speaker 6I can't give you a percentage on that because, like, we've all seen, you know, how just inorganic certain things are. You know, like, you know, let's take the Gunther Eagleman's, you know, charging $300 for, you know, a retweet and the, what's the... you know, you know, Dom, uh, Lucre or whatever he, like these, these people are all for sale.
Speaker 6Um, and I mean, uh, you know, little Nikki's for sale too, as well. I mean, him aligning with a, uh, you know, a gold backed, uh, Jew, uh, company that, that used to advertise with Marco Levin, the motherfuckers for sale. He's got, he's got, he has no, he's young and wants money and he has no. moral compass. I think that's my problem with Nick Fuentes.
Speaker 6Sure, he's smart. Sure, he's done a lot of research. He knows a lot of information. But you tie that with the immaturity and the drive for money that is clearly with Nick.
Speaker 6you kind of just have, you know, a smart for hired hand is what you have. And I don't, and, you know, his groper army, I know that, like, there are some people that are, you know, diehard, you know, groopers that, you know, aren't getting paid. But I can tell you, not everything is organic with that kid. Just watching how...
Speaker 6people attack and work together. They're coordinating behind the scenes, clearly. But like, I just don't see it with Nick as being this, as influential, as people love drama and Nick creates a lot of drama. Drama is not influential. It doesn't really move the needle, but it does, I mean, it's like watching the, What's the old talk show?
Speaker 6I could give you... Yeah, Jerry Springer. That's what I was looking for. We all love to watch it. Like, ooh, yeah, get them. This is great. But it's also like, thank God I'm not part of that shit. It's more of... It's more of attention-seeking. It's more of a clickbait-type situation. Interesting.
Ian MalcolmIt's the train wreck you can't look away from. Yes. Cool man, cool patience put up into the purple pill. He said... The gold deal never went further than a joke he made on stream talking about not knowing if he wanted to.
Speaker 6I don't know if that is or isn't accurate. That's my point with Nicky. Whether it went through or not is the fact that he used it for clickbait. You would never see Candace or Tucker or Dan Bilzerian or any of these people using such a gay-ass story for clickbait. That's a 25, 26, 27-year-old kid using that to rile up and get everyone talking.
Speaker 6Get the fuck out of here, dude. You want to be on the main stage. You want to be on the big stage. Grow the fuck up and act like an adult. Here's a guy that he went on...
Speaker 6to Pierce Morgan and, you know, he destroyed, you know, Pierce Morgan when he went on there. And like I said, I have, like, his hot takes are good. You can look through my page and you can type in, you can see that I have posted and retweeted some of his videos because they're spot on. So I'm not saying that I'm not a fan when he decides to actually be, you know, you know, real.
Speaker 6um, with, with his, his, uh, um, investigative reporting. Um, but he's a child and, you know, like he, you know, you're getting a guy that has never had a girlfriend, um, who has never, I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, but you know, what is he 27 and he hasn't had sex. Um, so he's never had that interpersonal dynamic relationship with another woman.
Speaker 6He trashed it. He's like a, andrew tate where he trashes women um and and every woman seems to be a whore um you know um and you know he goes out with cavicular and cavicular's like hey let me bring over a woman like i've never like you know if i'm gonna go out to a club um and someone says hey i'm gonna bring over some women i've never like you know like not that i'm gonna date a club girl but i'm not gonna sit there and hang out with dudes when i can be talking to you know a hot chick um
Speaker 6just screams gay when he's, like, professing, you know, supposedly Catholic values. There's just something weird and off about him.
Ian MalcolmFor what it's worth, I actually, I can appreciate the lack of, I guess they'd call it the thirst these days. I find it reasonable that a person like Fuentes in a nightclub surrounded by a bunch of people that probably just want to talk to him for a selfie so that they can put on social media that, It's probably not a conversation I'd actually want to have.
Speaker 6I guess my question to you, I guess my question to you then, Ian, is why even put yourself in that fucking situation to begin with? No, that is actually the... Why are you going out with Cavicular to a club?
Ian MalcolmThat is the thing.
Speaker 6That's my point. You look at the totality of the situation and dude, if that's not what you're wanting... then why are you going out and doing that? And then as everyone is snapping photos of you, there's these loving, beautiful pictures of Nick Fuentes gazing at Cavicular, okay? Whether or not you believe he's gay or not, it's just a weird vibe all around.
Ian MalcolmThat's certainly the take that you're certainly... Welcome to, and I think other people might agree, and in the purple pill, it seems like people do agree with that assessment. The only thing that I would say is the thing that I found most bizarre about that entire setup is, like you were saying, the number of people that were involved in it and the fact that the majority of them, I do not believe, sincere people in the least.
Ian MalcolmI don't think that Tate-
Speaker 6Sneako, I think maybe a little bit more, but I think he's a little bit more mature, but he's getting there. But all of those people, they're all self-hating, hating on women. It's like they put themselves in the situation
Speaker 6Um, it's like, it's like going to a whorehouse and then like, just like trashing on all the women at the whorehouse. Like, dude, it's fish in a barrel. Thank you for, for being like the child immature, like person, um, that is just, it's just clickbait bullshit material. Grow the fuck up. If you, if you want to be a true, like influencer, um, um, um, um, uh, you know, like,
Speaker 6and be taken seriously by, by the American public, like act like it, grow the fuck up, like stop being a little bitch. And Nick Fontes is a little bitch that has hot takes. I like his hot takes. Other than that, that's all I use. Like I said, I take them with a grain of salt and I use them for that. And that's all he is to me.
Speaker 6Like, other than that, he's nothing like, like at some point, I'm sure, I'm sure he's going to stay relevant just because of, of how good he does know his history and he is good at breaking someone down. But other than that, he's useless to me.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Gentile. And guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Andy and our amazing speakers. And I just want to add really quick. Everybody is going after Nick today, like all the big influencers. And that is like a little sauce to me because he does like everyone.
Ian MalcolmSo it's gotten to the point right where wherever the prevailing winds are pointing, I'm like, no, I'm going to look the other direction. I know this game.
Speaker 6But I've always had this take on Nick. You just brought the space up.
@joann_marieOh, no, no. I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the really big influencers that everyone today specifically is like, oh, Nick this and Nick that. And that is like sus to me. I don't love Nick. I like some of his takes, but I used to like him more before. But I also like...
Speaker 6see both sides and i'm like what is happening you know like why i think a lot of i think a lot of people after nick i think a lot of people joanne are are like nick what are you rather than being a petulant little child um and like flip-flopping and going back and forth and calling people out.
@joann_marieBut he has always done this.
Speaker 6Now is game time right now. We have the soul for America on the line at this point. What are we going to do in the midterms? What are we going to do in 2028? And what are you doing to make America better and change this course? And here you have this little trashy kid out there Like, it isn't doing anything. He's not helping.
Speaker 6So, like, now people are just getting pissed off. Like, everyone's pissed off. We got the gay hantavirus bullshit psyop that they're pulling on us. The alien shit that Luna says that is going to... 8 a.m. tomorrow morning. Like, dude, we've seen this fucking project bluebeam bullshit coming from a mile away type stuff.
Speaker 6Like...
Speaker 6What are you fucking doing, Nick?
Ian MalcolmIn all fairness, I always like to try to be very reasonable here, and in all fairness, I think Fuentes has done a massive amount, and he's brought an immense amount of attention to these issues. He has.
Speaker 6He has. I'll agree with you on that.
@nietzsche258918I'm not, like I said. Why haven't Nick or Dan ever mentioned the Rothschild family even one time on Abstein Files? Epstein emails Thiel and he says, as you probably know, I represent the Rothschilds. Lynn Rothschild sold Ghislaine Maxwell her townhouse in Manhattan through an Epstein shell company at a huge discount, which she lived in from 2000 to 2015.
@nietzsche258918Maria Farmer, an Epstein victim, she told Whitney Webb that Ghislaine told her the Rothschilds are her number one protector. We have the Rothschild install the Federal Reserve. Eustace Mullins writes in his book, The Secrets of the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 6If you think Dan is protecting the Jews and the Rothschilds, like, sorely mistaken. Why haven't they talked about the Rothschilds?
@nietzsche258918Why hasn't Nick Fuentes ever talked about the Rothschilds?
Ian MalcolmI'm pretty sure he has. Whoa, whoa, whoa. First off, everybody take a deep breath. And fourth, put down the coffee or the Red Bull. We'll unmute everybody. I find it impossible to believe, and I will search X right now for Nick Fuentes' handle and the term Rothschilds. And I'll do the same with Dan Bilzerian. I find it near impossible to believe that Nick Fuentes has never talked about that subject.
Ian MalcolmAnd I know that Dan Bilzerian certainly has discussed it. And so I'd be curious if you can defend why you would make that accusation. It seems kind of out of left field.
Speaker 2I literally just looked up, Dan.
@nietzsche258918I looked it up.
Speaker 2Nick has talked about the Rothschilds.
@nietzsche258918Why not on X? Why not on X? Neither of them. One time. Not one match after the Epstein.
Speaker 7Epstein said I represent the Rothschilds. I was so big that the DOJ is trying to stop the DEA from investigating the connection between drugs and children. That's how big these Epstein files are. So, I mean, just look at what's happening in the actual US government, guys.
@nietzsche258918Ian was the only host with the balls to host us to talk about how Epstein's best friend. And by the way, Ian was vindicated because what else did the Epstein files tell us? Epstein's best friend, that creep, Nathan Wolfe, who's a founding citizen of Ghislaine Maxwell's Terramar with David Rothschild. Nathan Wolfe, the virologist, went to Epstein's Edge Billionaires dinner from 29 to 2010.
@nietzsche258918Bill Gates and Epstein's buddy, Boris Nikolic at WEF. sent the email, hey, let's arrange this meeting. Now we find out from the Epstein files, what did Nathan Wolf email Epstein in 2012? Meet up to plot, question mark. I posted the link. You can all look it up, the file number.
Ian MalcolmYou can't fucking- Hang on, hang on. So again, deep breath. Here's what we're going to do. Forrest, we're going to try to slow down because you are actually providing some really good information. I just want to make sure that people know that this is not coming from, look at the scattered plot on the wall. I figured it out.
Ian Malcolmlike the guy from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia or whatever that show is. But I will say, I just did a search and you are not incorrect. Neither Nick Fuentes nor Dan Bilzerian has once on X used the term Rothschild, which I do find. Very weird. If anything, I will say it's weirder for Fuentes because I know that Dan Bilzerian has certainly talked about the banking cabal and all this other kind of stuff.
Ian MalcolmI presume that Fuentes has done that plenty of times. I don't watch his show again, but you're not wrong. Neither has used the term Rothschild in any capacity on X unless the search bar is- Can I ask a question of him, Ian?
Speaker 6Of course, go for it. So what is your implication by saying that? Because Dan Bilzerian hasn't said anything about the Rothschilds.
@nietzsche258918Because it obviously means that neither of them want to solve any problems. Nobody, by the way, there's not one influencer who's talking about fucking solutions. And I have them. You want to know what they are? You want to know what they are? We have to do it. It's Martin Luther King, Gandhi, physical, peaceful show of bodies.
@nietzsche258918It's always been the only way. The only thing these people listen to at the Capitol, for what? Four things. Specifics it has to be for. Not retarded things, okay? Four things. Abolish the Rothschild Private Federal Reserve. Decouple from the... I'm going to post a link for this too with the sources. The Rothschild Bank for International Settlements.
@nietzsche258918Great article somebody wrote. They clearly founded it. They run it. That's that top of the fucking pyramid, okay? Rothschild Bank for... No. Go back to a gold-backed currency like Gaddafi tried to do, right? Everyone who tries to do it. Saddam Hussein gets taken out. Hillary Clinton, Lynn Rothschild, Loyal Adoring Pal, WikiLeaks.
Speaker 6I am 100% there with you. I get it. I'm 100% there with you. But what you're asking for someone is to address all bullet points of what you need and what you... deem necessary.
@nietzsche258918No, it's what the solution is, not what I want. We have to ban lobbying and bribery. Why are we bitching? Oh, they keep buying elections.
Ian MalcolmWait, I'm going to try this one more time. Take a very deep breath. I think there's a lot of people who are very interested in what you are saying, but the delivery mechanism with which you're saying it, it's like, do you want this gold bar? Okay, I'm going to shove it into your ear. as hard as I can directly. Uh, so again, deep breath.
Ian MalcolmWe'll try to have a pace that is nice and calm and relaxed and everybody can learn. And with that, let's go back to you for us. I don't think that you're incorrect. I'm sure though, that Nick Fuentes has talked about the Ross childs on his program or whatever. I find it impossible to believe he is not, but, but you're not wrong.
Ian MalcolmHe has not used that term on X.
@nietzsche258918No words. By the way, I just want to say, Ian, and by the way, I have Obi-Wan, okay? He's my profile picture. As Ian has rightfully pointed out, I'm the opposite of Obi-Wan, all right? I can't sit still for five minutes. My brain is psychotically OCD. I have a really bad problem where I notice things to a very, very high degree.
@nietzsche258918It's very specific things. It hurts. It hurts my brain. It sucks. Now... Yeah, neither of them. And I just wonder, though, if we want to solve problems, if you're going after the mafia, I'm full-butted Italian. So think about the Godfather. I don't give a shit about Santino. Fucking Santino. Fucking Fredo.
Ian MalcolmYou know who I give a shit about? You don't mean Santino who's in the listener panel, because we love Santino.
@nietzsche258918I love that Santino. I love our boy Santino. But now...
@joann_marieAnd by the way, here's the other thing I want to say. I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 6If I'm going after the mafia, I'm not even going after the Italians. I'm going after the Arnold Rothsteins. Yes, that's the real mafia.
@nietzsche258918And the Meyer Lanskys.
Speaker 6By the way, Ian...
@nietzsche258918Ian covers an aspect of this problem. I need to apologize to Ian, all right? Because I need to be fucking humble, too. No, you don't. Ian covers... There's two aspects to this problem that we're dealing with. I cover one side of it, where I just want to go for the top family. I don't care what they are. They call themselves Jews.
@nietzsche258918Ian goes after the other side of this problem, and Ian's correct, too. So we're both actually fucking correct. We're just tackling two different sides of this problem. Because to Ian's point, I posted a video of the guy who headed the EcoHealth... global viral project funded by bill gates and q tell that created covid and this guy's very seems to be very proud to be a jew a jewish atheist he says both his parents are strong jews of course he sounds very effeminate like epstein if i ever saw epstein or this guy you wouldn't want to like meet me in a street fight you know it wouldn't be a fun fucking time for epstein i really want to meet because i know he's still alive so one of the things i want to do before i die is to is to meet jeffrey epstein i want to shake his fucking hand i really do
@nietzsche258918I hope I meet him someday. The only thing I can tell you is it's Antonio Marfries.
Speaker 7Oh, sorry. Sorry, say that again?
Speaker 7I mean, I believe Jeffrey Epstein is dead, but if you want to go to the closest thing, there's Antonio Marfries. He's from So You Think You Dance. He's just like Jeffrey Epstein for a child.
@nietzsche258918Well, he's probably a prick, too. If he's anything like this other... Who's this guy in Florida? Something Pete? Palm Beach Pete? This retard? He could be like, people think he's like Epstein with plastic surgery. I don't know. He does look a lot like him.
Speaker 8Unless he had vocal cord surgery, he sounds retarded.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, it's right. These people, by the way, even Epstein, people keep saying Epstein's smart. Now, Kirk picked up on this. Charlie Kirk. He's like, oh, Epstein, he wears the hoodie and stuff like he's smart. No, he's not smart. He's retarded. The Rothschilds funded him. And now we know after the Epstein files, the Rothschilds funded him directly.
@nietzsche258918What's his name? Representative James Comer comes out. He's like, oh, we know who funded him directly.
Speaker 6Yeah, well, I mean, that was during Les Wexner's. Yes, Wexner.
@nietzsche258918By the way, during Wexner's testimony, what did he say? He literally said that he's been a Rothschild agent since the 80s.
Speaker 6And he said, if you say if you give an answer more than five words anymore, I'm going to fucking kill you. Yeah, exactly.
@nietzsche258918Now, listen. Now, here's the thing. I've confronted Nat Rothschild directly on X. I told him, hey, Lucifer is a bitch and all these people are bitches. All right, we're going to win. And I just need and I don't have any beef with Nat Rothschild or Lynn or any of the Rothschilds. It's amazing what they did. Starting in 1825, bailing out the Bank of England.
@nietzsche258918They forced them into a liquidation crisis. That's what they did to us before 13.
Speaker 5It goes way back before that.
@nietzsche258918Yes, it does. All I care about is from that. That's who we know from 1825 is this family. That's the family who bought Helene Maxwell her house. I don't give a shit about black nobility and all this other bullshit. I care about one family because I'm trying to solve this. This goes back to why Nick Fuentes... And Bilzerian never mentioned the family that we need to go after to solve it.
Speaker 2By the way. Nick Fuentes has mentioned the Rothschild being.
@nietzsche258918Why not on X? Why not one time on X? Why hasn't he posted where he emails Peter Thiel, I represent the Rothschild. Why hasn't he posted about that?
Speaker 2He talked about it on his show and the Rothschild being in charge with Ron Lauder of the Republican Jewish.
@nietzsche258918Has he called you a ballast to Federal Reserve? Has he called a ballast to Federal Reserve, Nick Fuentes, a lot? Or just like once a month?
Speaker 2I don't know. I don't watch his show every single night.
@nietzsche258918He sounds like a retard.
Speaker 2He sounds like a little prick who just makes money.
Speaker 6Hey, Forrest, I agree with so much of your saying.
Speaker 2I agree with your idea that we need to get out and protest. I do agree with that statement. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hold on a second. I'm agreeing with Forrest on the protest.
Ian MalcolmHang on. Hang on, Andy. Hang on. Hang on. Everybody, take a deep breath. enjoy a little relaxing interlude since we're talking about mafias joanne are we feeling relaxed
@joann_marieVery relaxed.
Ian MalcolmOkay. All right. We will now unmute everybody. We will now resume the chaos.
Speaker 2Okay, Ford's got to go for 10 minutes. I just want to say I agree with Ford.
@joann_marieNo, you guys need to relax.
Speaker 2I'm saying I agree with force on the protest. Can we all come together and hug? Complaining online is not enough. I agree with force. I agree with force on that. We do need to be out on the streets protesting Israel. Thank you, sir. We do need to be out protesting the dropout central bank. Thank you, sir. And I do agree.
Speaker 2Tucker, Nick, Candace needs to organize one of those protests because 10 people doing it... In the space organizing, it's not going to cut it. If Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens said, hey, go to this location and protest this, that would create a youth movement and people would actually be forced to take notice. And CNN and Fox would be forced to cover a bunch of young people out protesting the Rothschild Central Bank.
Speaker 2But just people talking about online is not going to cut it. Someone like a Nick, Tucker, or Candace needs to tweet and say, hey, go to this location. Let's actually... get this protest going. One of these people needs to step up and actually suggest that with great power does come.
Speaker 6Okay. Well then let's take it one step further. Then how do we organize that? You know, most of the, or a lot of us in here are small accounts, but Ian, you have a bigger account and you also know bigger accounts. So maybe we need to like start reaching out to these bigger accounts to reach out to Tucker and the, and other,
Speaker 6Larger accounts of, you know, like Tucker and stuff like that to create this grassroots movement.
@nietzsche258918Brilliant ideas. Oh, just sorry to chime in. Before I forget, brilliant ideas. Buckley Carlson follows me and Ian, by the way. So maybe we can kind of get together on this because Buckley has reposted both me and Ian. He's the man. He's the man. Yes. Oh, dude. He's a good man.
Speaker 6He used to follow me on my old account, but my old account got nuked by the Jews and... I'm just now rebuilding. I had like 3,000 on my old account, and now I'm just barely half that.
Ian MalcolmWait, wait, can I just, Joanne, I just, again, about the zeitgeist, can you imagine if two years ago when we started this battle, if somebody said on a space, I got nuked because of the Jews, everyone would have been like, who's this crazy person? And now we're at the point where even, I think, Diligent, if he was still in this room, would be like, yeah, that's probably what happened.
Speaker 7I love Jewish people, by the way. I'm pro-Jewish. My ex-girlfriend is Jewish. Good for you.
@joann_marieWhat do you like about them?
Speaker 7I mean, they're people. They've gone through safety.
@joann_marieI know they're people, but what specifically do you like about them?
Speaker 7Have you seen the movie Coming to America where they say Geesewater are the Nazis? You're referring to the Eddie Murphy movie? Yes, I am. And what scene? The barbershop scene where the joke by the Jewish man was, Geese Squad are the Nazis? Okay, yeah, with Muhammad Ali.
Ian MalcolmIf the boy wants to be called Muhammad Ali, I'm going to call him Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 7Yeah, that individual, the elderly Caucasian male. Okay. Did you understand the reference when they said, Geese Squad are the Nazis? Did you get what they meant by that?
Ian MalcolmNo, I was thinking about Cassius Clay.
Speaker 7It's an Easter egg where they actually released information publicly. And then that same Easter egg grew into South Park Season 28, Episode 1, Pajama Day. And then it grew again into Saturday Night Live, where they represented Best Buy this year. I think it was like three nights ago.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's why you like the Jews? You gotta trust the plan. Hang on. It's because Papa Smurf is actually the head of the Rothschilds. Isn't that right? John Smith?
Speaker 7It's because they're trying to basically censor the truth and control the media. And they say, you know who controls the media. So I don't pick sides. I just let them pretend they're not talking about everyone out there.
Ian MalcolmJohn, who do you think controls the media? Is it the Smurfs or is it Gargamel?
Speaker 7I think honestly the people control the media, but they can't control X. So Elon Musk gave us a voice here today. Thanks to you guys.
Speaker 6My account got nuked because I posted a meme of someone drinking Jewish semen. Okay.
Speaker 5That's amazing.
Speaker 6Exactly. So go fuck yourself on the Jews don't control the media and they don't control the music industry. Who's Rupert Murdoch?
Ian MalcolmGuys, I'm pretty sure he's trolling everybody. Don't take it so seriously.
@nietzsche258918To this guy's point, who's Rupert Murdoch's best friend? Who's his best buddy? Jacob Rothschild when he was alive. He went to his 2016 wedding. Jacob Rothschild. By the way, Who joined together to join Genie Energy? Rupert Murdoch and Jacob Rothschild, best buddies. I mean, come on.
Speaker 5Hey, just so you know, too, that these are the tall Jewish Caucasian guy. That's actually Eddie Murphy, too, just FYI.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I was taking him seriously there for a moment, and I remember the scene. If the boy wants to be called Cassius Clay, I'm going to call him Cassius Clay. No, Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 6I feel like the diagram that he was drawing there was the scene of Russell Crowe from The Beautiful Mind. Of all the strings and everything. Like, dude, seriously, come on.
@joann_marieThe craziest part is that Ian understood it. Like, I have no idea what was going on. And Ian was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6Ian's an idiot savant, man. Like, seriously, when it comes to shit like that, like, Ian, like, his brain is on another level.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, but I'm not. Hey, John Smith has me beat. And so, John, I got to ask, if we were to trace the rabbit hole all the way to the very bottom, I mean, I'm kind of convinced at this point that it's actually the spider from the third Lord of the Rings film that takes Frodo and puts him in the web. I think that's what's at the very bottom of the rabbit hole, but maybe I'm wrong.
Ian MalcolmWhat do you think is down there?
Speaker 7It's going to be Star Wars themed for sure. Definitely going to be Star Wars. It wouldn't be like Lord of the Rings. I think they're basically trying to control, manipulate the truth, especially in the news media outlet. They don't want people to know the connections between the Easter eggs. And they're basically saying, call everything fake and fake news and schizophrenia and play crazy with everyone out there.
Speaker 7So the ones that are listening out there, you know, it says Geek Squad are Nazis from the movie Coming to America on Amazon Prime. And then the next Easter egg is in South Park, season 28, episode one.
Speaker 6Okay, enough. Hey, John, who was behind 9-11?
Speaker 7I think it was the job. We already have a courtroom filled with that. I actually had family in that building, by the way.
Speaker 6Awesome. That's wonderful. Who was behind...
Ian MalcolmI'm sorry if you're sincere on that one.
Speaker 6If you're trolling, then it's a joke, but otherwise... My point is, answer the fucking question, Jew, and tell me who was behind 9-11. I don't want to hear a question with a question with a question. Answer the fucking question. Who was behind 9-11?
Speaker 9Lack of response is a reply. Your mom. Israel.
Ian MalcolmWell, all right. That was rousing. Yeah, exactly. Mr. John Smith, appreciate it. I still think it was the Jawas. Maybe I'm wrong on this one. But I did see several of them escaping the stormtroopers. So I think they are responsible. Let's go. I don't know what's going to happen from media mainstream, but he says that he is a non-hostile interdimensional being.
Ian MalcolmSo it seems right fitting given the Star Wars theme here. Mr. Media, did you get here in hyperspeed or was it warp speed?
Speaker 10No, interdimensional travel was actually DNA coded. So it's just within my genes to travel throughout dimensions.
Ian MalcolmWow. OK, so out of curiosity. So we're talking about Dan Bilzerian and Nick Fuentes and some of this drama. What is the response to their drama in the other dimensions?
Speaker 10Well, my dimension is mainly focused on James Fishback, but, you know, like the Venn diagram of Fishback overlaps with Fuentes and Bilzerian. And, you know, Bilzerian in Florida is an interesting character. I don't think he's a legitimate candidate. He's. You know, he's got several packs. He's probably going to kind of get some money from them.
Speaker 10But overall, I put my hand up a long time ago talking about when you guys were talking about Fuentes in the club with everyone. That is a strategy, cross demographic marketing. They had all those people in the same club together and they all live streamed it at the same time just for fan base to gather audience. Anyways, I didn't mean to derail the Rothschilds conversation.
Speaker 10But, you know, if you wanted to talk Fishback or Bozerian, I could probably. fill you in on some stuff.
@nietzsche258918Oh, great. Sorry to bug in real quick. I'm going to post what I believe to be the solution. And it's going to be the large peaceful gatherings. And the key is we never leave until we get what we want. So it's occupy peacefully. Don't destroy property. Don't trespass. There's signs every 10 feet that say we're peaceful.
@nietzsche258918We don't trespass. And there's also signs every 10 or 15 feet that list out our four things that we want. And these four things, I believe, can solve 90% of our problems. Even if you, whatever you believe it is, whatever group you believe you're in the world, this will solve for all four problems. One, ban all lobbying, right?
@nietzsche258918From foreign nations, corporations, PACs, super PACs, because they use, you know, Mary Madison, she's using PACs. They're using PACs. We got to stop this. Soros, enough. um soros can't donate anymore fifty dollars max every citizen soros can only donate fifty adelson can only donate fifty fucking dollars just like me that's it um from now on now second abolish the rothschild illegal unconstitutional private federal reserve installed in nineteen thirteen along with the federal income tax to back it up our slave money so enough of that we're going to abolish those
@nietzsche258918And also decouple from the Rothschild Bank for international settlements. I'll post the source for that. Good article by some guy. I know they created it. And so decouple from those, go back to whatever. Gold back currency, we can talk about that. Some currency that's in control of the Congress, the people. More control of the people.
@nietzsche258918Not in control of international bankers from Eastern Europe that worship the devil and Lucifer. Why don't we start with term limits? Dude, dude, that's actually number four. Number three... balanced budget amendment. Okay. The debt is what they use to crush us. This is a false reality where we have to be 40 trillion in debt.
@nietzsche258918No, we should be 40 trillion in surplus and everyone should be having a nice, fun, easy life. And that's what we're going to create almost overnight by doing this. Just like, you see what he's done with Kelly. And El Salvador, we can fix this very quick. And they know that. This is what you call real quick? Four is term limits.
@nietzsche258918Four-year term limits for Congress and Supreme Court. And that's it, sir. And then we do this. We don't leave until they give us those things. Peaceful. I say we combine it with a music fest and have great speakers like Ian, like anyone else. And Ian, if you want to organize maybe once a month or once every two months, maybe like a Solutions X space.
@nietzsche258918Get all the best minds you can find, right? Or like once a quarter or something like that. Or once every six months. Whatever you want. And just talk solutions like this, and we can start maybe building the framework for this. And if we post this specific... The problem with Occupy Wall Street, good heart to the movement, but they didn't have specifics.
@nietzsche258918What do you want? They didn't understand. How do we dismantle it? You got to get away from the Rothschild Bank for International Settlements, decouple, get rid of the Rothschild Federal Reserve, abolish it. Massey tried to do that. That's why Trump's trying to get rid of them. Trump asked the Fed to print more to get rates down so his buddies can make more money.
@nietzsche258918No. That's what we're going to do. We're going to organize it. We're going to fucking win. Thank you.
@joann_marieThank you so much, DeForest. And I want to welcome David Nietzsche to the space. I always love when he's here. David!
Speaker 11How are you?
@joann_marieI'm good. Thank you so much.
Speaker 11Are we giving king for a day speeches? Yes, we're going to do this. And then we're going to tell these people to do this. And we're going to do this. Well, I got some news for you. The people that rule us don't care. They don't care about those things. So first we have to call out the main problem, and we have to overcome that problem, and then we can worry about these other things.
@nietzsche258918Sir, how do you address the fact that they don't care? I'm giving you how to address it. It's so, like, it alters me.
Ian MalcolmI could listen. So one of these days I'm going to have to ask David if he can read a lullaby. So that I can put it on every single night and listen to his majestic delivery. And the contrast between that and force what you just did is very jarring. So let's try to be respectful to everybody. David, I'm very curious for your thought on some of these developments.
Ian MalcolmAnd I got two of them that I'll toss in your direction. So the first is Fuentes has basically, as best I can tell, and Andy walked through the reasoning behind it. It seems like Nick Fuentes said, Casey Putsch in Ohio is probably not going to win. I don't want to rubber stamp my brand next to, prospectively, someone that will lose.
Ian MalcolmSo I will sit this one out. And now in Ohio, they are stuck between Vivek Ramaswamy, who is certainly going to build all the data centers and do all the awful Israel stuff, or a Jew who's probably going to push the DEI stuff. Those are the options. And Fuentes has now come out and said, I don't know if it's specific just to that election or others.
Ian MalcolmHe's basically said, that's it. I'm siding with the Democrats to stick it to the Republicans, which I look at and I say, okay, so you just want people fighting in the matrix, not trying to escape it. That's first and foremost. The second is now simultaneously, you've got Dan Bilzerian coming out along with Buckley Carlson, a whole bunch of other big influencers saying that Nick Fuentes is clearly
Ian Malcolmcontrolled opposition. And this is not your assertion or assessment of those individuals, because I know that you take a stance of not trying to presume people's intentions, but curious for your thoughts on the former situation with Ohio as a microcosm, and then perhaps how this plays into the latter accusations that are being made.
Speaker 11Well, I think all of this proves the point that Nick Fuentes needs to get laid. I just, He's not a serious person. I'm sorry, but he's not a grown-up. There's no shame in losing, said the great Athenian leader, Pericles, except for the unwillingness to fight. And I have been saying for years, you know, it's okay to fight for the losing side.
Speaker 11Your choice isn't to fight for the winning side or the losing side. Your choice should be, if you have any moral presence in your consciousness and your soul, is to be on the right side. And what Nick Fuentes says is, I don't, in fact, one of his supporters said this to me, I think yesterday, you know, hey, how would you like it to be him and then support Casey and then he gets destroyed in a landslide by Vivek?
Speaker 11I'm like, I'll be very proud of that. What are you talking about? Great question. I would be very proud, but I would be very ashamed to pick the winning side if it was, for instance, Acton, an actual Jewish person who was a Jewish supremacist, someone who believes in the to convert our daughters into whores and our sons into daughters.
Speaker 11Someone who actively supports open borders and thinks that white people are the problem in America. And what does Nick Fuentes say? Support her. Now we're playing 3D chess. No, you're not, son. You're not even playing 1D tic-tac-toe. This is the dumbest idea. If you lose your morals, if you give up your principles under the guise of arriving...
Speaker 11on the auspices of arriving at a better future, how would it be possible? If we all give up our morals and principles, then we arrive at the future without those things, don't we? And then how could the future be better without our morals? How could the future be better without our principles? It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 11And gosh, what if we did win? How would you feel? What if Dan Blazarian won anyway and you didn't support him? Wouldn't you be ashamed for sitting there going, no, no, no, no, I was afraid. My precious reputation, first of all, I never went into a discussion, philosophically or otherwise, thinking about me. Oh gosh, if I lose, no.
Speaker 11I'm trying to keep my soul. I'm not trying to keep my brand. When people say personal brand, I've been in corporate environments where they use that phrase. And I always say, you know, it scares me when you talk about yourself like a product. Don't do that. You're a living, breathing soul with a divine spark. You should always consult that spark.
Speaker 11That is the oracle at your own personal Delphi. Go inside and ask yourself, what is the right side? What is the best of all possibilities? Who is representing that which is good on behalf of those that are innocent? And the answer, of course, in this case would be Dan. And you're saying that you won't show up because you're afraid of losing?
Speaker 11My friend, that is just feckless. What do you think about that?
Ian MalcolmI couldn't agree with you. It's funny, David.
Speaker 6You and I... David literally articulated exactly what I was saying. You're a man, like David.
Ian MalcolmKudos to you to articulate it. I don't know what you're doing. And David, I tried to suggest something similar in a less eloquent fashion earlier, which is essentially to say... that we all need to accept that we're going to take a whole bunch of bumps and bruises, we're gonna fall down, we're gonna get back up, and in the process, we get stronger, we get sturdier.
Ian MalcolmAnd to quote Michael Caine, why do we fall down, Master Wayne? So that we learn to pick ourselves back up again, right? And that we have to do that because in the process, it strengthens our arguments, our minds, and our willingness to stand and fight in opposition to absurd tyranny. Right. And, and so I do find it baffling that anybody would not only take the position of, I'm not going to, you know, to get off of the bench unless I know we can win.
Ian MalcolmAnd I find it even more baffling that somebody would be willing to say that that's why they're doing what they're doing. Cause I would find it embarrassing to take that stance. And I find it even more bizarre that people could listen to someone admit that that's why they're standing on the sidelines. and then could applaud them for doing it and defend it.
Ian MalcolmI find that whole thing baffling, David.
Speaker 11And just remember this. You don't have to vote for anybody. The biggest misapprehension, as you've heard me say before, of democracy is that the voting booth is our instrument of control over those who deign to rule us, when quite the reverse is true. What's your solution then? Hold on. You can clearly see. You can clearly see.
Speaker 11that they own that magic little box. And what it really does, what it ends up doing is it hypnotizes us all. When people say, well, you have no right to complain if you didn't vote. No, no, no. You have no right to complain if you did in some circumstances because you're choosing evil one and evil two. The whole machine is designed, in the words of The Matrix, to pull the world over your eyes to blind you.
Speaker 11And it succeeded for people who think that way. The Great Awakening will transcend throughout the history of the world. The biggest movements have been outside of the political system. That's why the people that have changed the world the most never held office. Gandhi never held office. By the way, MLK never held office.
Speaker 11But neither did Jesus or the Buddha or Confucius or Lao Tzu. You see, these people made moral claims under the premise of the veracity of a given point. that the righteousness of it is not dependent upon the number of people who subscribe to it. In other words, it's not up to the plebiscite, it's not up to the vote. And these people would have us believe with their magic box that it is.
Speaker 11The awakening needs to happen. And by the way, if everybody that doesn't want to vote for evil one and evil two, if they say, we're going to abstain until someone meets the bar this high, someone will come calling for those votes. We're seeing it now, by the way. We're seeing Dan come calling. He's knocking at your door and say, finally, I am a candidate who stands up for what is right.
Speaker 11I'm pointing out Jewish supremacy. I'm pointing out the thing that is completely destroying all Western civilization. So it'll be gone forever and ever and ever. And then will you support me? And then we should all rise up and go, yes. Yes, we will. Well, that doesn't mean if, you know, Ted Cruz is running against Lindsey Graham, we should go, well, gosh, you know, Lindsey is up to hell with that choice.
Speaker 11I'm not taking that Faustian bargain. I don't want the blood on my hands that comes from them. I don't want to call that person my representative without taking responsibility for the mass extermination that he's going to perpetrate.
@nietzsche258918no that's so well sir sir oh sorry sorry to interrupt i just want to back up what this guy just said brilliantly stated sir i want to back up what you just said and i also want to offer a solution because this is normally where the conversation ends we say oh they control both sides they do and then we stop i have the solution now uh to your to this guy's point let me illustrate it very specifically first of all we had two skull and bones members bush and kerry run
@nietzsche258918And whatever the hell year that was, 2001, as absurd as that was. 2016, we have two pure Rothschild agents running. The WikiLeaks emails, Hillary Clinton. Lynn Rothschild emails and says, I'm your loyal, adoring pal. Lynn Rothschild's in pictures with Trump, too. They're all buddies. The Rothschild family, Wilbur Ross of Rothschild Incorporated, bailed out Trump's family casinos.
@nietzsche258918And they owned him in the early 90s. And then Trump made Wilbur Ross his commerce secretary and added $8 trillion in Rothschild debt. to our country uh... that's across us for the rock out that's what he's doing now the big beautiful bill as massey says can add another ten billion over the next ten years trumps putting the mail and our fucking coffin sorry for the language off okay now so so in twenty sixteen we had to rothschild agents running for president evil on an evil too how do we end this you have to stop a lot of the only candidates that were presented with are the ones that are funded
@nietzsche258918The campaign finance needs to change. Otherwise, we're only going to be continued to present with evil shit one and shit two. Retard one and retard pedo two. Enough. The way to stop that is, and by the way, to your point, sir, yeah, they're never going to. Every person I tell this to, I could tell this to 10,000 people, and 9,999 will tell me they'll never do that.
@nietzsche258918Well, you know what? MLK didn't think like that. Gandhi didn't think like that. Jefferson didn't think like that. Washington didn't think like that. The way we do it today, though, okay, they have fucking death rays invented by Tesla and stolen by Trump's uncle, John Trump, right, when the FBI sent John Trump to look at the Tesla files.
@nietzsche258918So violence doesn't work, and it wouldn't work anyway if people are violent and they don't even know what the problem is, which is the banking, top of the problem, and the campaign financing. If that's not addressed, then what's violence going to do? In the next cycle you go, big money is always going to run everything.
@nietzsche258918If you don't ban lobbying, which is bribery, Miriam Adelson, I'm going to give you $200 million, Trump, and here's what you're going to do for me. You're going to let Israel bomb Lebanon and take that over and take over Iran and do these illegal wars and crush us and make the gas prices go higher. You're going to do that, Trump, because I bought you.
@nietzsche258918So all our voting, all our little votes, our cute votes, didn't matter either way. Because you know who Biden's Secretary of State was? Tony Blinken, who's... stepdad Samuel Bazar was Ghislaine Maxwell's Israel super spy dad Robert Maxwell's top lawyer confidant and that's when the Gaza genocide occurred under Tony Blinken so whoever we win it's always the Rothschilds who win with Rupert Murdoch who by the way Jared Kushner literally buddy buddy with Murdoch let Netanyahu sleep in his bed but Murdoch is his mentor who we know Murdoch's best buddies with the Rothschilds right and so
@nietzsche258918Who's doing our negotiating? Who started this war? Murdoch called Trump and said, you're doing this war. Who did Murdoch say that for? This one family who Dan Bilzerian and Nick Fuentes don't want to talk about. But I do. Because I just want to solve problems. I don't want any violence done against the Rothschild family.
@nietzsche258918I think it's impressive what they did. They said, this is a world of retards. You don't want to solve problems. So we're going to solve the problem and we're going to take the whole fucking world over. And they did. So I actually give them a lot of credit, but I just want to peacefully decouple from them. They can move to, you know, Rothschild Island, Antarctica.
@nietzsche258918You know, it was, it was Rockefeller who funded bird to go explore Antarctica. And we'd all know the Rothschilds own the rock, the Rockefellers and funded them with their banks, right? The standard oil and all that. So anytime you hear, Oh, the Rockefellers did this or that. No, the Rothschilds did it. So they've owned them since day one.
@nietzsche258918So we have a solution. I posted it. If we can spread that around, you can spread that infographic around. I give anyone permission. I made that infographic. I want to start a new third party, the left and right unite party. The name of the party says it all. What are we uniting on? What can we unite with the left? And I always hear, oh, we can never unite with the left and right.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, we can on anti-corruption, banning lobbying.
Speaker 9So Marian Adelson can't buy elections. Is this just like a boomer repeating everything he's learned on YouTube since 2011? Is that like what this is?
@nietzsche258918Sir, what the fuck? Sir, who owns Epstein Island? Is it the Rothschild family? Sir, who owns Epstein Island?
Speaker 9I'm just asking.
Ian MalcolmSir, who owns Epstein Island? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, so three things. Number one, Mr. Truth Teller just opened his space, so I'll be wrapping this one up just a little bit, but I do want to make sure that we get to all the hands of all the speakers that came up here, especially Mr. Converse. I'm going to be very curious for his thoughts, given...
Ian Malcolmthat he's intimately familiar with these individuals that we're talking about. But anybody else that is interested, I certainly want to make sure that they get a chance to share their opinions. So, Forrest, let's take a deep breath. What we can certainly allow is some commentary there, and we'll allow this new individual to have a back and forth with you.
Ian MalcolmBut first, let's check in with Khan. And I'm very curious, Mr. Converse. Again, I know you've been around some of the biggest influencers that are aware of these subjects. When it comes to Fuentes and Bilzerian, I've got respect for both of them. I've got an immense amount of respect for Bilzerian, for his willingness to step up.
Ian MalcolmI've got a lot of respect for Nick Fuentes, for his intellect and his historical frame. I think he knows a lot about a lot of things, which is very impressive. I do find some strange little nuances in Fuentes' messaging. The stuff around Charlie Kirk was very bizarre. The stuff with Epstein I thought was very strange and off-putting.
Ian MalcolmSo he's had some missteps. And this new one where he seemingly abstained from supporting Casey Putsch, who I think could have been a great candidate in Ohio. Now, as a result, everybody's stuck with Vivek. And it seems like his most recent messaging is down with the Republicans. We're going to stick it to them by voting for the Democrats for the next two or four years, which just seems like a very...
@ehsanjoarderBizarre way to try and solve the problem unless he well in this particular case He's saying vote for the Jew which is even more peculiar Thank you Thank you for your comment. I know my man. You're very hype. I'm about to give you a compliment So just chill out for a second Ian thank you for the compliment. Thank you for doing these spaces.
@ehsanjoarderYou're a very important node right now and keep doing what you're doing and Mr. The Force, first of all, are you aware that there was something called the JP Conference done in 2024?
@nietzsche258918Okay, first of all, sir, I'm not a boomer. I'm a male under 40. Anyone who wants to walk up to me on the street, I'll rip your fucking head, whoever that was, I'll rip your head off your shoulders, bitch. You're a slow retard, and I'm not.
Speaker 9He's chimping out. He's chimping out. Converse, this is Chadical. I haven't seen you in like a year. I hope you've been doing good, man. Hey, you're the troll. Okay, got it.
@nietzsche258918Why do you talk slow like a retard?
@ehsanjoarderWho are you talking to, my friend? Actually, pretty much both.
@nietzsche258918Pretty much both, but that guy right there, particularly the guy who called instead of what I was saying was like what a boomer would say. He sounds like mentally retard and talks very slow and a little feminine.
Speaker 9I'm wondering who that is. Let me clarify for you. I just felt like I had gotten into a time machine and I came back to YouTube in 2011. What were they talking about?
@nietzsche258918Specifically, sir, stop being a retard.
Ian MalcolmHold on. Hang on. Hang on. All right. All right. All right. For everybody that's up here on the panel and everybody in the listener category, I need a thumbs up or a thumbs down on whether or not this is entertaining from the force or if we should just mute this individual. So give me a thumbs. Oh, man. Lots of thumbs down.
Ian MalcolmWe'll give one more chance. Give a thumbs up if you think Force is productively assisting the conversation, a thumbs down if the inverse. Yitz is a thumbs down. Okay, so Force, what I'm going to do, I'm going to ask that you not interrupt Converse because I really respect what he has to bring to the table. If you do, I'm going to have to remove you from the speaker panel because you keep jumping in and yelling at people.
@nietzsche258918Understood.
@ehsanjoarderAll right, yeah. So anyway, I appreciate all your passion. correct I mean you know you dropped something dropped a couple gems so appreciate that I was asking you a question about the JP conference so let's stay focused so did you have you heard of this have you heard of somebody doing a JP conference or do you know anything about it let's force yeah and and force I don't mean that you have to completely mute yourself but I I wasn't aware that was directed at me the JP conference I don't believe so no
@ehsanjoarderOkay, so you mentioned unity. You mentioned a new political party. So I want to bring you up to speed on a couple matters. I think you kind of understand what our problem is. You may not articulate it the way we do or I do specifically. But we did a conference called the JP Conference. And for some people, that's Jewish power.
@ehsanjoarderFor some people, that's Jewish problem. I'm the one who financed it and organized it. And the whole concept was unity. Unity across Gentile lines. And my personal preference is believing Gentiles. i.e. monotheistic believing Gentiles. Now, I'm not saying that anyone can't commiserate, but for my particular group, the JP Project, that's kind of what we did.
@ehsanjoarderAnd basically, the who's who of the noticers of the last few decades were there. Dr. E. Michael Jones, Dr. Michael Scheuer, former 25-year CIA analyst, chief of the bin Laden unit, and someone who's been talking about Jewish supremacy for a good decade now on his blog. um you know i'm sure you've heard of dr e michael jones you might have heard of dr cynthia mckinney a phd former congresswoman who fought them while she was in congress um and at the time you know lucas gage was a big wrecking ball so he was there sam parker a bunch of names of people who had been noticing and calling out the tribe and it was across uh racial religious lines iokimathi a man you may not have heard of was there he put everybody on to game about how the the fag flag
@ehsanjoarderis actually the Jewish autonomous Oblast flag from Russia. And so it's the exact same flag that became the homosexual alphabet brigade flag. So a lot of cool information was there. And I basically did this because I thought, and for a long time I've thought, because I've been aware about the subject for a very long time.
@ehsanjoarderum that people should unite across these lines now in the backdrop after that um the adl called the event unprecedented and this is the biggest issue for the rothschild octopus is gentile unity and in fact if you read the protocols and i'm assuming you have you understand that this is the one subject that they this is the one mechanism by which they think they would have a worthwhile foe and as you know as you called us kind of the same you know the dumb goyim
@ehsanjoarderThey've been dumb and it's kind of like they get what they deserve. And so the one mechanism they do have is to unite because they're all facing extermination. So from that, I have now suffered a tremendous amount in my personal and private life, hence the protected account. uh generally low profile social media sense but i do communicate with bill zarian and ian i'm going to get back to what happened with them because i don't i'm not really aware i've been out doing things today so i want to get up to speed but anyway uh in the backdrop of doing the jp conference we decided to create a unity party now you may have heard of the fact that there was just recently an event and i haven't watched it yet so
@ehsanjoarderI'm awaiting everybody else's kind of take on it, but it was an event called America First United, I think. And it was, I think, if I'm not mistaken, organized by two women, Anna Kasparian and was it Amy Dangerfield, I think. Anyway, I haven't watched that, so I have to take a look, but it looks like... Jake Shields made a cameo, Dan Bilzerian made a cameo, and both of them have, well, Dan specifically hasn't yet fully, but Jake is definitely committed to being a host of the JP conference when we do it again.
@ehsanjoarderSo in the backdrop, we created a group, and I'm not going to name the political party because we're working on a platform, and I want to offer you the opportunity to communicate with us because I think you do have good ideas on the brief things that I heard. Do you have Telegram, the force?
@nietzsche258918Oh, sir. Yeah. First of all, I love everything you just said. And I apologize for my outburst. You got to understand, I'm extremely frustrated. I've been trying to get this stuff out for years. I'm sorry.
@ehsanjoarderYou're finding your tribe. You're finding your tribe. So let's stay focused.
@nietzsche258918You have a telegram. I do not. By the way, Cynthia McKinney just followed me a few days ago. I just made a great post. I've been an infographic about the Rothschild specifically, and she made a great post about the Rothschilds. It was about three, four days ago. She just followed me. So we're buddies now. So I can definitely join with you.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, if you want to hook up, she's a lovely lady.
@ehsanjoarderIf you want to hook up... Get yourself Telegram. Do you have your DMs open? Yeah, you do. I'm going to hit you with my Telegram handle.
@nietzsche258918Listen, unfortunately, I don't have a Telegram. I'm not going to have a Telegram. I can tell you this. I have my own thing. It's the Left and Right Unite Party. I don't know what your solution is. I offer solutions. And so my solutions, very four specific things that if we do them, we'll solve everything. I don't need to do a conference.
@nietzsche258918I've already figured it out. It's no offense.
@ehsanjoarderBut if we do those things – I'm not asking you to do a conference, my friend. I'm asking you to have a conversation. If you're interested, please hit me up. You can hit me up on here, and we can have a conversation on here, although I strongly prefer Telegram or a quick call. That's all I was saying because we're already working on something, and it would be good to swap ideas if you want to be a part of – what we're doing great.
@ehsanjoarderIt's not a conversation, whatever. It doesn't matter. I just wanted to give you that. Awareness.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, if you want to see I'm if you want to DM. I'm totally down with that We can hook up that way also I posted in the purple pill arm if you want to give this to that group as well What was it called again the JP?
@ehsanjoarderMy project the JP project Yeah, basically kind of like a think tank on the subject of resolving this issue that we have with the tribe So anyway, the political party is a part. Oh, yeah and and i already dm'd you my dm'd you my telegram handle but if you don't want to get on telegram we'll figure out a different way but yeah let's let's uh let's kind of i just wanted to give you that opportunity because i heard what you said i like what you said as well um ian real quick um with dan and nick can you quickly i know you probably can do it the best uh get me up to speed as to what happened because i was talking to dan about nick a few days about a week ago or so
@ehsanjoarderBut I'm curious what happened.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and that's one of the things that's so neat is that this is a movement that's got millions of ears and eyes, and it's got lots of big voices, Dan, of course, included, and Khan for everybody that didn't catch it in the backdrop. The JP Conference, that was his project, brought together the biggest of folks. He's been at this for over a decade at this point.
Ian MalcolmHe's been one of the most impactful people in this movement. So... You know all these personas intimately. And what has been strange is obviously, again, I have a lot of respect for Nick Fuentes. I think historically and politically he's extremely literate and does a fantastic job presenting a lot of these complex ideas.
Ian MalcolmThere's been a couple of things that I found unusual, right? The Charlie Kirk, don't look at Israel as a potential culprit. I thought that was kind of strange. The stuff with Epstein, there's probably a half dozen others that I could point to. But most recently, Khan, The thing that I thought was kind of suspect was there was a bit of friction between Casey Putsch who was running against Vivek Ramaswamy for the Republican ticket in Ohio and Fuentes was absent.
Ian MalcolmAnd not only did he not participate or lift up Casey's campaign, he actually kind of denigrated it, which I thought was odd because now you're stuck with Vivek and, uh, and this Jew, the Democrat.
@ehsanjoarderAnd now you've got- Yeah, he gleefully said, rest in piss. I saw that. Yep. But I'm curious what happened between Dan and him.
Ian MalcolmSo then you've got Fuentes today who came out and said, I'm going to support the Democrats to stick it to the Republicans, which, I mean, we can all agree in this room that when you've got a common denominator that controls both sides saying, I'm gonna get the right by giving it to the left, it's okay, you're giving to the same hand.
Ian MalcolmIt's just a different rendition of the same problem. And so I thought that was a little bit strange. Dan Bilzerian then came out about three hours ago and put up a post and said, that's it. Nick Fuentes is a fed. I'm done with him. And so you've simultaneously in the aftershock, you've had everyone from Buckley Carlson to a handful of other really prominent people coming out on censored AI, obviously a big handle that came out.
Ian MalcolmAnd all of these people are basically saying that they're done with Fuentes. He's stirring up division. There's been too many oddities. And I take no about any of these people. Right. To make that observation. But I do think that it was strange seeing Fuentes' position in Ohio as kind of a microcosm for, you know, he's now sitting around and saying, well, we don't have a good candidate.
Ian MalcolmSo give it to the Jewish Democrat. And it's like, no, you you did have a good candidate in Casey Butch who could have put an end of a VAC. It could have made a huge seismic impact on. the zeitgeist. It could have been a great precursor to Bill Zarian and his campaign, and it was squandered, which I think is rather strange.
Ian MalcolmSo, curious for your thoughts on all of it.
@ehsanjoarderOkay, yeah. So, I've been telling people privately that the word Fed is really gay. First of all, what's really interesting about the followers of Nick is that a couple years ago when I was planning the conference, I'd Wasn't sure. I was kind of like iffy, maybe 40, 60, 50, 50 on him. And, um, you know, I started reaching out to people.
@ehsanjoarderIn fact, chatticles in here, he knows, um, to get an opportunity to talk to him. Cause I thought if he's honest, that this is something that he would be very much interested in. And, um, then I, uh, went to. The failed F pack or event two weeks before the JP conference. Um, primarily to link up with everybody that was coming because there was a lot of people that were going there that were going to come to my event and I wanted them to feel comfortable with me and meet me in person and things like that because I've always done in-person things and I've actually been around for two decades not one doing this stuff activism etc making films etc so anyway I I went to the event and the whole event the vibe was off the things and you know that's kind of a more esoteric term so and
@ehsanjoarderYou know, unfortunately, Candace uses it a lot, so it has its own energy around it. But basically, there was a lot of things that were off about what happened. First of all, it's a Catholic event, right? And so there should be a veneer of religiosity, you would think. And there was not. And there was not only not, they did it in a nightclub.
@ehsanjoarderAnd the reason they had to do it in a nightclub was because the original venue, and, you know, this is the official story, last minute told them... um screw you you're not going to be able to get the event off which you know as someone who's been around for a very long time i could have told you that especially if you're announcing the venue or even i think at the time they were trying to keep it somewhat secretive
@ehsanjoarderSo anyway, in the aftermath of that, they had, and he also made it a big point to counter signal Trump, who I believe was at TPUSA's event. It must've been TPUSA. I don't think there was any other big conservative organization. Anyway, they were doing an event at the same time, which is why he did it in Detroit. And so he was basically on a bullhorn right outside their event.
@ehsanjoarderAnd that's why his own events got thrown off partially as well. then he went to this nightclub and it was a primarily black nightclub in the basically the outskirts of detroit and uh him and his group of let's say not so uh well this a lot of them are dysgenic it's just the way it is a lot of them you can tell or the stereotype and that's just what it is and i'm only saying this now i mean i haven't really talked about this publicly but i'm doing this since you asked um
@ehsanjoarderAnd so, and then prior to this event, you know, I had been online and I had just a couple thousand followers. I was not really on here. I was doing what I do now in spaces, but a lot less, but a lot more back then. And I had a group of these that were basically led by this anonymous character, chief Trumpster. Um, they were coming into the spaces, small spaces, smaller than this one, a couple of hundred people and chasing me around every time I got on the mic and calling me a fed and saying that they were going to kill me.
@ehsanjoarderAnd it was very strange. Cause I was like, first of all, nobody even knows who I am. I mean, you know, I've been doing this for a very long time, but overall I've kept a low profile. Always hated this culture personality that he is not only leaned into, but fully indulged to the, uh, satisfaction or, you know, dissatisfaction of his own ego, which is boundless.
@ehsanjoarderAnd so, uh, this is something I long ago saw that this was a big problem. And this was, I couldn't not only trust other people. I didn't want to fall victim to that. So I would always encourage people to learn this information for themselves. Meanwhile, always plotting in the background, trying to actually get big victories, like what ultimately came through the JP conference.
@ehsanjoarderWhen we went to this event, um, there was a lot of failures, a lot of stuff. And then people who set up the second location on the fly for him, because they trusted him. They spent $6,000 securing this nightclub. Now, again, this is a Catholic group or primarily Catholic group, at least in the inner core, that's doing this at a nightclub, black nightclub.
@ehsanjoarderAnd then they brought in Jared Taylor, who is another individual who I've long suspected and Io suspects of being a homosexual. That's a whole nother story, but has always deflected from the Jews and said that the Jews were white and that they belong and that, you know, really the big problem is the minorities who, you know, of course wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for the Jews.
@ehsanjoarderSo anyway, long story short, I've always had a great deal of suspicion about him. He became the headliner of Nick's event. Now E. Michael Jones, was on cozy cozy was the only platform nick was screaming on and uh e michael jones was there and who better than e michael jones and why not if you're gonna bring jared taylor from the so-called white side which really doesn't have too much basis in catholicism or even relevance to catholicism you have a catholic anti-jew lecturer scholar of esteem why not bring him right you've already got him on cozy etc strangely enough didn't offer an invite didn't even take e michael jones's call
@ehsanjoardercertainly didn't invite him to the event strange in and of itself and then this individual jared taylor goes to this black nightclub and starts talking about uh let's just say taking adverse action towards blacks now obviously in a black nightclub that's not going to go over well his people were very rowdy they ended up
@ehsanjoarderbreaking a lot of glass bottles, all the stuff. They showed up late, and then they expected to go beyond the time allotted for them. And unfortunately, it's a nightclub. They operate on a certain schedule. You paid for what you paid for. You got to get out. And then they wouldn't get out. And I think if you're aware, maybe some people are aware, Sneeko got punched in the mouth.
@ehsanjoarderWe were all hanging out afterwards. It was missing a tooth at the time. um so anyway and a lot of people made these sacrifices sneko his tooth and um prop and co who propaganda and co people may know that name i met him as well there and uh he also got hit with something and it ended up cutting him and he had to get a bunch of stitches and these were all just other collateral damage and you know casualties of this event uh which went off in a very strange manner so anyway then he said he conquered detroit
@ehsanjoarderwhich I thought was really corny and gay, especially since he sits behind a computer most of the time, really doesn't like coming out. And all these people called us all feds, including Ayo, who actually was a federal agent maybe back in the day, 15 years ago, he was working for Homeland Security. And the reason he was thrown out was because he uncovered a lot of Jew scandals that were happening at Homeland Security.
@ehsanjoarderSo, and he broke it down at the conference because I gave him that opportunity in our round table where I, because I, because of these little so-called groipers always calling me a fed and... you know, talking about killing me and all this stuff. I said, well, Hey, look, this is the JP conference zone may only happen one time.
@ehsanjoarderLet me go ahead and talk about this. So me and IO both addressed this whole fed jacketing allegation. And I think this is projection because, um, you know, he hasn't had good denials on that particular subject as to why in the Biden era, when they were punishing Trump supporters, when this guy specifically said for people to go to rush the Capitol, why is it.
@ehsanjoarderwhy why why why why was he not only allowed to be okay he was taken off the uh no fly list he was given a lot of perks and and you know some of this whole like organization around this you know kid who lives with his folks it's a little strange for it to be this well oiled on a digital realm all the bots and everything else that they got and it's a big very detailed operation there was an individual from france that you know donated a ton of bitcoin then ended up dying this individual was an expert at creating bots by the way just so you know and it's not that he doesn't have organic uh
@ehsanjoarderpeople and organic support who are very diehard. That's definitely a thing, but there's nothing stopping those people from having 30 Twitter accounts each, right? So it's just important to kind of understand this. And this is why there's, it has been a dis, um, kind of, uh, distinct disregard for actually self-involving in the political process by himself.
@ehsanjoarderHe just kind of wants to so-called inspire the next, uh, the next brilliant mind that's gonna, you know, I guess be more authoritative in the physical realm. um that could actually do the job that he's you know basically pontificating about um and yeah he is articulate but like i said we put out 9 11 missing links when he was 10 years old literally on his 10th birthday so there's a lot of people that spoke before him there was an individual i want to give credit to here since i'm you know going into this long diatribe on the subject a guy named andrew anglin
@ehsanjoarderAndrew Anglin was the guy who basically spawned Nick Fuentes. He was the Nick Fuentes, but much better, the original in the written form. Nick basically stole his entire identity and played it out on his show. And they were actually somewhat tight. And he also came out and said there was a lot of strange things about Nick even before he disavowed the whole Charlie Kirk thing.
@ehsanjoarderAnd that was a very organized thing because if you go back and look at the timeline, he got a New York Times fluff. piece okay a new york times fluff piece the day before charlie was assassinated and then multiple times after and again they're fluff pieces they're not hit jobs effective hit jobs because there are effective hit jobs written by some people including uh max jumenthal's wife
@ehsanjoarderwho's written a pretty good piece on him. And there's been plenty of great films that have broken down the stuff. Owen Benjamin has done good content on it. And I think everybody kind of is on the same page with this. Now, I don't know about Dan and calling him a fad. That term, I guess, is just not... I mean, I think it's accurate overall, but I just don't like the term because it's, it's used for everybody.
@ehsanjoarderAnd, um, if he did sell out and I think he probably did, it was probably 2021. And by the way, just like Trump had a fake assassination attempt, I had told my private group, I don't make all these thoughts public because first of all, his rabid, uh, band of bandits, they, you know, go and try to like, if one of them had a mic right now, they would be losing their minds.
@ehsanjoarderOkay, just so you know, because this kind of expose, this is like, oh, let's go to war with this individual. Let's make their lives miserable. Let's do this. And they, in fact, did that to the nightclub owner who rightfully threw them all out in Detroit. And, you know, then there was gangsters that that guy knew that were surrounding the place.
@ehsanjoarderAnd, you know, Dr. What's her name? The big doctor who has Anastasia Lupus, Dr. Lupus. She had her daughter there. 16-year-old daughter was there. So, I mean, it was, it was, he put a lot of people in danger with that event. Anyway, after that event, I told everybody, yeah, this guy's... you know not only toxic but there's something really really that smells rotten about this dude but i can't go all the way in and talk about it because so many people love him and they attach their own egos to him and so i know i worship the one creator god so i mean i can't ever get that tight with any human being every human being is fallible and it doesn't really matter but unfortunately um for these types of people it does
@ehsanjoarderknow they need an icon that they can look to because they themselves feel hept and one of the problems with his overall agenda is to keep people in their homes and inactive and catatonic and not doing anything actually meeting up in the physical realm and part of the reason that they were so successful at brandishing me or i mean excuse me uh branding me as a so-called um
@ehsanjoarderknow i guess fed or whatever was because i wanted to meet in person i wanted to do things in person because i think that's way more effective and as you know with the small account being protected to stay to have the ear of a guy like bill zarian and jake shields and that i've all i've obviously earned my bona fides with these individuals and these these same individuals who have
@ehsanjoarderdropped these ships with these other individuals who are much better situated right from an influence perspective and you know online notoriety and everything else anyway Andrew England is the guy who basically spawned Nick Fuentes taught him a lot of it and it was way more humorous I mean you can go back and read the actual writings of Andrew England and laugh your ass off like I'm talking if even if you're funny like he was that effective the writer of Fight Club once went on Joe Rogan and said that it was his sick
@ehsanjoardertwisted pleasure to read Andrew Anglin, even though he was so obnoxious. It's basically like... a very over the top style, but it was very effective. And in fact, it's also what led to the 2016 election of Trump, who at the time, a lot of people were fooled. I think that he, or, you know, maybe he was really genuinely trying something and thinking that all those Rothschild connections and everything else he had done in his past wouldn't come back to haunt him.
@ehsanjoarderAnd he learned his lesson through the 2020 stolen election and then came back. It's almost like the Batman Two-Face story. That's my take on it. But anyway, long story short, yeah, there was a lot of issues with him. The assassination attempt, in my opinion, was totally fake. It was to prop him up. First of all, that news broke on Twitter, which I thought was really strange.
@ehsanjoarderWhy the fuck is that news breaking on Twitter? And the individual, I don't know if the place was called Palestine or what, but someplace in Illinois. bottom two and a half hours away from Nick Fenton's house. This dude supposedly killed two individuals. I believe he knew or in his family or something like that. And then went to his house and you can watch the video.
@ehsanjoarderAnd by the way, there's three different video feeds that were published and all three of them glitch. All right. So, you know, when you're a noticer, you've noticed for 20 years, it's kind of like, wait, what? Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? You know, the guy brings a fucking harpoon to the front door and then he's confused.
@ehsanjoarderHe has a gun and a harpoon. I mean, was it a harpoon or a, I don't even know what to call it. Yeah, I think a harpoon. It was a crossbow. Crossbow, my bad. I always call it a harpoon. Yeah, exactly. It was a crossbow. I call it a harpoon. But anyway, yeah, he comes with a, he comes with that to the... and i've lived in that area in berwin so i recognize the area immediately you can't mistake it you know it's a specific type of brick homes that are there anyway uh he brings it and he like lays it down on the porch somewhere and he's like confused as to what he's gonna do and then he's like yo nick
@ehsanjoarderlike a perfect little video it's kind of like the perfect little video where the jew woman comes on his uh door and then he gets to push her across you know and let her fall and take her take his phone and a whole bunch of midgets online start thinking that's so gangster anyway um so yeah and then know then there's another feed from a different side that also glitches and then supposedly you know he ran away and jumped into the neighbor's yard where there were some dogs supposedly killed the dogs and then the police killed him and end of story and you know by the way he doesn't bring a lot of attention to it no neither does anyone else
@ehsanjoarderIsn't that similar to what Trump, what happened with Thomas Crooks and Trump? You know, you never hear about it. No, it didn't. I don't even think they found out what kind of gun it was. Just don't worry about it. Don't think about it. You know, of course, in this last fake assassination attempt, there was a freaking Israeli magician.
@ehsanjoarderThey're doing a magic trick at the. the damn thing and you know when they do these false flags they they used to be a little subtle you know they used to be not so afraid it's like i think they're getting even more cocky now so yeah this israeli uh magician oz perlman i believe was there when trump uh was supposedly getting assassinated trump gets to look all cool and calm and hey we need that ballroom can we get that ballroom now and by the way oz perlman um told joe rogan his pin code
@ehsanjoarderI mean, he showed it to him on his show live. And you can tell Joe Rogan didn't like that. And Jake brought attention to that, which I thought was very important. But anyway, since all of this stuff has happened with Mr. Fuentes, and then, of course, with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I told the JP group, I said, watch, this is going to be a litmus test.
@ehsanjoarderWho is going to say that it's very likely that it was Israel? Because none of us are going to sit around and wait 30 fucking years for all the evidence to come out. Or... is going to say no no no no yeah you know they're the best at assassinations they've done pretty much every major political assassination throughout the world for decades but not this one not this one and guess who it was it was richard spencer another fed i don't like using that term but let's call it that right um richard spencer nick fuentes and dave smith
@ehsanjoarderwho else did dan just have beef with and by the way dan's on spiritual thing this is a spiritual reason because there's nobody who's mate who's got 20 broads hanging off of him and who can live on a yacht for the rest of his life and enjoy himself do whatever the hell he wants that's going to want to take up the battle against jews
@ehsanjoarderUnless it's something spiritual that's brought into him that's making him do it. And that's what's also guiding him as to these battles. Because he was the one who just told Jake, what, two months ago, hey, don't fight with Fuentes. Let's unite. Let's not do any of this stuff. And in fact, about a year ago, I saw a tweet from him that made my stomach turn where he was giving Nick Fuentes all the credit as like some OG, which really bugs people like me because I know that he got it all from...
@ehsanjoarderAndrew Anglin and the only reason I mention England is because I'm the one I converse I'm the one who j-pilled Andrew Anglin in 2008 we had an open debate about it's the only debate Andrew Anglin ever lost so anyway I want to give you guys that background and you know again a small account like me I'm still under 10,000 I can barely ever get you know beyond that there's a whole bunch of people on their requests I can't even you know get to or I don't even trust whatever the case may be so
@ehsanjoarderThis how back this is how far back this, this goes. And this is how this web is a weave, right? Cause the people, the old school people in England is I think six, uh, not even like he's a month younger than me. So we're in that same era. Um, we didn't care about notoriety. We didn't care about being famous. We just wanted to be the best and do something that was big and important at that time.
@ehsanjoarderAnd when it came to this, he, you know, educated and woke up a lot of people. He created a lot of white awareness of whiteness and why it was important and why it was under attack. which is now helping all of us, right? Because now the white people are awake. They're going to take over their own countries again. And it's the same thing.
@ehsanjoarderSo, you know, a guy like Ayo, he's also involved with the JP Project. So I had told everybody it's going to be a litmus test. What do they say about this Charlie Kirk assassination? And this is the big divide between Candace and Nick. And this is why I think... If one individual is genuine or more genuine, it's certainly Candice in this equation.
@ehsanjoarderNow, I don't really take Tucker Carlson seriously. He's been around these circles for a very long time. Clearly a very smart dude, known about this subject for a very long time. I don't think he's going to go all the way. Dan is the type of guy that will go all the way. I wasn't really sure about Casey Putsch, but I didn't have any problems with him overall.
@ehsanjoarderIt seemed like what he was doing was genuine. And the fact that Nick did what he did and, like... Utilized his bully platform to say I'm better than you and you know, you're not gonna get my support And I think he did the same thing to Arvall who look some of these characters are gonna be they have their own idiosyncrasies You know, I think one of the things that led Lucas Gage off the rails was the fact that Nick never He never requited their friendship.
@ehsanjoarderHe tried so hard to be friends with Nick and it never it never happened and this is the other secondary problem with Nick other than the you know the the hidden stuff that we don't all see and i don't want to allege anything that i don't have exact full evidence of but we can all kind of make the sniff test and be like you know smells a little alphabet like
@ehsanjoarderSo anyway, long story short, yeah, I've been saying this for a while, but I wanted people to come to their own conclusion. I'm glad Dan has come to this conclusion. I hope he doesn't take it back and do whatever in the name because this kid jumps back and forth. He's not even a kid anymore. He's almost 30. Back and forth on so many issues because it's really not about holding a specific point and a hammering.
@ehsanjoarderAnd sticking to a specific point, it's more about manipulating the situation for one's self-interest. And that's why there's no long-term sticky power outside of the analysis and getting paid for the analysis, right? And there's many other people that don't like, you know, if you guys go on a Jake Shields podcast, go to Fight Back podcast on YouTube.
@ehsanjoarderMy friend just walked in there, you know, completely on scratch. His name is Jonathan Azazaya. You watch that episode, look in the comment section. You don't even, before you even watch the episode, look in the comment section, Jonathan Azazaya's episode. And you'll see, this is what it really looks like when you have a strong understanding of the subject and you're not in it for yourself and you're just here to offer information.
@ehsanjoarderIt's that level. And that's the level of the people that I work with. And that's why I was never impressed with Fuentes, although many people were because they were new to the subject and, you know, he was very good. And by the way, if you look at the timeline Kanye kicked in the door before Fuentes did anything publicly on this subject besides making a cookie monster joke.
@ehsanjoarderHe never did anything on the subject. In fact, if you go back in my timeline on Twitter from like, I don't know, I don't know, many, many, many years ago, you'll see me being like, hey, man, let's talk about it. Why are you not going there? Why are you not going there? I mean, he finally said Israel did nine 11 when, when he was still banned off of Twitter and he was trying to get back in like, I think, uh, August, September of 23.
@ehsanjoarderSo, and again, where did he get that information? Because nine 11 missing links is the only proper film that put that out. I know Ryan Dawson did some work on it, but the film you want to go to is the film that I wrote way back in 2007 and eight called nine 11 missing links. If you want to learn about the Israelis and Jews involved with nine 11.
@ehsanjoarderSo anyway, we're winning. And these types of people are going down. And the reason they're going down is because God's involved in this. Everybody has to understand this. So the bad actors are going to get exposed, and they're going to get exposed to you on an individual level. You're going to pick up the nuances like I did with the assassination attempt.
@ehsanjoarderI haven't heard too many people even say that the assassination attempt on Nick was fake as fuck. I mean, I was telling everybody privately that's what it looks like, but I don't say these things publicly because we have to win a longer-term battle, and I'm just one important individual that has to keep my public mouth very clean.
@ehsanjoarderBut anyway, I wanted to give you guys that backdrop because... Because God's involved, the people who are closer to God, and this is why I keep emphasizing, develop your personal relationship with the creator. It doesn't have to be organized religion. You can come up with your own shit if you want, but there is a creator and you can commune with him.
@ehsanjoarderSo please do so. And you will see that it will elevate your ability to not only detect what's happening, but utilize the unique skill sets that he gave you to put them to good use. And that's why I decided to get on the mic and talk to Mr. Force. So I could connect with him because he mentioned doing a United Party. We've kind of already created it.
@ehsanjoarderI wanted to get everyone's perspective on that conference that people just witnessed with Amy Dangerfield and I think Anna Kasparian. These are all good ideas. And the more we do them and the more we come together on the subject, not just across the right-left divide, but across the man-woman divide, across the racist divide, the Christian-Muslim divide, it's really going to help.
@ehsanjoarderbring so much pressure to bear on the tribe that not only will we dismantle israel in the next um two to three years god willing but we can have the tribe on the run globally and ultimately um dissolve the rothschild empire for good sir i just want to say that what you just said was some of the most brilliant stuff i've heard in a long time
@nietzsche258918So I just want to say you're a very, like, aware, awesome, like, that was, hey, 9-11, first of all, oh, man, yeah, come on, Lucky Larry. Like, we can go through the list. Odigo, Lucky Larry. I'm going to start posting stuff on the Purple Pill to back up what you said about 9-11. But, sir, what you just said about a spiritual war, it's God.
@nietzsche258918Yeah. Look at the Pharaoh. Remember, you go back. The Seal of Solomon, that's the logo that's on the Israel flag. That's a demon-summoning sigil that the Rothschilds put there. You can look up Seal of Solomon. It's on the Alistair Crowley. He called himself 666 the Beast. It's on his book called Lesser Key of Solomon. It's about summoning demons.
@nietzsche258918And that's the logo that's on the Israel flag. And that's why Jacob Rothschild stood in front of the painting Satan Summoning His Legions in 2019 with that witch, the satanic witch, Marina Abramovich. And that was a few months after their virologist, the Epstein virologist, Nathan Wolfe, hit us with COVID. Every said meet up to plot.
@nietzsche258918That's what they were plotting. There's nothing else they were plotting in 2012 besides COVID. And sir, look at Elon. How did Elon Musk respond to Trump's assassination attempt and to Charlie Kirk's assassination? He responded by going with the DOD narrative. You know why? He's the top DOD contractor. I just made this connection tonight.
@nietzsche258918Elon Musk acquired Twitter in 2022. That's when we have the two weird tweets. right after that, right after the board approves it, from the two weird accounts. One of them's got like a Pepe. He loves the Pepe Keck shit. I don't know what Musk, like he always promotes that as if he's like a rebel or something. Of course, he's complete New World Order.
@nietzsche258918When I exposed his mom as a obvious Illuminati witch, I'll post the graphic too there. She was in Beyonce's music video called Haunted, mocking Jesus Christ on the cross. When I exposed her as a witch, just like Tucker, I had one of these demons approach me, and then I just asked Jesus to get rid of it, and he did. He zapped it.
@nietzsche258918and evaporated. So that's how I know it's a spiritual battle. And Tucker did the same thing, and that's how he got rid of the one that actually left a mark on him when he started going against Israel. You know why? Because when you go against Israel, look at Yitz. You see Yitz's profile? That's called the Seal of Solomon, the demon-summoning sigil that Yitz has on his profile picture.
@nietzsche258918So we're up against literally demonic... And demonic empire. Here's the thing, too. There's 25,000-year cycles. So Paramahansa Yogananda, right? He talked about Jesus, too. They all revere Jesus. So did Tesla's friend, Walter Russell. They all said Jesus is God. So they, and his guy, his guru, Ushwar, talks about the 25,000-year cycle, right?
@nietzsche258918Goes to Atlantis 12,000 years ago. That's the spiritual. It's 12,000-year cycles ascending, descending.
Speaker 9You're writing a little too YouTube-y, bro. Sorry, all right. But anyways, yeah, let's get... This is just like, you got to watch less YouTube. You got to like... Oh, absolutely.
@nietzsche258918Oh, sorry. But, yeah, back to your point, though. Yeah, everything you said in 9-11 and everything. But that's why, like, when Elon Musk uses Twitter to forecast the Cole Allen, he has a random account that says Cole Allen. I posted the infographic. You can see it, right? Right after he takes over Twitter, April 2022, does the Cole Allen weird post.
@nietzsche258918What was the one that just happened? Hansa virus, right? Somebody made a weird post that said 2022 or 2023 they knew coronavirus ended, right? And then 2024. Yeah. Dude, so, whoa, what are you talking about? Musk, whoa.
Speaker 9Who's the top deal?
@nietzsche258918Okay, do you understand? Okay, here's the other thing. How about this? Elon Musk's girlfriend, right? She's a witch. She wears shirts that say, she said she practices witchcraft and the rosary melted in her hands. Her name's Grimes. So, on September 4th, on September 4th, 2019, she made a post. She made a post. She called it a prophecy tablet on Instagram.
@nietzsche258918You know what it had? It was a timeline post. It said right after her and IO, who put 666 everywhere, right after they released violence, that song where she's wearing a COVID mask on September 4th, 2019. Guess what happened eight days later? Wuhan lab deleted their sequences, went under military lockdown, and COVID began September 2019, eight days later.
Speaker 11Let me just make this point, my friend.
@nietzsche258918How about that?
Speaker 11Whenever we talk about something satanic or, I don't know, demonic, just remember this. It doesn't have to be so conspiratorial. You know, Evil is the absence of... Yeah, man! Hold on. Evil is the absence of good in the same...
Speaker 9Evil is the absence of... Can I finish? No, you have a retard trying to talk over you, David.
@nietzsche258918That's you, sir. That's an effeminate, slow-talking person who just talked. Who just talked to you, David.
Speaker 9I'm going to fucking rape and kill you, the four of you.
Speaker 12Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa! Easy there, sir!
Ian MalcolmHere, David, I brought up as co-host, so I can now mute everyone else, and we can let David speak in peace. And, Con, I'll send you a co-host invite if you want as well. And then we'll go through some final hands, including Paul and Yitz, and then we will close out the space. But I do want to make sure that we have... We just made the threat.
Ian Malcolm...to speak to.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, who's that clown? That was me.
Speaker 9I said I'm going to rape and kill the force.
Ian MalcolmOh, wait a second. You did make a good point, Mr. Locked Icon. You're right. I don't want any of those calls to violence against the force as obnoxious as his intruders have been. David, the floor is yours, my friend.
Speaker 11Well, I would boot someone who made a threat. That's what I would do. So I don't know who it is, but if you have that option, I would.
Ian MalcolmI remove the guy who said that.
Speaker 11Okay, well, I'm sorry on behalf of anybody.
Ian MalcolmForrest, I'm going to unmute you. Thank you.
Speaker 13Oh, God.
Ian MalcolmForrest, if you interrupt David, I'm going to boot you.
Speaker 11Yeah, so I just wanted to make this point. When we talk about something satanic or demonic, just remember that evil is the absence of good in the same way as darkness is the absence of light, which is why being on the side of good and articulating the truth is so powerful. Because just imagine you put one candle, in a completely dark room, and you can see all around.
Speaker 11It's illuminated enough for you to find your way, to see what's in it, discern what is an obstacle and what is a path. So I just, I don't want us to get lost too much in the diabolical conspiracy, which I guess they really do exist, and just remember that we're fighting for that which is good and against that which is evil.
@nietzsche258918So what's your solution, sir? What's your exact solution?
Speaker 11I wasn't really addressing that. I'm just making the point that... Yeah, no kidding. Well, hold on. When we get discursive and we say, oh, this person is making this hand sign or this, that, and the other, you know, it's like, gosh, if they're for mass exterminating people, I'm going to put that way up on the list of what's bad about them.
Speaker 11So what's your solution? Not kind of their hand signal.
Speaker 5Do you not understand what he's saying? What David is trying to say is... You don't have to be dripping in blood, wearing a pentagram to be evil. It can be your neighbor next to you. Okay, great. So what's your solution? So what's your solution? It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Well, there is no solution. The solution is to explain.
Speaker 5No, no, there is a solution. The one I gave. The one I gave. A new party.
Ian Malcolmthird-party third-party the guy that just talked before you who's organizing unity party and he's giving you solutions yes stop saying there's no solution and and con is it and the unity party is a a wonderful suggestion as the pack is a wonderful suggestion we're trying to bring as much attention to these uh... efforts into the candidates as we possibly can uh... including tyler dykes who we spoke with earlier i thought casey push seemed based on what i saw like a really wonderful candidate
Ian MalcolmI think Dan Bilzerian is a wonderful candidate and he's speaking very brashly about these subjects, but I think you have to because there is no middle ground where the mainstream media will tolerate some criticism of Jews in Israel and Jewish supremacy. They are going to label you as an anti-Semite even if you have a conversation with Dan Bilzerian is the right way to think about that.
Ian MalcolmSo you gotta just be indifferent to those claims. You gotta just continue forward. We gotta speak very bluntly about these things. And we've got to lift up the candidates that are willing to discuss them. And Dr. Michael Recktenwald is doing a wonderful job in that endeavor. At least I believe that that's the case. David, anything else that you want to say before we go to Paul?
Speaker 11No, no.
Ian MalcolmOkay. Let's go to Paul, and then we will check in with the one and only Mr. Yitz before we close everything out.
@nietzsche258918All right. What's up, Ian? Can you guys hear me okay? We sure can, my friend. All right, cool. Well, you know, part of the solution is also raising awareness. I was just – I was reading a different post from – well, I won't name drop, but just one of the prominent accounts on this app. And as a response, I said, God, I don't even want to type this all out.
@nietzsche258918So I just did a little verbal back and forth with Grok. But I actually was kind of pleased with how it came out because it – covered a lot of the important points that I think people need to recognize when it comes to APEC and the reason why it's so important to raise awareness of its influence of the engine that it has over our elections, basically.
@nietzsche258918So I did put it in the purple pill there, Ian. And I mean, this is just some of the stuff that I've been saying for a long time. It's nothing new. And most of it, you probably know. But I think what it's good about it is it's got a couple of good bullet points for people to understand. that when you talk about AIPAC, there's a trap with that where they want you to talk about lobbying numbers because those are only about 3 million a year, but it's not about the lobbying numbers.
@nietzsche258918It's about the direct campaign contributions and the loopholes that AIPAC has versus pretty much any other form of interfering in the elections. um in that little conversation with grok it points out the advantages of not being registered under pharah taking advantage of americans uh you know citizens for israel and also it just it's just interesting because it's just a quick thread it's unbiased it does a little bit of me just giving it some quick information so that it applies it to the analysis
@nietzsche258918But when you do it this way, it shows very easily how they use the AIF, which is a 5013 charitable arm of a pack, which also puts in around 60 million a year to educating our congressmen and flying them over to Israel to basically indoctrinate them and how this entire engine mixed with Christians United for Israel, the evangelical movement.
@nietzsche258918I've always said that the biggest problem for Americans, well, it's not really the Jews. It's the one that keeps empowering the Israeli government from over here, which is the radical evangelical movement that we have, or Christian Zionists, as most people refer to them. And this goes into breaking down some of the other groups like NORPAC, the Democratic Majority for Israel, Republican Jewish Coalition, J Street, how it uses all of these things together in conjunction to manipulate anywhere between 65 to, I believe, 80 plus percent of our elections.
@nietzsche258918would probably be all of them but there's some of them they really don't have to put much effort into because they already have no matter what the candidate that they want to get elected and then it also breaks down in that same rock it basically admits who it is that's the biggest supporter of aipac which of course is
@nietzsche258918Jewish American billionaires and philanthropists. This all came out just as facts. This was not me being biased. It was not me directing it in any way. And that's what's good about it is it just gives you the exact information itself. It's pretty easy. It's pretty laid out. And it's just for people who are in this. I think this would be beneficial to anybody who's running for Congress to include in some of their talking points.
@nietzsche258918So if you guys do know... um dan or some other people um i don't know there's some of these talking points i think would be very beneficial for them to highlight that if we really want america first we need to be able to educate the masses on what's going on because this is just it's just corrupt and terrible um we would want our congress to work for us we don't want them to work for any other country it's not it's not even about israel it's about the fact i wouldn't care if this was
@nietzsche258918know china or or qatar or saudi arabia whatever it doesn't matter the point is and as it says in that grok as well i ask it is there any other country that has this kind of access or influence in our political system and the answer is clearly no and it says it's not even close The last question was simply a Catholic one that I threw in simply because the person who did the post used a Catholic example that, oh, you know, then we shouldn't.
@nietzsche258918Something about Catholics in the Vatican. And it's just so funny when you read the answer of how little influence in our politics that the Catholic Church actually has. And that part speaks for itself. So just a little interesting there, Ian. Maybe you would be interested in going over a little bit. I'm sure you knew most of it, but who knows?
@nietzsche258918Maybe even I can highlight a little point for you on the AIPAC argument because it is something I've spent a lot of time.
Ian Malcolmuh looking up so i just wanted to share it with you no i love that my friend and um go for it i'm sorry i i don't mean to be interrupting anyone well uh hey i just wanted to respond to the guy who said he's gonna rape and kill me whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa okay we booted him for a reason okay so don't respond yeah yeah yeah and um
Ian MalcolmMan, this is some very interesting characters in this space. That is for sure.
Speaker 11Let's hear from Yitz.
Ian MalcolmYeah, we will hear from Yitz. I just want to thank Paul, though, for those comments, first and foremost. I looked for them in the Purple Pill. I didn't see them, so I went to your page, looked at the replies, didn't see them. If you could DM those to me, Paul, I'll send you a note right now and would welcome that, my friend.
Ian MalcolmAlways open, and there's always infinite numbers of things that I have overlooked in the past, so happy to field those. Yeah. So here's what we're going to do. We are going to take the space down a very curious path. We are going to get the impressions that the one and only Yitz has on what is going on with Dan Bilzerian and Nick Fuentes.
Ian MalcolmBut to make it a little bit of humor, Yitz, if you had to score Dan Bilzerian and Nick Fuentes on their anti-Semitism in a 1 to 10 fashion, and yes, you can use decimals, Where are the two of those individuals in your assertion?
Speaker 14All right. So they both scored the highest rating possible. And I am of the complete belief that someone like Nick Fuentes and Dan Bazarian, they would love to do terrible things. They would love to commit a second sower. We know this. They're going to say they're just trolling. They're going to say that they're just being edgy, that they don't mean it, that they're cracking jokes, whatever, whatever, et cetera.
Speaker 14But we know what they would do if they have power.
Speaker 11What have they ever said that makes you think that?
Speaker 14It's implied. You can read between the lines. What have they ever implied?
Speaker 11How have they implied it?
Speaker 14I was Dan implied that. This is why the quote from Apocalypse Now, I love the smell of anti-Semitic civil war in the morning.
Speaker 11Hold on. Hold on. We're not talking about smells. I'm asking you a direct question. How, my friend, has Dan implied that he wants to do harm? Help me out here.
Speaker 14Listen to the way they talk. It's obvious. The way they talk.
Speaker 11You're talking in a circle, right? You're not giving. That's tautological. You're saying that how they did it is the way he talks. Yes. I assume that he didn't do it with hand signals. So tell me how. How is it that he talked that makes you think that? How did he talk that makes you arrive at that conclusion?
Speaker 14Just listen to the garbage that comes out of their mouth. It's obvious.
Speaker 11You keep talking.
Speaker 14This is why I am going to enjoy the...
Speaker 11Hold on, hold on, hold on. What garbage... Notice I keep having to ask you the same question. Pretend that you care about the truth, okay? So what garbage came out of his mouth that makes you arrive at the conclusion that you just expressed?
Speaker 11I don't know.
Ian MalcolmIt might be the double mute, yeah. Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 14Yes, I would appreciate if the muting would stop. That's number one.
Ian MalcolmThe muting may continue until the morale improves.
Speaker 14They are Holocaust deniers. Wait, aren't you a Holocaust denier?
Speaker 11You deny the Holocaust that you perpetrated in Russia, right? You killed 40 million Christians, right? Your tribe. And you deny that Holocaust, right? Do you still deny it? Because you've always denied the Holocaust.
Speaker 14Wasn't it interesting how Paul referred to everyone as the masses? This is what they think of you. You all think these are American force. These are China force. Paul's Catholic.
Speaker 11He believes you have the divine force.
Speaker 14Iran force. They're not America force. They refer to everyone in the audience as the masses. They don't even care about anyone.
Speaker 11Yes, yes. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to imagine a rational person and try to mimic that person's behavior, okay? So just follow a line of thinking. All right, work with me here. We're friends, right? So follow a line of thinking.
Speaker 14No, we're not.
Speaker 11No, we're not. We can't. We can be. We can be. So, I believe you have the divine spark. Maybe you don't think that of me. So, my question for you is, what specifically... You said that you're obviously a Holocaust denier. You deny the Holocaust that you perpetrated in Russia. But you... Hold on. But you did say that Dan is a Holocaust denier or thinks that it's less people or whatever.
Speaker 11I don't really care about that. But the point is... Of course you don't care. Hold on. It's... Even if he is, even if he is your definition of denying that, tell me how he is openly called for the violence against anybody, including people that you identify with. Tell me how he's done that.
Speaker 14Yes, yes, it's simple. He said about a month and a half ago, I believe, he said that he wants to kill anyone who has been in the IDF, and that includes all Israelis and reservists. Those who are not in uniform at the moment, but since they were in the IDF, therefore they deserve to die. That is literally what he said. The good news is all of you haters are the minority and you won't succeed.
Speaker 14By the way, since you all hate X...
Speaker 11Hold on. Wait a second. Wait a second. Now, you think it's wrong to call for the killing of citizens or anybody that is not in military... wearing military clothes, right? You basically believe that that it's a war crime to kill innocent people, women, and children, right? But he's running against someone, the only person this century in American politics that has openly called for the mass extermination.
Speaker 11He literally said, wipe them all out. All of them. This guy is an absolute genocidal lunatic. And if he'd ever stop eating between snacks and read what he says himself, maybe he would be absolutely terrified. Mortified if he has a soul. He actually called for the genocide. He said wipe them all out.
Speaker 14Hamas. I can call 100%. He said all of them. No we didn't contact.
Speaker 11We have the copies right here on X. Of his posts. He literally called for the genocide. Of all of them. And by the way.
Ian MalcolmRead off the lines. So in reference to the Palestinians. Kill. Period. Them. period, all, period, hashtag no mercy, hashtag bombs away. That was Randy Fine. He then said, again, this is Randy Fine. This is not me saying any of these things. I would not say this about any group of people for what it's worth. Quote, Randy Fine, there is no suffering adequate for these animals.
Ian MalcolmMay the streets of Gaza overflow with blood, end quote. Here's the third one. Gaza must be destroyed, end quote. Those are three direct quotes on Twitter. Now, I don't know what he said off of Twitter or in interviews, but those are three direct quotes. And there are certainly immense amounts of civilians in Gaza. And when he is saying them all, he's not referring to Hamas.
Ian MalcolmHe's referring to the Palestinian people. So can we just be reasonably honest? And can you just acknowledge that Randy Fine publicly on Twitter, a fat Jewish politician, did in fact call for literal genocide. Can you agree to that?
Speaker 14Yeah. No one has, hardly anyone has been killed in Gaza. This is just the biggest...
Ian MalcolmDodge.
Speaker 14This is the biggest nonsense. He just literally just dodged the question. Total nonsense.
Ian MalcolmHang on. No, no, no. Yes, we're going to pause you for a second. And I'll unpause so you don't get the long, triple, double mute, right? So... whether you believe that people died in Gaza or not is indifferent to the question that I'm asking you. Randy Fine clearly openly advocated for genocide on Twitter, a fat Jewish politician.
Ian MalcolmCan you acknowledge, regardless of what you think happened in Gaza, can you acknowledge that a fat Jewish politician publicly advocated for genocide?
Speaker 14He absolutely did not, and everyone here knows it. Here's my final question to you. If Elon Musk is controlled opposition or whatever, and the X is so terrible, why don't you all leave for Gab? Go to Gab. Go to Gab, and I'll tell you why you don't, because it's like Junior. The money is too much. $11,000 a month, $8,000, whatever it is.
Speaker 14None of us are getting any money. None of us are monetized, buddy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5You must make a lot more for that. knowledge.
Speaker 14You're all monetized and you're making a ton of money.
Ian MalcolmYou complain about X, but you never leave. If I wanted to make money, I could just mirror the posts of Emily Austin and apparently get paid $7,000 a month. Why would I not do that if my intent was monetization?
Speaker 14$7,000 is another laughing stock. No one is paid. There's a lot of money in anti-Semitism. That's why I talked to him. Why? Why is there so much money in anti-Semitism?
Speaker 14Why? Well, there's far more money in anti-Gentilism, otherwise you wouldn't have the mainstream media. Because they were told it. That's why. Because they were told it.
Ian MalcolmHang on. Khan actually has presented a very curious little point here. So, if there is money to be made in anti-Semitism, what would that say of the supply and demand for anti-Semitism?
Speaker 14It's low IQ people. You know, they're There are losers in their own lives and there are losers on the internet. What can I say?
@ehsanjoarderSo they only hate Jews though? All the losers only hate Jews? Why don't they hate other people?
Speaker 14Yeah. They want to pick, we've been picked on for 1900 years.
@ehsanjoarderBlack people do a lot of crimes. There's all kinds of things you could point out with a lot of people. Why are they Jews?
Speaker 14Because we are disproportionately successful, and the Torah says that we're chosen, not in a special sense, not because we are genetically superior. And so you flip out about it. It's simple.
@nietzsche258918No, because the Rothschilds fund everything you do and every one of you.
Speaker 14Oh, God. The Rothschilds.
Ian MalcolmIan, can I ask Yitz a question? Of course. One question and then I have to go. I love the energy. It's a good balance to some of the other speakers.
Speaker 15Real quick, Ian, can I say something to Yitz? Because I think it's laughable when Yitz is saying that you make money with being anti-Semitic. I think it is the complete opposite. No, actually, Yitz, I think if you want to be anti-Semitic, You make absolutely zero money. And if anything, your entire life will be shut down.
Speaker 15They will freeze your bank accounts. They will hunt you. They will try to get you fired.
Speaker 15I've been listening, actually, sitting back here listening to you. You know, you're making a really strong point today. You really are just showing everybody that you really are. You guys sit in rooms. I listen to you guys as Jewish rooms. And let me tell you something. You guys complain about the National Socialists. When I listen to all you Jews sitting in one room together, you guys don't sound any different than all the other people when they're complaining about another side.
Speaker 15No, sincerely. I sit there, I listen for hours and hours. You guys complain just like everybody else complains. You guys complain just like the other side is complaining, and maybe even worse.
Speaker 14So, yeah, because because there was no there was no antithetical.
Speaker 15See, everyone's life is you guys actually sound like national socialists, not like us, but you actually sound like national socialists. When you talk about your country and when you talk about yourselves and your people and all that stuff, because you guys are not any different. You might think you are, but you are not.
Speaker 15We're not haters like you.
Speaker 14We don't hate one group of people like you.
Ian MalcolmTo Wolf's point, when it comes to Netanyahu, who says that he is taking war to the Middle East to protect his people, he's building walls around his nation to protect the homogenous nature of those people. He's trying to put the interests of those people above and beyond anything else, both on the national and international front.
Ian MalcolmIs that actually all that much different than the ideology that you would label on Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists?
Speaker 14Yes, completely opposite. Can you give us a bullet somewhere that's drastically different?
Speaker 14Hitler initiated a second world war. It's just apples and oranges. It has nothing to do with what he'd be doing. Israel is not an ethno-state. It's not an ethno-state? We have 21% Arabs, 2 million Arabs. And if you discuss about war, Ian, Israel has grown about 3%, quote-unquote, was the yellow line in both Lebanon and Gaza.
Speaker 14It's just laughable, 3.5% something. And once we signed a peace treaty with Jordan and Egypt, we never attacked them again. And not that we ever did. They were the ones who attacked us. But you get the point. The whole idea, the whole claim of it is just nonsensical from the get-go.
@nietzsche258918Why did Britain invade Palestine in 1917?
Speaker 14And then what's the British mandate? What's the British mandate? Yeah, the British wanted to be in charge of the whole territory for themselves. They wanted Haifa port for themselves, control of the Suez Canal. They really had no interest in creating a Zionist state. That's why they supported the Arabs, because the Arabs, they were more interested in having a unification with Syria.
Speaker 14The Arabs at the time didn't care about independence.
@ehsanjoarderSo we bombed the King David Hotel.
Speaker 9Zionists are nationalists.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, it's actually the Rothschild family bailed out the Bank of England in 1825, and that means they took over Britain because they had the gold. Britain ran out of gold. So they've owned Britain since 1825. What happened is in 1917, Lord Rothschild said, hey, Britain, we've owned you since 1825. You're going to go invade Palestine, and then you're going to do the British Mandate where you're going to bring in 500,000 Eastern Europeans who aren't even Semitic.
@nietzsche258918And you're going to bring them in and replace the Semitic Palestinians and kill them and ethnically cleanse them and genocide them and take them over. And you know what? That's exactly what the Rothschilds did.
Speaker 14I would just respond, number one, that the Buddhists completely abandoned us. So like what? Did the Rothschilds abandon their project? That's number one. Historically, the Buddhists completely backed the Arabs. John Bagot Globe trained the Jordanian Legion. And number two, I would add that even if you're right about Ashkenazim and you're not, why DNA is full of haplotypes from the Levant, but even if you were right, please explain to me 45% of Israelis who happen to be Mizrakim, who are not, you would never confuse them with an Italian or Greek, for example, if they didn't don a kippah on their head.
Speaker 14Please explain that. But I also wanted to see what Paul wanted to ask. I believe Paul had a question, and then I do have to run.
@nietzsche258918Okay, sir, I'll just address real quick what you asked.
Ian MalcolmHang on, hang on. Let's go to Paul for the question, and then we'll let Yitz go.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, because Yitz, you know, I'm trying to get a little, you know, I'm trying not to judge you. And something that's a little disturbing for me to hear from you, because I hear you in a lot of spaces, is we just shared with you, and I want to ask you, do you agree with the quote that they should kill them all in regards to the Palestinians and the conflict with Gaza and with Israel?
@nietzsche258918Do you agree with that statement?
Speaker 14He was talking about Hamas. In terms of Hamas, I agree completely. Okay, so you think that... And even then, the Nakba terrorists that we captured are going to be on trial for a failed trial with Israeli lawyers. That's what Israel is. We don't execute those we captured. We give them a trial.
@nietzsche258918I got two more questions for you. One then is just in case no one was aware. Do you think it's acceptable in you in get going after Hamas to have a two to one death ratio civilian to militants?
Speaker 14It's a one-to-one ratio in Iraq.
@nietzsche258918No, all the independent numbers, all the independent numbers, the IDF has actually acknowledged themselves the 71,000 death count. And they say that the Hamas militants were anywhere between 22,000 and 28,000. My source is the IDF. I'm not even using the ministry of Hamas. I'm not using the ministry of health from Hamas.
@nietzsche258918The IDF has acknowledged those numbers because I think the estimates are actually way higher than this. So I'm willing to entertain. these numbers right now in this conversation with you when i'm asking you do you think that a two to one civilian rate is is is proper according to torah's teachings because i heard you bring up torah and i know that a tooth for a tooth in leviticus literally calls for equal you know retribution right it says i have it right here in front of me when a man causes disfigurement in his neighbor as he has done it shall be done to him fracture for fracture eye for eye tooth for tooth as he has that that was a metaphor
Speaker 14That was a metaphor.
@nietzsche258918No, oh, really? Because it says right here, you shall have... No, no, no. You said it's a metaphor, but it says, as he has disfigured a man, he shall be disfigured.
Speaker 14You can't...
@nietzsche258918He who kills a man shall be put to death.
Speaker 14You're telling me that's not... You can't replicate a damage to another eye. If someone poked out someone's eye, you can't replicate that damage. It was clearly about compensation, monetary compensation. In terms of civilian ratios, I believe it was one-to-one. And, you know, I would just throw back at you, the Al-Mawassi humanitarian zone was never bombed, for example.
Speaker 14And about 600,000 Gazan children were vaccinated for polio during the conflict. And so how would you explain that?
@nietzsche258918I'm not sure your reasoning there yet. I mean, considering that more than half the population of the Palestinians is women and children and in those casualties is sadly a lot of women and children, not militants, not not men of military age either. Not even, you know, I mean, we're talking about a disturbing amount of babies that happen.
@nietzsche258918Why is it that they why is it that it just can't be acknowledged that the retribution exceeded any? acceptance of morality like this goes beyond anything that that was taught by god in the old testament who actually told you to leave vengeance to him it says that in the old testament in the torah that's not just a new testament um verse literally your torah says to leave vengeance to gods at what point have you defended your country to where now you should leave justice and vengeance to the lord and try to live peaceably with your neighbor
Speaker 14Yes. I mean, according to Hamas' own stats, about less than 3% of the population has perished, even though the IAF dropped the equivalent of two atomic bombs upon Gaza. So, so much destruction. The equivalent of two atomic bombs, and yet less than 3% of the population was killed. Hamas also reported about 50,000 births, babies being born.
Speaker 14Tell me something.
Speaker 11Do you agree with his statement, with Randy Fine's statement, Gaza must be destroyed?
Speaker 14Hamas must be destroyed. No, no, no.
Speaker 11He literally said, he posted this out, G-A-Z-A. You ever heard of Gaza? He meant Hamas. No, no, no. Okay. But do you agree with the statement, Gaza must be destroyed? Do you condemn that?
Speaker 14I understand. No, no, hold on. So you can't condemn it.
Speaker 11See, look, hold on. I just want, listen, this is a waste of time, but I want everybody else to hear this. So this is the same person when I asked if America would ever go to war with Israel, would you take America's side? And he wouldn't answer. He wouldn't answer that question. And now, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 11No, no, no. Look, this is the point. The truth is the enemy of these people. Hold on, hold on. You can go now, by the way. The truth is the enemy of these people. They don't care about the truth. This is why censorship is so important. This is why assassination is so important. Hold on. This is why assassination is so important to these people.
Speaker 11It's because there is nothing about truth that appeals to them. Why? Because they have outgrouped psychopathy. He's literally refusing to condemn. And by the way, I would condemn it if someone said it in reverse. If someone, and you've heard me do it before, someone says, we should just wipe these people out. No, I do not agree with that.
Speaker 11Because there are innocent people of all faiths, including Jewish faith. And so this idea that Randy Fine said, Gaza must be destroyed. If you ask Yitz... To condemn that, obviously, horrible. That's one of the most horrible things that any politician has said in America in the history of our country, and he won't. Our genocidal, Holocaust-denying, anti-Semitic friend here says, no, we can exterminate you.
Speaker 11We will never denounce our extermination. We're killing all the Semites, and so we're definitely anti-Semitic. We're the most anti-Semitic country in the world, and we'll never back down from this. And if you make me choose, between America and Israel going to war, I will never make that choice. And by the way, this stupidly, the ridiculous claim is, well, that's just untenable because they would never ever, there'd never be daylight between Israel and America.
Speaker 11It's just impossible. We founded a revolution in America against people that were veritably identical to us. We fought a revolution against people who didn't think that Jesus was burning in a vat of his own excrement in hell. people that shared our values a thousand times more, people that didn't think that child rape of the goyim was okay, that didn't have in their doctrinal stance from a religious point of view that you have to lie to everybody that's not your faith, that you can undermine them, cheat them, steal them, murder them.
Speaker 11We didn't fight a revolution against people that felt like that. We fought a revolution that was essentially fratricidal. And our friend here says, no, no, no. I would never choose America over Israel, and I'm going to use it by any means necessary. Remember who came up with that phrase, by any means necessary. I am never going to have that conversation.
Speaker 11I'm going to avoid it. And now he won't denounce someone who says the words Gaza must be destroyed. In fact, I didn't even ask him to denounce the person. I asked him just to denounce the statement. Gaza must be destroyed. Can't do it. Hold on. Hold on. Can't do it. Can't do it.
Speaker 15David, you've got to remember something. The Koch Party was announced a terrorist organization in the 1980s. Hang on, Yitz. Hang on, Yitz. You can't even say no to anything. You just want to talk around the flower. The Koch Party was announced a terrorist organization by the American government in the 1980s. Who are these people that were in the Koch party?
Speaker 15I'll tell you who they are. They are national Zionists that are now running the Israeli state, which is a Zionist state, which they are not Judeas. They don't believe in Judaism. They believe in Zionism. There's a division going on between Orthodox Jews and Zionist Jews because these are actual terrorists. You guys, you just heard it because when I talked about nationalism,
Speaker 15nationalistic views and national socialism and you denounce what ian was asking you it's like no you have a party that is living on since the 1970s and 80s now in power of israel and you can't denounce you can't even deny it i have evidence i have videos i post them i post videos every week i have so much evidence of how these people are talking you can't even denounce it you can't even say no that's not true because it's on 4k these people that are running your government are literally promoting this kind of hateful conduct and thinking it's funny so yeah good luck brother because yeah we are the bad guys we are quote unquote anti-semitic you're the israeli exporting
Speaker 15But the real bad people are the ones that are laughing at other people being murdered. I'm not that kind of guy. I don't laugh at that kind of stuff. I just call it out. Yet I'm being labeled. I try with you. I try with you. But, you know, bro, nah, dude. You're just another one of those guys, man.
Speaker 11And, you know, we can see it in the Epstein files, right? In the Epstein files, it's just a bunch of yitzes. It's just people that absolutely... Holocaust deniers, yes, the mass extermination. They laugh at the mass extermination. Hold on, hold on. They laugh at the mass extermination. They celebrate the rape of children.
Speaker 11And why? All of it ends up in the same place. We're better than you. You're not human. We can lie to you. We can cheat to you. We can mass exterminate you. And we'll never apologize ever. Whenever is one of them. I just literally ask yes. I just literally ask yes. just to deny the legitimacy of Gaza must be destroyed. I didn't ask him to say Randy Fine, because he's never going to do that.
Speaker 11Randy Swine is his buddy. He doesn't matter. Hey, if he's pro-genocide, ride or die with Randy Swine. That's what he said. But I just asked him to denounce the term, denounce the statement, Gaza must be destroyed.
Speaker 15Yeah, but David, you know what's crazy? When you and I talk about this, guess what? Every time you can talk about kids being murdered, you can talk about all kinds of evidence.
Speaker 11Oops, I'm sorry. Double mute. Go ahead. Keep going. Did I lose you, Wolf?
@nietzsche258918Hold on, Wolf. If I could just give one recommendation to you real quick before you go, and that's this, man. The things that you've just said and the way you've responded, this is the reason why Israel's PR and their approval rating with the masses is at an all-time low. It's very easy for you to say, if I was in your shoes, just to respond and say, you know what, if he meant all of Gaza, that would be wrong.
@nietzsche258918If he meant Hamas, I can agree with that statement. At least that would make you look a little more like, okay, you just want him to take out the militants.
Speaker 14I do agree with that, Paul.
@nietzsche258918Right. But you need to learn that that would show a little humanity behind your answer, because when you ignore the question that David's presenting you or the way that I'm speaking to you, I'm not speaking to you disrespectfully. You know, I love the Jewish people and the Israelis. I want peace for all peoples. You know me.
@nietzsche258918You've seen me in these conversations. I'm consistent with this stance. So I'm just trying to help you moving forward that some of these questions people just want to hear. Look, man, that you're compassionate to the fact you're so passionate about the thousand Israelis that died. And even if it is one-to-one, right, even if it was just 20,000 Palestinians, with most of them being women and children, doesn't that make us all sad?
@nietzsche258918The fact that innocence has perished at such a high amount. And look, it's all over the world. It's not just Israel. Obviously, we could go on. There's persecution in Africa. There's Christians in Nigeria. I get all that. But the only reason why Americans care about this subject is because our weapons... Well, it's because our money, our weapons, our politicians.
Speaker 14No Jews, no news.
@nietzsche258918No, it's not about the Jews. It's for Americans. The reason why it matters is because our politicians are the ones that are selling our weapons and our resources. And the evangelical movement is literally sending money to the Israeli settlers and many others in that area. There's a lot of money that comes from our country directly to Israel and not in those other countries.
@nietzsche258918That's why I care as an American, because I don't see the priority being on the United States. And when I look and see where the priority is, it just happens to be for a country somewhere else in the world.
Speaker 11You know, Paul, I always say that you don't have to agree with someone else, but the baseline of a rational person is you can articulate the person's argument back to them. Steel man the argument. You know, Hitchlap likes to talk about that, and he does it very well. And the fact that you just said it right. Like, if any country, and many countries do these sorts of things, if any country was doing this, and my country was paying for it all,
Speaker 11I would be very offended by that. It wouldn't matter which country. You know, I'm Scottish. I don't want my country to give any money to Scotland, irrespective of the fact they weren't doing this. But if they were doing this, I would be way more offended. If Scotland were committing a genocide right now in Ireland and the US were subsidizing it, I would be very, very unhappy about that.
Speaker 11And also, if someone asked me, if I'm sure someone that... is on the right side or libertarian side, has said something horrible. And if Yitzir said, this person said that, if they meant it this way, would you denounce it? I'd be like, yes, absolutely. Yeah, I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a wrong thing to say.
Speaker 11Or, for instance, when someone came in earlier and said, I'm going to do this or we should do this. By the way, I have people say that in spaces that I'm in where they're saying, We should just, all of them, we should do this. I'm like, no, no, that's not true. You're wrong about this. Remember, our Jewish brothers and sisters might agree with us.
Speaker 11There's no such thing as transmigration of guilt. But no, we don't have that here. And the one difference that you and I have, Paul, is shame is the last vestige of virtue. It's the light in you that tells you to turn back. This is a genocide supporter. Yitzhir absolutely is committed. He's a Holocaust denier. He is absolutely for the mass extermination of Semites.
Speaker 11There is no coming back. The Epstein class are his buddies. He views truth as his enemy. When you practice out-group psychopathy, when you're a member of that, when you think that your sole purpose, when you identify with a group whose modus operandi is to undermine whatever civilization they're in, to deracinate its morals, and basically to attack its liberality, its kindness, its generosity, its spirit, its equanimity, its peace, its love for peace and innocence,
Speaker 11When they attack all of those things, then there's no coming back from that. There's just a point where there is no turning back. The soul is gone. And that's why it's just a giant word game.
Speaker 11That's why when I say, can you just denounce the idea that Gaza, that we should destroy Gaza? Can you denounce? No, can't denounce that idea. Like what? I would denounce that idea about Israel. I'm sorry, but I don't want to hear a bunch of innocent civilians, little kids getting killed. And this is someone who's saying, no, I can't denounce that idea.
Speaker 11It's like, where's your soul? The answer is completely and utterly gone.
Speaker 14There's nothing left. I denounce any civilian deaths.
Speaker 11Do you denounce the term? Do you denounce the sentence, Gaza must be destroyed?
Speaker 14Do you denounce that sentence? Of course. Okay, good.
Speaker 11Well, guess what? Randy Fine said that. Randy Fine said that.
Speaker 14Then if he really did say there was a mistake, I think he meant him off. But apparently... How do you know that? I don't know that. That's true. I don't know that. There you go. I thought it would be clear.
Ian MalcolmI just want to take a pause. And I won't even use the emoji. Instead, wait, wait, wait. Let me make sure I do the wide spectrum. There you go. Yes. You did it. You condemned genocide. I am absolutely astonished. And look. Why would you be?
Speaker 14Any good person would denounce genocide.
Ian MalcolmThis is a big moment yet we're having a breakthrough.
Speaker 14Well, thank God. It's not a breakthrough. I mean, any decent person would deny. We would hate the genocide of any kind.
Speaker 15Don't let go of the record yet. Randy did say that. Real quick, I got kicked off the app, completely blacked out, app shut down. It was really interesting.
Speaker 11That was me because you were being too good. You were too awesome.
Speaker 15You were embarrassing the rest of us. Yeah, just completely gone. It happens a lot. I'm sorry, my friend. I didn't know that happened. One more thing, and then I have to go to bed because I'll be hosting tomorrow morning with Santino. We're going to be co-hosting with Santino at 9 a.m. It's going to be an amazing space.
Speaker 15Real quick, Uh, oh, the problem I have yet. And you know what, man, I really, I don't, I don't hate anyone. And I have, I don't have problems with you, but I do have to call you out on your shit sometimes. Right. And, uh, let me tell you some, you guys always run back to the Holocaust. Do I give a shit about you guys as Holocaust?
Speaker 15No, because you know how many freaking genocides and Holocaust happened in the history of humankind from my people to your people. Yeah. to any kind of people through history. We always have to go back to... It's almost like the point where this is how we're going to get the audience to... It's like a label. When we denounce something, when we talk against anything you guys stand for, you guys go, but you guys are Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites.
Speaker 15Boom. The entire audience is like... oh man, these are bad people. These are Nazis. These are racist. These are the bad guys. These are really bad people. And you label people who questioning the things that nobody else is questioning. And I think it's a strategic move by your entire tribe. I don't know if they raised you guys like this from birth.
Speaker 15It's common sense. Your mom and dad teach you these kind of things. But using the Holocaust in 2026... to still make other people feel bad for you, it's pathetic. It is actually pathetic sometimes.
Speaker 11I would say especially given that he doesn't take responsibility for the Holocaust in Russia. So when you talk about Jewish supremacists killing 40 million people and burning down all the churches, Wolf, then I would say that a Holocaust denier is not going to be your friend when they exploit... the disadvantage of their own people.
Speaker 11It's just not going to happen. Once people deny the Holocaust that happened in Russia that they perpetrated, I'm not going to expect them to join the goodwill team afterwards. What do you think, Wolf?
Speaker 14I have two things. He's not responding, so I'll take his opportunity.
Ian MalcolmHe's not quick enough, so I am on the draw. Here's what we are going to do. Given that We've got Wolf and Santino's face. I see it. We've got Paul's hand up. So we're going to go to Paul and make sure that he gets some additional words here. But then we're going to do is we're going to wrap up the space in advance of going to Paul.
Ian MalcolmAnd then I do want to go back up. I want to go to David. I want to go to Santino. I want to go to Khan. If Santino is available to speak, that is as a opportunity to give a teaser trailer for his face for tomorrow. If not, we can get that from Mr. Wolf, who I think we've got back up here. There we go. Uh, so we'll get those things.
Ian MalcolmBut before we get to any of that, I just want to give a big thank you to Joanne who was in here, uh, co-hosting this space as always. She's absolutely impeccable. Uh, it is a very curious time. There's a lot of things going on. I'm going to recommend unity for everybody and where unity is not possible. What I will advocate for is people to be sensible and I want to give everybody and David, I'm going to tee this one up actually for you.
Ian MalcolmBecause I think this embodies the very absurdity of the logic or lack thereof that I'm noticing in some of this rhetoric coming from Fuentes that perhaps posted or let's say sparked Dan Bilzerian's comments about Nick Fuentes. So here is the relationship. This is in regards to what took place in Ohio. And obviously I came in and I said, I don't understand why the Gropers did not support
Ian MalcolmCasey Putsch, he seemed like a very good candidate. He might not have been perfect. I'm sure everybody's got lots of flaws, but he was far better than Vivek Ramaswamy, who clearly is part of the swamp. So why would you not vote for that individual? That's a better path. The individual on behalf of the Fuentes squad responded, you are seriously effing r-tarded.
Ian MalcolmI'm going to try and be polite with my rhetoric here because of Mossad. You are seriously effing r-tarded. Play out your strategy. Support your GOP candidate that is anti-Zionist. But then they will get waxed in the primary. And then what, big brain? And I responded to them. I said, well, you'd end up with the very solution that Fuentes is now advocating.
Ian MalcolmAt least my path has a chance at a positive outcome. Because after all, the suggestion that Fuentes is making or is pushing forward, is to let the Democrats win because then people are going to move away from Israel or I suppose that is the case. But why would you have to implement that strategy? Oh, that's right. Because you don't have a candidate that they can actually back who is anti Israel.
Ian MalcolmAnd so the reason that I bring this up is because in this post, in this dynamic, you've seen the very lack of logic that I see with so much of the content that's coming out from this group of people and I can't comprehend it. if not for the fact that these individuals are merely swallowing whatever it is that they get from this one person, which is the cult of personality.
Ian MalcolmThat is very dangerous. Everybody should think critically. That's why I love having these conversations with everybody. That's why I love trying to learn from all of you so we can sharpen our ideas. Don't listen to anybody at face value and just plug it into your brain. Question anything that I say, that Nick Fuentes says, that Dan Bilzerian says, that David says, that Khan says, that Wolf says.
Ian MalcolmAll of them. Take all of these things merely as options for you to consider, then chew on them, and then come to a conclusion. And what you'll end up finding is that some of the things that you're plugging in your brain from some of these people that you derive your signals from, well, they're illogical. And when that's the case, ask why that might be.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think then you might understand. why there's friction within this movement. Because there's people that are just not being consistent. So David, back over to you, and then we'll go to Mr. Paul for his hand, and then we'll get some final words from Khan and from Wolf.
Speaker 11You want me to address that? Sure. Nick Fuentes' argument is ludicrous. What he's saying is, choose the wrong side. We're playing 5D chess. Son, you're not even playing 1D checkers. This is ridiculous. You're giving up your morals. His argument is also, we should not pick the losing side. If we do that, how's it going to look when that particular candidate gets waxed by the other candidate?
Speaker 11I had someone actually ask me this on a space and I said, great. So how are you going to feel? I mean, great. You know why? Because I chose the right side. And in the words of Pericles, the great Athenian leader, There's no shame in losing except for the unwillingness to fight. But what does the feckless do? They say, well, I will sacrifice all my principles in order to be on the winning side.
Speaker 11What are you going to say to the mothers of the children that are slain after the borders are opened again, or at least in your state, with the help of the Democrat governor? What are you going to say to them? I'm playing 5D chess. What are you going to say to them? Let's say we all collectively give up our morals and we vote for the most tyrannical left just to show those Republicans.
Speaker 11Okay, so how is it logically? This is a worship of futurity. Camus called it that way. He called communism the same thing. Meaning what you're saying is if we give up all of our morals, then we can do that for a while and arrive at a better future. But how would it be possible to arrive at a better future without your morals?
Speaker 11That's precisely what will make the future better. In ancient Greece, morals was ethos, which means habit. Virtue, I'm sorry, was ethos, which means habit. And if you stop exercising your moral sense, then you become immoral. This was C.S. Lewis's point. You become more or less moral a little bit at a time every day, and you must fight for your virtue, fight for your morality.
Speaker 11And what Nick Fuentes is saying is, no, no, let's give up on all those things to win. Guess who you sound like? You sound like Trump. You sound like Joe Biden. You sound like... Kamala Harris or George W. Bush. That is precisely what we're fighting against. It's just ludicrous. What do you think about that, my friend?
Ian MalcolmNo, I do. I fully agree. And the biggest piece in there, right, is the principles, the values. If you throw those by the wayside, then what difference does it make? And for what it's worth, to your point, if all you're doing is looking for the easy W, well, then go shill for Israel. Go ask Jews for money. Like, let's be really blunt.
Ian MalcolmIf that's how you are going to, let's say, evaluate your success and your time on this earth, well, then go do the easy thing. You have, frankly, no business being a contrarian. That's the entire point of what we're doing is trying to push the massive boulder like Sisyphus up this monumental hill. If you want the easy lift, just go to buy a lift ticket courtesy of billionaire Jew like Miriam Adelson.
Ian MalcolmTake the lift ticket all or the what is it? The chair. Ride it all the way up to the top of the mountain. Watch as we, those that are actually trying to push back on this system, push the boulder up the hill. Enjoy the easy route. Celebrate when you get to the top like you accomplished something. It's meaningless. The only people who would seek that out are the ones that are in this for their own vanity, their own lifestyle, their own narcissism.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm not accusing Nick Fuentes of exclusively acting in that fashion. I think he's a very smart individual. Perhaps there's some argument to be made on his side, but David, I think you did a really beautiful job articulating. And I, I don't understand the only justification. And we had Andy in here who I know watches a lot of his content.
Ian MalcolmAnd he said, well, he was worried that if he put his, his name next to Casey Putsch and he lost that his brand would be diminished. And I think that's ridiculous because the people that I cheer for don't always win. They're the ones that go in, that they compete. in a respectful, in a righteous manner. And I will take that eight days a week over somebody that's a lousy, let's say unrighteous winner.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's really unfortunate that we live in a society where that's even remotely up for debate.
Speaker 11And the choices that we make are relevant to the defense of our soul. You have to make the choice that defends your virtue. You know, the choices, you know, really, we wouldn't have morality except for the context of volition of choice. And so your responsibility is always to choose the right over the wrong, the just over the unjust, the better over the worse.
Speaker 11And I find it curious that Nick Fuentes, doesn't he, Paul, claim to be Catholic? I find it curious that which side would he have chosen? The winning side, the Pharisees, or the losing side, Christ? Because he looked... It looked like losing there, didn't it?
@nietzsche258918You know, he blocked me a long time ago because I... I criticized him as a Catholic, and I said, bro, if you're going to call yourself Catholic, you've got to represent us correctly because people are listening to what you're saying. And that's all I said to him. I didn't even say anything very aggressive, but that was enough for him to block me.
@nietzsche258918So, yeah, these guys are not Catholics. They're Catholics in name only. They do not represent our ideals. They don't listen to our teachings. They don't spread them. I'm okay if you want to go do your thing, but if you want to claim to be Catholic... I'm sorry, but there's a responsibility. And us as Catholics, we're going to call it out if you're not acting in the way that you are.
Speaker 11I can just see him now, you know, in his tiny little body with this rope and writhing his hands going, okay, so Pontius Pilate has all the power right now. And the Pharisees want to turn in Jesus. And so, you know, like we're playing the long game here. So we'll side with the Pharisees and Pontius Pilate. Then later, no, no, you have to, you know, the reason why Marines salute.
Speaker 11The reason why they pull their hand up to their eyebrow and salute is it began with knight erranty. Before knights would joust, they would put their hand at the bottom of their visor and they would lift it up so that you could see their eyes as if to say, this is who I am. This is the man, the morals. This is who I am and what I stand for and I'm willing to defend it with my life.
Speaker 11My honor is worth defending for my life. Well, If you have no honor and you have no integrity, then you have no nobility. So what do you stand for? It's just absolutely ridiculous and ludicrous.
Speaker 15Well, David, and I'm back, and I don't know what happens. It's Eon Space, 8200 just keeps kicking me out of X. So sorry about that. I have no clue. Hot space, Eon, hot space. We all know why. I got to go to bed because I know I have early morning, and I promise Santino I'll be there. Actually, he... Allows me to come tomorrow.
Speaker 15Because I need to stand there. And help the brothers out. As a good co-host tomorrow. Because boy I was irritated the other day. Anyways. I'm going to leave it at that.
Speaker 11Nice speaking with you again my friend.
Speaker 15You too David. You made such a fantastic point. What kind of man are you. If you cannot even choose the side. That you believe in. And stand on that side of the line. Stand on that side of what you believe. yourself as a man believes in what kind of example are you for generation c and generation alpha to show them to be a flip-flopper and to just pick the winning side instead of when you put that line in the damn sand when you know who you are what you stand for and that is what you represent and that is what this is what you're gonna choose no matter if it's winning or not
Speaker 15You're standing your crown. And when you stand your crown, when you're that kind of man, that builds character. That builds strength. And that will show the people around you that this is what a man should be. You are not going to just pick the winning side all the time. I called this out a long time ago. I got a lot of shit for calling out Nick Fuentes, by the way.
Speaker 15He blocked me and all that shit. And here we are finally. Gen Z is being psyoped. When you sit there and you think it's funny to say, oh, was he really a pedophile? You talk about Epstein, then you're going to sell merchandise with his T-shirt, with his hoodie or sweater, whatever he was selling. I don't follow any of these people.
Speaker 15I mean, you guys know that about me. I don't listen to anyone. Nobody. But now you talk bad about Dan Bilzerian today. And he said, this is what low anti-Semitism looks like. First of all, but really, David, first of all, for Nick Fuentes to say that it's like anti-Semitism, really? Should we now go into the rabbi hole of what is really anti-Semitism when we're talking about who's anti-Semitic?
Speaker 15When people speak about actual facts that is being shown on 4K live, on videos. How can you be anything? How can you be hateful or anti-Semitic when you're simply speaking about the truth? And he blew himself in the foot on this one too. You're using the word low IQ anti-Semitism. You know, the kid is going to lose his following.
Speaker 11I had no idea that he said that.
Speaker 15He said that tonight.
Speaker 11But now that I know it, from henceforward, I shall call all of his followers the goipers. That's what they are. They're the goypers.
Speaker 16Guys, can I just... Hey, David, good to see you. Wolf, wait, can I just chime in here?
Speaker 15You guys all know me. I just want to say good night. Paul, I'll see you probably tomorrow. Follow, I'll probably see you tomorrow. Ian, it would be nice if you show up.
Speaker 16What time?
Speaker 15God bless you guys.
Speaker 16What time?
Speaker 15I'm actually working on Dan Bozerian's campaign. Wait a second, one second.
Speaker 11Wolf, what time will the space start?
Speaker 15We'll be there all day, dude. Okay. We'd be with Santino. Awesome spaces, by the way.
Speaker 11Follow Wolf, follow Santino. They're on a space tomorrow, so it should be interesting. Very diverse points of view. Thank you, Wolf, very much.
@nietzsche258918Tell Dan to check out my policy, see if he likes them.
Speaker 16I think he would like them. I'm working on Dan's campaign down here in Florida, and I have probably about two bakers, dozens of volunteers that are working on the campaign with me. And... Me seeing that post of Dan today was the worst thing that I could see because 20 of the 26 volunteers that I'm in contact with that were working the campaign are Groypers.
Speaker 16You can say what you want about Nick. He has real actual support. Real live people that are in the campaigns, that are working the trenches, that are out there doing the shit. it's a phenomenon. Just like the fishback thing that's going on, it's all grippers. So you guys can say that he doesn't have influence or he's going to have things falling off or he's falling off.
Speaker 16In real life shit, it's not happening. In real life, everyone in our age group that's actually politically activated in Florida that's working on the AF side are all grippers. Acton is a Jew and Fishback is a Jew. That's fine, but the movement right now is behind Nick Quentin. That's what I'm saying. Definitely. Afton is a Jew.
@ehsanjoarderAfton is a fucking Jew. And so is Fishback.
Speaker 16Fishback is the only one that's actually going to be able to actually win a campaign. That's the whole thing with the Casey push thing. I wanted Casey to win. I'm not saying that I'm attacking Casey in any way, okay?
Speaker 15We don't hate them.
Ian MalcolmWe don't dislike them. Really quickly, why do you think Fuentes was so hostile towards Casey?
Speaker 16Initially, he endorsed Casey. Initially, he endorsed Casey. Everybody liked Casey, but then at a certain point, he realized that Casey had no chance of actually beating Vivek, which is the main objective here, to beat Vivek. And Casey also ran very much a campaign that he basically filled a void that was needed. There was an AF candidate that was needed to run against Vivek Ramaswamy that actually wanted to win.
Speaker 16Whereas Casey's campaign, you know, pretty much turned out that he went into this knowing that he wasn't going to win. He was just running a campaign and taking a placeholder, being a placeholder for essentially, you know what I mean? So at the end of the day... We want somebody, an American first candidate, that steps into this.
Speaker 16Not taking anything away from Casey, but we want people that are going to actually fill these voids to actually win, because winning is the objective here. You know what I mean? And I understand what Nick's position was. I'm not saying that Casey is a bad person. I'm not taking anything away from him, but him taking that mantle of being the AF...
Speaker 16you know, opposition to Vivek knowing, you know, with the mindset that he was, he wasn't planning going into this planning on winning is, is the wrong, is the wrong take for the American first side, because it makes, he's basically taking up a position that somebody else could have, could have filled that could, that would have, would have actually beat Vivek because this was a winnable race.
Speaker 16This is a solid candidate would have won this race. Just like, like, if you look at James Fitchback's campaign going on right now in Florida, it is crazy. And the candidate like that could have also taken the place there if Casey didn't take that spot with the intention of just running a mediocre campaign. And that's pretty much what Nick's point of view on this was.
Speaker 16And same with endorsing the Democrat that's running in that race. Because we want an actual AF candidate... in 2028, and the only way we're going to get that without Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance being propped up is by destroying the GOP. And we cannot destroy the GOP, but the Democrats can. The Democrats have the power to destroy the GOP.
Speaker 16And here's the thing. This is why he's endorsing the Democrat candidate. He wants the Democrats to win. The reason is because if the Democrats take the Congress... then Senate is still with Republicans and Trump is still the executive branch. So they can't really do anything. They're just balancing out the power. Right now, it's the Republicans all the way through.
Speaker 16So they're able to do whatever the fuck they want. You know what I mean? The reason that we want Democrats in the midterm, this is the midterm election, it's very important to remember, is that you want to balance out the power so that not a whole lot more happens from now until 2028. You know what I mean? So that's the whole reason behind the Democrats because we cannot take down the GOP on our own.
Speaker 16But the Democrats can. And we want an actual America First candidate, not J.D. Vance or Marco Lupino.
Speaker 15Let AOC run for it. AOC is going to be great. Scott Wiener, he's a Democrat. Great people you guys are trying to vote for. Good job.
Speaker 16No, I'm not saying... None of those people are good people. I'm not saying that... What I'm saying is that they can't do shit. because they'll have Congress, and Republicans will still have Senate, and Trump is still the top guy.
Speaker 11Not a whole lot is going to happen. First of all, hold on. In gubernatorial races, they're not midterms, right? They're for dominion over the state. And, of course, that means how your state's policy is in terms of bringing in people that are illegal immigrants. That means your educational policy. Think about it. He's talking about endorsing the previous COVID czar, the previous person who supported complete and utter brutal Menshevik authoritarian lockdowns, a Jewish supremacist of her own right.
Speaker 11And he's saying, endorse her. Because somehow... What's the opposition? You got Peter Thiel, David, trust the plan.
@ehsanjoarderThis is 2026, trust the plan, all right? 2026, trust the plan is vote for the Jews so one day we can get our Hitler.
Speaker 16No, 2026 plan is... I mean, what's the alternative with Vivek? Vote for the Jews so one day they'll let us have Hitler.
Speaker 11So, I mean, how far does this go? Both for Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel. Hold on, hold on. How far does this go? And Lil Tech. How far does this go? Do you blow Netanyahu to prove Trump is weak? I mean, like, I don't... Like, how far does this humiliation ritual go? I mean, you sound exactly like the Republicans.
Speaker 15I mean, David, might as well just have Sohan Mamdani win in 2020. Yeah, I mean, like, it's just the funniest thing in the world.
Speaker 16Sohan Mamdani's already won, so what are you talking about?
Speaker 15Yeah, I'm saying, let him run for president, because you guys would vote for that even, because Marxist... communist, so it's Marxist communist ideology.
Speaker 16You guys are completely missing the point. No, I am not missing the point.
Speaker 11You guys are literally... Hold on, hold on. Vote for Jews, they'll give us Hitler. Hold on, let Wolf talk. Go ahead, Wolf.
Speaker 15No, no. This is the problem. Low IQ anti-Semitism is what he's going with. You guys are being sire. Vote for Democrats so we get Hitler. You guys are, like, You guys live in your own fantasy land.
Speaker 16But what has voting for Republicans done now?
Speaker 15It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Are you guys even in the real world? Do you guys even understand how the real world works? No, you guys are fucking lunatics. I can't even believe I'm listening. I'm literally working on... What do you mean real world? I am in the real world. I'm the most real world thing that you know out there.
Speaker 15So vote for your Democrats, right, Gen Zers. Good job, because Nick Fuentes is saying that, like a cult leader mentality, follow someone blindly into your own freaking destruction. Good job, right? Because the Republicans, oh, we need to destroy the GOP so we can get America first, and so let's vote for Democrats. So what's your solution?
Speaker 15What's your solution?
Speaker 15I think I've seen already everything. I've already seen 2016. I've already seen 2020. I've already seen COVID. Yeah, we've all been through that. Hang on. I've already seen January 6th. I don't know how much worse things had to go that we didn't already see. We've already been there. We've already done that to now think we're going to get anything out of this.
Speaker 15What you guys are in your mind, it's in your brain. You guys have some kind of hallucination going on that things are going to change. Are you out of your mind? We are Gen 6. We had 2020. We now in 2024. We in 2026 now with Trump again. And you think anything is going to change? Nothing is going to change with you guys' ideology at all.
Speaker 15So what's the solution? You guys are falling right into the plan of these Marxist-Communist Democrats that are run by Jews. 100,000% with open border policies, LGBTQ ideology, destroying the school system, destroying America, and actually accelerating the 2030 agenda. And we have no coming back from that. If this even happens, we'd be done.
Speaker 15Palantir will control everything.
Speaker 16Like, you guys are dumb as fuck. When you're saying not to vote for Amy Acton, who's the opposition to Vivek, who is literally the Palantir guy.
Speaker 11That's true. So, here's the thing. What are you saying? Okay, well, here's what I'm saying. You're not voting your conscience. The first thing you have to understand is, when you talked about the national elections, which don't really apply with the state gubernatorial election, I don't know why you brought them up. The GOP has done...
Speaker 11I was just giving the example of Casey Post. Okay. But the example... Sorry. The...
Speaker 11The GOP has done a sufficiently good job of losing the House all by themselves. But I wouldn't vote for them. I would never vote for these other people. The only exception would be if someone was really, really anti-Israel on the other side. If there was a Dennis Kucinich, I would always vote my conscience, right? But here's the thing is, when you're voting in America...
Speaker 11The reason why the Great Awakening is happening is we understand that the answer isn't the voting booth. And Nick Fuentes is never going to understand this. Like, once you talk like him, you're never going to get it. You're just, you're basically a schlemiel, okay? So, because you don't understand, the people that control, Jewish supremacists that control our government are laughing at you.
Speaker 11When you say this is the solution, when you say, I mean, they just, you don't realize if they're on this space, they're all eating popcorn, drinking Coke and laughing their ass off on mute because they're going, this is what we want. You're like, give us all this power. And then of course, demographics is destiny. So back come the open borders.
Speaker 11And of course. The Frankfurt School, straight out of it, which is trying to convince our daughters to be whores and our sons to be daughters. Well, that's what they're going to do. And you're like, this is all an SPD plan. No, it's a very, very dumb plan. Vote. Don't vote. Or vote your conscience, don't vote. Vote for a third party, write someone in.
Speaker 11But don't vote for another devil because you're like, we're going to show the Republicans. Okay, so let's say the Democrats gain a lot of power that way. And then they're doing all these things. which they have done before. Let's not forget the genocide in Eastern Europe, the fratricidal war run entirely by Jewish supremacists.
Speaker 11That happened under Biden. That happened when the Democrats had a lot more power. Okay, so let's say they get a lot more power again, then you're going to go, hey, you know what? I came up with this genius idea and the goipers helped me. They said, let's vote for the Republicans. in order to show these Democrats. I mean, do you understand, like, the same people are laughing at you in either direction when you think this way?
Speaker 16Well, I would say that it's very different. You know, this is 2020. 2026 is a midterm election, which has very different circumstances and consequences.
Speaker 11New editorial elections are not midterms. Do you understand that? We're talking about... Yes, we were. We're talking about Vivek. What Nick Fuentes is talking about is endorsing Acton, a Jewish woman who's a Jewish supremacist who was the COVID charm for her state. It is like you're voting for the most authoritarian Jewish person that you could possibly vote for and you're saying that'll show them.
Speaker 11I mean, like, do you understand? And then, of course, the idea that he, of all people, would use the phrase Anti-Semitism. Use that term. Use the term. Against people who, by the way, who are committing all the anti-Semitism by killing all the Semites in Gaza and all throughout the Middle East. And he's like, I'm clever.
Speaker 11Now I'm going to adopt this. Oh, by the way, and I'm going to say things that I admire about Epstein. You know what this guy is? Comically absurd. I can see why he's blocking all of us. Because the moment people see it, he's like, okay, I'm outed. This is stupid. I just got to keep the goipers. following me and get rid of the smart people who go, gosh, this is the dumbest crap ever.
Speaker 16Well, again, you know, this is a very, the consequences to this election are very different than say a presidential election in 2028. You gave the example of Biden and COVID star and all that. So for this election, the reason that, you know, he backed, he is, his understanding of it, the way that he explained it is that the reason that he's backing Democrats in the midterms is to balance out the power.
Speaker 16If the midterms, if the Democrats hold Congress, where Republicans hold the Senate, and then you have Trump, obviously, less things are going to be able to pass through them. But don't you understand? Let me finish, bro. Don't you understand that this happens all the time? I understand everything you're saying. You're misquoting Nick, dude.
Speaker 16You're not letting me finish, okay? You're misquoting him.
Speaker 5He's basically saying burn it down. That's what he's saying. Right.
Speaker 16Burn it down. But that'll work.
Speaker 16Okay, so what he's saying is that burn it down so we don't end up with a J.D. Vance or a Marco Rubio as the Republican nominee, because that's where it's headed to right now. It's going to be either J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio, and they're going to sideline whoever else is running for the Republican primary in 2028. That's the plan.
Speaker 16Trump is basically going to package it all up and just kind of hand it over to them. And we want that. We want to prevent that.
Speaker 5If we don't ban lobbying, nothing matters. You know, when we burn it down with Biden... We're set back decades. Like one Trump presidency can't fix all the damage that Biden did. The 50 million illegals, we've reported 400,000 of them.
Speaker 16Yes, there is no matter. Listen, we can all agree that all of the things that Trump ran on, he has done the complete opposite of. We all voted because, I mean, Thomas Masson just put it perfectly. I think just today, earlier today on a post, he's like, you know, we voted for Trump to not start new wars, to release the Epstein files, and do all the things that he said he was going to do.
Speaker 16He didn't do any of that.
Speaker 15Well, I think until America wakes up and realizes that we're never going to vote ourselves out of this, till America realizes that we all have to be independent. We all should not support any of these parties, no left or right, till that day comes. Then we have a difference. Till they're not getting any votes from anybody.
Speaker 15The left and the right shouldn't get any American vote. I agree. Should we start a new party?
Speaker 16I could get behind that, but at the same time, that's not the way we live it. The reality that we live in is that it is a right versus a right party.
@nietzsche258918We can make it the world we live in. A new party.
Speaker 16A new party we can make it the world we live in. Sure, go start it and I'll join in. I promise. I have.
@nietzsche258918It's called the Left and Right Unite Party.
Speaker 16I posted it in the comments. But it's not there yet.
@nietzsche258918But we got to start it because everyone keeps saying it's not going to happen. You got to understand. If everyone has that attitude that we can't do it, that's how we're not going to do it.
Ian MalcolmAll right, and I know that we'll be able to go back and forth on this for hours. So instead what we're gonna do, I see that Paul politely put his hand up. So we'll go to Paul for some closing remarks because I don't think there's gonna be a middle ground. I think Esan did a very nice job of coming in here, presenting what he believes is Fuentes' position, which is nice because we get a firsthand interpretation.
Ian MalcolmSo now we'll go to Paul for some closing remarks and then we'll go to David. to send us on our way. And I would advocate that everybody, if they are looking to continue the conversation, hop into Mr. Truthteller's space. He's got 400 or 500 people in there. So I'm sure he'd appreciate the additional audience and the additional speakers.
Ian MalcolmSo we'll have that as an option. But let's go to Paul first.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, thanks, Ian. And, you know, Eason jumped right in front of me. I wanted to just say this earlier, kind of when we were still talking to Yitz. Really quick to Eason. He sounds kind of young. I'm going to guess that you're in your 20s or something. Uh, there's a lot of guys on the space that were, let's just say they're 40 or older, which means we have double the age that you do.
@nietzsche258918And we have more wisdom when it comes to the political sphere. I would just encourage you to be a little bit more receptive to the opinions of people who. are elders in this case it's not like we're idiots who just came up with the concepts and ideas that we're trying to share with you if a lot of us are trying to tell you if the future thinks that nick fuentes is the direction this country needs to go then the future's in bad hands um and i've been saying that for a long time because i see a lot of the young generation looking at guys like andrew tate and nick fuentes because unfortunately men aren't being taught what it actually means to be a man
@nietzsche258918which comes from following God and Christ. It doesn't come from following these idiots that you hear. And a lot of the stuff that's been going on in social media, they're only there because of the vacuum of the feminization of men in this country, sadly. And so hopefully we can take hold of our narrative again, where men can learn what it means to have values, what it means to have families, what it means.
@nietzsche258918You're not gonna learn what it means to have kids and a nuclear family from Nick Fuentes. So I just want to throw that one out there real quick.
Speaker 11Or Andrew Tate.
@nietzsche258918Or Andrew Tate or any of these people that go with it. And, I mean, I've even said, like, to Myron Gaines, I think he's an incredibly intelligent person. If he were just to be a little bit more focused on the positive message, I think that it would go further. But that's, again, I don't want to bring up too many guys right now.
@nietzsche258918But I just don't agree with the way that they're trying to lead men in a direction that I don't think is productive for our society and to bring us back to what made us so great. which was the nuclear family, because there's an attack on the nuclear family from many directions. And it comes also from people that we feel like are on our side or they make some sense.
@nietzsche258918But in reality, if that's why I was mad at him as a Catholic, because I was like, bro, you're not preaching at all what we teach in Catholicism. And I say this as a man who's been married for 19 years and I'm doing my part to raise two wonderful kids in the next, you know, for the next generation. But something I wanted to say to Yitz, unfortunately that I didn't, but I always try to remind, you know,
@nietzsche258918jews that oppose some of the things that are brought up uh it's with the torah uh in our case it's the old testament uh there's a proverb that says if your enemy is hungry give him bread to eat and if he is thirsty give him water to drink for you will heap coals of fire on his head and the lord will reward you um that's just uh something that jesus or actually the mark of a christian that was said by paul in the new testament was echoed in a new form and you know there's just so much wisdom in the word um that's why david you know when when you said earlier about him
@nietzsche258918I don't give up on anyone, man. Christ showed us that everyone is redeemable. Paul was a murderer of Christians, of Christians. And, you know, he was a Jewish murderer of Christians where Jesus said, why do you hurt my people? And he was able to convert him. David was King David, for example, was someone who did premeditated murder to Uriah the Hittite, also was an adulterer.
@nietzsche258918And he repented to Nathan. And also, even though it cost him his child, he ended up repenting and turning towards God before his death and redeeming himself. And then eventually his line is where Jesus Christ came from. So, you know, I find those examples for me as a man of faith. I don't give up on anyone and I'm not going to give up on Yitz.
@nietzsche258918I'm going to have more conversations with him moving forward because I think there is someone there. You have to give Yetz a little bit of credit when he's up here with a lot of strong personalities, a lot of strong minds. And he is willing to go back and forth and being the only guy who has the balls to even come in here into an Ian Malcolm space, you know, because because people are scared of having at least some sort of honest dialogue with each other.
Speaker 5Paul, he doesn't come in here to discuss anything. And your scriptures, you said, I was going to say it's really quick. The scriptures you said, I agree with. But it also says shake the dust off your feet, because when you argue with a crazy person. you also become crazy.
@nietzsche258918Just FYI, if it's friendship. I hear you too. I feel confident enough in my own state of grace. If you're in a good place to talk to these people, then you're good. I'm there. Maybe not everyone is, but I'm more than comfortable with who I am and in my faith. And therefore, it's on me to go and try to encourage others to see that there's a better path.
@nietzsche258918If you're not ready to do that, and I'm not saying you, I'm saying others, then don't do it. There's those of us who will be taking up that...
Speaker 11challenge well I I will say that I don't believe it makes you worse of a person to cast your pearls before swine and I I do think that everybody has the divine spark so I don't know what to say about it though because when serial killers kill they they have the first kill where most people would have remorse and believe me people commit horrible crimes and regret it for the rest of their life because
Speaker 11in a Dostoevsky sense, you know, with Raskolnikov and Crime and Punishment, they just are overwhelmed with guilt. But there's another kind of person that less and less feels things and then comes to enjoy it. And I don't know that that, I don't think that that countervails your point. Because, yeah, I don't, so I, the thing I like about you, my friend, and I'm not a Catholic, is I like people that are sincere about their morals and
Speaker 11You know, Henry David Thoreau would talk about people's mortal career. And this is the point I'm making about the goipers saying these things that are very disingenuous and thinking they're playing 3D chess. I'm interested in you. I'm always interested in the soul of the individual to whom I'm speaking. And I'm asking them to be careful, to guard that, to think what is best for your own mortal career.
Speaker 11And if you do that, you're going to make the world, what you're going to have, to give to the rest of the world is going to be subsequent to what you create inside yourself, what you discover inside yourself, your goodness, your kindness, an expanded sense of good versus evil by real deep contemplation and even meditation.
@nietzsche258918If I can add one thing to that, and I'll land with this, Ian, because I know you want to go. Being consistent is important. And I've had conversations with David for a long time, and I've never really seen him waver from who he is, which gives him credibility. You build credibility. I'm getting attacked already just for being in the space.
@nietzsche258918People are saying that, like, you know, I've been called that I preach fake peace or something. But anyone who's known me, I've never been any different since I've been on this app. I've always tried to... That's a new one, fake peace. That's great. Yeah, I got that one today.
Speaker 11Well, you're in good company because the person who inspired you the most was also attacked for hanging out with the quote-unquote wrong people.
@nietzsche258918Oh, I know. That's where I get my inspiration because I do. I go into all spaces, even people that don't like me. I don't go in anonymous. I go in there and I let them see me. I'm here. I'm listening to what you have to say to see if there's any truth in what you have to say, because even people who I disagree with may share some truth that I didn't consider.
@nietzsche258918But anyways, all I'm saying is, is be consistent. and figure out who you are. If you don't know who you are and you're young, figure that out first before you try to step up into real adult conversations, because you're gonna get lost. You're still trying to figure out what you believe in, what your stances are. And if not, you're gonna be very gullible to go and listen to the attractive stuff that sounds good, that's sensationalist, like the Nick Fuentes of the world.
@nietzsche258918They're gonna be seductive with, we gotta do this, we gotta do that. And it sounds like, oh yeah, that's like the smartest thing I've ever heard. But then when you get older, you realize, and you start to filter out, look, there's some red flags here. and you start to develop...
Speaker 16I'm 36 years old and I'm very politically active in Florida. I actually ran for Congress twice. So I'm very politically active here and I'm 36 years old. I'm not a 20-year-old young guy. But what I'm saying is that it's undeniable that Nick Fuentes is a huge, huge influence in real life because I'm telling you, every single one of the campaign volunteers that we have, 26 of them that I'm working with, 20 of them with the exception of four,
Speaker 16our Groypers, our Nick Fuentes followers. So by that one text that Dan sent out, by that one message that he sent out, he's pretty much, you know, taking my entire team away. So I'm over here trying to patch that shit up, which is having a really hard impact on me doing my job, which is to, you know, promote Dan Bilzerian's campaign here in Florida.
Speaker 16to take out Randy Fine.
@ehsanjoarderThey're not serious then. They either got to go do it and toe up to a guy who lived a real man lifestyle. He switched up. This is a spiritual battle. He's losing, losing, losing to fight this battle. Meanwhile, someone sitting behind a computer is gaining, gaining, gaining. Nobody's playing the record. Millions of dollars he's made for talking and stealing other people's talking points.
@ehsanjoarderI agree with you. I'm on your side. We're on the same side. I want Dan to win. The kids who left, they should have be they should not be mourned they should be replaced understanding bro is that it is you cannot deny nick flint is okay hold up you remember you remember just a week or two ago i was in a space i sent you a dm afterwards they talked about killing me and calling me a fed you didn't say a word because again it's a cult and so everybody has to get in fucking line and not only that you you maybe not you but i'm just saying you as a you know euphemism for a collective you
@ehsanjoarderUm, have to become the bitch of the bitch of the bitch of the bitch. So you're in a hierarchy and this is the problem with the culture personality. And this is why I was like, absolutely fucking not 20 years ago. Otherwise, I mean, we would all be King Koopas over here. If we've been doing this for 20 fucking years, you know, the second guy, second voice in the film, nine 11 missing links was assassinated by the Clinton dynasty on his fucking birthday in 2016.
@ehsanjoarderHe was the second voice after mine and nine 11 missing links. So you talk about bonafides, but you know what? It's not about a culture personality. about educating people and doing something about it. And that's what Bill Zarian is doing. So if it became a binary option and these young twerps don't understand the difference between Bill Zarian and Fuentes, then be gone.
@ehsanjoarderThat's fine. Bill Zarian can win without him. And they're never going to get this guy to get from behind the computer. They're never going to get this guy from behind the computer to get up on stage and actually do something. I promise you that. And if you haven't seen that yet...
Speaker 16These are real people that I talk to every single day that actually come out and knock on doors and hit the road. And now they're not because Bill's there instead of fact. And now they're not because Bill's there instead of fact. Well, I don't want that to happen. My job is to make sure that Milserian wins, drag him through the finish line.
Speaker 16And what I'm saying is that, you know, going after the guy that's the most influential person in the America First movement, which is basically the platform he's running on.
Ian MalcolmTo jump in here on the cult of personality concept, two things. Number one, what you're describing sounds like when Donald Trump says, I am MAGA. Trump is MAGA.
Speaker 16But you understand what I'm saying though, right, Ian? You get my point, right?
Ian MalcolmI can understand and appreciate that. what Khan is saying, because I've seen firsthand, not only when I've pushed back on anything that Nick Fuentes says, there is a army of either bots or trolls that come out of the woodwork with, and they're the most ridiculous thing. Anonymous usually. Rocky Groiper, Clinton Groiper, washing machine Groiper, everything Groiper.
Ian MalcolmAnd all they do is they just spam R-Tard, low IQ. It's all nonsense. It reminds me of literally the nonsense that I get from Zionists and Jews. I'm not exaggerating. And not only that, but then if you try to engage in a good faith debate back and forth with these people, it is, oh, just wait for a week and you'll realize Nick was right.
Ian MalcolmYou should just listen to what Nick says. No mature individual would advocate this. Nobody that actually wants what's best for a thoughtful discourse would advocate for this. Everyone would say, let's sit down at the table. Let's hash out the ideas. Let's see who's right. And if somebody advocates that it's ridiculous to suggest that Israel might've had a hand in Charlie Kirk a month later, you should be like, I think you're a lunatic.
Ian MalcolmAnd the fact that you scolded anybody who thought it was unreasonable to believe that Israel might've had a motivation. Well, you're either compromised or you're perhaps so arrogant that you feel like you can just shoot down the, the Occam's razor that everyone else is looking at. And it's things like that that I can't comprehend because even when Fuentes is caught with his hand in the cookie jar, clearly being wrong, even then the Gropers are like, well, he was right.
Ian MalcolmYou just had to understand the angle that he was right. And oh, by the way, that was a joke. And that's what they do. It feels like I'm arguing with a fan of like Jon Stewart back in the day where everything he says that's accurate, it's because he's a political genius. And when he's wrong, it's because he's a comedian.
Ian MalcolmAnd that is Nick points his stick, at least as I can understand it.
Speaker 16Yeah, I could agree with you. I mean, I don't agree with his take on Charlie Kirk's assassination, nor do I agree with his take on the Epstein thing. But then again, I'm still not in a place where I'm like, oh, you know, I'm going to publicly disavow you, especially when I'm trying to run a campaign on the AF platform, knowing that he, you know, is who he is.
Ian MalcolmI totally get that. But also, would it be... So if the point of America first, whatever that nebulously means, is to win and make America better, and if everybody can agree that Dan Bilzerian would be far better than Randy Fine, and yet the people that align with and appreciate the Groiper movement say, you offended Nick Fuentes, I'm out.
Ian MalcolmWhat does that say about the Groiper movement?
Speaker 16I agree. That's a good question. That's a very valid question. You know what I mean? And I am kind of in the middle of this where I'm trying to hash this out and I need this to kind of not be the situation going into the election cycle. From my perspective.
@ehsanjoarderEverybody's got choices and this is an important choice that you're going to have to make because if it's binary, I don't think anybody who's aware and who has a relationship with the creator is choosing Fuentes over Bill Zarian. I don't even think there's a single individual. No.
@nietzsche258918Fuentes says Epstein doesn't matter. We just found out that Epstein was behind COVID-19, cost the world $24 trillion, Trump bankrupted our nation. And Epstein doesn't matter. He's literally told Peter Thiel, who's building our palantir, future hell, New World Order tyranny, that I represent the Rothschilds, who also run our Federal Reserve.
@nietzsche258918So for Nick Fuentes never to mention the Rothschilds and to say Epstein doesn't matter when Epstein's running Trump and running our entire government. That's absurd. Nick Fuentes is a retard, and all of his followers are retards.
@ehsanjoarderBut you see, the other problem here is that it becomes a binary conversation about a single individual. It's almost Talmudic, because at the end of the day, he's just one fucking person. He could be dead tomorrow. He could disappear. He could retire. Look at what happened to Lucas Gage. Everybody, you know, I told a lot of people, 2024, Lucas Gage was anti-somebody of the year.
@ehsanjoarderI don't give a fuck what anybody said. But he won 2024. I mean, he's the one who livestreamed the JP conference, everything. And look at him now. And again, I mean, there's some really strange shit happening with that, but I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and we'll see over time because I tell people privately, I don't talk about this publicly.
@ehsanjoarderBut like, again, it's a very similar scenario, cult of personality. You live by it and then you die by it. And so now we're all talking about this individual and this individual's takes on this and that. And you know... per day. There's thousands of news items from around the world. So what does this one commentator say about this and that?
@ehsanjoarderAnd I disagree here, but you know what? I agree there. He's smart there. And it's like, and then there, by the way, these individuals, these influencers who are in it for the money, right? They're looking, they're crowdsourcing. They're trying to figure out like, what's gonna work today? What's gonna work tomorrow? What's the edgy thing to do today?
@ehsanjoarderOh, you know what? Now everybody's in anti-Semite. Now it's not cool. Now let's make categories of anti-Semitism. Oh, let me, the 2024 anti-Semite of the year, disavow anti-Semitism now, because that's the new cool thing. I'm a philosopher and I'm different now. And everybody wanna be different Because they have a brand.
@ehsanjoarderAnd then you're all following like, oh, I agree here. I don't agree here. Well, you know, you said something two months ago. Shut the fuck up. This is the whole problem. This is exactly the issue. It's not about the individual. The individual can go. You know, there's no reason why they wouldn't try to put a bullet in Bill Zarian's head if he goes all the way.
@ehsanjoarderAnd by the way, if he wins, I have told him I wasn't even interested in this stupid fucking race, even though I hate Randy Swine. I was interested in the 2028 presidential election, because whether or not they vote fraud the shit out of it, if he gets on the stage and he's having these conversations, that shifts the conversation further forwards.
@ehsanjoarderAnd if he's willing to sacrifice himself to do that and it's a binary decision between him and someone else who's not and who's made millions of dollars by talking that he stole from others it's a very easy choice it's not even a question well and i would say this too and this is what makes the fuentes thing so silly first of all i don't think it's quite the way you described it because i think you know people are just stopping listening to fuentes i mean it's sort of like a clown show at this point
Speaker 11And there are many people, really many people all over the place. It's really, you know, the addition of so many voices with such great sincerity. But I would say this. It's just the fact that the conversation is happening. You know, Dan is standing right up in front of God and country courageously and saying, I've come here to fight.
Speaker 11You know, I remember in William Wallace when he said, we're having a parlay. He said, I didn't come here to parlay. I come here to pick a fight. Yeah, and that's Dan. He came to pick a fight. It's one thing to be able to talk and be on the internet and whatever, but we all admire someone who says, you know what? I'm going to show up.
Speaker 11I'm going to fight this guy, win or lose. I'm going to do the very best that I can. These people are increasing in numbers. They used to not be heard of. They used to be flushed down the memory hole, including the Candace Owens of the world, by the way, including everybody else, the Ian Malcolms. Notice that our voices, there are more and more and more of us.
Speaker 11So every time we see one of them come out in a political race or in the real world, we should really, really support them, irrespective of whether it shouldn't be a purity thing. It shouldn't be, well, they agree with everything. And by the way, I don't care whether they like me or not. I mean, how absolutely small-minded is that?
Speaker 11I always would support them based on their principles, not what they think of me. So really, this is, the big picture is, If the fight is happening now where it wasn't happening before, then it's only going to get better for us from there. And shame on us if we don't stand behind anyone who is willing to have that fight out in public.
Ian MalcolmWell, and speaking of fights in public, we certainly see one brewing with Bill Zarian and Nick Fuentes, which nice little place to put a bookmark into this space that went way longer than I thought it would. I want to thank everybody that came in. Again, I want to thank Joanne, who is up here as the OG co-host. She really is the co-hostess with the mostess.
Ian MalcolmBut if I had to pick some co-hosts that have the most, David Nietzsche and Mr. Converse, two of the absolute superstars of this application. I want to thank everybody that came in. Andy was in here for a long time, and Isan. I want to thank them a lot for trying to give us perspective into what's going on with the
Ian Malcolmwith some very animated color commentary. We did do that space a long time ago about COVID being directly tied to Jeffrey Epstein. Wasn't that curious? Always really interesting perspectives. We'll have to get another one aligned with you. We'll just have to make sure that we get you some calming tea, maybe with some honey prior.
Ian MalcolmMake it very excitable, which is actually a good thing because you're passionate about these, which we should all be. There's a lot wrong with the world. We're trying to expose it. We're trying to understand as best we can. How do we support champions that are going to try to make it a better place? Speaking of champions, Mr.
Ian MalcolmTruth Teller Space is live. I think, like I said, he's got 400 or so people over there. I would love to see that grow by 375 folks. We get everybody from here over in there. Would love to continue hearing from everybody. I'm probably going to be in the background, but always like to support him as I do all of you. And so if there's a topic that you want to cover,
Ian MalcolmIf there's a space that you want to host, send me a note. I will always support any and every way that I can. I see the likes of Santino down there. Mr. Hitchlap, two wonderful spaces hosts. I could not recommend you guys give them a follow more. The two of them are absolutely brilliant. Santino always has very lively debates.
Ian MalcolmAnd Mr. Hitchlap always focused on IQ and other social commentary. I find very, very interesting. Lots of other friends that are in here. The Force, Yankee, Faloo. Thank you guys again so much for being here. We'll continue. trying to understand how we can best support the world tomorrow. I think Mr. Bilzerian is a wonderful candidate.
Ian MalcolmI've seen nothing but brave, courageous, and steadfast approaches to that. So I am absolutely with him. Nick Fuentes, I find very interesting, very smart guy. And I think there are a few people that can present the history and the present as well as he can. But it is some strange things that we've seen. And so I will try to be critical where it makes sense and support where it does.
Ian MalcolmI find it very strange that when I support the Gropers hate me because I've critiqued. And when I critique, they hate me because I don't support. It seems like you can't win with those folks, but so be it right. As Eson mentioned, they've got a very, very large audience. We've got to figure out how to blend that into whatever it is that we're building and things that have been built for a long time.
Ian MalcolmLike Mr. Converse, who's been doing this. for over a decade in the trenches on this subject. So look, there's lots of OGs like Mr. Khan and all those folks he was mentioning. We should support them. And I will support anybody and everybody whenever they come along and they come around to this reality. I will see you all in Mr.
Ian MalcolmTruth Teller space. God bless. Good night. And Godspeed on our adventure to make the world better, everybody.