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- 0:00Anonymous Impact & ConsequencesThe hosts discuss the impact of anonymous online activism and the risks of doxing, referencing the case of Brandon Taylor-Lamar.
- 2:02Star Wars as American MythThe conversation shifts to Star Wars as a foundational American myth, exploring its archetypal themes and cultural significance.
- 20:44Good vs. Evil in Star WarsThe hosts delve into the portrayal of good and evil in the original Star Wars trilogy, contrasting it with traditional morality.
- 36:07The Force: Religion or Ethos?A discussion on whether the Force in Star Wars is a religious concept, an ethos, or a representation of a higher power.
- 45:23Debating Zionism: Tactics & TruthThe hosts and guests share experiences and strategies for debating Zionists, highlighting their evasive tactics and the importance of truth.
- 55:42Prequel Politics & Phantom MenaceThe discussion moves to the Star Wars prequels, analyzing their political undertones and the concept of a 'phantom menace' leading to totalitarianism.
- 58:47Watto: A Jewish Caricature?The character of Watto from The Phantom Menace is discussed as a potential Jewish caricature, with analysis of his appearance and actions.
- 1:05:39Bloodlines vs. Modern WokenessThe hosts explore the theme of bloodlines and genetics in Star Wars, contrasting Lucas's original vision with modern, 'woke' interpretations.
- 1:11:32Joy vs. Pleasure: Lucas's PhilosophyGeorge Lucas's philosophy on happiness, distinguishing between short-lived pleasure and lasting joy, is presented as a concluding thought.
The Transcript
Speaker 1Bye.
Ian MalcolmMr. Rabbi Malleus, how are you, my good friend?
Ian MalcolmRabbi, can you hear me or no?
Ian MalcolmI'm getting sad faces. Rabbi, are you there?
Ian MalcolmI don't know what quite to make of that. Rabbi, hopefully you can hear me. Thumbs up from anybody if we could get an emoji or two.
Ian MalcolmAll right, it looks like we've got some thumbs up. Adam, can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmOkay, I see the thumbs up. Hopefully the audio works. Okay, we will hopefully have this rock and roll. I was excited for a second because it appeared as though For the first time in maybe a half dozen different attempts, the spaces were going to open without a hitch. There we go.
@malleusigCan you hear me?
Ian MalcolmI sure can. I was all excited, Brad. I was going to try and lead us in with some intros and all those good things.
@malleusigIt's always the good spaces that the Haryana censorship crew department decides to fuck with me. It's like, I come up to the thing, you send me a co-host, I accept it, and then it drops me back down to listener without actually showing me in listener. I'm still on the stage, but I keep trying to get back on stage. So I'm simultaneously on stage and off stage at the same time.
@malleusigIt's insane. These people are crazy.
Ian MalcolmBut this is working for you now, it seems.
@malleusigIt's working for me now. I need to look up how to say fuck you in Hindi so I can tell these people every time they do this shit to me.
Ian MalcolmWell, let's see. There will be not so many FUs in Hindi, but what we might get here... And Rabbi, is the audio coming in okay? It's coming in great for me. All right, perfect. Well, then what we might get in this space is going to be perhaps not Hindu, perhaps not even a lot of... Well, actually, no. I'm sure we're going to get to the usual suspects because we're going to be discussing...
Ian MalcolmThey will not be able to resist. Well, and speaking of resistance, I'm excited for this one because it's been a long time in the making. And look, I love discussing geopolitics. I love going into current affairs and all of the insanity, which is just ever escalating, especially with all of the chaos going on in the Middle East right now.
Ian MalcolmAnd we're actually going to get to that. in kind of an indirect route, because obviously when I set this space, the intent, Rabbi and I have had a number of really interesting conversations that have been about all sorts of things, and I find myself often reflecting on pop culture to understand and infuse or try to express the weird things going through my mind in a way that's relevant for lots of people.
Ian MalcolmAnd so in doing that, I tend to focus on a couple things rather thematic stories that Joseph Campbell and the idea of the hero of a thousand faces tend to express in the ideas of the shadow and all these other rather artistic ideals that are infused into literature. And I'm sure we'll get to those. But naturally, I keep coming back to essentially three different stories.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'll go kind of in reverse order in terms of the... kind of, what would you call it, the frequency with which I reference them. And I say that because the one I least point to is perhaps the one that is somewhat most relevant in terms of my Twitter activity today, because I'll often point to Harry Potter and the idea of Voldemort and what that character is prospectively supposed to reference.
Ian MalcolmBut the thing that I can say with absolute certainty is just like Frodo and Gollum, And just like with Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, these are all characters that embody the idea of the shadow, which is essentially the antithesis of our hero, right? It is what our hero can become if they pursue the dark and evil, right?
Ian MalcolmHarry Potter can basically become and or is attached to Voldemort. Obviously, Frodo becomes literally something like Gollum in the event that he succumbs to the ring. And of course, Luke Skywalker can follow in the footsteps of Darth Vader. And we'll get into each of those. But the reason I started with Harry Potter is because of the little spat that I had today.
Ian MalcolmAnd what perfect timing, because I found myself having a little feud. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, it's just wild. And you know what's crazy is... You know, we often, and I made a post just the other week, I think it was, basically saying that we get critiqued. And I think everybody up here on the panel right now, perhaps with the exception of Joanne, with Adam, and certainly with Rabbi Mallius and myself, we are anonymous voices on this application.
Ian MalcolmAnd I've been in spaces with lots of rather prominent figures in the social media kind of world, especially with the JQ, that have essentially said you can't have an impact at all. if you were an anonymous handle. Now, I think there's a couple reasons that people might say that. Number one is perhaps that they are in good faith trying to suggest that we could have far more of an impact if we were face forward and therefore able to maybe go on podcasts or interviews or do other things and make a bigger impact on the Zeitgeist.
Ian MalcolmThat's a fair statement. But you could also suggest that perhaps it's nefarious in its intent because it's trying to get people that... perhaps could make a difference behind the veil of an anonymous handle and to get them to step out into the sunlight where they can then be attacked, minimized, or let's say ridiculed for other purposes.
@malleusigWhat happened to Brennan Taylor-Lamar?
Ian MalcolmRabbi, you want to go down that real quick?
@malleusigYeah, Brennan Taylor-Lamar, he got arrested now. So they arrested him for saying things on Twitter. And if he had been anonymous, it would not have happened. As soon as he showed his real name, they launched this huge defamation campaign and they started taking notes on everything he said on Twitter until they could find something that they could, you know, they could prosecute him with.
@malleusigAnd even then it was tortured. It's like, like he just basically talked about the same shit we're talking about, which is, you know, imminent threats to our existence. And they paint him online in their articles as some kind of person who's calling for the genocide of all Jews, which he's not. Objectively not. And it's disgusting.
@malleusigNow he's facing charges. It's the most disgusting thing I've seen ever.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and for what it's worth, a big fan of a lot of his work, and I say that, you know, obviously I haven't seen every tweet and every video and all those things, but tends to put out a lot of content that I think is certainly framed through... the intent of rather peacefully presenting perhaps uncomfortable truths. And that's what we tend to do in these spaces.
Ian MalcolmWe never advocate for any kind of violence. But just today, to kind of come full circle on that idea of having an impact as an anonymous handle, I found myself in the little back and forth spat of all people with J.K. Rowling. So here you have one of the most famous authors on the planet, and she's very irritated and upset.
Ian Malcolmwith little anonymous Ian Malcolm and his content on Twitter in response to her, right? And so this idea that we can't make an impact, obviously we can. The idea that we should just dox ourselves and go face forward, obviously Brandon presenting kind of the possibilities and some of the detrimental side effects that being face forward can have.
Ian MalcolmAnd so, you know, first and foremost... We wish all of our love and good wishes on Brandon. We will be here to support any which way we can. I think as soon as we hear from him, if there are things that we can do vocally to try and assist, we certainly should. And if there is perhaps some kind of legal GoFundMe type thing that he ends up having to deal with, if...
Ian MalcolmYou know, anybody is not grifting. It's a guy who's literally getting arrested and is in the newspaper for doing so. And so we'll certainly do everything that we can to support. But I do want to bring that full circle just to this notion that we can't have an impact with just our ideals, our words behind an anonymous account.
Ian MalcolmI certainly think we can. And I certainly, for what it's worth, maintain my position that unless you believe that you are economically untouchable, or if you believe that you could be economically benefited from being face forward and discussing these ideas, I think everybody should be extremely careful because they are only going to ramp up and accelerate some of the punishments or threats or other hindrances that they're going to put on us for trying to mention and discuss these things as we do peacefully and righteously, which brings us full circle to this idea of righteousness.
Ian Malcolmright? Because I referenced some of those characters, and again, Harry Potter and Voldemort or Frodo and Gollum or Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. And I'm certainly going to bring us to this galactic world, the galaxy far, far away, because I think it's perhaps one of the ones that's most interesting and that I'm most eager to pick Rabbi's mind in terms of the theology, the ethics, the religion, the ethos that might be inherent within, right?
Ian MalcolmBecause we fundamentally, in this idea of the JQ, I think that we are facing essentially good and evil. And it's not to say that all anything are anything. Not all Jews are this, all Christians are that. There's lots of good and bad people that come from all walks of life, right? And that's how we always approach these things.
Ian MalcolmBut we do seem like we are facing an existential threat to essentially democracy, freedom, and liberty. And so what I'm going to be very curious to walk through especially on the Star Wars front, Rabbi, is to kind of reverse engineer some of these stories, their characters, the intent behind them. And, you know, I suppose I could take it any which number of ways, but when we specifically focus on Star Wars, I think that there's kind of these three trenches or trunches, right?
Ian MalcolmWe've got essentially the original trilogy. from, let's say, the early 80s, late 70s. We've then got the prequel trilogy right around the turn of the century. And then we've got the new stuff. And I'm going to take the new stuff, and I don't mean to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I'm going to launch all of that out the window because everything post-sale of George Lucas, I think, is largely devoid of...
Ian Malcolmthe moral or righteous compass that I think he infused into a lot of his work, which is the stuff that I really want to focus on. Because everything post him and, you know, through the acquisition from Disney and Kathleen Kennedy and all that kind of stuff, I think is a very different universe, pun intended. But if we focus on that original trilogy, the good and evil that is within, which is probably the best place to start.
Ian MalcolmAnd I say that because what I find very interesting is we can look at the original trilogy, which In many ways, I think you could look at as an elementary understanding of good and evil, right and wrong. It's very black and white. And then what we can do after doing that is to go to the prequel trilogy era. And the reason that I say that is because the prequels basically give you a backstory on Anakin, the villain, that sheds some new light and maybe complicate these ideas of good and evil where you have to start looking through the world, not just through the right and wrong, but also the political opportunity
Ian Malcolmthat is available when perhaps good or evil positions or hides or subverts itself within one or the other category, if that makes sense. We can go into the politics of that and the ethics of that and all those different things. And so we'll start with that, you know, the original... presentation, let's say, incorporating Luke and Leia and Yoda and all these kind of things.
Ian MalcolmI'm going to be very interested to pick your brain on that. I also, before we go into it, I want to thank everybody that is in here. Very excited for some of the wonderful individuals that we have up here with us that not only have you know, incredible insights into the political landscape of today, but I'm gonna be very curious for their enthusiasm or interest in some of these pop culture references that we're gonna unpack.
Ian MalcolmAnd I just wanna thank everybody that's in the listener panel, whether this is your first time. in some of these spaces because we're talking about something that's a little bit outside of our wheelhouse or whether you've been here in this entire journey. I just want to thank everybody. And with that, perhaps what we could do, Rabbi, is to initially go to you maybe for a little bit of background introduction for anybody that's not familiar.
Ian MalcolmAnd then we'll hit light speed, if you will, and start to unpack some of these ideas. And as we do... Feel free to just pick from some of the wonderful panelists that we might have up here with us and maybe deflect a question in their direction or get their take on any of the items that we find ourselves talking about.
@malleusigSounds great. Well, first thing I want to do, I want to say hi to all my favorites, Joanne, Adam. I see Santino in there. I see Michael Rechtenwald is here. I want to say congratulations on your debate yesterday, Michael. I have not watched the recording yet, but once I find it, I'll be watching the entire thing. don't want to turn the space about that but very briefly how was that i watched a clip and it was great good job yeah the clip that i saw was fantastic it was a nightmare i'll tell you about it later okay all right if you if you do a space in that i'm totally there i want to hear all about it
@malleusigOkay, then we won't make you talk about that. Yeah, so first things first, I dropped a link to the stream in the comments. So anytime there's an audio-visual component, I'll be going through YouTube videos, anything that we need to show on video, I'll show it there. So if you hear us not talking for like minutes at a time, it's because everyone's over in the stream watching that.
@malleusigOkay? And... And yeah, so for Star Wars, man, what can I say? Star Wars is literally the American myth, right? You know, what the Norse legends were for the Vikings, what, you know, what, you know, stories of Zeus and Demeter were for the Greeks, what stories about Anne Frank are for the Jews. You know, the Star Wars is our myth.
@malleusigIt is what... It is the set of ideological, like archetypical kind of values that orient us. You know, they came out of America. It's a purely American story. And it really sets down, you know, it's one of these things, myths, they reflect and they also instruct at the same time. They come out of the psychology of a group and they feed back into that psychology and they instruct it and help it to hold true to those values as it moves forward.
@malleusigright um and i think that you see star wars coming out uh at a time when i you know americans really really were suffering for uh a kind of archetypical myth system uh christianity was even then starting to fail starting to become less popular people are giving into uh materialism hedonism we're talking about the late 70s early 80s
@malleusigAnd people were looking for something to orient themselves to psychologically. And Star Wars was that for a lot of people. I know there are a lot of people even today that when asked what their religion is on a census form, they will write Jedi, right? It's one of these things that's absolutely incredible. And yeah, so...
@malleusigThe great thing about it is it really does offer, like you mentioned before, the whole Joseph Campbell thing, the connection. Joseph Campbell actually was one of the consultants that Lucas talked to and the other people that are involved in making Star Wars that they talked to when they created the story. Lucas originally, you know, Lucas was not the creative genius behind Star Wars.
@malleusigLucas wanted Luke Skywalker to be called Luke Starkiller and for him to have a frog head. in the original draft, if I remember correctly. So a lot of outside help went into this. As a matter of fact, George Lucas is the other person that I usually cite when I talk about the Adam Sandler effect, which is when you have a writer who writes a really, really good movie or does some really great work, and then because of the notoriety they get out of that success, then people start giving them...
@malleusigknow the ability to write scripts without any outside um checks or balances and they go straight to hell right you see the same thing with adam sandler movies with like little nikki i think is the best example i can think of uh after uh things like billy madison and george lucas is the same thing you know for the first three movies he was great it was fantastic
@malleusigAnd then for the prequels, they were like, hey, guess what? You can write your own scripts. Nobody's going to correct you. We'll just go on the first draft. And we saw what came out of that. But yeah. So I will be going through any questions. We're just going to bounce back and forth between things. And we'll take questions in the way.
@malleusigAnytime you want to see something, we'll show it. And I guess the way to start out with, I guess, is Ian, you want to go over the first movie?
Ian MalcolmWell, yeah. And just out of curiosity. So it's interesting because a lot of the mythos around how this all came to be is that Lucas had this very large story right in his head and perhaps too large, just like the Lord of the Rings franchise or Harry Potter to try and condense into a single single film. Right. And one of the things that I find really interesting is where he selected because, you know, he did essentially have what we now think of as the original six films.
Ian MalcolmHe did have that essentially drafted up and it was, you know, it was significantly different than what we ended up seeing. But nonetheless, decided to pick in the middle of this larger story arc. which obviously you've got, you know, maybe large space battles and all these other kind of things. But it also served as a really nice place because you started or you mentioned Joseph Campbell.
Ian MalcolmAnd so for anybody that's listening that's not familiar with this idea of the hero of a thousand faces, it's basically the notion that all heroes are essentially different presentations of the meta hero that is Christ, which I find really fascinating. And the idea is- That is Christ? Well, it's one way to think about it because the thing is that what these characters were ultimately always going to go through is this very – and if everybody that's listening, if you're not familiar with this idea, think through not just Luke Skywalker but also you could think through Frodo if you think of the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Ian MalcolmAnd then you can also very easily think of Harry Potter not just through – I guess it's the seven or eight films or books. but rather you could think through each one of them following this pattern, which is essentially that you have a character who is lost out in the world, does not necessarily feel they have a purpose.
Ian MalcolmSo you've got Luke Skywalker and he's on Tatooine and we'll walk through this, right? And even the first film, kind of, you could loosely think of this, but you need to go through the entire original trilogy to really get to this picture. So instead, think of Harry Potter, right? You've got Harry who is, he's living under the staircase.
Ian MalcolmRight. He's lonely. He feels kind of lost in the world. He's picked on. He doesn't have his place, but but he's longing for something different. Right. And then what do you have this character do? He essentially, he meets his, you can think of him as a mage or a teacher, which could be... It's the guardian.
@malleusigIt's the guardian, there you go. Of the portal into adventure.
Ian MalcolmThat's exactly right. So you've got the guardian, right? And you could think of this as Obi-Wan Kenobi, right? He is the guardian who's going to take Luke on what? Which is the big, like you said, the portal into this adventure. So the character...
@malleusigI think Campbell mentioned this stage. So the guardian is the person, but the stage is the call. And the call is when the hero, the kind of like nascent hero, the hero in potentiality, right, is when he hears or he receives a challenge from the underworld or from outside the forest or whatever. And the hero first refuses it.
@malleusigAnd then eventually is convinced to go off on the adventure. And we see exactly that with Harry Potter.
Ian MalcolmNo, that's exactly right. And so the reluctant hero, right? And if you think about it, even Luke Skywalker, when he originally meets Obi-Wan Kenobi, he is called by Obi-Wan to go out and you need to learn the ways of the force, right? And Luke is even reticent to it.
@malleusigWell, no, he's actually called by Obi-Wan first. Like he meets Obi-Wan. right? Or he's called by the recording of R2-D2, right? And then he's like, wait, that sounds like Ben Kenobi. And they go out, they meet him. Ben Kenobi's like, you need to, you know, do this, this, this. You'd come with me. And he's like, no, no, I'm going to go back and find my, talk to my adoptive parents.
@malleusigAnd he goes back. So he leaves Kenobi. He refuses the call, goes back to his home, finds his adoptive parents murdered by stormtroopers. And that's the click. And that's what gets him to buy in. All right, I'm all in now. Let's go fuck the Empire up, right?
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, that's exactly right. And so this... notion of Campbell and the hero of a thousand faces, right? It goes through this pattern of the call to adventure, the unwillingness to do it. And it's curious because, you know, we often, I feel like in our individual lives feel very similar to this. And I'm sure everybody listening has different things where they've felt a call either for a academic or professional or romantic or any number of other prospective adventures.
Ian MalcolmAnd oftentimes you feel reluctant to do it because change can be difficult, right? And so the hero is called to go on these things, and then there's some kind of impetus that usually forces them to do so. And the character ultimately then goes on this big adventure, learns lots of new skills, ends up having some kind of, of course, villain or antagonist that they have to deal with.
Ian MalcolmAnd the thing that's curious about this idea of the hero of a thousand faces is that at the end of every one of these cycles, The hero ends up, whether it's Harry Potter at the end of every one of these films, right? Harry goes off to Hogwarts, has his adventure, and then where does he end back? But the very place that he began.
Ian MalcolmAnd this is one of the things that's very curious, right? Because Harry Potter does this at the end of every movie. He comes back and he lives once again under the staircase. Frodo Baggins goes on the big long adventure and has all of the action and the drama. And then where does he end up? But back at the Shire. And the thing that's interesting is this idea of the hero of a thousand faces.
Ian Malcolmeven though they return back to their homeland, when they get there, they can never look at it the way they once did because they've been forever changed. Oh, go for it.
@malleusigIt's not just them. And a lot of these stories, especially the stories of fairy circles, are a good example of this. And this is one of the reasons that Campbell raised is they go back and no one else can see them as they saw them either because the whole story is about the hero answering the call of adventure, having adventure,
@malleusigdying or going to the underworld or going to some other world and coming back. And then when they come back, they're changed irreparably and they are either no longer really fit in with people or people simply don't recognize them. The story with the fairy circles, for example, is a classic archetype because... it's it's a story of it's an iron one of these irish stories where they'll go you have this uh the fool archetype this young man for example who's just kind of like tending a sheep and he'll stumble into a fairy circle and he'll meet these fairies and they'll be like oh they hang out with us we'll drink we'll tell stories we'll dance right and he spends uh the night with them
@malleusigAnd then he comes back and he goes back to his his hamlet or his village or whatever. And it's literally 50 years later. Right. The whole thing is different. Everything he's he's basically spent one night according to his his passage of time. But when he wakes up and he's a little bit hung over, it's like 50 years have passed and the entire country has moved on forward in time.
@malleusigBut he's wandered out of the forest still thinking it's 50 years ago. Right. And so it's like nobody recognize literally nobody recognizes him anymore.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's one of the big themes, right? And so you see this, and it's so interesting because essentially Lord of the Rings did this over the entirety of the story arc with Frodo coming back. And then curiously, Frodo at the end, just like you just said there, Rabbi, right? Everyone looks at him differently. And then what does Frodo do?
Ian MalcolmBut... decide I can no longer stay here in the Shire because it's forever changed. I'm forever changed. The people around him forever changed. So he sets off and has to go on another adventure, right? It's almost, it's this call to return once again to something entirely brand new. And you see this also with, of course, Harry Potter, who comes back, he lives under the staircase.
Ian MalcolmAnd then every year he goes back on another one of these adventures coming back different than he was. So it, and I say that just to anchor this concept, because When Lucas was kind of ideating his story, which I think, like Rabbi said, kind of served in a lot of ways as one of the fundamental American religions of modernity.
Ian MalcolmAnd we'll ultimately get to how perhaps that religion has been kind of perverted and trying to fit in with new modernity and how that, of course. creates a lot of conflict with those that go for nostalgia and they get shell-shocked with the new idea of a modern take on, let's say, religion. But rather to say that when Lucas was thinking this through, when Tolkien wrote this, when J.K. Rowling, who I had my little spat with today, that they were thinking through these concepts and that this was not just an adventure story.
Ian MalcolmA lot of people think through... And I have a pretty, I'd say, a close affinity for the original Star Wars because of that morality and the ethics that are taught within it, the ethos that you basically get out of it, this idea of not just good and evil, but of ultimately giving yourself to a higher power. And it's something that is in and of itself rather religious, like Rabbi was saying.
Ian MalcolmAnd so these are not things that just happen. And Rabbi, I'd be curious for your thoughts on this. But, you know, while I believe that perhaps Lucas, was very methodical in incorporating the idea of the hero of a thousand faces and Joseph Campbell. And like you said, he even consulted with him when he was thinking through this story.
Ian MalcolmI think that the religion is, the reason these stories are all timeless is because they are tapping into something that much like religion is eternal, right? I think the Star Wars lore, just like the Odyssey of old or any of these other stories, perhaps even Christ, that they are... they resonate with us, even the way that a lot of these Disney cartoons, not of modernity, but those of the golden age of Disney going up through even the 90s, you know, the stories and the motivations and the, let's just loosely call it drama that you have within them, that they resonate with us in a way that's primitive that we might not necessarily understand, but because of the fact that it is the result of something that's within the authors that is tapping into something that's almost primordial.
@malleusigYeah, that's a really good segue into what I was going to jump on. The primal archetype is this arc. And it's even more primal than the hero. The primal archetype is person A enters into a story, suffers hardships, and then develops as a person as a result. That is the most important archetype in stories, myths, Movies, certainly.
@malleusigAnd it's ironic because one of the biggest criticisms of what became the Star Wars series was that the arc was completely gone with Rey. Rey's arc was corrupted. And she no longer changed as a person. You're supposed to start out as the fool archetype and, you know, end up as the wise old hero archetype or the wise old wizard, whatever.
@malleusigAnd she essentially just stayed the exact same thing throughout the entire movie. The arc was everyone else realizing how awesome she was, which is a complete inversion. And we know who likes to invert things, right? It was a complete inversion of the actual archetype. And in some way, I would actually see it as an attack on the viewing audience.
@malleusigThe last three Star Wars movies, I actually interpreted as an ideological or psychological attack on the viewing public. And we can have a discussion about that. But that's mainly for those reasons is because the classic psychological value that that kind of story would offer was completely inverted. And it seems to have been done so with the intent of...
@malleusigmessing with people psychologically.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and Rian Johnson, who made the second of those, I guess you'd call it the sequel trilogies, even said that, right? His claim was that he wanted to subvert expectations and obviously Mark Hamill in an interview referred to his character as Jake Skywalker because he said, if this isn't even the same person, this is a totally different character.
Ian MalcolmAnd so even he, and it's so funny because Mark Hamill, who obviously played the original Luke Skywalker and did in the later films as well, but he's an individual that loosely tied or directly tied to a lot of socially progressive ideals of today. He's out there on the front lines of woke modernity.
@malleusigHe's left-wing Twitter basic. He's like your basic aunt that gets on Twitter. That's exactly right.
Ian MalcolmAnd yet even he watched what they did to his character, and he was like, no, no, no, no, no. This is not the same person, right? And so it's very interesting because he would advocate for modernity, but then when he sees modernity weaponized against something that he holds near and dear to himself, because he, of course, portrayed the character, all of a sudden he's like, wait, I don't know about this.
Ian MalcolmBut before we get into all of that, and I do think it's worthwhile ultimately arriving there, so just in terms of the original – in terms of their theatrical releases. When you think of religion, right, I'm kind of curious, do you think of the Force as, especially as presented through those original films, do you think of the Force as being a religious concept?
Ian MalcolmIs it an ethos? And I ask this both because you've got the first film with Obi-Wan loosely teaching Luke about these things, and then you've got... the idea of Yoda, who has the very famous line, I think is one that you could pull up and we could listen to, but the idea that the force is everywhere, it's everything. And so I'm kind of curious how you kind of interpret that as, again, presented through the original films.
@malleusigRight, so this is, so again, so the first three films are probably the deepest films because of that. Because of the, it actually gets into something that borders on or like touches on morality that's applicable. The second three movies are just all about fucking midichlorians and selling toys and all this other happy horse shit that doesn't matter.
@malleusigIt doesn't have any psychological value at all. We already talked about the last three. The first three movies, though, they actually get into an exploration of the notion of good and evil. And the reason why it appealed to me, and I think it appealed to a lot of people, is that it gets into a notion, it gets into this idea of good and evil that is more primal
@malleusigthan this kind of like finger wagging more version of morality that we've had for the last you know envelopment for less a thousand and a half years in europe for example so we're taught that you know good people do good things and bad people do evil things and evil is when you kill someone uh except if you kill them after being ordered to do so by your government because you're a soldier and they're heathens that's totally okay
@malleusigBut killing is bad, right? But only when you kill someone and you're angry or like you're a really bad guy and you kill someone. So it's like we have all these weird kind of like halfway functional definitions of morality. And it's really been our weakness for a long time. And I think that one of the reasons Star Wars morality is so appealing is because it really looks like it's a way to...
@malleusigIt's an exploration of the concept of good and evil and an attempt... To rectify it and to find a better definition. Right. And I have my own definitions that I like better than even that. But that is what got me started on my way to find those. And I think for a lot of people, that was the reason Star Wars was so appealing was because it offered that kind of like out of nowhere.
@malleusigLike you don't expect to find this in a movie. You don't expect to find. um a more functional definition of the concept of good and evil than you'll get in your local cathedral in a in a movie right that surprised a lot of people and uh that has real value this idea that you know it's one you know at the the base level and the force is this analogy for a god or the creator and um the creator uh is is or expresses itself via the force and the force has two sides
@malleusigboth sides are equally the creator right but they there's one side is light one side is dark and this is um this goes back to uh chinese uh you know taoist mythology for example where light and dark were used not as not as value judgments but as ways to explain the qualities of this binary system that you know the taoist saw the world as existing within light was active
@malleusigand you know vibrant and and dark was passed i mean sorry active vibrant and male and dark was passive uh kind of less you know kind of waiting to receive and it was female um and those were not judgments on male and female people it was just basically was seen as female because it was receptive and the light was seen as male because it was you know active and giving out the same way that we call a
@malleusigplug and a receptor we have a male and a female plug because the male plug you know is giving something to the female plug it's not we're not saying that that's how we're gonna look at men and women but but again it deals with things in this much more primal and I would say explanatory way you know because there are no kind of like there's no footnotes on it you know our Christian morality has had so many footnotes tacked on to it
@malleusigeventually you lose the morality and the mess. And so in a way, the original Star Wars was, I think you can look at it as Lucas and Kazdan's attempt to clear up some of these and kind of like find a better definition for these concepts. But I'll stop there because I'm talking way too much.
Ian MalcolmNo, and isn't it interesting that the ideas that are presented there from either an ethos or a religion, this idea of light and dark, it's very black and white. right? The good and evil. And yet, to your point, both of them emanate from something, right? And so it is an interesting little piece because if you think about it, it's even, if you look at Christianity, right, you've got Jesus, but you've also got Lucifer or the devil or Satan, however you want to define that.
Ian MalcolmBoth of which are essentially constructs of the metagod, if you will, right? And this concept of good and evil or light and dark, the way that they infuse it into the original trilogy. It's so intricately done to make it very crystal clear that at the end of the day, everybody has a path to choose, right? And so I'm going to be very curious for your thoughts here because...
Ian MalcolmObviously, the first film, very obvious, Luke is the eternal optimistic good character, goes out, tries to do his best, finds Darth Vader, blows up the Death Star, yay, whippy, right? The second film, when you get to Yoda, I find it so fascinating because not only do you have this character that is supposed to essentially personify not just good, but essentially wisdom, but you also have this moment, the scene in the cave, right?
Ian MalcolmWhich is... It's fascinating because back to this idea of the shadow with Joseph Campbell, not only in this instance do you have Luke finding this little call to adventure, right? Which is basically he says he feels cold. And I'm probably going to pick this one a little bit too much apart, right? But he says that he feels this chill, this compulsion to examine something.
Ian MalcolmHe then decides that he wants to go and explore it. And Yoda says to him even, you will not need your weapons. Right, right. Take only yourself into it, right? And it's basically this idea that you bring- It looks like, no, no, no, I'm taking my shit with me. Yeah, exactly, yeah.
@malleusigHe looks at it, he's like, you're crazy. He like tightens his belt. I'm taking my space sword with me.
Ian MalcolmYeah, space sword's coming along, right? So he walks down and is exploring this little thing with his space sword, comes across, obviously, the idea of the shadow, which is Vader. But the thing that's so fascinating- in the way that they presented this, is kind of two things. Number one, in this scene, you've got the eternally good character, the eternally good light side and optimistic guy of Luke Skywalker.
Ian MalcolmAnd in the scene, he's the one who first draws his weapon, which just moments prior, Yoda had told him only for defense, right? And obviously, not only do they then have the duel, he then hits Vader, falls on the ground, and poof, off comes the mask, and it's him. And the thing, it's so perfectly done because in that moment, you see what he can become if he follows through this kind of darker path.
Ian MalcolmAnd the thing that's beautiful about it, of course, is the idea that, again, at any point in time, the good person can choose to take that next step that is in the wrong direction and vice versa. The person down the bad path can kind of go the opposite way, which I'm very curious for your thoughts on.
@malleusigAnd what was what was the trigger that led him down that path? See, it wasn't we always we kind of as humans, we kind of like we have the we have the the tendency to buy into this fallacy where we over evil, evil people like we always assume like, oh, evil people are evil just because they want to be evil. They enjoy being assholes.
@malleusigThey want to fuck people up. They all want to destroy the world. Right. And it's never actually that it's like what got him into that position was fear. It was fear that led him down the dark path and that kind of like mini arc that he had in the cave, right? Fear and like the desire to avoid suffering, I would say is what leads most people down the dark side, down the path to the dark side.
@malleusigIt's what leads, you know, the fear of not having enough, the fear of suffering, the fear of death is what creates Voldemort in the Harry Potter series, right? fear seems to be much more of a primal motivator towards the dark side than desire. Humans, we have this innate bias to look at evil people as homogeneously evil and kind of like twirling their mustaches, right?
@malleusigBecause of that reason, we think they're doing it all out of desire, desire to harm or hurt or greed or lust, right? We want to assert it to all these base desires because, well, to be quite honest, because that makes it easier for us to distance ourselves from them. Because we look at ourselves and we say, well, I don't want to rape people.
@malleusigI don't want to steal money. I don't want to subjugate the human race or destroy the earth. And so... I'm going to safely project these qualities onto the people that I believe are villains. Because if I were to assign the villain a motivation that I also share, that would put me way too close to possibly also being a victim.
@malleusigAnd that's hugely psychologically uncomfortable. And so I'm not going to do it. I'm going to go with, you know, twirling the mustache and tying the lady down. To the railroad tracks version of who that person is because it just makes me feel safer And I think this is relevant in what we're seeing with again I think the left is the left because of this the left has this Special brand of insanity that is endemic to them right now Because they want to look at every every everything that they want to change as a social evil social evils must be
@malleusigoutsized evils they must be a caricature of evil because if they're not they have to face the possibility that they could be evil too and because they blow up and inflate the evilness of these things that they have decided are evils which usually are not evils at all but like again we're on this journey with them right because they've done that their reaction to it is so over so outsized they become the villains in everyone else's story and justifiably so
@malleusigAnd so that's I mean, that's a whole other discussion. We can definitely have that here. But this is this is one of the ways that I really think we can tie this into what's happening around us today is the psychological process that we we've been that we buy into naturally. And we've been encouraged to buy into even more because of the way movies are constructed.
@malleusigbecause movies will buy into this entirely because movies don't want to make you uncomfortable they want you to come back and watch more movies so they're not going to show you villains that challenge your idea about what a villain is they're going to give you villains that you can buy into immediately and be like oh yeah that guy oh yeah he killed six million people just because he wanted to kill them and he froze them and put them in a freezer and broke them and then he had them done going on a death roller coaster and all this other shit and he was he hated animals and he was a drug addict
@malleusigAnd he probably beat his mother. It's like they just want to give you an oversized villain to use as a psychological punching bag. It doesn't have any real world value. If anything, it destroys the real world when taken to its logical conclusion. But anyway, so we're talking about Star Wars. So do you want to go through and play the clip of Yoda?
@malleusigexplaining the force before we go on? Or are we past that?
Ian MalcolmYeah, I think it'd be great. And look, I'm sure it's something that a lot of people are familiar with. But nonetheless, I think when you hear it through this thought process and that this is not just entertainment, but rather is symbolic of something far larger and perhaps infusing something that has really made this the cultural icon that it is.
Ian MalcolmAnd when we really think about it, the reason that people today It doesn't matter if they're 10, 20, 30, 50, 70 years old. The reason that people still want to go to the Disneyland parks to go see the Star Wars exploration, let's call it. I think Galaxy's Edge, I think, is the name of it, right? The reason that they want to do that is not because...
Ian Malcolmof the space lasers and the laser swords and the stormtrooper costumes. It's because they're tapping into... Yeah, the midichlorians. They're tapping into something that is part of their understanding of good and evil, right and wrong, and perhaps even of religious tenets that they are not only interested in further exploring, but rather they feel extremely connected to.
Ian MalcolmAnd so it really does set... kind of a cultural zeitgeist and an understanding of good and evil in a way that we can't necessarily comprehend. And so while you're getting that clip ready, Rabbi, I'm kind of curious, since we've got so many wonderful panelists here, I just want to check in with Adam, if he's got a second, and see, Adam, are we maybe crazy for picking this apart as much as we are?
Ian MalcolmIs this just a silly, you know, action space adventure film, or is this something that perhaps you can relate to?
Speaker 2No, I think it's worth picking apart. I think it's... the defining narrative of our world. Rebels and the establishment, the man and the outcasts, terrorism and counter-terrorism, resisting power, the power of the states, government overreach, totalitarianism. It's something that's becoming even more relevant for us in the West because we've been insulated from these things because we've exported it.
Speaker 2our empire has exported it for all of our lives. So, you know, from our births until now, we haven't really had to come to terms or come to grips with these things. These were just, you know, abstract concepts that we saw in things like Star Wars, for example. You know, I remember watching it as a kid, but now these concepts are more applicable to our lives, everything that's going on.
Speaker 2You know, as we become adults, you know, I think we're all kind of similar ages, you know, and have become more concerned about the world, you know, become people who want to take care of our communities and our families. You know, again, it's really, really important to know these things. So, yeah, I think it is really important.
Speaker 2I think it is a conversation worth having, which is why I was happy to join and looking forward to it.
Speaker 2I think it's a shame that people watch movies like Star Wars and it's so clear to them who the villains are and what right is and what wrong is. And then when the exact same things happen in real life, then they fall for the propaganda and they side with the Empire. It's like the Empire called them terrorists. Rebel scum.
@malleusigThat's that's the thing like like Star Wars one of the ways you can look at is is meta propaganda because Star Wars is It's basically World War two in space right and like they even have the same like the costumes are even made to look like the costumes of like the uniforms of some of the people in like even the guns look like World War two era like Han Solo's gone, right It's it's almost obscenely World War two in space
@malleusigAnd one of the reasons I think it was made is because it addresses our hunger as people that were born, like whole generations of people that were born too late to participate in a righteous war, right? Which is this kind of like we have this hunger as Americans because we say to ourselves, all the good wars have been fought already.
@malleusigAnd so Star Wars comes along and gives you an ability to participate in a reenactment of what was sold to us as like the last righteous war, especially after things like Vietnam. And that's a real psychological need for Americans. But the punchline, of course, is we're finding out now World War II wasn't anywhere near as righteous as we've been told it was.
@malleusigSo it's really a false desire. And at the end, it serves as this kind of like meta propaganda because Star Wars reinforces the constructed World War II narrative in the minds of children who then grow up as adults whose minds have been primed to accept the constructed World War II narrative. You see what I'm saying? So it acts almost like it's a gateway drug to the World War II, like the myth about what happened in World War II.
Speaker 2Yeah, it also parallels Vietnam because I remember seeing a interview between James Cameron and George Lucas. You might have seen the clip as well on X. It goes around from time to time. And James Cameron was talking about asymmetric warfare. Um, and you were like, you know, the good guys, the rebels, you know, they're against the outnumbered outmanned against this, you know, this big enemy.
Speaker 2And, and, you know, today, and he said what we said, basically, he's like today, you call, you call those guys a terrorists today. You know, and George Lucas was like, yeah, when I, when I did it, they were the Viet Cong, you know, that, that was, that was the whole point, you know? So I think, uh, yeah, it was around the time of the Vietnam war when it came out.
Speaker 2Right. So I think it was also critique right after it. There you go. So it was 78. Yeah. So it's a critique, it seems, of that as well, because it is those narratives that we fall for. And I don't know if you'll get to it later on in the conversation, but like Andor, for example, I don't know how you guys feel about it, because I've learned recently that some people think it's very lib-coded, because there was some, I don't know, some scene that was controversial.
Speaker 2Oh, everything.
@malleusigEverything that's come out of Star Wars for the past 10 years has been extremely lib-coded, if not outright.
Speaker 2I'll agree with you on that, but I feel like Andor itself was a brilliant work of art. It was a literary masterpiece, in my opinion. I feel like it was expertly done in terms of character development, plot, and the social commentary. Philosophically sound, it was something that gave me a lot of insights. That's interesting.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I recommend watching it. I recommend watching it for sure. It really goes back to the roots of the first three movies, you know, because it doesn't center around, like you said, midichlorians and space wizards. It doesn't actually have Jedis in it at all, actually, really. It really is centered around the whole, you know, rebelling against the Empire, really.
Speaker 2It's about the formation of the rebellion. But yeah, it's... Yeah, I think it resonates with what he said about the Viet Cong and stuff and asymmetrical warfare.
@malleusigYeah, and also one of the reasons why I'm tempted to buy into this crazy conspiracy theory about Jewish control of Hollywood and the idea that they have everything planned out decades in advance is how Star Wars was co-opted and taken away from this, you know, it was turned into like a communist story. And it was right before, you know, it was like a decade before the, it was like a decade before what happened in Gaza.
@malleusigwhat's happening in gaza like the palestinians are so clearly the resistance and israel is so obviously the empire right you can even make the argument like hold on a second was star wars taken apart and deconstructed specifically to weaken the connection in the minds of the american viewing public between the ragtag band of rebels getting their asses pounded by this huge overfunded you know weapons-heavy empire
@malleusigbecause i just want to have something really quick yeah yeah the empire the the letters in darth vader um chess are in hebrew so oh don't even get me okay you've done it now joanne all right so so seriously darth vader darth vader is is america okay darth vader is literally america with the hebrew spell like he's like the golem right
@malleusigHe's like the golem with like this box in his chest with Hebrew letters that basically activate him and turn him into the service of the Jewish diaspora or like global Judaism, which is the emperor. OK, and then what happens? Right. Global Judaism has a champion. It has a golem that it uses to control everything else. And Vader wasn't the first one.
@malleusigWhat the emperor does is this. He basically gets one or two at a time, and he has them fight it out to see which one is stronger, and then he uses the one that's won, and he kills the one that he no longer needs, okay? So who was the first golem? It was fucking England, right? And then America got stronger, and they were like, oh, the empire's like, oh, now America's our golem, and then that's Vader.
@malleusigIf you look at the videos, look at the movies in that sense, it starts to make a lot more sense. Like you have, you know, the emperor is this archetype of Judaism or global Judaism or, you know, Jews. Jews as not a religion, but Jews as a global mafia, right? That's how it really makes sense. And then Vader is America.
@malleusigWe're kind of like the muscle right now. Um, and then I'll get into this later, but then the whole thing about the prequels, you know, where it's like, you know, one of these, one of these Jedi symbolized Germany, I'll leave it as an exercise for listening to try and figure out which one until I show you my video. Um, and then, and we see what happens after that.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, I was going to say, we'll, we'll get to the prequels because what's so interesting is I feel like the original trilogy, again, chronologically in terms of the release, uh, does a lot on the religion side. And then when we get to the prequels, The politics of them, and we'll certainly have to tap into this, the entire concept, for example, the phantom menace, that's a little teaser of where we're going, and what that means to be a menace and a phantom.
Ian MalcolmWhat are those words? And the world that we see around us, it is that to a T, and we'll go through kind of the political backstory there.
@malleusigI'm convinced that... Oh, sorry, sorry. I just want to say that really quick. I'm convinced that the prequels where George Lucas is kind of like... You know how the Vietnam vets were blinking in Morse code when they were giving interviews because they weren't able to speak freely? The prequels are like George Lucas trying to pass a secret message to the viewers about how he's being held hostage.
Ian MalcolmInteresting. And we'll have to we're going to get to those and the prequels and the politics of it, which I think are they're pretty in your face and overt. And I think we'll have a couple of clips that will really play that out. But let's check in really quickly, just because I know that we've had a couple of people in here.
Ian MalcolmWe've got the force with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anything that's been brought up past or in the present dialogue here while Rabbi gets that clip ready? Mr. Force, any thoughts?
Speaker 3hey ian uh thank you for having me on this appreciate it i'm not sure how i found it but good to be here um yeah so you talk about the force i think it was one of the recent star wars where it was like the force awakens right because people have forgotten about this thing the force a lot of us today don't even think it's real it's especially guys like elon musk right peter teal very materialistic you know they're only focused on video games and what's going on in the material world they're focused on the code of the matrix
Speaker 3but not the generator of the code, okay? So when we talk about what is reality, right? In the East, you know, I came back to Jesus through the East, like Ian Malcolm, even that's why I loved his character from Jurassic Park. He's very logical, mathematician. That's what I always loved. I love logic, you know, and God gave us the gift of logic to use.
Speaker 3And so I found Jesus again through the East, kind of like George Harrison did. He actually died a Christian, but a guy, Paramhansa Yogananda, right? And then his guru, Sri Yukteswar, who's actually on the cover of Sgt. Pepper's, he's in the upper left. Thanks to George Harrison, he got top billing over Aleister Crowley, who's right to the right of him.
Speaker 3Crowley's like the new John Dee, right? Queen Elizabeth's top advisor who develops Enochian magic using an Aztec obsidian spirit mirror to communicate with fallen angels, allegedly. You know, Lucifer and all them. All these scumbags and losers. And that's where they got this plan for this AI tyranny. Great, good for them.
Speaker 3So the force is real. You talk about what is matter, right? What is matter? Matter is mind. That's what they know. They all practice cabal and stuff, but it's all the hermetic principles. Nikola Tesla, he had it right. You look at an atom, right? It's mostly empty space. There's electrons floating in between space, in between the matters.
Speaker 3There's nothing real that's actually solid. It's not moving. It's not changing. So matter is mind. matter itself, this whole world is generated by God's mind. That's what Yogananda says, and his teacher wrote The Holy Science. Sri Yukshar talks about the cycles. I'm pretty convinced there's 24,000 year cycles going on.
Speaker 3The last one ended pretty bad. Atlantis. This is an excerpt from Manly P. Hall. He ended up becoming a 30-30 re-mason. I don't think a lot of the free masons even know what they're into with the Luciferianism stuff, but he wrote The Secret Teaching of All Ages. quote, under the evil insinuations of their demon, the Atlantis race became a nation of wicked magicians.
Speaker 3In consequence of this, war was declared, the story of which would be too long to narrate. Its substance may be found in whatever, blah, blah. Now, one of my favorite shows is Lost, and you guys were talking about even Taoism earlier. The logo for Dharma Initiative, I don't know if anyone else caught this. First of all, Damon Lindelof's a genius, love his work.
Speaker 3But the logo was the earlier heaven sequence from Taoism. right, and something in the middle, but then you saw Jesus all around that show, right? And then even Christian Shepard, it was almost a joke, brought them in at the end. Now, Nikola Tesla's buddy, Walter Russell, had an enlightenment experience, and he actually developed a lot of cool free energy stuff that, of course, the military hid and all that, but... And Nikola Tesla respected him a lot.
Speaker 3He said, yeah, you hide your stuff away. The people aren't ready for this. Hide it away for thousands of years, but... Here's a quote from Walter Russell. He wrote the Universal One, one of his big books. Here's a quote from him, though. Jesus, the Nazarene, knew the universal language of light in all its fullness. He knew the ecstasy of inner thinking as no man has ever known it.
Speaker 3He knew the structure of the atom as no one before or since has known it. Jesus knew the universality of all things, the oneness of all things. He gave that knowledge to the then dull-witted, brutal, lustful, loveless world. and his much-needed message of brotherly love. Jesus gave to man the one great message of all time.
Speaker 3He taught the universality of all things and the white light of the universal one of impartial love, whatever. All right, and he said of all mystics, Jesus was the outstanding example of all time. He was the only one in all history to have known complete cosmic conscious unity with God. And he also says... When Jesus said, I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now, he referred, this is Walter Russell talking, he referred to his complete knowledge of the universal force, okay?
Speaker 3Now, you heard Mel Gibson on Joe Rogan. He went to like Asia. Some Chinese dude was like doing medicine with him, literally threw him up against the wall using allegedly the force. Now, in the East, they call it chi, right? Taoism and all that. When I started getting into Taoism stuff, I'm like, this is what Jesus was talking about, dissolving the ego, right?
Speaker 3Becoming, see, what Jesus is the opposite of Lucifer. Jesus is love thy neighbor. That's the philosophy. And it's becoming one with the actual God. Luciferianism, that's what like the Rothschilds with their Apollo temples and all that. And, you know, posing with Marina Abramovich in front of the Satan summoning his legions.
Speaker 3They're into black magic and witchcraft. That's the seal of Solomon. That's on the Israeli flag. They put it there. It's on black magic and witchcraft books. One of them by Alistair Crowley called Lesser Key of Solomon.
@malleusigCan I just jump in? Oh, yeah, go ahead. again i think a lot of what you're saying has merit and is actually true but we're getting into this kind of like thing where it's like we're talking about everything at the same time and you you've introduced 15 different threads um can you try and like because i want to make sure we get everybody can we kind of like nail it down into into one point yeah basically um we need to reconnect with this force all right and you know i think
Speaker 3Jesus is very powerful. I posted in the Purple Pill. MIA had a vision of Jesus. He looked really tough. She said he didn't look like a wimp. He's ready to kick some ass. So we've got to reconnect with the force, and that's it. And the worst guys, the Rothschilds, you talk about who's got them. Come on. They bailed out the bank in England 1825.
Speaker 3You had Lynn Rothschild sold Ghislaine Maxwell, her townhouse in Manhattan in 2000, when she lived in the 2015, at a huge discount. Alan Dershowitz brags all the time, oh, the Rothschilds introduced me to Jeffrey Epstein.
@malleusigNow we're going down one of those tangents again. Let's try and pull back from that.
Speaker 3No, that's it. I'm just saying, but they clearly worship Lucifer, and so we should probably have an ally on our side. That's all I'm saying.
@malleusigYeah, no, it's like if I had a nickel for every time we had a discussion about the Rothschilds that have enough money to buy the Star Wars franchise at this point. But no, totally. So that's good. Let's go to Andy and then Michael, and then we'll go back to Ian.
Speaker 4Yeah, I was just going to make an analogy about the prequels, because at the beginning of the prequels, they're like, oh, the Sith are just a legend. They're like, they don't really exist. And that's a lot of people when we bring up the JQ. They're like, it's not real. They don't exist. Oh, the Rothschilds used to have power 200 years ago, but they don't exist.
Speaker 4Like, I bring up the Rothschilds to my dad, and he literally is like, oh, they used to have power 200 years ago, but they don't anymore. like that's kind of the analogy with the Sith at the beginning of the prequels where they're like, Oh, there don't really aren't around anymore. They might've died off and they didn't.
Speaker 4And that's kind of what we have to do. We have to wake people up to the reality of the JQ slash the Sith.
@malleusigYeah. There's definitely different parallels with, and again, one of the, if we get to talk about the prequels, cause you know, one of the, one of the reasons I think Luke has had to encode the messaging in those three movies was because the Sith is did not go away they simply learned how to hide their existence much more effectively and because of that they can control much more effectively and uh and yeah it's the whole phantom menace right uh michael oh hey gang uh i'm by no means a star wars aficionado so i'll just keep this general what a fascinating conversation though and uh
Speaker 5So it seems to me that what was going on here, at least the first trilogy, from what I've read about the movie, the trilogy, rather than really being a real fan of the work, I just haven't been that interested. But it seems to me that what Lucas was trying to get at was a kind of ecumenical, pan-religious,
Speaker 5sense, you know, a kind of unifying sense of the metaphysical. As your previous guest, not the one who last spoke, but the penultimate guest who said that, in fact, it's the metaphysical that's being addressed here by the force. I think it's not necessarily some sort of a physical energy. and it seems to me that it also has a variability depending on who it's affecting or who is tapping into it uh so the other thing i would say is that uh there's like a like a secular a secular a secularism to this because uh he's more or less uh divesting uh
Speaker 5the force of any kind of identity that anyone would recognize as the as like their own belief system and their own faith uh in any of the major religions that is that that's that's the only other thing i would say so and it was kind of like a stealth operation that he snuck in there if indeed it becomes a parable for jewish power that's an interesting uh question thanks
@malleusigAt a certain point, it does. When we get the prequels, we can definitely talk about that. I think we're going to stick with the first three first, and maybe spend another 25 minutes on that, and then we'll get into the prequels. We definitely have some parallels to Jewish Power there. Let's see. Ian, you want to go to Adam and Gen Z Patriot, and then we'll go back to you and me, I guess?
Ian MalcolmYeah, and we'll pull up that clip and then continue forward because I think what we'll do is go from that clip and this idea of kind of the option that you choose your next step in which direction, whether it's the light or the dark side of the tunnel that you want to pursue down. And we'll kind of pivot that towards the return of the Jedi and the ethos that's built into that with selflessness and all these other pieces.
Ian MalcolmBut yeah, let's go to Gen Z real quick and then we'll check in with Mr. Adam again before we go to that clip. Cool.
Speaker 6What's up, guys? Ian, Joanne, Rabbi, also Space. Everyone from Post to Space, because I think this is one of these kind of white pill conversations that we all might need right now. Ian, you brought up Harry Potter earlier, and I couldn't help but just start cracking up just because you're a little conflict earlier today on the timeline, but all good.
Speaker 6But I think this conversation is so important. I was kind of late to the Star Wars movies. I didn't really even start watching them until I was maybe like 23 years old. I got to see it from a more mature lens, I guess, than maybe when I was like five or six. And I think right now where we're at in America and even, you know, internationally, we're at this pivotal point where there's a lot of anger built up, kind of like Anakin, right?
Speaker 6Like there's a lot of betrayal. And I don't want to jump forward. So if I jump forward, just cut me off with the Revenge of the Sith movie. You know, that's my favorite one. And at the end of it, you know, I think that's one of the most powerful scenes and one maybe of almost any movie ever. Right. When it's when it's him and it's his wife and then Obi-Wan's there, they fight.
Speaker 6And like the dialogue is so powerful because, you know, you can visibly see Anakin just dealing with all these different emotions. And I think that's almost like where we are is like a world. Like that's where we are is like a planet right now. It's like it's so easy to tap into that hatred right now. And I think that's what's, that for me is what Star Wars is so prevalent.
Speaker 6It's like, there's so many emotions and Anakin is such a case study. And I think that's where we need to be. And we need to just stay on the side of, you know, God, because he had every right to be angry. And I think, you know, we do too. So, you know, we just have to stay on the side of God, but yeah, great space. Everyone repost it.
Speaker 6And I'm excited to learn.
Ian Malcolmyou know absolutely we get to the uh... that the prequels will will go through the politics there and then also that that conclusion is going to be an interesting piece to to discuss this very idea of the the jq and and what do people do once they recognize that perhaps they've been bamboozled by a system that they thought
Ian Malcolmcared for them, but maybe had some other interests in mind, right? And so we'll get to that, and I think it'll be very relevant with how we come out of this space and all go back to our lives and try and live them in a way that's righteous and in line with the good. And with that being said, Mr. Adam, any thoughts here on kind of the original trilogy and where we're going here with Luke and Yoda and the cave idea?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I think... The original trilogy was great. And can you refresh my memory on the Ewoks? What planet were they from again?
@malleusigWho were they supposed to represent? Endor, not Andor. That was Endor.
Speaker 2Yeah, Endor, right? Is that what they were? And did they destroy the planet of the Ewoks again?
@malleusigNo, no, no, no. Endor was fine. So the Ewoks lived on a moon of Endor, right? Yeah. And what's interesting is Endor is from the Old Testament. It's the name of a witch. If you go back to the Bible, Endor was the name of a witch in the Old Testament. So again, that's another connection for people to explore. There was a lot of encoded Judaism in the Star Wars movies.
@malleusigBut no, they didn't destroy it. They were going to. because they were going to destroy the room because there was a rebel base on it, and I hope I'm not spoiling it for anyone that hasn't seen Return of the Jedi yet, but they were able to destroy the Death Star before they were able to do that.
Speaker 2Okay, alright. I was just wondering about that, couldn't remember, but thank you. So what I was going to say about the original trilogy is that it's like the ultimate critique against neoconservatism, imperialism, and it makes sense, so it's very applicable to modern day, you know, because Death Star is like an equivalent of like a drone strike or an F-35.
Speaker 2And it's all about, you know, a rapacious empire that decides, you know, they're going to bring order and justice and civility to the empire, to the galaxy. And they're going to do it at the end of blasters and an army and superior firepower. And, you know, it's simply because it makes rights. The movie critiques that, and it's about lying about your enemy.
Speaker 2Andor, which I know you haven't seen, but I recommend, it really goes into more detail about how you sell propaganda and create propaganda to villainize your enemy. As the movie was intended as a critique on the propaganda against the Viet Cong, at that time there was countless propaganda calling them baby-killing mass rapists.
Speaker 2Same as what they did with Libya. They were like, oh, there's mass rape armies going around. And same with what they did with 40 beheaded babies in Israel. You know, there's always this, you know, the mass rapes as well. They always say mass rapes and killing babies. And people believe it. And people believe it. And this is how they manufacture consent.
@malleusigAnd it's usually them going through their diary about what they did 20, no, 80 years ago, too. It's not even just them making it up. They're pulling out chapters from their diary of what they did to other people.
Speaker 2Every accusation is a confession. Yeah.
@malleusigYeah, I agree with that. What are the chances that a culture that believes you can transfer your sins to a chicken and kill it would also engage in the same thing at a macro level, where you transfer your sins, your own sins, to your intended victims before you kill them.
Speaker 2That's what they've been doing for eight years at least. Even the baked babies in ovens, there's stories of them doing that to Palestinian children, Palestinian children being burned alive in ovens. And so right now with the Venezuela stuff, people are falling... Falling for it again, assuming very naively, in my opinion, that our government, sorry, your government, our governments of the West, all of our governments, they don't work for us.
Speaker 2They work for the same powers. Our governments are not beholden to us. Whether it's the UK or Europe or America, maybe even the rest of the world, but especially in the West, our governments are Zionists. They're Zog governments, so they're not serving our interests. So when the Death Star destroys the planets and you celebrate it like it's a victory for yourself, it's not a victory for you.
Speaker 2It's a victory for Palpatine. It's a victory for Vader. It's a victory for members of the Sith. But it's not a victory for the citizens of the Empire because it creates a galaxy that is even more unjust and immoral. And I think Lord of the Rings, because you mentioned that in the title, it covers the morality, right and wrong better.
Speaker 2But celebrating the crack of your master's whip isn't the alpha move that is being sold as by an unfortunate amount of people who really should know better. So I think it's a very timely conversation actually to have about Star Wars and Lord of the Rings because these things are happening in real time. Again, same with Greenland, same with Greenland stuff.
Speaker 2Because who's going to benefit from Greenland? We've recently found out Ronald Lauder, the president of the World Jewish Organization. the World Jewish Federation, whatever the fuck, that organization that's always threatening to criminalize anti-Semitism and penalize anti-Semites worldwide and talking about global domination, like their words, not mine.
Speaker 2You know, the president of the organization and, you know, a fierce scientist and supporter of Israel financially and politically, you know, has one of the biggest contracts for Greenland, you know, as well as other various Trump donors. Um, you know, so it's, it's really a free for all for them, a looting spree for them.
Speaker 2And then they create the propaganda, um, to give into that those, those rebels scum deserve it. You know, we are the great empire and, you know, our win is your win, but it's not, it's not your win, you know, a brother, a brother war between America and NATO, American Greenland or Europe, you know, cause you know, UK and, uh,
Speaker 2The UK and Germany are discussing increasing their troop presence there to defend against it. This massive brother war would not be in the best interest of any citizen of the West, American or European. I definitely wouldn't support that. So Star Wars, it was about Vietnam, but they keep replaying the same tricks. And it's disappointing people fall for it again because it really is the tried and true CIA, State Department,
Speaker 2propaganda of, you know, neoconservatism is based actually, like they're dirty commies, they're dirty liberals. I saw Glenn Beck saying we're protecting Denmark, which is 90% whites, from becoming an Islamic caliphate. Greenland is 0% Muslim and I think the only Muslim that lives there has his own Wikipedia page because there's only one guy that lives there.
Speaker 2You know, they're trying all the slop that, you know, we should all know better about by now, but the MAGA rights and unfortunately some people who call themselves America First recently have been, you know, kind of swallowing it hotline and sinker and parroting it. So I feel, yeah, it's good to have a reminder. It's a timely reminder for people that the empire isn't fighting for us.
Speaker 2You know, asymmetric warfare isn't just. And propaganda is constant and we shouldn't really trust our governments. And war is bad. Really? Yeah, I think that's a minority opinion. Yeah, you'd think it wasn't, right? But the past few weeks or since this year, basically, has just been quite shocking for me how many people have kind of abandoned their...
Speaker 2staunch anti-neoconservatism. But I digress. I digress from all that. We're going to get away from the topic. Yeah, I don't want to get away from the topic. So yeah, Star Wars is very based in its analysis of imperialism, neoconservatism, and all that good stuff. Thank you.
@malleusigIt is. Okay, let's do this real quick. I'll play the clip because it's just been sitting there for 20 minutes. And then we will go from there. Sound good?
@malleusigLet's do it real quick. Yoda.
Speaker 7Master, moving stones around is one thing. This is totally different. No. No different. Only different in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned. All right. I'll give it a try. No. Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Speaker 1No.
@malleusigYo, he's like, that fucking bitch, man. This guy. He can't do anything right. He's like, I gotta do it myself now. I can't.
Speaker 7It's too big. Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And where you should not. For my ally is the force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it. Makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us. And binds us. Luminous beings though. Not this crude matter. You must feel the force around you.
Speaker 1Here.
Speaker 7Between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 7Even between the land and the ship.
Speaker 8You want the impossible.
@malleusigI'll stop it here because the rest of it is just basically sound effects and like, you know, r2d2 beeping while he raises the ship and but uh like that that part where he says luminous beings are we not this mere matter right this is for me one of the best lines because he's talking about how the ultimate reality is not this right this is not the ultimate reality we have a more fundamental layer of reality that this is a temporary layer over right and um
@malleusigthat that gets ignored a lot i think that that line needs to be focusing on more uh because it really is it goes be it goes beyond it goes beyond the story about good and evil and now gets into um things like you know what people have talked about after having a near-death experience for example about how after you die the world you exist in is is more real than what you have now right so well and isn't it also
Ian Malcolma very fitting set of lines because there's the religion that's built in there, obviously. And I do think the way that he describes, it gives me goosebumps even just hearing the audio, right? Because the way that he's describing the world and how we're all interconnected. And if I think of... this application. I think, Rabbi, you've made this joke in the past, right, that ultimately we're going to win.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think you said, rather jokingly, you said, because we've got friendship, right, which sounds kind of silly, right?
@malleusigThe power of friendship, exactly.
Ian MalcolmThe power of friendship. But the truth of the matter is that we're not motivated merely by the physical, by the material. There's something else that we're ultimately striving for in these conversations and in this space and even this idea of looking to literature and some kind of higher power that we can take from it.
Ian MalcolmAnd that that ultimately is why we will be able to band together and to create something that eternally can oppose anything. And that's why I threw up the little heart emoji when he made that comment. about judge me by my size. And I feel like the thing that we are in opposition to, it has all the size. It has all the might.
Ian MalcolmIt has all the money. It has all the everything. It has the propaganda, right? But we have the truth.
@malleusigAnd we're allied with the force.
Ian MalcolmThat's what I was going to go with this, right? Our ally is essentially the force. It's the truth. Is that the things that we are saying, we're looking at the world accurately. We're defining it accurately. And all of the bullets in the Apache helicopters, it can't change. a lie into the truth, right? If we merely hold that truth up, it's something that's eternal.
Ian MalcolmSo they can judge us by our size and we might be small and we're in these smaller conversations. We don't have, you know, the death star that is the mainstream media or ownership of all of these social media networks. But we have that truth and that truth becomes far bigger than anything or everything that they could possibly throw at us as long as we're willing to stand up and to speak it, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd in a way, that becomes that fighter, the X-Wing, that he lifts out of the bog. We are doing the impossible. Because if you had have said to us just two or three years ago that we were going to be able to create a movement that would ultimately bring attention to, let's say, Jewish supremacy, that would have a larger and larger chunk every day of people saying, wait, why are we going to the Middle East again?
Ian MalcolmWhat is the benefit of that? Maybe the television is lying to us, right? Their Death Star that is totalitarian ownership of essentially every screen is starting to have those cracks because we're able to do the impossible as Luke would suggest, you know?
@malleusigYeah.
Ian MalcolmYeah.
@malleusigAnd it goes to like that, that I, that whole line of, you know, powerful allies of the force, um, that's, that should resonate with Muslims too, because there's a line in the Quran that says essentially the same thing. It says, God is the best of planners, right? So you're allying yourself with God and it's like, it doesn't matter how
@malleusigWily or skillful your enemies are God is always going to be more wily and more skillful And so align yourself with God is the best way to do things, right? And you're dealing with you're dealing with people that since time immemorial have They they've thought oh, we're so clever because we know things like there's this whole idea of like you get into Kabbalistic Judaism and they talk about how they recognize the laws of karma and
@malleusigand that's where things come from like in the old testament where they have you know not just trying to kill jesus but literally all of their prophets and i think the way they tried to kill the prophet jeremiah was they were like we can't kill him outright because that would be a sin and that would bring judgment down on us so instead we're gonna like technically not kill him
@malleusigBut we're going to put into this big jar that he can't get out of and he's just going to starve. And so it won't be our fault. It's like you tie somebody up and don't feed them. Technically, you haven't killed them. They've committed suicide by going on a hunger strike. Right. And it's like it's this whole idea, this whole pattern you see where it's like, you know, in the Old Testament, too.
@malleusigI think someone made a really good meme about it once where it's like the Old Testament is a story about Jews technically. not breaking any of god's laws and then god technically not smutting them in return right and it's like it's like the idea is like it's like well no if we get the romans to kill jesus then technically we haven't killed him and then god's like well okay fine but you got the romans i'm gonna get the romans to kill you then i'm not gonna smite you directly i'm gonna get the romans to smite you and then technically i haven't done it either right and it always bites them in the ass and it's gonna bite them in the ass with this too
@malleusigYou know, but yeah, that's, that's, it's just crazy.
Speaker 8Can I add something?
@malleusigSure. Of course.
Speaker 8Hi guys. I just came to the space. I don't know what you already talked about, but I think I have some interesting things to add. Yeah.
Ian MalcolmAnd Oliver, just to, just to, to, to ground you kind of where we are because so going through kind of the, the, the lore here in the story and the religion or ethos that's in it. And so right now we're kind of focusing on the original trilogy and we're right there in the Empire Strikes Back with that idea of the cave. And we're going to go to the prequel trilogy and some of the politics and kind of the ethos of that portion after.
Ian MalcolmSo just wanted to kind of give you that frame of reference in case that's helpful for you.
Speaker 8Yeah, thank you. I want to address the force. This was also in the clip you showed. Because I theorize in my book that the force is also in the Bible. it's an interesting thing it's in the new testament in romans 13 everybody thinks they they are talking about the government there because it was wrongly translated i give you for example the the new geneva translation everyone should submit to the government of the state in which they live for all state authority comes from god and every government is established by god
Speaker 8That's the reading which most Christians have now, that they are talking about the government. But I found out the word they are using there is exousia. And this is a spiritual power like the force in Star Wars. I think maybe they know that. I think they have some background in that, the producers and the writers. So the real translation would be every soul has unique powers because there is no other power except through God.
Speaker 8So this Romans 13 doesn't confirm that you have to listen to the government or obey to the government. And curiously enough, I had a professor, theologian professor here in my resort. He came just when I pondered on the question and he wrote a book about Romans and he told me he's fluent and he speaks Old Greek and he confirmed to me that my translation is also possible.
Speaker 8So Star Wars is talking about a force that that the New Testament is also talking about.
Speaker 2Is this related to the break from Catholicism into Protestants? Sorry, I'm sick.
Speaker 8Not really. When the church became the state church, they changed the meanings of the words so that they can say, okay, the Pope says you have to listen to this king and so on. That's why the meaning.
Speaker 2And the work of Martin Luther? Did he mention any of this as well?
Speaker 8Yeah, it's his translation also. His translation is also bad. It's already bad. And it's clear that he was against the government because the disciples broke out of jail. They say you have to listen to God more than to man. So he was basically a libertarian. Professor Recktenwald might like this. And I prove it and I show it with the original text.
Speaker 8It's a little bit more complicated. I have the whole thing worked out and I analyze the whole passage. There are many other words, but that would be too complicated for now. I will make a video in the future about that.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's not about the government there, right? It's about like the church, no? Or is it something different?
Speaker 8No, no, it's the government. I mean, the whole church always justifies any government, which is strange because then you would have to also justify every dictator like Stalin or anybody else because they say you always have to listen to the authorities, which is not logical. But the church has always said that you have to listen to whoever is in charge.
Speaker 8And that, of course, doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's a similar debate also. In Islam, I've seen some scholars argue about this, especially in the Gulf states. I'm not too cleared up on it, though. But yeah, I'm aware it's something there. But I've always been very anti-establishment.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and let's check in really quickly, Rabbi, with Dr. Rechtenwald, because I know he was mentioned there. And also just to make sure, Dr. Rechtenwald, Oliver, who we connected to over in Germany, wonderful mind, very aware of the JQ, actually spent a number of months imprisoned for some of the activism that he's been doing on this front, trying to bring attention to these issues.
Ian MalcolmAnd so not sure if you guys are familiar with one another, but love to make this introduction here as well.
Speaker 8I am. I wanted to ask him for an interview in the following days anyways.
Speaker 5It's great to meet you, Oliver, and thank you for the introduction, Ian. Yeah, I mean, this has been one of the contentions. Of course, I'm an anarchist, an anarcho-capitalist. That's my political philosophy, as I think Oliver knows. Now, I have nothing to do with my PAC. I just want to say that, that as a PAC does not endorse any political ideology at that level, except for anti-Zionism.
Speaker 5Speaking of which, I guess I will report back a little bit about this debate, if you don't mind. Is that okay, Rabbi and Ian?
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course.
Speaker 5Okay, so... I tried to be, you know, I tried to steal myself against all of the, you know, double speed gaslighting, Hasbro and, you know, sophistry that I was about to engage, you know, I was about to be confronted with. And, you know, I thought I had pretty much handled that. I had. know i treated i went into this debate like it was going to be jujitsu with the zionists because you know they're going to lie they're going to squirm they're going to change the topic that they're going to use the bottom martin bailey uh techniques you know advancing a strong argument then retreating to a weaker one and acting as if it's the same thing all this kind of stuff all these games no you know no straightforward argumentation and what i got was
Speaker 5a sort of Ben Shapiro imitation of like mumbling all kinds of, to me, utterly incoherent. It may as well have been in Hebrew or Yiddish or something. I had no idea what the hell he was saying. And he was making all of these bizarre statements that were pretending to be like statistics. But they really weren't statistics.
Speaker 5And then he was very good at deflecting any points. So when I would make a point that he could not object to, he could not deny, he would just act like I hadn't said it. So he's pretty good. He's a pretty good sophist.
@malleusigI read a book about this guy that he went to art school, and then he wrote a book about how this exact kind of interaction happens with the people he was arguing with at the time.
Speaker 5Yeah, it was infuriating. I had to tell myself in advance, no matter what happens, don't punch this guy in the face. So I made sure that I didn't because, look, I do believe in the non-aggression principle and actually am a Christian. So to me, I mean, and this is the hardest commandment of all, of course, is that you're supposed to love your enemies, believe it or not.
Speaker 5This is very, very difficult, especially when you're dealing with an enemy that is up for your utter destruction. So you have to love them and try to destroy them, or try to undo their destruction at the same time. Very difficult.
@malleusigMichael, you and I at some point need to have a discussion. I have flowcharts that I should walk you through. Because there is a pattern to this. And at this point, I'm convinced they give each other classes in how to do this. Because the pattern is too uniform for it not to be something that's coordinated.
Speaker 5Yeah, I think that's right. And so one of the things he did was, like in his closing statement, let me just describe this. He had this sheet of paper there, a bunch of papers. And he read it so fast that no one in the room or anywhere could possibly understand what the hell he was saying. I mean, I don't even know that these were recognizable phonemes that he was actually uttering.
Speaker 5They sounded like alien babble to me. And then he would act triumphalist, actually, after making these kind of remarks. And things like that. It was infuriating. And so he was better at, shall I say, pretending that he was winning.
@malleusigThat's how you sum up all of their argumentation. They all carry around this little football with them. And when they start losing the argument, they spike it. So it makes it look like they've won the argument.
Speaker 5Exactly what was going on. For example, he said... I forget, one of the main points that I was making to show that this permeation of, you know, this infiltration, this occupation is so deep is that I was talking about the anti... Well, one of the things I talked about was the anti-BDS, you know, law, legislation, 38 states, you know, anti-BDS law.
Speaker 9Mm-hmm.
Speaker 5And utterly infringing the rights of Americans for the benefit of Israel to extort out of us taxes. Because what they do when they give money to these charitable organizations, this is on the other hand, I should say. On the other hand, there's 500 to 600 tax-deductible charitable so-called organizations that funnel Jewish elite money.
@malleusiginto propaganda in the united states and also of course settlements in the west bank okay and i was trying to get this yeah good no no i'm saying did he did he go into did he go into how it's not uh it's how it's it's actually anti-semitism if you refuse to buy things from israel and how it's not it's not hateful it's not you know
@malleusigIt's hateful to do it, to refuse to buy from Israel, but it's not hateful to refuse to buy from any other country because if you are doing things with the three Ds in attempt to defame or dehumanize or delegitimize Israel, that's what makes it anti-Semitism. And so that's why the BDS movement is actually legitimate because they always do that shit.
Speaker 5Yeah, he didn't do, that's not the route he took. He just went with whataboutism. He said, oh, there's many countries that you can't boycott in the United States. Israel is just one of them. Like what? That's not even true. There is no other country that you can't boycott without consequence. It's completely a lie. And when I pointed out it was a lie, he just acted like I didn't say it.
@malleusigIt's like talking with an LLM then. Where it's like LLM will just hallucinate something and you'll point it out and they'll just keep going.
Speaker 5Yeah, exactly. So, you know, it doesn't look like you're scoring points. Why? Because the opponent pretends it isn't happening. This is the most unbelievable thing. So they're extorting money. Okay. In addition to extorting us for their depredations, they're also funneling charitable donations to our so-called charitable donations.
Speaker 5to propagandize against us, okay? And that we're losing a billion dollars a year from that, that taxable income, because this would be taxable income otherwise. But they use these kind of proxies for Israel to make it into tax-deductible charitable donations and charity in the United States. was only made tax deductible because the rationale was that it would take pressure off the state to provide social welfare.
Speaker 5So this provides no, so obviously this provides anti-social welfare. That's what this Israeli stuff does. I've pointed all this out and he just acted like I hadn't said it or he went into like how I was obsessed with Israel. when this happens with every other country, and there's 400 other lobbies, including the pharmaceutical companies, and the pharmaceutical lobby, and Qatar, and he even went so far as to pull out the Chinese and Russian boogeymen, suggesting that China, oh, China and Russia were controlling our country, and he went into the court of the Qatar card, of course.
@malleusigYou you with these people that we have to do is you have to slow them down and freeze them in one statement. What they will do is they will gish gallop through 18 lies before you get a chance to stop them, because they know that by the time you've taken apart and proven the first lie wrong, you've given them enough time to tell 15 more.
@malleusigRight. And this is why it's usually much more fruitful to go through and take apart their lies. something like a commentary video where they're they can't like they can't talk back to you they can't interrupt you they can't over talk you they can't divert and make it about something else that's one like we should really start going through and i'm doing this right now but start going through their their arguments and pointing out this one is wrong this is wrong this is why it's wrong because they tell lies that literally take they take an eon to dis to like dismember
@malleusigAnd they do it on purpose because they know by the time you've taken apart their lie, they're onto something else entirely.
Speaker 5I mean, that's right. I think we need like an academy where as part of the think tank, which I've mentioned before, we need some sort of academy of anti-Zionist defense and offensive strategy. Because these people are so slippery and they have no conscience, no rudder. of truthfulness. They don't even see the difference morally, epistemologically between a true statement and a lie.
Speaker 5To them, they're just putty. It's just soft, sophisticated putty that they mold. They don't care about it. They're epistemological nihilists, really.
@malleusigThis is why communism came from these peoples, because one of the base fallacies that communism rests on is this idea that there's no such thing as objective reality. Everything is subjective reality, and the only thing that matters is whose subjective reality has power at the moment, all right? And this is the reason, is because you're dealing with people that have, they have essentially, they're underpowered, like, you know, there was a YouTube video where, on base camera, they're talking about how Ashkenazi Jews,
@malleusigare essentially word cells they're not shape rotators because their specific kind of iq is is all verbal like their verbal iqs are so high they drag up their average scores to make it look like they have higher than average iqs but when you take out the verbal scores They're actually lower than the rest of us, than most of us on average, when it comes to navigating reality, navigating objective reality.
@malleusigSo what do they do? They try and create a world where objective reality no longer matters, where everything is about how well you can talk your way into things.
Speaker 5In other words, you're saying that postmodern theory was invented by these people, by these sophists, by these...
@malleusigBy these used car salesmen with their own language and a God, essentially. Exactly.
Speaker 8That's also why they are so good lawyers. Alan Dershowitz is an example for that. He can turn everything on his head. I mean, he defended Epstein. and still says no, he has no connection to Mossad. And he dares to go live on TV with that BS because he knows that nobody really challenges him. And that's also a tradition in the Talmud to discuss everything until nobody knows anymore what they are talking about.
@malleusigBut the interesting thing, Oliver, is that they really don't believe in objective reality. They don't think it exists. They think everything is subjective, and they think that we're just worse at playing the game that they're winning at. They don't understand. There is objective reality, and so when we try and explain to them, they're like, oh, yeah, no, I get it.
@malleusigThis person is just playing the subjective reality game where he's trying to convince me there's objective reality because that view is more favorable to his agenda.
Speaker 5You see what I'm saying? That's because they're on top of being... solipsists who think that nothing exists but them which i think it's also based on this tribe insular tribalism in which you know listen i was in london one time walking down the street this is years ago way before i was introduced to any of these ideas about you know what and then i noticed the beautiful sky was i was in the suburb and the sky was lit up with
Speaker 5you know, millions of stars. And I was just glorying and looking up. And I noticed this whole tribe walking the other way. And of course, treating me like I didn't exist, but also treating the natural world like it's not there, like they don't see it. It's unbelievable. Yeah.
Speaker 8I want to interpret an anecdote. So that actually brought me to my wife because my wife asked me in our first date, is there objective, objective truth? And she says, every man nowadays says no. And I said, yes, and that's why we are married now.
@malleusigOkay. All right. I saw Ian had his hand up earlier. Let me show you go back to him.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I was just going to throw out. It's interesting, right? Because so first and foremost, so Dr. Recktenwald, what I'm sure that individual was referring to when it comes to the boycott laws. right, is a perversion of where you were trying to go with the logic. And there are ways that you could technically argue that there are boycott laws where you can't necessarily, let's say, put restrictions on certain nations for certain purposes.
Ian MalcolmThe 37 specific states in the United States that have anti-BDS laws that are a result of individuals that were trying to do something as a result of the Palestinian conflict. To give you an idea, and this is straight from Grok, The anti-BDS, and it says boycott, divestment, and sanctions laws in the approximately 37 U.S. states that restrict boycotts of Israel are unique to Israel and do not include other nations.
Ian MalcolmThose measures specifically target boycotts of Israel or entities doing business in Israel in response to Palestinian-led BDS movements. While a small number of states have broader or related anti-discrimination provisions in contracts, or while some proposed bills have referenced quote-unquote allied nations without any specific passage, the enacted laws overwhelmingly focus exclusively on Israel with no comparable protections extended to any other foreign nation.
Ian Malcolmnations. Now, that's direct from Grok. Now, the reason that I bring that up, Dr. Eichtenwald, and it's a thing that I think I've started to do, and I'm going to recommend that people do in spaces where they find themselves debating these types of issues with Jews. This is why I've kind of developed a little calling card for saying, pause, and I will try and politely get individuals to stop when they are trying to railroad a conversation.
Ian MalcolmIf they don't, I will just mute them, and then I will ask a very specific pointed set With essentially either yes or no or one or two or five word answers that I will require them to address. Because when I say them, I mean those individuals that either argue and might be Jews or are Zionists or are seemingly empathetic to those causes and advocate and argue on their behalf.
Ian MalcolmBecause if you box in the requirement to address a specific, let's say, subset of conversation, then what you will find is. they will do one of two things, either be forced to require and give an answer that will prove the point that you're trying to make, or they will railroad and segment so far off the required set of very specific guidelines that it makes it very, very, very obvious to anybody that's listening what's going on in the refusal to answer those questions, right?
Ian MalcolmThe challenge with what you faced is in that open forum environment, they will just railroad and go off and like you said, spike the touchdown. when making a point that might not even address the crux of the issue that you were trying to bring up, which is what you were trying to do with those 37 BDS states that are, again, are exclusive to Israel.
Ian MalcolmThat's coming straight from Grok. But that individual will, and I've just seen this over and over and over again, they will lie by... giving you an answer that is not to the question that you are actually trying to address. And so you will say those 37 laws in those 37 states are specific to Israel. And they will say, no, there's lots of other boycott laws that regard other nations, for example.
Ian MalcolmAnd it again, it's a dishonest deflection of where you're trying to go. And that's why I was asking the other day with, actually it was today, with David Nietzsche from this app, I was trying to ask, is this a situation where there is an inability to honestly engage in in debate over specific tangible points because they can't follow the conversation and or comprehend what you're trying to say?
Ian MalcolmOr is it just a complete refusal to acknowledge good faith? And instead of, let's say, having a good faith argument, rather just lying through one's teeth indifferent to whether that's right or wrong for the sole purpose of trying to win, not... by presenting a valid argument, but merely through deception, which is ironic because it goes back to the very slogan of the Mossad.
Speaker 5Yeah, let me go to another thing that was mentioned, if I could. We got onto the topic of, you know, the genocide. And I had mentioned in my opening statement that 183 human rights, humanitarian,
Speaker 5and or intergovernmental governance organizations have declared this a genocide, including, and also, I should say, 49 scholars, 12 of whom are Israeli and nine of whom are non-Israeli Jews. I mentioned this, and he picks one of them, I forget which one, and said, you know what it takes to be a member of this organization?
Speaker 5could be a member tomorrow all i have to do is send in 28 and i'll be a member of this organization and then this thereby like somehow um you know by virtue of supposedly knocking off one of these organizations as if they don't have a board as if they don't have organizations as if they don't have people that speak for them etc as if that this this decision
Speaker 5that Israel committed a genocide was actually just a vote by complete morons that had no basis. In fact, that disqualifies the other 182 organizations and the 12 Israeli scholars and the nine non-Israeli Jewish scholars. I mean, this is unbelievable. It just deflects. So it was like you're going after oil with a razor blade.
@malleusigYeah, that's pretty much it. I've been doing this for five years, trying to debate these people. And one of the reasons I do it so much is because it is the best debate exercise you can have. It's like going to the hardest gym in the city for debate because other debaters will restrain themselves to more or less ethical means of debate.
@malleusigzionists do not zionist will use anything that works that includes going after your private identity right digging up your past history they will throw ad hominems at you they will uh like ian said they will ignore your question and answer a completely different one that they're actually able to answer whether it's relevant to the discussion or not right they are
@malleusigThey are essentially, it's like trying to lift weights or like, no, they're like those suits you wear that have weights all over them, like the weighted backpacks, right, that you run in. It's like going for a jog with one of those weighted backpacks, right? They are the best debate practice you can ever have because once you get to the point where you're able to stop them and address them, like actually handle them, you can debate anyone.
Speaker 5It's like trying to eat spaghetti with a spoon upside down. It's basically what it is because, you know, it's so like, I don't want to use terms that, you know, are so obviously like depreciatory, but like they are, you know, I can't find another word, synonym for slippery. I mean, the slipperiness is unbelievable. It's like you can't get a handle on this kind of oratory.
@malleusigThis is, and this is what they train for their entire lives. Like seriously. And it's, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure what does it is growing up with a Jewish mother. I'm pretty sure like the magic ingredient is if you grow up with a Jewish mother, like you have to deal with this kind of shit your entire life from birth.
@malleusigAnd it molds you into this like superhero, like superhero tier debater. And again, it's like you're dealing with, you're dealing with the situation where it's not just, relevant points and logic, emotions, and playing the victim. Oh my God, they play the victim. Playing the victim and appealing to people that are listening and not dealing with you and trying to find an authority figure to appeal to.
@malleusigAnd it's like, they will go everywhere. And if you're not ready for it, they will bowl you over with dishonest tactics. And that's why you have to get as much practice as you can. And that's why I'm pretty sure there used to be a lot of Zionists on here that you could actually talk to. And they've all retreated since a little bit after Gaza.
@malleusigAnd I'm pretty sure the reason they retreated is because they realize that if they expose themselves and they let people talk to them that aren't simply other Zionists, eventually people will get better at handling their bullshit.
Speaker 5Yeah, I mean, like, Ben, listen to this now. This is interesting. I got an email after the debate from this guy. He sends me an email. It's very cordial sounding. And he apologized to me for his demeanor in the debate.
@malleusigThat's not real.
Speaker 5No?
@malleusigIt's all fake. It's all theater.
Speaker 5What is that about?
@malleusigSo Henry Ford raised this, where essentially his experience with Jews mostly came through business dealings. And he wrote over and over again is like they will do whatever they can to screw you out of real estate or a deal. Right. Or whatever. And then after they have it, they're happy to throw you, you know, a little bit of money if you need it, because it makes them feel good.
@malleusigIt makes them look like the good guys. But when it comes to anything that matters, they will they will not restrain themselves from any kind of unethical tactics to nail that down once they've nailed that down. They they'll let themselves do whatever they want to make them look like like they are the good guys or the nice people.
@malleusigBut they're not because they've already because he did it after the debate to in a private email. Right. It doesn't matter. What matters is that he was able to overwhelm and dominate you in the debate. I haven't seen it, but it sounds like that's what he thinks he did anyway. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 5So, I mean, here's the other thing is they closed off the voting after like five minutes and then they opened it back up. then they closed it they opened it and then the final vote i won i won in the final vote but right they disqualified the uh the organizers disqualified that vote why no no because uh the voting had really been shut off earlier but yet they left the voting open and there is a shut off valve you can shut off the voting okay they left it open but said it was closed
Speaker 5What the hell? I mean, I was dealing with the same slipperiness, it seems, at the organizational level here. Wait, so they... Something's up.
Ian MalcolmSo you debated with someone that seemingly was not debating in good faith, and then when the voting was done for who won the debate, even though you came out on top despite perhaps tactics that were unethical, when you won, then they said, no, the vote also didn't count. That didn't work properly. Is that what I'm hearing?
@malleusigYeah, this also sounds really Talmudic. It's like... Because the fact that they left the vote open while telling people that it was closed, it tells me their plan was originally to have everyone who was likely to vote for you think the voting was closed and their people continue to throw votes in. But that didn't work.
@malleusigAnd when it didn't work, they were like, oh, no, the voting was messed up. So we disqualified it. This sounds like a Jewish tactic.
Speaker 5Yeah, I mean, I'm very disappointed in that because I didn't know about, you know, they said they were totally impartial.
@malleusigThey don't sound impartial. It also sounds like you won by a landslide. If you won despite their fuckery.
Speaker 5Did you see any of the clips? I mean, one guy helped. I got an assist from an audience member during the questions. He came up to the, I got to give the guy credit, and I thanked him for it after. He came up and asked, point blank. He kind of schooled me. I should have done a few of these myself. What is Amalek, he said.
@malleusigYeah, yeah. And then the other guy started to harp on him about the correct pronunciation. 50% of the resulting discussion was about he wasn't pronouncing it correctly in native Hebrew.
Speaker 5Yeah, I don't care what the fucking pronunciation is. I'll call it X. X, that group of people who in your Bible you say you want to slaughter, including man, woman, child, and beast.
Speaker 10Yeah.
Ian MalcolmRight? And, Doctor, I know I posted this in response to that video. I'll see if I can't find it and put it up in the nest for anybody that wants to watch it, but the comment that I made on it was exactly, Rabbi, what you would expect, where the question was asked, it was a very direct question, but rather than addressing the root and the intent of where the
Ian Malcolminquiry was trying to take the conversation. Instead, it was essentially, you don't know how to speak this language. Therefore, how could you comprehend the meaning of these words? Oh, you think you know the meaning of the words. Well, let me tell you what the words actually mean. And so it's this reverse engineering where rather than, again, just addressing why does your text suggest that you should essentially be at war with the rest of the world?
Ian MalcolmCan we discuss that? Instead, it's, well, what page would you refer to that you think that that is on that you're obviously mistreating because you're not... An individual like myself who speaks this language, right?
@malleusigIt's a call to appeal to authority. It's the same thing with every Talmudic verse that you bring up. Why does it say here that you can have sex with a three-year-old? Like, oh, well, no. Have you actually studied the Talmud for 15 years like I have? Then you're not qualified to ask me that question.
Speaker 5Exactly. That's the kind of thing he was doing, too, by trying to throw it back to the pronunciation. That means you're disqualified in asking a question in the first place. And then should try to deny the real central point was that Netanyahu himself referred to the Palestinian people as Amalek or Amalek or Amalek or Amalek.
Speaker 5I don't know the fuck, whatever you want to say. Because that mispronunciation that Netanyahu referred to the Palestinians as Amalek isn't true. Not that the thing, you know, because you mispronounce this word. What you're asserting about Netanyahu saying this about the Palestinians must not be the case.
@malleusigIt's like the pronunciation. Their favorite thing is, let me redefine three of the words you used in your question so that my answer makes sense now. You can't let them do that. In my mind...
Ian MalcolmFor some reason, I was just thinking it's as if they went in and murdered somebody, and you're like, why did you kill this person? And they look at you, and they're like, well, how do you know they're dead? It's like, well, they're not breathing, and their heart's not working. And they're like, well, first we need to define what it means to be dead if we're going to ask if I murdered them.
@malleusigAre you saying that you hate people with bad hearts?
Ian MalcolmIt's all... And Dr. Regnum, again, that's why... just on this app anyway. That's why when trying to debate these things, I have to reduce it down to the most simplistic of verbiage and ask these very pointed questions. And it got to the point, and this is a true story. I'll see if I can find this video too for the humor for anybody who hasn't seen it.
Ian MalcolmBecause I asked this individual going through this similar exercise, I said, what is two plus two? And they were like, well, it depends. And it was like, no, no, no, no. Can you answer what? And on four or five occasions, they refused to answer just the basic question. What is two plus two? And the entire purpose of my inquiry was because I knew they would not just answer a direct question.
@malleusigBecause you know why? It's like when you ask them a straight question that seems easy, they know you're up to something, but they can't figure out what it is. So to avoid falling for your trap, they'll avoid. Answering the direct question? But showing the trap was the trap. Exactly, exactly. Brilliant.
Speaker 5Sorry, Dr. Miller. Yeah, I mean, you know, we need an anti-Zionist coaching team. Like, I looked in vain before this debate to find somebody who knew the tricks.
@malleusigOh, Doc, you should have called me. You should have called me. Literally, I have been doing this for five years with these people. I have written guides. I've made flowcharts. I have Excel sheets. I could run a seminar on debating these people. Next time you do this, you and I will spend six hours.
Speaker 5We need an academy, an anti-Zionist academy. This is just one of the elements we need. We need an oratory department. We need... And we need a whole lot of different departments to counter this shit. After all, they have think tanks galore. We don't have shit. Yeah. No, that's what you and I are working on.
@malleusigWe need to work on that. Go ahead, Oliver. Sorry.
Speaker 8Yeah, one space only about the topic, how to argue. Somebody just gave me Arthur Schopenhauer, the book, How to Argue. I did not read it.
Speaker 5They won't help you against these people. No. I'm telling you, this is a different thing. This is how to argue with a noodle.
@malleusigThey have their own proprietary lying technology.
Ian MalcolmWell, actually, and Rabbi, I don't even think it's that. I think it is, and this is why I sometimes go into the idea of paranoia and schizophrenia, right? Because I don't know if it's genetic or a learned thing or what have you, but it is just the unwillingness, again, to just engage in good faith. And the challenge with that is that...
Ian MalcolmThere is a presumption that I have innately that if I'm trying to understand how to solve a problem with someone, that we're doing this in a way where we're both approaching the table with the presumption that we're both going to answer things reasonably and accurately, right, because we're trying to solve the problem.
Ian MalcolmAnd maybe a weird example, I almost feel like if trapped in a car upside down with this group of people in the water because we, say, fell off of a bridge or something. That instead of just operating to get out of the vehicle, it would almost be like, how can I do it in a way that's going to benefit me, even independent of you and all this?
Ian MalcolmIt's just very backwards. There's no dualistic. You talked about the dark and the light side, right? These two things are completely incompatible because they're approaching the entire conversation from the get-go from two totally different ethoses.
@malleusigYeah, and it's what it is. It's a combination of at least four factors. There might be more. One is growing up with a Jewish mother. Two is the belief that every debate is the only thing between what we have now and people being asked to get on cattle cars, right? Every Jewish person believes that every debate you have that touches on Israel, Judaism, Jewishness as an identity, right?
@malleusigThey think that if they lose that, the next step is literally... Nazis take over and they all go to camps, all right? And that desperation removes any kind of restraint they would otherwise have to remain ethical in the discussion.
Ian MalcolmFor what it's worth, I also think it's because, and look, Dr. Echtenwald, you were having a debate, and obviously it's going to be contentious. When I hold these conversations in spaces, I honestly just want to learn more about the world and sharpen my understanding and ability to describe it. And so if somebody comes in and they're like, no, I think you're wrong, I'm going to say, okay, explain why I'm wrong so I can better strengthen my armor on the subject.
Ian MalcolmAnd instead, it feels that... most of the debates I've had with this other group of people that it's, it's 1000% adversarial, that it's almost viewed from the other side as there is only a winner and a loser in this outcome. It's not to learn something. It's not to better our understanding of the world. It's not to, you know, mutually come out of this more enlightened.
Ian MalcolmIt is, I am hostile towards you because I view you as an other. And I know that that sounds very simplistic.
@malleusigAnd the loser gets a death shower. So you, you have to win.
Speaker 5Therefore, reality becomes an enemy. That's the thing. The truth is actually the first casualty here, of course. And the audience who are not discerning will leave with a butchered state of mind. They won't know what the fuck's going on because they've been just they've seen truth slaughtered in front of their eyes.
@malleusigI just noticed we actually have the word war debate account in our audience. Do we want to invite them up to talk? Do you want to keep it on Star Wars? Oh, he left. Oh, no, he's there. I don't know if you want to make this discussion about that, invite him up.
Ian MalcolmYeah, let's bring things back. We'll use this as a nice little intermission and perhaps an opportunity for everybody to stretch their legs. And so with that, let's kind of round off, go back on the topic, because, look, we're talking about the realities of what is essentially Zionism or Jewish supremacy, which I think is...
Ian Malcolmperhaps not coded, although I think Rabbi is going to make that argument, in the prequel trilogy. Now, this is the backstory, right? We kind of talked about the religion of the original trilogy. And like we touched upon, that idea that you can choose, do you want to be more on the good light side or do you want to be more on the dark side?
Ian MalcolmAnd you take a step every day with every action that you proceed in either of those two. And obviously, you've got the redemption arc. of the Darth Vader character who selflessly in the end saves his son and the rest of the world is healed, right? Now, what's curious is the prequel trilogy that came out in the 90s, not only do they serve with a little bit of religion, which I think they actually kind of started, I don't want to say butcher, but they kind of replaced some of the religion and mysticism with science and went into the midichlorians and all this stuff, Rabbi, that I'm sure you're going to talk about.
Ian MalcolmBut there's also the piece that I really do want to focus on because I think it's very relevant for the world today. is this backstory of the rise of a phantom that basically rises to power subversively and is able to do that by creating, essentially out of nothing, a massive presumed conflict, using that conflict to agitate, to lead to a war, and then to use that war to be able to justify the concentration of absolute power
Ian Malcolmtotalitarian power, which brings about the rise of the empire. Because keep in mind, in the beginning of the prequel trilogy, it is the Republic. And so isn't it kind of curious when you look at the world around us? Well, what do we have? We have phantom menaces, or what you could loosely think of as a false flag, a ruse, right?
Ian MalcolmThe presumption that there is some kind of scare. To use those things, and you could prospectively suggest that that could include 9-11, that could prospectively include some of the more, let's say, recent protests that were seen in, quote-unquote, Iran, that I believe are largely being led by the CIA and Mossad, not because I'm just a conspiracy theorist, but because literally Israeli newspapers have told us such.
Ian MalcolmBut using these artificial manufactured phantoms to then be able to have power be further and further and further consolidated. You could even look at what's going on right now in Minnesota with ICE. the, you know, prospective individual that got run over by this car and, or I'm sorry, they actually got run over and shot right on both sides of the equation, using those things to then justify fear in the people, emotion from the people.
Ian MalcolmAnd from that, to be able to say out of the white house, we need to send the battleships over to Iran. And simultaneously we need to have ice become more and more and more militarized. Well, who does that military then turn to for their, their instruction? And unfortunately, it feels like it's becoming more and more and more centralized out of the White House.
Ian MalcolmAnd you get this line in the prequel trilogy that the empire, that tyranny, totalitarianism rises to thunderous applause because everybody says, yes, somebody is going to protect us and save the day. And I feel like and I kind of unpacked a very large story and tried to condense it. But I feel like that is literally happening.
Ian Malcolmaround us over the last two decades. And so Rabbi, I'm kind of curious, maybe I'm looking too much into this, this idea of the phantom menace, the rise of the empire, right? That this is the political world we've seen over the last 30 years. And it essentially symbolically represents the entire Zionist, not only subversion, but ultimately what feels like the complete occupation of the United States government.
@malleusigYeah, I mean, well, I mean, this is probably a good time for me to play the clip that I prepared. I put it into the backchain. If you guys want to look at the little video that I made, I'll play it here. You can't really, it just sounds like the clip from Star Wars. You can't see the annotations that I've made, which are the most important part, but I'll play it for you so you can hear the audio anyway.
@malleusigAnd then while I'm watching that, I encourage everyone to watch the clip as well so you can see what I'm doing.
@malleusigOh, sorry, one second. Get the headphones out and try again.
Speaker 7He has control of the Senate and the courts. He's too dangerous to be left alive. I'm too weak. Oh, don't kill me.
Speaker 11Please. It's not the Jedi way. He must live.
Speaker 1I need him.
@malleusigThis is one of the reasons why I always say that the prequels, they feel like a letter, like a coded letter coming from George Lucas who's being held hostage and can't speak freely. Because if you look at what he does in the movies, it does seem to call back to World War II, but in a way that's slightly different than the myth or the narrative we've been given.
@malleusigAnd I've illustrated that with the video. If you guys, if you watch it, what do you think? Do you think that what I've done here is accurate?
Ian MalcolmWell, and that's the thing. So, and it's very curious, right? Because I talked about the rise of political totalitarianism that's presented in that, the prequel trilogy. The thing that's so curious about it is to this idea of who is it that's rising to power, right? And Malice, you were talking about the idea of Darth Vader and before him that Anakin is, and before him is Darth Maul, used as the muscle.
Ian MalcolmBut behind the muscle sits this nefarious force intelligentsia, right? This nefarious evil. And what's so wild about the clip that you just played, and for anybody that wasn't able to follow along just by the audio, I know that we'll put the video up into the nest. The character who, at this point, is still the senator, right?
Ian MalcolmHe's the senator who becomes the emperor who becomes the evil tyrant of the world. And what's so crazy is the similarity of the world that we're looking around that we essentially live in, right, is that the very group that's manipulating everybody to do all of these things for them, to send the battleships off, to build up ice, et cetera, they're sitting there laying on their back saying, woe is me, I'm too weak, I can't defend myself, please protect me.
Ian MalcolmWho does that sound like?
@malleusigYeah.
Ian MalcolmIt's the group of people that are controlling everything. And they've been masterminding the entire thing under the assumption that they can trick and fool and bamboozle anybody. And if at any point in time, somebody that in that case, Mace Windu, played by Samuel Jackson, comes forward to say, we need to put an end to this evil.
Ian MalcolmWe know that you are evil. And what's the first reaction? No, I'm too weak. Please help me. It's so wild.
@malleusigYeah. And it's so on point. That's the crazy thing.
Ian MalcolmSo I see that we've got some other hands that are up here. Would love to get some additional thoughts. Dr. Rectum, I'm not sure if you want to jump in here, or if not, we can go down to... No, no, no. I didn't mean to have my hand up. Sorry about that. Yeah, pass. Oh, no worries. Let's go to... Let's check in with Gen Z, see if he wants to throw anything in there.
Ian MalcolmAnd then if not, we can go down to Dr. Aldawan, who's in with us.
Speaker 6Yeah, one thing I just wanted to say when you guys were having a discussion with... Michael, Mr. Recktenwald, I don't want to mispronounce your name, but when we have these types of debates on a massive scale, this is the things that they're going to do. And that's why discernment is going to be so important for our own groups, right?
Speaker 6Because if we're going to accept that democracy might be slightly fake and gay, then everything that we're all going to be put up against for the next five to 10 years is going to be fake and gay as well. So... I appreciate him saying that because I think it's a good reminder that no matter how hard that we win, they're still going to, you know, rig it and say, well, you know, we actually didn't have the counting.
Speaker 6So I thought that was pretty profound and congratulations. I think it's pretty apparent to everyone in here that you quote unquote won. And, you know, obviously that gives us hope because that means that the public sentiment is on board with our, our, our message. Right. So. The tide is shifting. We need to just, you know, remain steadfast and we need to, you know, support one another, even if we disagree on certain things, because the momentum is rising at such an alarming rate that I think they're even freaking out.
Speaker 6So, yeah, good job on that.
Ian MalcolmAnd, yeah. And, Gen Z, isn't it curious? I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on this one, Gen Z, to throw you a question. Isn't it wild that the, let's say, the empire, is demonstrated by the endless sea of stormtroopers that all think alike, that act alike, that dress alike, right? And then conversely, the rebellion is this hodgepodge group of people, of aliens, you know, literally and figuratively, I suppose.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's essentially the everyone else against the one block of this kind of universal group. And then if we look at essentially what Zionism is, it's kind of that. It's a collective that is this kind of ethno religious thing against essentially everyone else. And it's not that I'm advocating for everybody else to go against that ethnic group, but rather that they seem at animus and odds, even down to their religious text with all those that they perceive as others.
Ian MalcolmSo it's just, it's very curious the way that these things present themselves.
Speaker 6Yeah. And even, even, you know, on that as well, it's like the, the quote unquote misfits. It's like, if we want to take it to, you know, real life and, you know, the earth, right. It's, All of us, you know, I'm speaking for myself, and maybe you guys can resonate, but when I kind of started getting J-pilled and all of my family and friends, they all kind of ousted me, said I was a crazy nut job, right?
Speaker 6And then, you know, about a year or two later, they're all coming back going, oh, my God, what the hell is going on? Like, you know, what's happening? Please explain everything to me. And so that's why I think it's funny, too, is, like, that's why I think – I just said that's why I think, like, a hundred times. I apologize.
Speaker 6But we all – are really close in here in all the circles that we run in because i think we all at some point face to that you know maybe ousting or rejection from our peers and i think when we find people like ourselves we can resonate almost on a familial level and i think as our movement continues to grow and expand we're going to see the familial strings just multiply on an exponential rate it's almost like go ahead michael go ahead i just want to jump in real quick about the debate
Speaker 5format and all that. Listen, I don't have, I don't, I'm running a very young organization myself, and I can tell you that mistakes get made and things are difficult. It's difficult to put systems in place. Trust me, that's, it's hard work. So, listen, I'm not saying that the word war debate fixed this thing. I don't think that's what happened.
Speaker 5I think it's a young, it was a first trial, and likewise, the voting got To my estimation, I won the debate. Everybody that was in the room came up to me. I'd say two-thirds of the room came up to me and said, you crushed that dude. Also, Joe Rogan's best friend was there, and he said, you crushed that dude. I forget what Joe Rogan, this guy's name was.
Speaker 5My son's I sent my sons this picture of this guy, and it turns out it's Joe Rogan's best friend. Now, I can't remember what his name was.
Speaker 6Hey, Michael, you just brought up a good point, though. You're running a young organization, right? I think all of the young people are on board with this, and it's like people your age. I think when people your age see how much support is coming from below, you are going to represent something that is more of a bull running into the storm.
Speaker 6And I think once, you know, semi the older people, because I think when your generation was growing up, it wasn't as prevalent. And I think it was one of the, you know, you were still in the cancer culture era. So I think once people your age see that we are all behind you guys, I think more of the semi older people would jump on board.
Speaker 6Would you agree with that, you think?
Speaker 5Oh, yeah, absolutely. Listen, I mean, I'm an anomaly. I'm a weirdo, I guess. Being 67 and being anti-Zionist and heading an anti-Zionist group, maybe the first... first ever explicitly anti-Zionist group organization officially recognized by the government, which is being run by them. Nevertheless, this is the first anti-Zionist organization PAC in America.
Speaker 5And what I'm getting at is that, you know, I believe that this organization is going to grow well beyond my tenure. I'm just going to be I believe that the youth are going to be the ones that carry this. And I'm more than willing to, you know, at some point, hey, it's take turn it over. And, you know, because I'm doing my part now.
Speaker 5I found that it and I'm running it. But I can't do this forever. And I like other shit, too. I like to write books. I like poetry. You know, I have other things I'd like to be doing. And I'm also teaching at a university. that I can't name because the Zios will come at it and it'll be gone in five minutes. So, yeah. Anyway.
Speaker 5Hey guys, can you hear me?
@malleusigYes, yes, we can hear you. So you're the administrator for the World War Debate or something?
Speaker 12Yeah, I'm a representative for the League. And by the way, if I go in and out, it might be good. So just bear with me on that. But when I saw the conversation and what was going on, I definitely wanted to jump in because It's an important topic.
@malleusigYeah, we figured.
Speaker 12And I wanted to kind of give some context and also explain what we're doing and what happened so that, you know, what we're trying to do is like Michael was saying, which, by the way, Michael was great. He's a total showman, a total gentleman. We are a brand new organization. When we launched this, which this was the first event, the inaugural event, it's technically a pilot for the rest of the events that were going forward.
Speaker 12debate oh so like for your pilot you were like hey let's start with like a small easy non-controversial topic like this right well see it's interesting the concept obviously that we really want to foster is big conversations and not just dangerous conversation not just the safe dangerous conversations but dangerous dangerous conversations we are free speech absolutists um as best we can on the on the tech that we are allotted obviously some um some platforms are more
Speaker 12friendly than others as i'm sure you guys are aware um but so when we have the chance obviously you know it's a very hot topic right now in the nation on the globe um and so when we when we started putting out our feelers to find people who would debate um when we came across michael obviously he's what he's doing to the organization and just his general viewpoints and his breadth of knowledge on so many subjects we were happy that he accepted we were so happy that he accepted
Speaker 12because we wanted someone who's truly academic, who understands things from a deeper level than most would, especially on such a contentious topic. And also, when we're going to try to find someone to debate against him, sometimes it's not as easy, especially in the time that we're in right now. It's very hard to find people who will take a stage like this and debate with no safety nets, no hold the bar live.
Speaker 12you know, a subject that, frankly, is quite contentious. And I wanted to explain, too, because I think it's behooved the league to do so, obviously. We are brand new. We don't have millions and millions of dollars. We have a crazy idea. And we're trying to make it work as best we can. And to Michael's point, you know, we've talked, obviously, since then briefly, but we talked at the event, and he's great, and he came with his partner, and she's wonderful as well.
Speaker 12And When we, right before we went live, we had a piece of equipment go down. And I'm sure, just objectively, if you watch the stream, especially in its entirety, you'll see a whole host of technical issues that we were having. And we were doing our darndest just to keep the thing online. And so originally, the voting system was supposed to be, we were supposed to have it on screen so that the audience and the viewers out in the world could see the vote as it takes place
Speaker 12See who's winning, see who's losing. There was a visual component to that. The piece of equipment went down. On top of that, because of that, we had to kind of find a workaround. So the workaround that we utilized was the one that we did.
Speaker 5Just let me jump in real quick. I mean, not to be too facetious here, but is it possible that the Zionists had a backdoor, had some backdoor...
Speaker 12crypto you know Stuxnet they had Stuxnet I think they got in man they're very good at spyware that's what they do well listen I can't speak to that you know I don't know but I do know that there was both technical issues because I mean obviously you weren't the the undercard wasn't the only card that was affected we lost visuals from all of our debates specifically
Speaker 12in a whole host of ways. We had Kim. There's a bunch of things that were going on. This is a brand new thing we were doing.
@malleusigYou don't have enough Zionist billionaires as your funders. That's a problem.
Speaker 12We have no funders, really.
@malleusigThey were like, hey, it's a nice place you got here. It would be a shame if someone decided it was anti-Semitic.
Speaker 12Well, and here's the thing. Going forward, I just wanted to make sure that we're on top of this and we represent it because you guys deserve answers. I can understand specifically how these things are contentious and the fact With the ideas that we have and where we want to take things, it's important for us to be as transparent as possible, even if it makes us look amateurish.
Speaker 12And that's fine. We'll take our licks because we earned it. You know, we should have had things properly set up. We should have had more backups in place. There was all sorts of things on this event that were kind of moving targets. We're doing something that no one's ever done before and no one's ever seen before. We want to build something like the UFC of debates.
Speaker 12And so, you know, we're just growing pains in all this. Well, I'm also presenting solutions. So obviously we had this issue, which is unfortunate. And Michael put on a great show. And I'll explain kind of the voting itself because it's timed. We're running a live show. So we have a limited window of time in which to have people vote.
Speaker 12It's just the nature of the business because we wanted to tell the audience who's live in the stadium. who won and who lost. It would be very anticlimactic if they get there and they watch a match and then they don't find out who wins for weeks or something. You know, we wanted them to get a closure to their, they paid money to come ticket, they paid to come see, we wanted to get them to get closure and they deserve it.
Speaker 12And also our following is not very large. So I know the sample size is small, but as we grow, we hope that it grows with us is a solution. Moving forward to avoid these issues in the next event, which is coming up, we are bringing everything in-house. We already have things in the works right now. They just weren't ready specifically for this event, but they will be in the next one.
Speaker 12That will provide complete, full transparency to the viewers. They can see the votes coming in live. They can see the tallies. And it won't be an issue going forward. On this one, it was a little bit different. It's our first event. We're really just trying to make things work. And absolutely, Michael, by the way, if Michael ever wants to come back for another bout, the whole idea of this is a lead.
Speaker 12We don't want people just to come one time and give up their shot and maybe they win and maybe they lose. You know, we're building a lead. We want them to come back. We want them to go head to head again.
Ian MalcolmWorld War, just out of curiosity, I wonder on the voting side, just because. You know, let's envision a future state where you had someone that's extremely formidable, like Dr. Rechtenwald, and they were to go up against somebody like Ben Shapiro, who has not just the big networks, but also all the big money and a whole lot of people over in 8,200.
Ian MalcolmOne of the outfits of Mossad that would be happy to have a million bots flood the voting system to ensure that Ben Shapiro comes out with his 6 million votes on top. How are you guys trying to, let's say, navigate or ensure the authenticity of the people voting and that it's not, let's say, unfairly put together? Sure.
Speaker 12Well, obviously, we're in the infancy of the league. And so I'm sure it will continue evolving and getting better and better. We're new at this. So we're trying. But as it stands right now on the next events currently, and this could change because we're working on a few different options. But as it currently stands. There'll be a login process similar to what there was now, but it will be internal and it will be handled a little bit differently on the back end of things.
Speaker 12And people still have to log in. They have to use their email. Now, am I going to say that it's completely impervious to outside intervention? Like, probably not, right? If someone's really motivated and they have a bunch of money, we are a small organization and we're just trying to do something that we believe in. So, but...
Speaker 12On that note, we've already thought about these things long term, so I don't know if it will be rolled out by the next event. It may, but we're looking at utilizing blockchain so that there's full transparency on the voting system itself and that there's full ledger accessibility and transparency. So, you know, we're trying to do what we can.
Speaker 12Nothing's bulletproof, and I'm not a tech expert.
Ian MalcolmAnd Fortisworth, I just love this concept. And if it's just put together in a way, and I think that'll be one of the challenges, right? But if you guys can figure out that piece of the puzzle, the rest of the idea I think is brilliant. And what could be better than a force function like what you're putting together, where somebody could say, hey, Ben Shapiro, why won't you show up and discuss these issues with Dr. Rechtenwald or with Nick Fuentes or whomever?
Ian MalcolmAnd if you could construct that open source voting where it's all you know, it's based on the feedback of the people rather than corporate media and all of the people that own it, right? This could be a wonderful way to try and actually demonstrate to the average kind of normal individual that doesn't think about these issues a lot, how, you know, bulletproof the perspective that Dr. Recktenwald was bringing and how, you know, how much a house of cards and lies the other side of that equation is.
Speaker 12Sure. You know, it was part of the inspiration for why we wanted to do this in the first place. I'm sure I don't have to tell any of you that regardless of what entity, there is pretty strongly controlled narratives and gatekeepers. And it's hard sometimes specifically for a whole host of topics to actually get out the truth and debate it and break past those narratives.
Speaker 12Social media and decentralization of information has helped. in a lot of ways, which I think is why many of those folks and those people who have been controlling, you know, a lot of the information until now are kind of in a panic and they are trying to find any way they can do to maintain the control that they've had.
Speaker 12And so, you know, that was part of our inspiration when we wanted to do this because the Congress, and what blew our mind initially, because obviously Sam Tripoli, by the way, that's who Michael was talking to, Sam Tripoli, he was the independent, the independent commentator for the show. He's friends with Joe Rogan, et cetera.
Speaker 12He's a stand-up comedian. It was actually his idea. This is his brainchild. We're talking about another guy.
Speaker 5I know Sam. Oh, there was another guy. Let me look for his name, but anyway.
Speaker 12Oh, you're talking about Eddie Bravo. Were you talking about Eddie Bravo?
Speaker 5Yes, Eddie, yes.
Speaker 12Yeah, Eddie's great. Eddie's great. Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, that's right. Eddie was there, too.
Speaker 5Let me just say one thing before. I don't want to talk too much. I don't want to cut you off, but look. These guys put me on the stage. That is huge. That takes great courage. And it makes our standpoint, it helps legitimize us. We are legitimate, but in the eyes of discourse and the rules that are set, these guys push the envelope big.
Speaker 5So I applaud them for that, and I appreciate it very much.
@malleusigOne thing I was going to ask is, have you ever considered, I don't know if you have it because I haven't seen the video yet, have you ever considered having a team of referees that are briefed on logical fallacies and holding up, for example, yellow cards or red cards when one of the people speaking employs one of the known logical fallacies?
@malleusigWord war?
@malleusigShit, is my Wi-Fi out?
Speaker 5No, we're here.
@malleusigYou can hear me, yeah. Okay. Good. I've thought about having a professional debate league like myself, but obviously I haven't done it. That's one of the things that always came to my mind, is that you need to have some kind of refereeing in place, because if you don't, the people that are able to successfully peddle logical fallacies and get them past you...
Speaker 5are going to have an unfair advantage over the people that keep honest in the debate yeah that's exactly right because look we're talking you know this this goes back to the two major schools of philosophy so-called at the very root of western philosophy that is the you know the school the line that goes from socrates through plato uh and aristotle and the other line which goes through the sophists you know those liars those court you know the people that uh that plato mocked
Speaker 5and uh the people that went around taking up any arguments and you know representing any position without any regard for you know truth so indeed these you know so you there's no way you can uh allow that to go on without some sort of uh referee i think that's absolutely correct gotta have somebody in there or a team an unbiased team but they're not biased about they're biased about one thing and that is
Speaker 5Is this a fallacy? Or is it like there's other evasions of truth, other things that don't strictly fall under logical fallacies, like the Martin Bailey technique and things like that?
@malleusigYeah, even the Martin Bailey technique, that's one of the finer tricks that I've dealt with. I'm just talking about things like the Tukok fallacy, like whataboutism. right? Which is one of the specialties of these people. They employ it all the time, like it's their bread and butter, right? So if you had, so for example, like me as a debater, when I get in debates with these people, I have to keep track of them at the same time that I'm formulating my own arguments, right?
@malleusigAnd it's a skill you have to build. You have to keep track of what they're saying. And when they try to employ one of these tricks, one of these logical fallacies, you have to have the discipline to put what you wanted to say aside right and you have to stop them and make them you know you have to draw a big red circular on what they've done and make them deal with it right instead of moving on to what you want to talk about or one of their favorite things which is they get cornered and they ask you a question so they'll have they'll have a set of questions ready to go like how many people do you think died in the holocaust do you think israel had a right to defend itself
@malleusigDoes this reality exist, right? And I'm completely, at this point, I'm convinced that they train each other to have these questions ready to go whenever they get in trouble. And what they're doing is they're switching the burden of proof off on you. So now they've taken control of the conversation because in a conversation, whoever asks the questions is in control.
Speaker 5Let me give you one example of this that happened that just came to mind, if you don't mind.
@malleusigSure, sure. Let me just make the last point. The point that I wanted to make, this is really important for people to remember. As soon as you answer a question, you've ceded control of the discussion. So if you have them on the ropes and they ask you a question and you answer their question, you essentially just backed up and stopped punching them.
@malleusigAnd you can't do that. You have to keep them on the ropes. Go ahead, Doctor.
Speaker 5Yeah, one of the things that came up, You know, because this guy sued Harvard for so-called anti-Semitism. That's the guy. He spoke at the RNC convention. I mean, this guy, you know, they've given this guy quite a podium. And he, so I started talking about like, I said we had one thing in common, this guy and I. We both deplore the woke totalitarian regime, which I think was,
Speaker 5know part of the same psyop but we could go into that later but anyway nevertheless you know it was only when israel was protested only when israel was singled out you know all this woke protest went on without any you know arrests or any at all but when it came to israel blah blah blah look at how they're arrested but trying to deport students uh things like that and he said
Speaker 5And, you know, I pointed to the student from Columbia. I forget, you know, I forget his name right now. But anyway, you know, the guy that had a child, an American child, he has an American wife. Yeah, they tried to support him. And he threw this up as like the guy had helped some police officer, some security guard hostage.
Speaker 5And, you know, that nullified the idea. And then I pointed out there was another student who was, you know, picked up. abducted by ICE for having written with three other co-authors an op-ed critical of Israel. And she got picked up to this by ICE. No kidding. What's that?
@malleusigNo kidding. That's incredible.
Speaker 5Yeah, that's a true story. And I brought that up. But he reverts back to the first one. ignores that one and goes back to the first one and says the guy held somebody hostage. And I said, what about all these other students that have been picked? He's like, so you believe that students should be able to camp out anywhere they like on campus and obstruct pathways and blah, blah, blah.
@malleusigThat's a lie. They weren't obstructing anything.
Speaker 5Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was just an avalanche of lies. So many to sort through that are coming at you from all these different angles.
@malleusigThat's why you have to be able to stop them and freeze them. And you have to have a couple of one-liners in your back pocket that you can use to kind of put them on the back foot. You have to be able to shock them.
Speaker 3Who created modern Israel? Who controls modern Israel?
@malleusigThanks, Kenobi. But you have to be able to have something... that is going to be... I would actually say this goes to the dark side of the Force. You have to have something that is, again, using their tactics, but in the other direction. You have to have something that's going to play on the sentiments of the audience, because that's what they're focused on.
@malleusigAnd if they feel like they're losing what the audience feels is the moral high ground, they will sputter. And that's when you have a chance to turn them.
Speaker 5Yeah, absolutely. So he was talking about these students tearing down Israeli flags and all this shit. So I said, I'm against property violations. Absolutely. I agree with property rights. There's no greater violator of property rights than Israel, of course. Exactly. And then he goes into this and goes, oh, here we go.
Speaker 5It's Israel again. Not refuting the point.
@malleusigThat's the limit of the debate. Again, they love to pull the shit where it's like, oh, you're so obsessed with talking about us. When are you going to stop? Seriously, this is the big topic right now. Everyone wants to talk about it. Everyone wants to discuss it. Why are you weirded out that we're talking about you when you've literally done nothing but talk about us for the past 30 years?
Ian MalcolmWell, but, Rabbi, for what it's worth, I think that's the crux of the, again, that's the psychology challenge that exists within the narcissist, which is I want to be in the spotlight. There is no amount of attention that is bad attention because all attention is good attention. But if you pay attention to me, that, oh, by the way, makes me at all uncomfortable and makes me think that you might be critiquing me in any way, shape, or form.
Ian MalcolmOh, wait a second. It's also a group of people that overly exhibit paranoia. And so you've got this really bizarre conundrum. where these two things conflict together. And it's, I want to be in the spotlight, but if I'm in the spotlight, you might be looking at me in a way that I don't think is flattering. So therefore you have to look at me all the time and it has to be positive.
Ian MalcolmAnd if it isn't, then it's just because you hate me because you're a bigot, because I can't ever do anything wrong. And it's like, these psychologies cannot. work and hold all the reins of power and simultaneously blow up all the Palestinians because they want the land in Gaza while also being able to say, how dare you critique me for mass murdering these people?
Ian MalcolmI'm only doing it because they hate me. And they only hate them because of what they did to them yesterday. You can't reason with this.
@malleusigNo, you can't. You cannot reason with someone who doesn't understand linear time or consequences. Or actions. It's like, oh, wow, you're not allowed to hate us. It's like, just because we killed your parents and destroyed your farm and shot your livestock and raped your cat, the reason you hate us can only be because you hate us with no reason.
Speaker 5Yeah, and he said that I was being ahistorical. Yeah, that's ridiculous. While he was explicitly being ahistorical, as if October 7th was day one of the universe, right?
@malleusigYeah, they will gleefully revise history and then accuse you of engaging in revision of history when you try and change it back.
Speaker 5Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 12One thing I was going to say...
Speaker 5I needed a real JQ debate. We got you.
Speaker 12Sorry, I wasn't trying to interrupt Dr. Rick and Walt, but I was going to say something before I forgot because I know you guys had brought it up and I think it's fair to mention. Obviously, first of all, the league, again, is completely neutral and apolitical on all topics. As a representative of the league, the league itself.
Speaker 12Now, the commentators and all that kind of stuff, obviously, they'll have their opinions and their bias, which we demonstrate. We have a left-wing, right-wing, centrist, et cetera. We'll mix it up throughout the seasons in the league. But when you were talking about the refs before, obviously, this is the first event. We're talking about a whole host of models.
Speaker 12if the league evolves and grows in the way that we want it to, and we meet our projections in the way that we want. Ideally, we will have judges and like the audience is the one who votes. So having judges is interesting in that dynamic because we do want the audience to carry the weight of the vote. However, just like a lawyer would or something else, having the ability to demonstrate say fallacies, et cetera, and strategic tactics that are being employed by either side
Speaker 12to the watching audience is very valuable because they may not be as versed in debate structures and tactics and fallacies and so having a way to demonstrate that a mechanism to demonstrate that i think is very important we are talking about ways in which we can do that and you know there's technological means that could be helpful for something like that and there's also rotating judges that we can have coming in that will be helpful to do that as well and you were talking about earlier i know you guys were talking about the coaching aspect of things um
Speaker 12And that's also very important, too. And so even probably for this next event, we're going to try to make it happen for this next event. But for this next event, we are going to be introducing a specific coaching option that can be used by the debaters should they request it. So we can have internal folks that we can find for them, try to help them source a coach if they're looking for one specifically, and or they can bring their own.
Speaker 12And in between rounds, consult with their coach. coaches to address what's happening in the fight, what's happening in the debate. Hey, they're using this technique. We should probably adjust our strategy to meet that, et cetera, and so forth. We do want to incorporate that in long-term. It wasn't for this one, but long-term, we do want to incorporate that in.
Speaker 12And so we're trying to be as well-rounded as possible. And on that note, too, we know that we don't know everything and that this is new. We're learning just as fast as most everyone are, and we're kind of doing something We're taking a risk here when we're going out on a limb to try to do something that's never been done before, not in this way anyways.
Speaker 12And on that note, we have an ability, like we're calling right now out to the public. If you go to our website, you can go, there's a tab on this enter the arena. We're looking for statisticians. We're looking for intellectuals. We're looking for debaters. We're looking for structures. We're looking for philosophers. We're looking for anything that the lead,
Speaker 12And obviously moderators, debaters, panelists, et cetera, all of those things as well. But even the backend stuff, we're looking for people who have the knowledge and the expertise to help us in areas in which we don't.
@malleusigOh, you should send me a DM.
Speaker 12I am. I'm down. It's open. So literally, you can go to wordwardebate.com right now. You go to enter the arena and you can let us know what your skill set is. There's a whole set of forms in there that allow us to see what you specialize in, whether it's debating or moderating or tech or audio or whatever, whatever your skill set is.
Speaker 12We want to scale. In order to scale, we need really sharp experts in their fields and their crafts. We want to pull this off correctly. And so. I just wanted to put that out there because we're consciously aware of our own errors and our own fallibility. And we are seeking, you know, guidance from the public because we want this to be their league.
Speaker 12We want them to trust in it. We want to be as impartial as possible. And we want to provide them both entertaining, educational, and trustworthy. We want to be a gold standard. We want us to the new gold standard. We're not relying on Fox anymore. We're not relying on CNN anymore. We're not relying even on podcasts a lot of the times because
Speaker 12Like you said, there's no moderation. There's no judging. There's the tactic. It's very conversational. There's no pressure. And that's one aspect that makes this different than, say, a podcast. Everyone can go on a podcast and they're wonderful, but there's no pressure there. Generally, there's no pressure there. It's important to see how the people who are defending your worldview or a worldview that you are opposed to.
@malleusigAct and respond under pressures one thing one thing to watch out for if you do an open call for help you will be flooded But you will have people that may try to come in because I've seen this in everywhere else Jewish people Israelis will offer to come in and volunteer and be watchdogs for anti-semitism, right? So watch out for that because eventually what happens is they end up gaming the system to the advantage of the Zionists their arguments and
@malleusigAnd your organization would be an especially attractive target to them because your whole goal is to become impartial. And if you represent yourself as impartial, that gives greater credence to them despite the partiality they're now injecting into your system. So watch out for that.
Speaker 12Well, I'm sure if the model is successful, as we believe it will be, and to kind of...
Speaker 12at least talk about one aspect of what you were just talking about. We've already received thousands and thousands. We are so inundated. And right now we're going through them. Our scouts are going through them one by one, trying to vet people as best as possible, not necessarily for their political ideology, but for their skill sets.
Speaker 12But I think one of the reasons why we chose, why we entered the arena publicly with some of the subjects that we did is we knew that there's going to be We're not under the assumption that some people aren't going to like this model. Some people aren't going to like the fact that we're having conversations that they would rather we not have, whether that's political parties or whether that's governmental agencies or whatever.
Speaker 12And so we kind of went into it knowing full well that as the league grows, that will become an issue, but we're not paranoid about it. We're not fear-based people. We're not running out of fear. We're doing this actually because of the opposite. I want to grow up in a world in which my children have the ability to speak their mind.
Speaker 12And so it's imperative for us to, you know, we're willing to die on that hill, so to speak. And we have a great idea and we think we can make it fun and we think we can make it entertaining and we think we can bring back what I think was so lost in the past few decades in that. America is the home of free speech. We are the shining beacon on the hill.
Speaker 12If anyone's going to do free speech or have a free speech debate lead, it should be America. It should be us showing the world this is not only can we do it, but we can do it better than you. And look what we can do. And, you know, be an example for that. That's really what we want to be. And we know there's going to you know, we've already got all sorts of backlash, but it's fine because the ideas are sound.
Speaker 12The amount of like the thirst for this. When we initially put it out there and we started putting the feelers, that's why we were able to launch because everyone said it was a good idea. As far as the people were concerned, everyone who heard it said, yes, how do I help you? This is a great idea. This is what we need. I would love to watch this.
Speaker 12I'd love to be a part of it. The desire is there. This is what the people really want. We're doing our best. We are a small organization. There's going to be hiccups, but We are really trying our hardest and putting a lot on the line in order to try to make this happen. And that's, you know, I won't belay you too much.
Speaker 12You know, I've already taken up a bunch of your time, but I just wanted to jump in here and kind of give our perspective and our point of view, because I know, especially on topics like this, they're quite contentious. And it's important for us to remain impartial as a league, be transparent with our audience and be transparent with the people who may be participating in the league going forward.
Speaker 12And you already have, like Dr. Reckman. that we really do have their best interests at heart. This was an unfortunate, you know, I stand by the results. Just so we're clear, I stand by the results. The mechanism could have been more transparent for sure and should have been, but the results on the parameters that we were given that we had were accurate.
Speaker 12And, you know, that falls on us to increase our sample size.
Speaker 5The final vote was in my favor. So what happened? The voting was not shut off, and it kept voting. Then it was shut off eventually. So I do think that – look, I just want to put this out there. Of the people that finally voted, out of those people, I won. I don't know whether they should have or not. I don't know what other people were voting.
Speaker 5Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 12What I will say – so I'll say two things to that because it's absolutely accurate. So the votes, they weren't able to – once we called – The time, they weren't supposed to be able to vote from them, but they still were. But the time had already stopped. That's when we stopped. That's when they had announced the winner based on the votes that were in.
Speaker 12And then people were still able to vote after that. Now, it is interesting. Obviously, we would have liked to have just taken it down and not had to have this conversation and not be brought into doubt into anyone's mind. But that's why we wanted to address it head on. But this brings a broader question. Maybe there's better models or...
Speaker 12other tools that we can employ maybe cross-platform voting and you know we're looking at a whole host to increase the sample size in the limited window that we have on the show we also do before the league before the uh sorry before the battle before the debate we do pre-polls like entrance polls to kind of see where our audience puts the fighters at where they think they're going to be as far as winning or certain parts of their arguments or whatever
Speaker 12and we're gonna be doing exit polls after this thing. So it would be interesting, at least for this one too, that now it's interesting. So now we know that obviously in the short amount of window that we're doing with the sample size that we have, that's fluid and that we should incorporate some other mechanisms in order to increase that sample size in that short window, because we don't want people to feel like they're cheated, especially as we move forward.
Speaker 12And there's no excuses for that. Even though I stand by the results, as they are, we still should be absolutely way more, you know, there should be no doubt in people's mind. And the other thing I want to say is, and I'm sure everyone is aware, although I like Shabbos, and I'm very happy he competed, and we'd be happy to have him back as well.
Speaker 6Wait, Michael, you debated a guy named Shabbos?
Speaker 5What was that now?
@malleusigHis name is Shabbos Kestenbaum. He's actually quite famous, and he's well known.
Speaker 5Yeah, that's who I debated.
Ian MalcolmI mean, it's slightly less wild than Shlomo Kramer.
@malleusigHe's Shabbos in the same way that I'm a rabbi.
Speaker 5But here's the other thing. He also invoked the idea that Christians, more people that are Christians should be more Christian. And so he was like, you know, it was really, really weird. But anyway, that's a different point. The point was, for me... I love the concept. I'm firmly behind the organization. I love what you're doing.
Speaker 5I love your chutzpah, so to speak. And, you know, look, I know you're going to take heat. You're actually bringing voice to sides that aren't given any voice in the media, et cetera. So, you know, I think it's great. I just, I did have some frustrations, but, you know, that's the way it goes. It was the first thing. We'll go on from here.
@malleusigI think actually, Doctor, if there was a voting mishap and you still won, I think that actually, I don't think that introduces doubt. I think that actually kind of like falls more heavily in your favor.
Speaker 5Yeah, I guess.
@malleusigI don't think there's any need to be too worried about it.
Speaker 5I mean, I was suicidal last night. No, I'm kidding. But yeah.
@malleusigBut I think what you're doing, World War, is fantastic. I'm very highly in favor of this organization. I look forward to seeing a bunch more of this. And if there's any way that I can help, then I would love to.
Speaker 12Sure. Really, I mean, obviously, like I said, there's the Enter the Elite thing for folks to come in. Obviously, our DMs are open. as well. And so we're constantly taking, we're constantly having, in fact, we have to, we have to have relationships and conversations with people in order to build this thing in the way that we want and have the people to be able to come compete.
Speaker 12But yeah, right now we have, that was the first event. And right now I think we have six green lit, officially six to 10 green lit of live events, but then in between the live events, because we, you know, I do, I do want to point out, not to just stand up on our own laurels, but On our first event, our inaugural event, we had six people, you know, that we had six spots to fill with people, and we did choose Dr. Reckonwald to be one of those.
Speaker 12So, you know, forever in history, he will be the first prime showcase, one of the first prime showcase contenders in our league. And so, you know, I think that position, whether he won or lost the debate, is... In my opinion, maybe it's just me, I'm thinking big of myself, but I think historically down the road, I think that'll be interesting and historic.
Speaker 12I think that itself will be a point of conversation. And also, I just thought of this too. We know, obviously the idea is truth, regardless of what the issue is, we want the truth to be accepted. We want the truth to be allowed to move freely. But at the same time, no system is perfect. And that includes the debate system.
Speaker 12Just because, you know, you'll have people who win and lose debates. I got an idea for you.
Speaker 5I got an idea for you. Let's just say that I threw a fit and said this thing was fixed. And then I'll call for a rematch immediately and we'll hype the shit out of it.
Speaker 12Well, listen, you don't have to throw a fit. We're definitely happy to have you in the ring. I can try to reach out to Shabbos and see if he's ready for round two. He's been actually very cordial with us and we're happy.
Speaker 6Hey, Ward, Ward, I was going to say, if you get Shapiro, I'll try to get Nick. Listen, so I can, here's what I'll say.
Speaker 12You know, I'm not trying to disparage people because I do want them to come. However, I will say there's a few names on our list that we've reached out to multiple times. who, you know, some people just are not receptive to these kinds of formats and they're not receptive to taking on the intellectuals and the firepower that we're bringing into the ring.
Speaker 12And so I would love Ben Shapiro. Please, Ben Shapiro, if you hear this, I would love you to come participate.
Ian MalcolmI think he'll be busy debating kindergartners and spiking the microphone after trying to shame them.
Speaker 12We welcome Ben Shapiro with open arms. We will treat you better than you've ever been treated. We just want you to come debate your topics, your points with a fighter that people choose. And we'll go from there.
@malleusigTell him he only has a short time window before they put the referees with the logical fallacies in, and he'll want to get in before they do that.
Speaker 12The door is open. I'll just say that. The door is open. At any point, Ben Shapiro, you send me a DM, we are happy to put you in. We are a completely neutral platform. Please get in and defend your standpoint. Defend your viewpoints. He's a well-experienced debater. known person. He's not dumb. And he absolutely is welcome on our stage to take on whoever the people choose to put against him.
Speaker 12Yeah, man.
Speaker 5You should go for Fuentes. Let's hype the shit out of it, man. It would be huge.
Speaker 6I'm telling you right now, if you get Shapiro, we'll try to make it happen.
Speaker 12Well, we will continue with our conversation. I will keep trying to get the folks that you guys are requesting. Sometimes, again, It's hard, too, because we want this to be a league of the people. At the same time, everyone can request, hey, we want this person and that person. But at the end of the day, we can't force anyone to do anything.
@malleusigWhen your profile gets higher, it'll be much easier. When these guys get their profile up, it'll be much easier for them to get famous people in. But right now, they're just starting. And so what's going to happen is people like Shapiro, people like Rabbi Barkley or whoever, they are going to weigh the risks of showing up on a program like this with the benefits.
@malleusigAnd for the most part, if it isn't big enough for them to look conspicuous by not participating in it, they won't participate because the risk of being shown up will outweigh the benefits they get from going on.
Speaker 12What's interesting, too, and I just want to take this kind of... for us as well, is I know a lot of people get caught up on seeing these large-scale personalities debate, and rightfully so. They should, you know, defend their worldviews on a stage in the same way that other people would. And we welcome that 100%. But at the same time, one thing that the league wants to do is find new people, too.
Speaker 12Because, you know, one thing that kind of gets old for everyone is when you're hearing the same political commentary from the same 10 people for a decade. Okay, we've heard A lot of people's opinions, and they haven't changed in years and years and years. And yet there's so many really smart, intellectual people, everyday people, you know, blue collar, white collar, whatever, who have amazing talent and who are insanely smart.
Speaker 12And they deserve a platform. That's why we wanted to open to the league. When we did this bout, obviously we had Anna Kasparian versus Pearl. A very high-profile individual. Pearl has the largest, out of all the competitors, ironically, I was actually surprised to hear this, but she has the largest cumulative social media following, and a following shortly under her.
Speaker 12And then you had Recktenwald, obviously, versus Kestenbaum. But the last one, the undercard debate, that's Ryan Mulally versus Pisco Liddy. And they have almost, you know, in comparison, relatively, a much smaller... you know, platform, a much smaller footprint. But they're really good and they're energetic and they were supportive and they understand the vision and they were just happy to be a part of this.
Speaker 12And part of this is we can get away from having the same 10 gatekeepers tell us what to do. When we decentralize communication, it's not a joke. So we have the ability, the people have the ability to choose who they want to be their representatives. We don't have to rely on the same 10 people anymore. And so. We want to help find those people, find the diamonds in the rough, the one who have the stones to jump on stage and battle against the best, but also the intellectual capabilities to back it up and change people's minds and explore thoughts and arguments that maybe we haven't heard before from a fresh perspective.
Speaker 12And I think that's really important. And I think that's one thing that the mainstream media specifically never allowed. And we have the ability to do that. both in the underground leagues, in the digital realm, and on stage. We want to represent that. We want to bring people and empower people, whatever their voices, whatever their viewpoints may be, but not just from the top, from the bottom up too.
@malleusigThat sounds awesome. And it's just sad that I think if it has to be done in person, I won't be able to join too much. But a lot of us, a lot of us, you know, especially.
Speaker 12Like I said, we're going to be doing digital debates. There's a whole host of reasons why digital debates are helpful. It's low impact for us. You know, we don't have to spend a ton of money to try to put the whole event together. And it also lets people get spice in their belts. It also helps us build the league. It lets us pull in a lot of fighters.
Speaker 12and get stats. You know, we don't want, hey, okay, I, you know, I'm Bob and I participated in one event. Okay, so you're, and I won or I lost. So I either have 1-0 or 0-1. And so, you know, we want people to have a lot of wins. And in order to do that in a way that's affordable, the digital realm offers us that capability.
Speaker 12We can pull people in to debate any time, any place. We don't have to have a venue. And
@malleusigAllows to expedite that process That's so that's interesting because one of the things one of the reasons I joined Twitter for was to debate but one of the problems I run into is that people have stopped debating me because I'm showing them up right. So a lot of the debates on Israel Palestine I've tended to come out on top even though they'll never admit it but
@malleusigOver time, they've stopped showing up in my spaces. They won't come to debate me anymore. And so having an organized event like this where you have two people that are like this guy and this guy and go at it would actually be extremely refreshing.
Speaker 12We are a young organization, but we are ambitious.
@joann_marieDid he cut off when it's me?
@malleusigYeah, I lost him too.
@joann_marieYeah, no, you cut off for a second.
Speaker 12I'm sorry. We had you at the word ambitious and then you cut off. Yeah, you know, we're ambitious. And also we're free speech champions. And DM me. So, you know, the invite is open. For anyone who's listening right now, you can go to wordofa.com and you can enter the arena. And you can put in your information and help us try to find you.
Speaker 12And our DMs are open too. You know, that may not be forever, but for now they are. And you can reach out to us directly. And we'll do our best to kind of sort through that. Like I said, we just wrapped this event, and then we're moving on to the 28th will be the next event, the next live in-person event in between, and we fully anticipate to have a few digital bouts.
Speaker 12So, you know, we're open. We're ready to play. We're ready to show what we can do and grow and provide a platform for anyone to battle on anything. So I guess I can announce, I can't announce everyone, but... We have announced that Stefan Molyneux will be participating in the next one. So that's an interesting kind of OG of debate.
Speaker 12He's jumping in. It'll be the first time he's debated publicly in about eight or nine years. So after his deplatforming. So he'll be back. So it'll be interesting. But we're going to have the...
@malleusigThis is... Yep.
Speaker 12No, go ahead.
@malleusigNo, I was just going to add one of the things that I and I think others have noticed on Twitter is that... A lot of the people, like Stephen Molyneux, right? I'm not saying him particularly is this, but a lot of the people that are famous for being debaters are actually kind of lightweights when it comes to the discussions that we've had.
@malleusigI've been in spaces where I've had much, much better discussions than the ones that I've seen on YouTube, for example. And it would be very interesting to see... some of the people that become famous because they're being pushed by the right, they're being supported and being helped to become famous, right? Because they're pushing a certain line, but they're actually not as robust or as disciplined thinkers as a couple of nobodies on Twitter that are doing this all the time too.
@malleusigIt'd be interesting to see that kind of David and Goliath match. That would be extremely, I think, gratifying for a lot of people.
Speaker 12Sure. And we have, you know, it's kind of, we know that that's something that's kind of baked into these concepts. And so as we grow, we're touching, you know, we're looking at and exploring a whole bunch of different models. There's this format for debate that we use for this event, but there's a whole host of different formats that can be used and models that would work.
Speaker 12And we would love to see the up and comer, someone who's just really savage, knows his stuff, who's energetic, who's charismatic. And those details in and out go against a legacy name and win. That would be amazing. That would be, we want that. That would be, I would love that to happen.
@malleusigCool.
@joann_marieAnd we also have Chris Brunette in the listeners and he was the one who asked the question on Amalek. Maybe he wants to come up and say hi. And if not, that's okay.
Speaker 9Ben, I love what you're doing. All right.
@joann_marieYeah, I sent him a mic. Oh, I think he left.
Speaker 12He's at the event. I talked to him. Well, either way, hi, Chris. I met him at the event. Great guy. We talked. Yeah, and he's in conversation. He was interested in becoming a part of the league, too. So, you know, we're here. And I'm going to let you guys go. I have to jump on. I've got to travel out early in the morning.
Speaker 12But I just wanted to jump on, introduce ourselves, and address the concerns because it's rightful for us to do so. I'm going to let you guys know that Michael was absolutely great. He put on an amazing show. And he was a gentleman the entire time and the person he came with. And so we're happy to have him. We're grateful to have him.
Speaker 12And for our first event, I don't know if he won or didn't win the debate.
@joann_marieIs Robert bonding a little bit or is he?
Speaker 12He is, but let him wrap up.
@malleusigWe can still understand him.
Speaker 12But... You know, having him in the ring, I think, is a statement in itself. And I think it was a victory, whether he won or lost the debate, you know, technically. I think that having him in the ring is a victory in itself because it's representing a worldview that many people care about. And so we're happy to have him back, obviously.
Speaker 12And, you know, happy to have you guys see the league, look at it, grow with us, help us. And that goes for anyone who's listening. So that's all I have to say. I got to jump out early. travel out early tomorrow, but I just at least want to jump in and give our viewpoint, introduce ourselves, and say that we understand that this could have been done better, and we are going to do that in the future.
@malleusigThanks a lot. What about the Millennium Hilton Hotel? Hold on a second. Thank you very much for coming. You've actually got me a lot more excited about the idea. Obviously, I haven't seen the recording yet. I don't know when it's going to be available, but I'm looking forward to being able to see it.
Speaker 12It's live right now.
@malleusigIt is?
Speaker 12Yeah, it's live right now on the top of our spaces, yes. I mean, on the top of our X account. So if you go to our X account, it's pinned at the top.
@malleusigOkay, so everyone go there and go to the X account. I'm going to go there and watch the entire thing. I'm actually really curious to see how it went.
Speaker 12It's seven, it's like seven, eight hours. And right now we have our people helping it and going through it right now. It's going to be live from the beginning all the way to the end. So from about... 3.30ish all the way to like 11 when the last debate ended. It's running live. So we're in there right now. We're chopping, we're clipping, we're looking at things.
Speaker 12We're going to polish it up. Like I said, we had a whole bunch of technical issues, which you will see clearly and transparently. And so we're trying to fix as much of that in post. We're not going to be ending the debates. We just want to clean it up and try to put it in the way that we were supposed to and wanted to present it to the public.
Speaker 12And then going forward, like I said, we're going to clean up a bunch of those issues. But it's live right now. You can go check it out. That's great. And be gentle on us because we know there's some technical issues.
@malleusigYou're going to get so many clips out of eight hours of debate. You're going to flood Twitter over the next two weeks. That's awesome.
Speaker 12It's blowing up. I can't keep up fast enough. Our analytics are going crazy. um people are already going in and flipping there's some really fiery conversations actually you know obviously michael and chavos their their their debate was one of the most both with the audience and online is one of the most uh you know looked at ones right now so you know we're we're excited for it i'll bring it on fantastic all right well we don't want to keep you so what about 1968 the forest the forest you gotta hold on a second buddy um
@malleusigHave a great one. DeForest, do you have a relevant question or are you just shouting things? Well, here's the thing. Stanley Kubrick, okay, a Jewish man. Hold on, hold on. When did he die? March 7th? No, no. They have to go, okay? We're not going to ask them questions about Stanley Kubrick right now, okay, buddy? All right.
@malleusigWorld War, thank you very much. It was fantastic to have you. I look forward to seeing the entire debate. Absolutely, guys.
Speaker 12And have a good night. We'll see you at the next World War II. It's going to be March 28th. And just give us a follow-up.
@malleusigAwesome. Yeah, everyone follow him, and they'll see you at the next one. So, excellent. All right. Ian, do you want to get back to Star Wars? What do you want to do here?
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, let's do that. And as a real quick, and I'll add this up to the nest for everybody. Actually, I'll add the original one. And this just comes full circle. on this idea of uh disingenuous debate tactics and what i mean by that is obviously i had the and we talked about this at the very start of the conversation right the the jk rowling little spat that i had with her and the thing that i find funny is here's yet another presentation of the spat
Ian MalcolmBut it's basically presuming the victor because the person that's reporting on this is kind of trying to lift up JK Rawlings and suggesting that she quote unquote hit back. Now, I don't know who Ali London is with the half million viewers. Is there a pink tweet that I'm not seeing yet?
@malleusigI'm sorry? I'm sorry, what are you talking about? Oh, it's up in the net. Oh, okay, it just didn't show up for us yet. Oh, there it is. Got it. Thanks, man.
Ian MalcolmYeah, so I don't know who Ali London is, but with half a million followers that puts in hit back. And the thing that's so interesting about this is, again, this idea of there's no debate of the idea. Not one person, and not J.K. Rowling included, and almost every single person that just trolled the response that I gave her.
Ian MalcolmNobody has suggested, what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with Israel. Because obviously it does. And there's no way to look at all the things that took place last year. The fact that Netanyahu has visited with Trump more than any world leader has. ever, according to Grok, visited with the U.S. sitting president while in office, right?
Ian MalcolmYou can look at all of these different things, the timing of all of this, its conjunction with everything with Venezuela, with Maduro. Like, there's no way, after all the saber rattling that took place as recently as Donald Trump saying when he met with Netanyahu, if Iran doesn't come to the table, the United States is going to have to escalate.
Ian MalcolmLike, that is being said hand in hand with Israel.
Ian MalcolmAgain, just to round out this entire, let's say, opposition that we face. They own basically all the big megaphones. They own all the platforms. They can censor and suppress. They can roll out the bots to add likes to whatever side of an argument is needed. But they can't debate the ideas. And so all of the debates that we're going to have have to always be rooted in trying to wrangle people back to the factual aspects of what we're talking about.
Ian MalcolmBecause they won't want to do it. Instead, it's the hits back at, and it's presented as if it's like a, what's the rag, you'd have it like the checkout line, Rabbi. They had a TV program. It's like one of the gossip.
@malleusigDaily World News.
Ian MalcolmExactly. Like one of those things, right? Like J.K. Rawlings hits back at Ian Malcolm, right? Nobody wants to do that.
@malleusigSo Ali, listen, you have to know who Ali London is. Ali London is really famous because, He decided he was going to be trans-Korean, okay? So he got... I'm assuming he was a Caucasian.
Ian MalcolmAs in he's non-Korean and wants to be Korean? Or as in he's male and wants to be female and is Korean?
@malleusigNo, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, Ali London is one of the more interesting little Twitter sagas we have. Ali London became famous originally because... he decided to become trans-Korean, which means, I think he was Caucasian, and he decided to undergo facial reconstruction surgery to look Korean.
Speaker 9What the fuck is that?
@malleusigIs this a true story? Hold on, I'm going to look this up to make sure I'm not misrepresenting this, because if Ali Lund is reposting you, this space is probably going to get listened to. Yeah, so... um and people will call people will try and sue me if i misrepresent anything but yeah so if you go he ali london he is an internet personality according to google right and um he essentially i can't find you can see pictures of it though i can't find a wikipedia article but like i'm gonna go okay i'm gonna do the lawyer thing from the best of my memory what happened is he is yeah
@malleusigOkay, here, I'll read the about blurb. So he is known for his multiple ethnic plastic surgery procedures intended to make him look like Jimin, a member of the South Korean boy band BTS. Born in England, London's interest in South Korean culture began after moving to South Korea in 2013 to teach English. Now, this is all well and good.
@malleusigI'm not going to shit on the guy for wanting to look like a boy band member. Again, it's his aesthetics. It's his thing. I'm not going to attack that. What I will attack is, if I remember correctly, he's a huge Israel shill, which would explain why he's reposting this. He is one of the people that would show up in my timeline most consistently as against the Palestinians and
@malleusigbasically just for whatever Israel's for at the time, right? Oh my God. Okay, there is... Wow, that is not a flattering photograph of the plastic surgery. I'm not going to post that one. But yeah, so this is the reason why I didn't like him.
@joann_marieI googled that none of them are flattering. Yes.
@malleusigThis is one of the reasons why I became the reverse of an Ali London fan. I was actually, when he was doing the pie surgery, I was like, hey, that's kind of based. That's actually kind of interesting and quirky. But then when he was like, I'm going to... I'm going to guzzle as much Israeli cock as I can. Then I was like, well, now you've lost my respect.
@malleusigI'm sorry.
@malleusigSo that's the background on him.
Ian MalcolmSo to get us back on track, I put up into the nest a clip that is from, I believe it's the Revenge of the Sith, which I think to get us back into this frame, right? We talked about the religion of the original trilogy. some of the politics of the sequel. Well, what's, what's called the prequel trilogy. Um, I think the scene that I just put up in the nest, if you wouldn't mind playing that, it kind of perfectly personifies perhaps what we're living through right now in this era of, of rising totalitarianism.
@malleusigYeah. Yeah.
Ian MalcolmUm, and a shout out for what it's worth. I see diligent down there in the listener panel. Just want to give him a big thumbs up, a big, big fan. And, um, He's always allowed me to come into spaces and provide, you know, kind of our slightly more radical view of the world. And so I just want to give him lots of love and may the force be with him.
Ian MalcolmAnd if he wants to come up, he's certainly welcome to.
@malleusigWe're not radical. We're centrists.
Ian MalcolmWe're the centrist Jedi. We're the Qui-Gon Jinn of the Jedi. We're not so radical. We have the pastel lightsabers, for crying out loud. I don't want a pastel. I want the green one.
Speaker 9I want Luke.
Speaker 6Well, according to MAGA, we're the leftists now. I know.
Ian MalcolmIsn't that crazy how that happens? Whatever they need us to be, as long as it's not something that whoever they're talking to would want to be part of. I'm just waiting for them to say that we're the LGBT movement. It's like, wait, what? Huh?
@malleusigWhat happens is the last people to find institutional acceptance are always the reality-based community. The people that insist on adhering to objective reality are always the political homeless. Always. Every single fucking time. And I know that because I've spent multiple decades. I'm not going to say how many. But I've spent multiple decades being politically homeless for exactly this reason.
@malleusigBut... But yeah, back to Star Wars. So yeah, so the prequels now, we have all this kind of thing. And the whole thing was like the title, The Phantom Menace, was enough to set my spider sense going. Even the first time I saw it, I was like, hold on a second. That cuts a little close to the bone here. And I remember watching the, I think it was the second movie when he came out as...
@malleusigWas it the second? I think the third, actually, when he came out. No, no. OK, so it was like the second movie when you really found out who he was. That was when it because when you you see his character development of the emperor. Right. The second movie is when you realize as the audience that he's evil and the characters don't know yet.
@malleusigAnd that's when it really struck home. It was like, OK, this is beginning to sound a little familiar. And so, yeah, I think I think to be honest, I think that. a lot of the prequels were George Lucas. It was basically George Lucas knows more than he's letting on, but he works in Hollywood and he knows exactly how much he can get away with saying and how much he can't.
@malleusigAnd so this is kind of his way to try and, you know, either get the message out or kind of thumb his nose at the people that were pressuring him to make changes in the first three movies, because the rain doesn't know the first three movies. you literally can't see the originals anymore. There are fan edits of the first three movies that were made by guerrilla filmmakers where they went through old VHS tapes from like 1987, right?
@malleusigTo try and find the original footage of things that were changed by Lucas and try and reconstruct it so that people can have the same experience and see the same movie they saw when they were kids. And Lucas and now also Disney have been adamant about not letting people see the original movies. And one of the things that I've always suspected was that Star Wars was not meant to be as good as it was.
@malleusigStar Wars awakened something in American men, especially, because it's a very, it's a very, it's very much a myth for boys, right? It's a very, it's a very, what's the word, gratifying and encouraging myth for young men. And seeing as the agenda has been specifically to demoralize young men, especially demoralize young white Caucasian men as much as possible, I think what happened was this movie was not expected to do as well.
@malleusigAnd they were like, if we can let this one slip under the radar, you can go ahead and make this one. But then it became this huge unexpected hit. And they were like, oh my God, he's setting back our agenda by years. And that's why they had to make these constant edits where they were like, essentially kind of like making it less serious like we're going to add in more more walking lizards and more jokes and we're going to add in two droids running around and making crazy noises here and all this other crazy shit over here and i think what they did is they neutered they did everything they could to neuter the myth system or take away the power of it
@malleusigespecially, for example, the scene where Luke, and again, I hope I'm not spoiling anything for anyone who hasn't seen The Empire Strikes Back yet, but for the scene where Luke finds out that Darth Vader is his father and he falls down that huge ventilation shaft. In the original movie, right, they're like, well, you know, he doesn't make any noise.
@malleusigHe just falls because it's his choice. But when they changed it, they added a scream, right? And for me, this takes away a lot of the power because now it doesn't feel like it's a choice by Luke. It feels like he just kind of slipped. And that takes away some of the nobility in the gesture he made. And also you have the infamous scene with Han Solo and Greedo that inspired so many t-shirts where it says, you know, Han shot first, where essentially they go in and use computer technology to make it look like...
@malleusigGreedo shot at Han Solo first, and then Han shot him in response, and they ruined the entire scene by doing so. They make the characters look like they're jumping around in ways that are physically impossible, yada, yada, yada. I'm sorry, I'm nerd talking right now, but I'll try and wrap it up quickly. Essentially, what I think happened was Lucas got pissed off because all the Hollywood gargamels were...
@malleusigputting pressure on him to, to fuck with his story that he, he loved. And I think that, um, a lot of the things that you see in the prequels are him kind of like thumbing his nose at those people, uh, in ways that, uh, were not immediately obvious, but, uh, on, on repeat viewing, I think they, they do tend to, they, they do show something, which is worth talking about.
@malleusigI'll stop here. So, uh, go ahead guys.
Speaker 1Hmm.
@malleusigThis is something that I obviously feel very strongly about and spent way too much time thinking about. This is one of those things that I ruminate in the shower, right? And it's like, yeah, wait a whole second. Why did they add a scream? And why did they fuck with Yoda's face and make it look like he was making a mean face with CG after the fact?
@malleusigThis is my private hell. You do not want to join me here. But go ahead. California and then the Force.
@funkmachine__Hi. Yes, thank you, Ian. Thank you, Ian, for making the space available, and thank you, Rabbi, for co-hosting. I came in at around the, I guess, the two-hour mark, so I don't know. Did you guys get a chance to discuss the character of Watto from episode one?
@malleusigNo, no. And that has been I've had many discussions with people saying that he is a Jewish caricature. If if I mean the nose alone. Right. And, you know, being the kind of the shrewd businessman figure as well.
@funkmachine__Did you happen to catch the the documentary with Marcia Lucas when she she briefly remarks on that?
@malleusigI did not.
@funkmachine__Yeah, it's on. Yeah, it's on YouTube and all. I forget the name of it off the top of my head, but you can catch it on YouTube. And she just remarked briefly that she found episode one racist. And she mentioned, you know, the, I forget the, what do you call the race in the beginning where they, there was that, well, there was a race, there was a race of,
@funkmachine__aliens in the beginning. Pod racing?
@malleusigNo, there was an alien race.
@funkmachine__She characterized them as Chinese-like. But then she mentioned Watto as being a Jewish caricature.
@malleusigYeah, no, I've heard that too. I want to see this documentary, actually.
Ian MalcolmSo, Rabbi, definitely, I think he's referring to the Trade Federation characters who, let's say, had rather Asian-sounding affects in their voice. But also, if you want, Rabbi, I put up a little video clip I put on X a while back about Watto that's up in the nest. If you want to play the audio clip, it's pretty on the nose, pun intended.
@malleusigI can do that. Give me a second, give me a second. So, yeah, so the Trade Federation aliens were... They're called Neimoidians. And I do remember people losing, people getting their panties in a bunch about them looking like they're Chinese people. And I think effectively, it wasn't so much the appearance as it was the accents that you mentioned was the thing that people raised.
@malleusigThat was an issue. I do remember that.
@malleusigLet me find this link. No. Fucking hell, man. I'll find it. I'll find it. Bingo, bingo, bingo. There we go. And get that. And you... Shit. Did you put it in the back channel or just... No, it's up in the nest.
Ian MalcolmI can send it to you directly.
@malleusigI'm trying to... I'll copy the link. Because I'm doing PC and phone. The phone has the space and I'm doing links on the PC. I can do it this way. Yep, there we go. I'll play the audio. Give me a sec. Here we go.
Speaker 13Only money. I'm a Tartarian. My trick's gonna work on me. Only money.
Speaker 9Oh, jeez.
@malleusigExactly. Exactly.
Speaker 6He just said he was a Tartarian?
Ian MalcolmYeah, that blended with just the physical look of that character. It's just so spot... And that's the thing. You can't look at that and not think that he was obviously trying to tell you something with that one.
@malleusigHe said a Toydarian. He didn't say Tartarian. He said Toydarian. But if he did say Tartarian, that would be another interesting angle. Yeah, no, this is just way... He even has a little hat. Do you guys notice that? If you look at pictures of Watto, he even has this little tiny hat that he wears.
Speaker 6Ian, what do you mean by he was trying to tell us something?
Ian MalcolmYeah, it feels—and let's think about it this way. Not only does he look a certain way and he say, only money works on me, but the guy is a merchant who, let's not forget, not only is he a merchant rabbi— Okay, let's think this through. So you've got these two— uh, individuals on their journey that, that have a ship that needs to be repaired.
Ian MalcolmSo they go in looking for, uh, a shop from which to buy some parts. They get told the only place in town that you can get these unusual objects is this little guy. So they go and they find him. And who is he? He's this little flying guy. He's got his little wings. He's on your mind. Drinks won't work on me. Only money.
Ian MalcolmHe says. Now, this guy, not only does he run the scrapyard, not only does he try to cheat this guy and overcharge him for the piece that he needs for his ship, but to make it even more on the nose, he also owns the slaves. He has the two of them. He's got the woman with the little kid, so he's got his little child slave labor that, oh, by the way, the child does not only all the work, but the child's also the brilliant one.
Ian MalcolmAnd then not only is the child the brilliant one, but this guy is also... utilize this slave and his talent that is driving the pod racer thing. that he then allows this kid to go participate in the risky, dangerous activity of driving these little motorcycle things around the desert. And what does he do as the little kid is out doing all of the risky, dangerous stuff and providing him with actual value?
Ian MalcolmHe then gambles on the kid and then ultimately ends up losing control of his slave to the Jedi because he gambles the guy's life in return for literally just rupees and a ship. It's so overtly in your face.
@malleusigHe's basically the NBA team owner and Anakin is the player.
Ian MalcolmHe's like Rabbi Shmuley in Star Wars.
@malleusigYeah, exactly.
Ian MalcolmTell me how Ian just said he hit it on the nose.
@malleusigThere's a reason why that phrase exists. It's amazing. We lose track of where our expressions come from. The very phrase, hit it on the nose, probably comes... I'm not going to say it. But again, I talk about the Streisand effect, right? There's a reason the Streisand effect was named after a Jewish woman, right? This is not a chance occurrence.
@malleusigBut yeah, no, dude, that is incredible. I don't even... If you were literally Space Goebbels and you were trying to write a space propaganda poster, you would draw a picture of Watto. With his little tiny hat.
Ian MalcolmThat's why you look at so much of this. And I'm curious, Rabbi, because we haven't really talked about this. Do you know anything about Lucas's kind of religious background? I've seen, and we're going to have to, before we close this down, we're going to have to play one of the audio clips that I absolutely love, not only from this movie that I feel like perhaps it tells our world, and I've got two of them that I think will be of relevance, but also Lucas and kind of his worldview in terms of
Ian Malcolmnot just right and wrong, but how to live a good and what he calls a joyful life. But I'm curious if you know anything else about the guy. I know he was connected early on to like Spielberg and all this other stuff, but he's one of the few Hollywood super legends that's definitely, you know, his name doesn't end with Stein or Berg or any of those other things.
@malleusigYeah, he's not Jewish. He's not Jewish. The, um, the... I think the relationship between Lucas and Spielberg was best summed up in the South Park episode, where essentially they portray Spielberg as the emperor and Lucas as Darth Vader, right? But no, I think he's like some film kid that ended up becoming better at making movies than he was supposed to.
@malleusigAnd the Hollywood machine had to figure out a way to accommodate him as a result. He doesn't always look like he's happy to be there, if I were to put it in a nutshell, right? He's not in with the crowd like Spielberg and those other people. What about THX 1138? I don't see... Okay, THSM 3, that's actually a very, very interesting topic.
@malleusigI hesitate to go there because it will take another 20 minutes, especially because not everyone has seen it, and I'll have to recount certain things. But yes, I agree with you. That is definitely worth discussing, especially seeing as he made it before Star Wars, and it indicates that he knew about the agenda that was going to unfold much later, right?
@malleusigThe whole... Uh, people are given drugs from childhood. Right. Um, and yeah, yeah, I'm definitely with you on that one. Uh, the force. Um, but yeah, I don't, he, he doesn't look like he's, he doesn't look like he's, he was properly initiated, but he ended up in the lodge by mistake in a lot of ways, but he definitely could be, he could be, he could be one of the initiates.
Speaker 3I don't know that he's an issue, but to me, when I look at a movie, like THX 1138, you got Robert Duvall, uh, I mean, I'm full-blooded Italian, so I look at Robert Duvall, I see him as the conciliar for Don Corleone. I mean, he's a cool-ass dude. And there he is. And there he is being controlled by psychopaths, it looks like, at the end of that movie, controlling dials, controlling his brain and how he moves.
Speaker 3Sounds like Neuralink a lot to me.
@malleusigOkay, next week, you lost me to Robert Duvall, right? But... For anyone who hasn't seen THX 1138, THX 1138 is basically a movie about a dystopian future where everyone is essentially turned into over-medicated retards. And we're used to do extremely dangerous work where it requires high concentration. And if we lose concentration, everything apparently just blows up.
@malleusigI don't know why they'd make the factories that way, but in the future they do apparently, right? And so it's essentially, it's a world where everything is painted white and is ultra sterile and you buy things and throw them away five minutes later, right? Nobody has sex with each other. People are made in like test tubes.
@malleusigAnd if you feel horny, then what happens is a vacuum tube with a sucker attachment comes down from the ceiling and you watch a, holographic video of a black woman dancing naked while it essentially blows you all right this is this is one of the weirdest movies i've ever seen but if you have seen what's happened in the 50 years since it was made you cannot help but find parallels um not not least of which is the medication of everyone um but yeah definitely a very very important uh movie to talk about
@malleusigI don't know if the space is for that, though. I think we want to get back to Star Wars.
Speaker 3Well, it's funny because we talk about Star Wars, right? Deals with outer space UFOs. We got that movie Lucifer Rising by Kenneth Anger of the OTO. And at the end of that movie, it's called Lucifer. Yeah, it's called Lucifer Rising by Kenneth Anger of the OTO, Aleister Crowley's organization. Well, it turns out Aleister Crowley's protege, Jack Parsons, he invented modern rocketry, right?
Speaker 3So he would probably be Elon Musk's idol. So Jack Parsons, he was Aleister Crowley's protege. In 1946, he did something called the Babylon Working with the creator of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard.
@malleusigWait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. We're not even anywhere near the topic at this point. We're just doing random other things.
Speaker 3And again, I don't have anything against it. Jack Parsons wrote a book called The Manifesto of the Antichrist. Jack Parsons. And you have Elon Musk wearing an upside-down cross as devil's champ, and his mom appears to be some kind of an Illuminati witch who I called out, and I was attacked.
Ian MalcolmI hate using the mute button, but Rabbi even tried to wrangle it back in, and then... soon as he was like, alright, let's see where you want to take it. You were like, what?
@malleusigBack to your garage.
Ian MalcolmIt feels kind of a little out there.
@malleusigBut again, I have no problem with these discussions. A lot of things people bring up in these discussions are true. I actually enjoy talking about Aleister Crowley, but if you're going to just jump between things like this, you're going to lose everyone, including me, and it stops being a fruitful discussion. Why is there a six-pointed star on The Lesser Keith Solomon by Aleister Crowley?
Ian MalcolmWait, wait, wait. I'm so confused. Yeah, how are you... Like, please... I don't want to say take the hint, because that sounds condescending, but... We're trying to wrangle it back in, and then you're like, what about the beaver that's over there on the wall? What is going on?
@malleusigThere are two possibilities, Ian, right? There are two possibilities. One is this guy is, he's this guy. He's the guy that has all this stuff. He's got notebooks and notebooks filled with all this stuff he's figured out, and he's just desperate to share it. That's one possibility. The other possibility is, hold on a second, buddy.
@malleusigThe other possibility is that he's one of these actors from like Langley, Virginia, that comes on spaces with the same kind of notebook, but they do it specifically to make anyone that believes in any one. Like sound like they believe in every homeless, crazy person that comes across, you know, the space. And I'm definitely in favor of discussing some of these topics, but I'm always going to discuss it in a controlled, logical and calm way.
@malleusigIf you can't do that, you're not in the right space. I love you. I think you're probably a great person. I don't even think you're an operative. It's just that I have a standard. And I think Ian probably has something along the similar lines. At least I have a standard of behavior and a standard of the case you're going to make.
@malleusigAnd if you cannot make a coherent case, if you're just going to jump from topic to topic, you're not right for us. I'm sorry. It's not working out.
Ian MalcolmIt's not you, it's me. It's not you, it's me. Look, I normally would just let things go. And I really enjoy all of the kind of different directions that you were taking things. But knowing that Truth Teller opened up a space and that going to try and wrap this up in probably the next 15 minutes or so, I just want to be respectful to everybody else that's up here.
@malleusigThat sounds perfect. That sounds perfect. And actually, he got me looking up Luciferizing. So this is another thing I can add to my research as well. Do you want to go, do you want to go to hands? You want to try and fit in more Star Wars?
Ian MalcolmYeah, let's go through a couple more hands. And look, I'd be curious for people's thoughts. And I'll give you kind of two little flavors here because we talked through some of the religion. We then went to some of the politics of the prequel and this idea of the phantom menace, right? That there's this intentionally created, essentially false flag constructed by the people in power.
Ian Malcolmto scare everybody into turning over all of their authority to this nefarious force. Now, the thing that's really curious about it is in the second film of the prequel trilogy, Count Dooku, who is the villain of the film. He's the bad guy. And yet he has a moment where he's got Obi-Wan Kenobi captive. He could kill him.
Ian MalcolmHe could shoot him. He could do all kinds of things. And instead, what does he do? He tells him that you're actually working for a group that has been subverted. Your order thinks it's doing the right thing and it's going out and it's basically trying to take control of everything through this dark force that is manipulating all of your actions.
Ian MalcolmAnd we are merely rebels that are trying to fight against it. Now, the irony is that that story ends up being 100% correct. He's not disingenuous. He's actually doing the thing that is. And this is why the rabbi to prime you and everybody else, The thing that I find really fascinating about the prequels and I did not appreciate them nearly enough until I really watched them through this lens.
Ian MalcolmThey tell the story of the, the limitlessly talented kid who's got all the opportunity in front of him. He can do anything. And he's told. You have to rein it in within these confines. You have to do things the way that we want. You can't excel or develop your skills at a pace that we're not comfortable with. You can't go outside of us.
Ian MalcolmYou can't be clever. You can't be creative. You have to follow the blueprint that we provide. You also can't fall in love. You have to give that up entirely and give up all of your other interpersonal passions.
@malleusigYou're not allowed to masturbate.
Ian MalcolmCan't do any of that stuff. And so what happens to that? individual because he is locked down and tied down he has a couple of things that are both in his control that he does that is i suppose wrong but it's not necessarily evil and then at the same time he also has limitations that he's not able to protect the people that he really cares about namely his mother who he loses and he says that he wishes he had the power that he could have been there and savor and then of course he fears in the third film that he's also going to lose
Ian MalcolmHis love interest that he's had to have this secret relationship with because the powers that be tell him that he wasn't supposed to have in the first place.
@malleusigSo what I find fascinating about- Don't even get started on the lingerie that she was wearing in the prequel, man.
Ian MalcolmOh, all about it, right? Now the challenge is, and the thing that makes it so fascinating is when you look at it through that prism, and this goes back to the good and evil and light and dark and all those things, is that you actually start to recognize, is Darth Vader the creation of evil? Or is it actually the path that this character has to go through where he has his ups and downs and the light and the dark and all those other complications of life to ultimately arrive at the conclusion where even though he makes all these bad decisions and he for a while fights with the Empire and all this stuff at the very end, redeems himself and essentially saves the galaxy, right?
Ian MalcolmThe question is, is Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker, whatever you want to call him, is he the chosen one? Or is he merely the chosen one because he begets the one that's actually the chosen one, which would then be his son Luke, right? And I find that fascinating because it complicates the whole idea of good and evil, what it means to be good.
Ian MalcolmAnd it also gives a lot of humanity to the character that becomes Darth Vader, whereas I think a lot of people just watch it and they enjoy the space lasers. But I find that more complex interpersonal story as well as the politics. The thing that's fascinating, Rabbi, I feel like, and I would never want them to do it because they would destroy it.
Ian MalcolmBut I feel like if somebody could take a mature Christopher Nolan approach to rebooting that prequel trilogy franchise, you could make it beyond fascinating. It could be unbelievable, but I hope they don't do it. But in the same breath, I almost try to envision how phenomenal it could have been if it had just been delivered with more of an adult tone.
@malleusigWell, I think when AI video gets better, we need to make our own trilogy. We need to make our own feature-length trilogy that would explain the things much better. The first set is basically Space Wizards versus the Corporation, is essentially how it's been characterized. And that's one of the main themes. And the whole...
@malleusigDarth Vader redeeming himself was always talked about as this unification of the magic and the myth and all these things that are psychologically very satisfying and basically it's victory over naked corporatism, naked government control, which is very sterile and psychologically unsatisfying, right? And that's one angle, and then we can talk about how Count Dooku, his name is literally Count Duke, right?
@malleusigHis name is literally just, it's two titles, and he has a conspicuous British accent, and Anakin has a conspicuous American accent, and the Emperor abandons Dooku, right, who was his previous Jedi champion. and then hops over and allows Dooku to die, and then takes Anakin. And now, again, Darth Vader is America, Dooku is England, and the Emperor is, again, international Jewry.
@malleusigThere's that element as well.
Ian MalcolmAnd ironically, for what it's worth, the Count Dooku is telling the story about how the Jedi are corrupted, which is true. Which is true. Except he is also unknowingly, Part of the same plan, if that makes sense. The light and the dark are the Hegelian dialect in the prequel trilogy.
@malleusigAnd so let's look at it as if the Jedi, what do the Jedi represent? Do they represent the Vatican? Do they represent Catholicism, right? It's the Mormons. But I'm saying, because you can make a parallel here, because Catholicism has been corrupted for a long time from the inside. And Catholicism, my take on that is that it was corrupted purposely.
@malleusigin order to make people leave it. It was corrupted purposely to make it feel like less of a valid religion. People would not find it satisfying anymore, and they would leave it, and then they would become atheistic. And atheists are much easier for Jews to wrangle, because now you're on Jewish home turf. Atheism is very much...
@malleusigIt's Jewish adjacent, right? So they know how to control atheists way better than Christians. And that's what we've seen happen, right? So again, you have like, you know, the idea would be then the emperor was responsible both for the, in the movie, in the movie, he's responsible both for this kind of setting up of the Sith or this, you know, this propagation of the Sith.
@malleusigHe's also responsible for this corruption of the Jedi Order from inside because he's behind going through and creating the Clone Army and all this other stuff as well. You have a real parallel you can draw here. I would not be in the least surprised if that's what Lucas was after. Although you could never get him to admit to it because his life would be forfeit if he did, I imagine.
@malleusigBut no, there's all kinds of things you can draw from that. And in that sense, Dooku might not even be a bad guy. he might just be one of these guys who thought he was doing the right thing and was used and tricked by the emperor, which now makes me more sympathetic to him.
Ian MalcolmNo, well, and that's the whole thing. And I've got a video clip I was going to post up. And it's basically Count Dooku telling his plan to Obi-Wan Kenobi, which is that he believes that he's on the righteous side of things. And that's why I brought up the fact that he could kill him and he doesn't, right? And he says, hey, I want you to see the world the way that I see it so that we can all work together, which is such a, it is, he's not the villain.
Ian MalcolmObi-Wan's not the villain, right? The villain is the guy at the very top who's just pulling all of these strings over, or the wool over everybody's eyes. And it's just fascinating, because again, that just adds this layer of who is the light and the dark side in this situation, if either, because... I guess you could make the argument that they're both on the light side, they just don't recognize what they're fighting against.
Ian MalcolmHe was Yoda's Padawan.
Speaker 14Sorry? He was Yoda's Padawan, so he did obviously have considerable amount of training to him and knowledge, right?
Ian MalcolmSo Star was, because you sound familiar with the lore here, so in your eyes, is he even a villain given... that he thinks he's fighting for the right side of a cause.
Speaker 14I'd say he's more in, like, the class of the Grey Jedi, which is technically kind of in the middle. And it's not exactly fitting in the lore, but I think that he was more manipulated into that position. And because of that, became okay with going along with that, so he became corrupted over time.
@malleusigYeah, that sounds about right. But what I was going to say is you could actually draw a parallel now, like does he represent something like Freemasonry, where they see themselves, or anyone who hasn't been sufficiently initiated, hasn't made it past like the 33rd degree, sees themselves as the good guys, right? And what they don't understand is that they're actually, they're just a population control layer above Judaism, right?
@malleusigThey're another layer of the onion, but the real evil is at the center controlling them as well.
Speaker 14You know, food for thought, with the United States going to the moon within the next little while, if we establish a state there, we might start moving towards establishing a cosmic republic. I do actually talk on Spaces about this concept from time to time. I've actually written a book on the cosmic republic philosophy.
Speaker 14Yeah.
@malleusigIt's called The Star Republic. And that's why you're Star Captain.
@malleusigAll right. Well, I was going to add, the only thing I was going to add to that was that if you have that, if you're drawing these conclusions, then Maul might represent the kind of Luciferianism. He could represent the Satanists, which are also a cult set up by the central control layer, right? So the emperor. But that is kind of neither here nor there.
@malleusigBut that's an interesting, if you wrote up, I'm going to follow you as I'm now interested in your book.
Speaker 14If I may, I'll put it up in the nest. It's literally only a dollar on Amazon. I think it might still be free, though. I put it on free for a promotion a couple of days ago, but it might have ended now. I put it out there just so that people can consider it and drop reviews and feedback. Basically, the context of it is that going into space, we could have an economic alliance, which is the Artemis Accords and NATO
Speaker 14forming a defensive and economic cooperative union. We can basically design a self-sustainable, self-governing city as a model of colonization that we could use as colonies, and it would act as a city-state that would be decentralized and ultimately aim to become self-sustainable and self-replicatable so that we could continue expanding.
Speaker 14It would operate as a colony in a shipyard, able to essentially build its own starships
@malleusigand that would be the model of the republic in a short form that sounds technically very impressive although i shudder to think uh i shudder at the prospect of america expanded out into space uh seeing how poorly they're running their own limited real estate at the moment but uh
Speaker 14If it goes to the point where Canada and Greenland are annexed, that creates a continental republic, and a cosmic republic could be something that could grow from that.
@malleusigWhat if only certain Americans move to outer space, and the other Americans, we let them keep North America?
Speaker 14Well, I mean, each mothership or colony could kind of operate itself. So there's nothing to say that, you know, there can't be a left-leaning city on Mars and a right-leaning city in a center city.
Ian MalcolmI was thinking about Madagascar as a planet, if I'm not mistaken.
@malleusigWhat's that?
Ian MalcolmI said, I think you're making maybe reference to the Madagascar zone of the solar system, right?
@malleusigNo, to be honest, I was thinking more about the light side and the dark side of the force, if you get my drift.
@malleusigSo, but yeah, you know, this sounds, if we can do that, I think it would work.
Ian MalcolmNo, that's certainly an interesting concept. And one more to throw out there and then want to go around and get some additional thoughts and go through some hands. The last little thing that we could throw into this equation, and I think this has less to do with politics and religion and more to do with modernity. And there's a bunch of different compare and contrast that we can make between the original films and what Lucas was doing and Disney.
Ian MalcolmOne of the ones that is the most, overt is this idea that there are bloodlines that are significant, which I find very, very, very curious because obviously Lucas really wanted to emphasize that. Again, that's another biblical reference, as is literally the name Luke, right? They're very right at you there with the obvious symbolism.
Ian MalcolmAnd so this idea of bloodlines and genetics and that you are your father's son and therefore you're going to inherit something. If you then look at the Disney rendition and everything that they did with the Luke or what was it? The, the, uh, Ray and Kylo Ren saga. They even had this specific call out where they have the little, they called him the broom boy in a lot of the YouTube reviews, right?
Ian MalcolmI hate that kid. The kid that's just, he's just a vagabond. And look, everybody's got their walks of life. Nobody should be judged based on, on, you know, that alone, especially not things like socioeconomics, but The idea that anybody and everybody can become the Jedi is antithetical to the whole message that Lucas was sharing.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I find this notion of bloodlines, their significance, versus the kind of modern, woke rendition, that it's all the individual and all this other kind of stuff. It just goes to show, as a microcosm for what Rabbi was saying at the beginning of this space, the idea that it's a change, it's a shift in not only the zeitgeist, but also...
Ian Malcolmsome of these things that you would almost think of as a religious perspective on the world or a viewpoint, which has gone from that it's significant to have your ethics and to have your bloodline or your people or your whatnot, whereas today it is everybody's just a widget, everything is independent, and none of that stuff matters.
Ian MalcolmEverybody can be anything, essentially. And so, Rabbi, I'd be curious for some of your thoughts on that, and then we can go around to some hands and let people throw their thoughts in.
@malleusigOkay, so this is, yeah, this is like movie eight. movie eight is the only star wars movie i uh i honestly if i wasn't there with my family and friends i would have walked out halfway through all right um and the reason why is because was i had my i had my misgivings at the beginning but i stayed with it and as soon as we went to the casino planet and um i saw the i saw the um
@malleusigthe kind of, like, morality play they had going. They had the defense contractors reference. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's like, essentially, they go to this casino planet and they're all these capitalists, these capitalist billionaires in a casino planet, you know, being degenerates and, like, gambling money while the rest of the empire is suffering and shit.
@malleusigAnd I'm like, I'm... You know, I was an adult when I saw it, so I had read up on the Cultural Revolution and all that kind of thing and Chinese communism. And so... like the kids in the audience can be forgiven to not making the parallels but for me it was so in your face and i was like this is literally communist propaganda this is literally uh you know you literally have the only asian character in the entire series right the young asian girl who is nothing like she's like a you know she's like a
@malleusigshe's like, uh, how can I put this? Like, she's a white piece of paper as, as a character goes, like she's completely uninteresting. There's nothing shocking or interesting or mysterious about her. She's not physically attractive, but for some reason she's supposed to be a love interest for the black guy. Uh, because I guess the Chinese don't like the idea of black men being, you know, heroes, 11, just whatever the fuck it is.
@malleusigRight. But like, she's supposed to be 11 to the black guy. And, um, She is like, we're going to this planet and in this completely unnecessary side quest, and we're going to find this guy. And while we're there, I'm going to discover that they are abusing these poor deer-like alien animals. And I'm going to set them all free and tell them to run and be happy while the casino planet or the casino gets destroyed.
@malleusigShe literally rides animals through the casino planet. Sorry. I keep saying casino planet. She keeps riding. She literally runs the animals, like rides them through the casino and like upsets all these people gambling. And they're like these little caricatures of stupid looking short billionaires. And the little droid thing is like shooting money at them.
@malleusigAnd it's I was like, this is way, way too on the nose. This is literally a huge advertising. advertisement for communist revolution she does everything except say you have you have nothing to lose but your chains right during while this is going on so there's that and then you have the fact that the um you know carrie fisher's assistant um it's like carrie fisher in the movie like leia has this assistant that uh follows her around uh the entire thing and
@malleusigI don't know if I'm the only one that noticed this, but this assistant looks a lot like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, like a lot like Debbie Wasserman Schultz does. And I'm like, this is really, really, really weird. And the entire thing, it was like it was so political. It was like they were trying to incite. They were trying to infect young people.
@malleusigThey're trying to embed the idea of communist revolution in the minds of young people that are. getting ready to go to college like in the next two to three years without saying it explicitly because everything that carrie fisher represented as the rebels in that movie was pro-democrats again the deb wasman schultz thing right it was like pro-democrats pro-revolution pro-communism
@malleusigAnd at the end of the movie, what does she literally say? It's like the hope is the young, like the children, like the children we're looking, we're basically, it's up to the kids now is what she said. And I marked that in my mind and I was like, okay, we're probably going to see a lot, a lot of, we're going to see something new and conspicuous in the next year that involves kids getting politically active.
@malleusigAnd what do you literally have within a year of that happening is you have the, uh the school shooting where that obnoxious kid that everyone hates with the punchable face uh what was his name um i forget his name he looks like he looks like a uh i gotta find his name but anyway they tried to turn that into a big political movement with like you know our not on our bodies or some shit like that not our name or something
@malleusigAnd they tried to turn the entire thing into a recruiting drive for little kids into the Democratic Party, essentially. And, you know, it was a drive to take away guns. He's like the most anti-gun, you know, voice on the planet. And again, I was like, oh, OK, so that was essentially what they were signaling with that. And that little broom boy thing is like just a call to that is like, oh, guess what?
@malleusigYou're young. You're 12. You're 14. You might be a Jedi, but only if you join the Democratic Party and help us overthrow the tyrannic capitalists, essentially, was the message that I got from that movie. Okay, rant end. I'm sorry, guys. Go ahead. I'm going to look up names and shit now. Go ahead, California. Go ahead.
Ian MalcolmLet's go to California, and then Santino, if he wants to hop in, and then we can go to Iconic and Gen Z. Yeah, Rabbi, I put the documentary...
@funkmachine__with Marsha Lucas. I put that into the purple pill as well as the brief clip where, you know, she mentions the Watto character. I put, I put those two in a purple pill and I included your, your handle. So it should show in your notifications.
@malleusigExcellent. Thanks, man. Thanks a lot. Okay. I want to watch that. And the guy's name was David Hogg. For anyone who doesn't know, his name is David Hogg. Awesome.
@malleusigThanks, California. Okay. So I think I've just turned all the energy out of the space with my rant. So we'll go back to Ian. Do you want to close it down?
Ian MalcolmWell, let's check in if Santino or Gen Z or Iconic want to throw out some ideas on any of the pieces we've talked about. And then after, we'll wind things down.
Speaker 10Excellent. Hello, hello. Yeah, I'm not really familiar with... Were we talking about Star Wars?
@malleusigYep. We're nerds in here.
Speaker 10Really familiar.
@malleusigThat's okay. You're probably doing something productive with your adolescence. Like dating women.
Speaker 10Right, yeah. I was trying to pitch some ideas to J.K. Rowling. I mean, if you can get her in here.
@malleusigOh, I'll get her. Give me a sec.
Speaker 6Yo, Ian, all you gotta do is hit up your friend, man.
@malleusigYo, Joanne, I see you in the audience. Come on up to the stage.
@malleusigNo, the joke is we can't get her. I'm sorry. I wish we could. We can't. She's J.K. Rowling, dude.
Speaker 10Okay.
@malleusigIs there something you wanted to say to her?
Speaker 10Yeah, I have some ideas I want to pitch over to her.
@malleusigOh, like about the next Harry Potter movie?
Speaker 10Yes, or something, whatever she wants to do with it.
@malleusigAll right. Send her a DM. Send her a message on Twitter. I'm sure she'll read it.
Ian MalcolmShoot your shot or wand your wand.
@malleusigYep.
Speaker 10I guess I can do that.
@malleusigShe likes trans people, so maybe comment on that.
Speaker 10Okay, okay.
Ian MalcolmHere's a weird one for you. I don't know if you saw this, Rabbi, but... So despite her being the outspoken anti-trans person on her wrist, and I looked at this in like six different ways to make sure I wasn't just sharing clickbait, but she has the same tattoo on her wrist that the Baphomet has engraved on its forearm, which I find so bizarre.
@malleusigWait, J.K. Rowling has a Baphomet tattoo?
Ian MalcolmWell, it's not the Baphomet. Let me get the exact translation.
@malleusigNo, she has a tattoo the Baphomet has also.
Ian MalcolmIt's the same insignia, so I'll put it up into the nest right now.
@malleusigSolve et coagula?
Ian MalcolmThere you go.
@malleusigWhat does that mean? It says, oh, it's an alchemical principle.
Ian MalcolmDissolve and coagulate, which is the same inscription that is on the Baphomet. Leading anti-trans advocate has something in common with the Baphomet, which is just very bizarre.
@malleusigso that's interesting so that again so he's like you could you could say that you could you could also say that it's like a chance because it's it's also a core thing with alchemy but that is interesting the arms okay the arms bear the let you're right salve coagula so so baphomets have salve written on one arm and coagula written on the other arm she has both salve and coagula written on one wrist that is interesting
@malleusigThat is very interesting.
Ian MalcolmYou can try that to get her attention. Just throw that one out there. Ask her about the tattoo. Maybe she'll get as upset as she did about my tweet.
@malleusigYeah.
Ian MalcolmMy thought, iconic.
@malleusigTry that. Yeah, try that. I actually am a big fan of JK Rowling. I'm a big fan of Harry Potter. I like her stance on the trains issue. Haven't seen much about Israel because she's been quiet on it, I guess. But apparently she's on the other side of the aisle. as I am on that one, which is disappointing.
Ian MalcolmSo I looked it up after this whole little spat. She didn't have one post mentioning the word Gaza or Palestine on her entire timeline, which I found wild.
@malleusigWow. Well, so either she doesn't care, or because she's a billionaire, she knows they'll kill her if she says anything about it, most likely.
@malleusigI think it's probably a safe bet. Probably a safe bet, yeah. That's too bad.
Speaker 6Hey, I was... I don't know. It was about three or four conversations ago, but I just had a thought and maybe I'm like way off the mark, but it was almost like, you know, in the same realm of the religion topic, it's like, it's almost like, um, Anakin was this like false prophet kind of character a little bit. Yeah. And he was kind of set up to be the guy.
Speaker 6And then he kind of, there's edits all over, you know, Instagram and X he's like the fallen angel kind of, you know, they do the side by side. And, It's almost like Luke was, you know, the real one. Right. Like he was like the actual savior. So, you know, I feel like the whole story is like religiously symbolic.
@malleusigOh, it is totally. I mean, look at, look at what they did with the character. So like they identified Anakin with Jesus by having, having being born of a virgin. Right. And then they corrupt him. Who would, who would be interested in doing that? Who would want to corrupt Jesus?
Speaker 6Yeah, and it's also hard. It's weird, too. And, like, earlier I brought up that we're almost in the same boat in, like, 2026 as, like, America. Well, not even America. It's kind of like the whole world, the goyim, right? It's, like, how Anakin felt. I feel like we're, like, almost at that stage. You know what I mean? Like, when he first was kind of figuring out, like, I want more and I don't know why.
Speaker 6It's kind of like that. Like, I feel like we're all at that stage and it's, like, I don't know. I find myself sympathizing with Anakin when I watch the movie. I'm not going to lie.
@malleusigNo, definitely, man. He had a hard life. You can see, I mean, look at it. Again, the first girl he ever, you know, got intimate with dies, right? And it's basically this chick that he's known since he was a little kid. And so it's really, the sex had to have been really weird, man. Imagine having sex with someone that knew you since you were like five years old, right?
@malleusigAnd she's like four years older. Like, he did not have a fun life. He did not have a good life. And then she gets pregnant.
Ian MalcolmAnd Natalie Portman's also Jewish.
@malleusigAnd Natalie Portman is also Jewish, correct.
Speaker 6Dude, I was so into her when I was growing up. And then, like, three years ago, I found out she was Jewish. And my whole life was a lie.
@malleusigOh, dude. That's not even the worst. You went Darth Vader.
Speaker 6That's not even the worst thing about Natalie.
@malleusigYeah. Natalie Portman, guys. Natalie Portman, like, what was her first movie? Everyone knows what her first movie was. The Professional, right? Right. And what was The Professional about? The Professional is about having sex with children, for fuck's sake.
Ian MalcolmA pedophilic hitman?
@malleusigNo, no, he's not. So The Professional, if anyone hasn't seen it, The Professional is an action movie with a pedophile's fantasy embedded inside of it. It's a movie about a hitman that goes around killing people to protect the child because he's a nice guy. But the entire time he's doing that... The child who's like 12 years old is coming on to him sexually.
@malleusigSo think about it. If you're a pedophile, your fantasy is not going out and finding unwilling children. Your fantasy that you buy into because it justifies your desires and the actions you take on based on them, your fantasy is that the kids want you, right? So this is basically ideological pornography for pedophile viewers.
@malleusigAnd it was extraordinarily important as a kid.
Ian MalcolmAnd the thing... on that one what's really interesting is there were two different versions of that film rabbi the american and i've only seen uh the professional but i know the european version leon the professional apparently it makes the innuendo much more implied whereas the american one it's pretty there's one scene where natalie portman dresses this like madonna i think it is or something and you could lightly say that maybe it touches upon it but
Ian MalcolmIt's pretty tame, but apparently the European one makes a couple more references that are a little bit uncomfortable.
@malleusigWell, the European one has a scene where she crawls into bed with him. So, you know, again, it's like we're talking about we're talking about essentially, you know, what would be, you know, if if, you know, it's a joke about when they when they they show porn, but they take all the porn out. Right. So it's like the helpful bus instead of the bang bus.
@malleusigRight. And it's like or whatever it is. Right. It's like it feels like you're watching the first the first five minutes of a porn before they get to the the the the naked parts. And for if I was a pedophile and that's what I would feel about watching this movie. It feels like the run up to child porn, essentially. And that is, if you go back and watch it, I watched it for the first time as a teenager.
@malleusigWhen you go back and watch it as an adult, it feels way more sick. It feels way more creepy and disgusting than it does when you watch it naively as a kid.
Speaker 6Hey, maybe Anakin dodges a bullet after all.
@malleusigYeah. Well, I mean, the whole thing in Star Wars with our character is just, it's not a believable love affair. She goes from, you know, oh, you know, you're like you're like this kid that I knew when you were like this, this tall. You were like five last time I saw you, too. I'm going to have a conversation with you at night dressed in what I can only describe as space lingerie in front of a roaring fire.
@malleusigRight. Like and then it's like suddenly we're in bed. Like, why? How does how did this love affair happen? It makes no sense. You know, maybe you can make the case that George Lucas doesn't actually know how to write love. Maybe that's why Marcia divorced him. He's not he wasn't what she was looking for. That's why she started.
@malleusigI think she dated like the painter or something because he was he was Latin and Latin men know how to get down. Maybe George doesn't understand affairs of the heart very well, but like he did not write the whole Anakin Natalie Portman thing in a believable way.
Speaker 6Well, painters do tend to be very loving, you know?
@malleusigYeah, yeah. That's what my wife tells me anyway.
Ian MalcolmOh, and Rabbi, one final thing. I'll put it up in the nest. We need the, as a way to recap or close down the space, the audio clip of Lucas on happiness slash joy, and I'll put that up in the nest. It'll be a really nice way to kind of send this off, I think.
@malleusigAll right, you want me to play that? Let me find it. Okay, oh no, you're going to give me the link. I'll get that.
Speaker 6Hey guys, I'm going to, I got to drop down. I got to be up at eight. Um, but W space star, what a cool topic for a, for a space. One of my favorite in a long time.
@malleusigSo I think we could actually do a sequel to this one. If we wanted to, this, this was, there was so much in this, this is four hours and we did so much. And there's even, there's like so much more we didn't do. Nah, seriously, but we can do a sequel and then we can do a prequel to this one.
Speaker 6Well, hey, I'll be here for it. But, yeah, WSpace, and I'll talk to you guys soon, okay?
@malleusigAll right, man. Thanks for coming. Talk to you later.
Ian MalcolmOh, there you go. Just put that up into the nest. Just found it. It's really a pretty spectacular commencement address that he gave.
@malleusigOkay. It's going to take a second for it to show up on my end. Give me a sec. Give me a sec. Give me a sec. Come on, X.
Ian MalcolmAnd actually, while it's loading, I'll tell you, Rabbi, to kind of set the stage, I think one thing that's worth keeping in mind is we're going to get zero instant gratification trying to intellectually and spiritually push for the cause that we believe in, right? This is a marathon.
@funkmachine__We don't get paid.
Ian MalcolmRight, we're not going to get paid. We're not going to get, like, if I have my way... Never even going to be publicly facing with any of this. I don't want pats on the back. I don't want a dollar. I don't want anything. All I want is to try to make the world better and have some fun along the way with wonderful people like those that are in this room and like yourself.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I say it because I think the words that Lucas is going to share, and it's so crazy that he's probably one of the most hyper successful non-Jewish people in all of Hollywood. And when you hear what you're about to hear from him, despite all the access that he would have to every financial thing you could imagine and every, you know, any and everything that he could buy, he could have it.
Ian MalcolmRight. And yet to hear from him, the words that you're about to hear, I feel like it's very, it's powerful for our movement because we're not going to get the shackles. We're not going to get the vanity. We're not going to get a call to go on the television networks or any of the other stuff. So we're not going to ever get the attaboys from society.
Ian MalcolmWe should never focus on the short run, you know, like let's say egocentric aspects of what we're trying to do. It always has to be about the greater communal good. And when you hear what Lucas is about to say, it really puts it all into perspective, I feel like.
@malleusigYeah, yeah. And it's not even about not getting the shekels, man. It's like we get the opposite. We get attacked. We get people trying to dox us. We get people threatening our livelihood and our families. I was told that my mother would be raped, right? It's like... We get all kinds of shit, but we keep doing it. And the reason we do it is it's not just because for the lulz, it's because we want to live in a world and we want our children to inherit a world where the truth exists and is actually accessible, where the truth is something that you are allowed to discuss openly.
@malleusigAnd you and I both feel the pinchers closing around that. And so... We have to be the people that are going to go out and hold the pinchers open long enough for the truth to survive into the next generation. That's all it's about. We have nothing but liabilities in this fight. But here's the clip. I'll play it. You guys ready?
@malleusigHere we go.
Speaker 11I've discovered along the way that happiness, you live in two worlds here. Happiness is pleasure and happiness is joy. It can be either one. You add them up and it sort of falls under the uber category of happiness. Pleasure is short-lived. It lasts an hour, lasts a minute, lasts a month. And it peaks and then goes down.
Speaker 11It peaks very high. But the next time you want to get that same peak, you have to do it twice as much. It's like drugs. You have to keep doing it because it insulates itself. No matter what it is, whether you're shopping, whether you're, you know, engaged in any other kind of pleasure that all has the same quality about it.
Speaker 11On the other hand is joy. And joy is the thing that doesn't go as high as pleasure in terms of your emotional reaction, but it stays with you. Joy is something you can recall, pleasure you can't. So the secret is that even though it's not as intense as the pleasure, the joy will last you a lot longer. And people who get the pleasure, they keep saying, well, if I can just get richer and get more cars, you'll never relive the moment you got your first car.
Speaker 11That's it. That's the highest peak. Yes, you can get three Ferraris and a new Gulfstream jet, and maybe you'll get close, but you have to keep going. And eventually you run out. I mean, you just can't do it. It doesn't work. If you're trying to sustain that level of peak pleasure, you're doomed. It's a very American idea, but it just can't happen.
Speaker 11You just let it go. Peak, great. Pleasure is fun. It's great. But you can't keep it going forever. Just accept the fact that it's here and it's gone. And maybe again it'll come back and you'll get to do it again. Joy lasts forever. Pleasure is purely self-centered. It's all about your pleasure. It's about you. It's a selfish, self-centered emotion.
Speaker 11is created by a self-centered motive of greed. Joy is compassion. Joy is giving yourself to somebody else or something else. And it's a kind of thing that is, in its subtlety and lowness, much more powerful than pleasure.
@malleusigI like it. Yeah.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and he finishes that one off, and it's so funny because that was... I shared that back before I had the blue check mark that somebody gifted me along this little journey. But, you know, he finishes it off. He says, if you seek joy, you will find eternal happiness, which I just think is so beautiful. And it's such a maybe appropriate way of words to use to kind of close down this entire conversation on this world, right?
Ian MalcolmThis galaxy that this man created. ideated, which we can pick apart in a million different ways and say it'd be, you know, ideal if he had done certain things different. And the CGI in the 90s, certainly not what it would have been if done today. But when you contrast, especially after hearing those words from that individual, you contrast it to a lot of the pleasure that is modern entertainment, where it's always about just the dopamine, the adrenaline, and the...
Ian Malcolmthe present, right? It's about the me and the I and the mine. And so I just think it's a really, he's a very curious individual in that regard who in many ways created not only this galaxy of fiction, but he also maybe created a, like we talked about throughout the space, a set of morals and ethos. And, you know, that's why from time to time I'll end spaces with basically may the force be with you because it doesn't matter your religious compass.
Ian MalcolmIf you came in with nothing, the one that I feel like Lucas gave in the original films could essentially serve as basically that. And it might be rather rudimentary, but if you look at and compare it to Christianity, you know, even Jesus kind of took the Ten Commandments and whittled it down to the two great ones of, you know, put God above everything and love your neighbor as yourself.
Ian MalcolmAnd it kind of goes in line with a lot of the things that Yoda and Luke and everybody else would have shared. So... curious through some of your kind of parting words or remarks here, Rabbi, but, but I've loved the space.
@malleusigYeah, I, this is, this has been a fantastic, I mean, I don't really do for our spaces much anymore, but this one was every minute was worth it. This is absolutely fantastic. Um, yeah, my thing, my thing on religion is essentially, it's all about the self and the other. And for me, the real enlightenment comes when you realize that those are the same thing.
@malleusigAnd you realize that bringing happiness to the other yields much more potential for uh for a satisfied living you know what i mean so there's only one of you and you can spend all your time making you happy and you can even take from others to make you happier right but eventually like lucas said it becomes a it becomes uh you know you you can no longer there's no longer enough food in the world to feed that desire or you can
@malleusigstart to make others happy you can see them at more and more as extensions or parts of yourself and you can recognize that in making them happier you're making yourself happier and it really does work you really do make yourself happy you do feel you're able to partake in greater and greater amounts of the joy that he described by going out and helping other people right and it's actually way more efficient than trying to force them to give you stuff
@malleusigSo I agree with him. I think he made a fantastic point. As much as I like the shit on George Lucas about his movies, I think that in terms of what he just said, I think he was spot on.
Ian MalcolmYeah, he really was. And that just brings us all full circle. And so with that all being said, and I think we will have to make this as a follow-up, right? Perhaps we'll even have to do a trilogy on this concept. And maybe what we'll do is instead of breaking down Star Wars.
@malleusigWe didn't even do Harry Potter yet, man.
Ian MalcolmThat's what I was going to say. We might have to break down Harry Potter. And we're going to have to get the Lord of the Rings, especially with now we've got Palantir and Andril and Mithril and Erebor and all of the other technocrats that are just launching Lord of the Ring after Lord of the Ring named company, all of which are in line with the technocratic insanity of the world.
@malleusigHow great, Ian, would it be if... Because JK Rowling replied to you today and Ali London retweeted her replying to you that you catch on and you get a huge boost in like, you know, Twitter followers. And we make a Harry Potter space and we get JK Rowling in there to defend her position on Harry Potter.
Ian MalcolmWe'll... What would it be? We would call it raleiosis expulsiosis, and I just sent her out of the room.
@malleusigI'm a big fan of fetus deletus.
Ian MalcolmOh, God.
@malleusigIt's the Hogwarts abortion spell.
Ian MalcolmWell, ironically, with Emma Watson's policies, I'm sure she's a big proponent of fighting for that magic spell and its legality. But in all seriousness, we'll have to do a trilogy. We've got the galaxy far, far away. Now we'll have to do Middle Earth as the follow-up and then can ultimately find ourselves in Hogwarts for part three.
Ian MalcolmAnd so we'll have to do those. I want to thank everybody that joined along the way. I love co-hosting. faces with Mr. Malleus. It's always such a pleasure. He's one of the most... And I'll tell you, my friend, you are one of the most dynamic is maybe the term that I would use. Wow, thank you. I think of Truth Teller as the sledgehammer of truth around the JQ.
Ian MalcolmI love David, and I think of him as wisdom. And if I had to put a word with you, I would think dynamic, because we could talk about anything and everything in the wildest pieces, It could be the background and mythos of Star Wars to, let's say, genetics around intelligence to crime and racial breakdown. We could go through all these lists and almost all of them would be incredibly inflammatory towards certain sets of people.
Ian MalcolmBut I always have so much fun doing them. It's called Autism as a Superpower. Well, then maybe we'll get to the Marvel Universe at some point. And that could be your Captain Planet superpower. Here comes Captain Autismo.
@malleusigActivate autism!
@malleusigBut no, you have no idea. You are my favorite person to do this with. You have no idea how much I enjoy these spaces. Not the least reason is that you are... one of the only people on this topic that can command a space, can run a space, right? Has something interesting to say and doesn't get carried away into like the wing nets and the fed posting and the calls to violence.
@malleusigAnd it's like, we're going to make this, we're going to, we're going to become, you know, worse people because of this. No, you stay right where you should, right in the line of like, this is actually about compassion. This is not about hating people. This is about doing what's best for the entire human race, which also is what's best for this other group of people, because whether they know it or not, if things go south for the rest of us, it will impact them, and we don't want to see them get hurt.
@malleusigBecause that's where I am too. I don't want to see anyone get hurt. I see the discussions we have on that particular topic as we're protecting them from themselves. And keeping them honest. And they need that. We're like the safety razor. They're not ready for the straight razor. So we're like the safety razor for them.
@malleusigAnd we keep them from hurting themselves. I hope. Anyway.
Ian MalcolmI just find it so strange. Because I would dare any of my critics. To come into the room. And to just listen to the conversations. Because nothing is ever remotely hateful. And if by contrast. they were to go to any of the spaces where they might be, let's say, more welcomed. And when I say they, I mean my critics. And it doesn't matter the topic, whether it's the JQ or maybe when I talk about race realism.
Ian MalcolmIf I walk into an FBA space, I am immediately met with hostility, the likes of which I've never expressed towards anyone on this entire application. But they will call me every name under the sun. It's the exact same thing with... the individuals around the JQ and all this stuff. And so we, and Rabbi, and that's, you always do it with such grace and style because you always keep your poise.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think it's in the same vein and alignment, right? That it's just put out positivity and you bet far better than I, you can keep your tempo. when some of the insanity comes into these spaces. And I feel like you can diffuse and kind of like lower the shoulders of some of the people that would otherwise jump down our throats.
@malleusigIt's called, I don't know how to put this, but I learned very early that there are ways to push back on arguments. There are ways to push back on arguments that are obvious and there are ways to push back that are non-obvious. And the non-obvious ones are more fun because occasionally you hit the jackpot and you'll find someone who doesn't understand that you're pushing back on their point.
@malleusigAnd that makes everyone laugh. And that's the real thing. You want to push back on a point in a way that the other person doesn't realize what you're saying, but the audience does. And that, for me, is the real goal. Well, I mean, also world peace, but yeah.
Ian MalcolmYeah, it reminds me of a certain per capita conversation that we had not too long ago.
@malleusigOh, my God.
Ian MalcolmBut it was all in good fun. I know. The craziest part is Elijah Schaefer and a couple others shared that little video clip. And the thing is, the reason they shared it is because there was nothing hateful or abrasive about what we were saying. We were just we made fun in light of the situation and in the process, maybe expose some of the ideologies that we have and the accuracy of them.
Ian MalcolmBut that's a different topic.
@malleusigI don't have any political or ethical views that are any more extreme than anything you would have seen in living color in the mid-90s. Like, literally. It's just that the rest of the world has shifted so far to the left that suddenly we're alt-right.
Ian MalcolmIt's funny that you mentioned that. In Living Color, the Waynes brothers, kudos to them, some very, very funny individuals. And if I'm not mistaken, also the birthplace of a lot of Jim Carrey's humor was in Living Color, right?
@malleusigYeah, Jim Carrey really hit the jackpot with that one. Being the only white guy in an all-black... I mean, we can have a whole discussion on that, too. It's like, isn't it amazing that they had an all-black comedy show and the one white guy was the one that got picked up and became a mainstream star? We can have a discussion about that, but not right now.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. Talk about an individual that would be super interesting to be able to sit down and pick their brain for an hour or two. And I say that just not only because of the... superstardom that he's experienced but also i know jim carrey went off the deep end it feels like and i don't know if it was in a good or a bad way but he had some legal troubles i think his girlfriend uh perhaps passed away from i think a drug overdose if i'm not mistaken but uh but certainly one of the funniest people uh of all time in in the hollywood scene at least in my my point of view um yeah but no we will continue doing these spaces real quick before we close everything down just because he came up here
Ian MalcolmAnd Coyote, I feel like this is perfectly up your alley because we were in here earlier with Dr. Michael Rechtenwald, who was talking about the importance of trying to educate individuals on how to debate with essentially not just Jewish supremacy, but the debate tactic that often is employed by individuals who happen to be Jewish.
Ian MalcolmAnd I thought of yourself because I know it's something that you've dealt with. quite a lot unseen firsthand. And so if we do have a space on trying to educate, excuse me, educate people for that, I think it'd be a good one for you to be part of.
Speaker 15Oh, yeah. I mean, it happened today and there's different kind of ways to it. The thing about it is it's like, you know, as a Christian, it took me a while to kind of try to find it because it's like, okay, we hear, you know, live by the sword, die by the sword, Jesus with the tables. But, you know, naturally people, You get very upset sometimes on these things.
Speaker 15And, you know, at this time, at this at this level, it's like you become numb, which is scary sometimes. So you have to keep grounded. And that's why I really enjoy talking to you guys about these things. But, you know, when somebody tells me that they first whenever asked if they're a Christian, they do this word salad and pretty much put it into a question form where most people would let it go.
Speaker 15But, you know, some people are like, hey, yes or no. And I'm very impressed with Santino today because he was the guy that did that. So he paused a little more. Very odd. I posted it. And I just posted the other one where he started going into the anti-Semitic tropes that we were displaying. I thought it was a Christian.
Speaker 15So how does one deal with that? Well, at a certain point in this situation, it's like being familiar with the Hasbro, which I would love to be able to... do without getting rat-packed by the the gangs of of people out there that just well i mean it's vicious uh you know and uh i have to get you guys to probably spread it out there but but i i really would be interested in doing something on that because uh you know it's like that video i posted this morning it's necessary this is very evil um stuff that it's doing it is subverting some good people right now what we're kind of witnessing is you got this q anon aspect of people they they're good patriots but they they
Speaker 15They go over here because they don't want to deal with the reality that this is not going so great and you need to face the facts. So they're getting subverted by that whole thing. But you don't have to sit there and take anything. Somebody calls you anti-Semite, I mean, hey, beat them to the draw sometimes. Call them an anti-Christian.
Speaker 15I don't know. Start standing up for yourself.
@malleusigYou call them anti-Semite back. You call them a Nazi because it confuses them. They don't respond to actual logic. They can only be affected by... you throwing back the same nonsense back at them that they throw at you. That's, I've, again, I've gone through the same, like we have, there's an entire hero arc, bringing me back to the topic of the space, there's an entire hero arc that I went through, Nick Fuentes went through, I think Ian went through it, everyone that I've talked to on this has been through the same hero's journey on these people.
@malleusigAnd it starts out where you are a complete normie, you go through life, don't have to touch on the subject at all and then at some point you piss off a jew okay either you have an opinion on israel that they don't like or you don't understand something and you ask a a question uh usually completely innocently but they take it as you know completely the wrong way
@malleusigAnd what happens is they start calling you names. They call you a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a bigot. And then a week later, you found out they've gone and told all their Jewish friends behind your back, including your employer. And now everyone hates you because the Jewish people all get everyone that is still in the matrix to believe them that you're a Nazi, anti-Semite, bigot.
@malleusigAnd then you start getting kicked out of spaces, right? And then you're like, well, fuck these people. I'm going to talk more about it. And then you talk more and then it becomes a bigger thing, right? And now you're even more of a Nazi to them. And they start telling more people you're a Nazi. And you're like, no, I'm not a Nazi.
@malleusigI'm just like, you know, trying to tell the truth here. And then they get you kicked off of social media. And then you're like, you know what? Fuck these people. And then you start making t-shirts and you start making, you know, YouTube streams and you go on, you have your own TV show like Nick, right? That's essentially what happens with everybody.
@malleusigAnd this is just, it's a matter of talking about it enough that people wake up, or getting people enough exposure to Jews on the topic that they go through the journey themselves. Maybe we can call it the initiation. How about that? We need to initiate more people by getting them into that subject, into that topic.
Speaker 15I got a suggestion on that. It's a lot... You know, whenever I started looking at this, I remember peeping off into Ian's space like, oh, I don't want to show my face. You know, just imagine where I was a year ago. Ian knows, you know. Yeah, well, it was just like, oh, you don't want to go in there. That's the bet. But it's like, is it really?
Speaker 15I can go to any space that's on this platform right now because people know who I am. Yeah, it's like, you know, and they know what I stand for or whatever. It's like the guy actually brought that up. Look at his content and stuff. I was like, bro, they know. These people know who I am. Like, there's no secret. And that's the thing about it.
Speaker 15But some people, they're going to become, you've got to have your Ian, you've got to have your truth-tellers. There's a different wheel for everybody.
@malleusigYep. Everyone responds to a different, I mean, there are different levels of people. People respond to different means of persuasion. For some people, they're already there, and they're the ones that are going to respond to the more wing-nighty stuff. But for regular people, they they don't like that they don't they don't enjoy it it doesn't work on them and it doesn't work on me either it never worked on me if it worked on me i would have made the conversion much earlier in my life and i'd be in a different space i wouldn't like i wouldn't want to be that person anyway but most people compassionate uh mostly liberal you know what i mean some people are more conservative but conserve even conservatism now is is the liberalism of like the 1990s essentially so it's like
@malleusigpeople are just very soft. We're very empathetic. And so you're not going to win them over with talks about, you know, bringing the concentration camps back and putting them all in cattle cars. I'm sorry. It's just not, the Americans are not like that. We don't enjoy that stuff. And.
Speaker 15I had a question for y'all, if I may. So Santino Space was very good. And if y'all get to go, you know, take a listen to it, because, the people that kept coming up on, uh, I think his name is Amaru or whatever. Cause, uh, you know, I, I talked about the ideology, but I talked about several things that, uh, you know, whatever, but it was like, they kept coming in these conservatives that I've known forever and bringing up the Jewish.
Speaker 15It's like, you know, I even said, I was like, why do y'all keep doing this? And it's like, is there a reasoning on that? Like right now specifically to where they're pressing the issue?
@malleusigIt's just become obvious. So like, It's always been Jewish influence at the highest levels of society, right? Whether it be the corporate world, politics, you know, whatever. It's always been there. But it wasn't a problem, right? As long as they were making good movies, nobody really minded, right? Like in the 80s, it wasn't like Hollywood was less Jewish-controlled in the 80s than it is now, but in the 80s, at least they made decent films, okay?
@malleusigBut when they stopped making good movies... Then people are like, wait, Holland said, why does everything suddenly suck now? And they're like, why is it all propaganda? Why are we being, why are we being conditioned to become communists? Why are kids being taught to be trans? Why are we, why are we removing every redhead from Disney movies and replacing brother black girl, right?
@malleusigWhy? And it's like, and then that's when people start looking at who's in charge of all this stuff. It's if the problems didn't surface, it wouldn't be a thing even right now. And then you have Gaza. Right. It's like, well, people in Gaza are dying. The estimate is that 680,000 civilians have died in Gaza, most of them women and children.
@malleusigAnd it's like, well, who's killing them? Oh, it's this country that's the only Jewish country in the world. And like 95 percent of people in it are Jews and the entire military is Jews. So it's wow. You could almost say that it's Jews killing innocent civilians. And even just saying that is is is too much for people to.
@malleusigto be able to put into their mouths, right? And it's just, it gets put in front of you for so much. And you're like, well, now we have to talk about it. Now it's an issue and we have to talk about why it's an issue, who is making the issue. And the only way you can have that discussion without outright lying to yourself and everyone else is like, well, now we have to talk about Jews.
@malleusigI'm sorry.
@malleusigThat's where we are. And frankly, I would rather do that in a calm, reasoned way. Right. Then leave it up to people that are going to try and energize people to go get violent. I would rather be the one having that conversation in a calm, reasoned way where Jewish people are free to participate. They can come and they can talk.
@malleusigBut we're not going to get wacko. We're not going to get like radicalized. We're not going to get extremist. We're just going to discuss it. And ironically, both of the sides that are into my right and left, on the far ends of the spectrum, hate that. They don't want it. The wingnats don't want it because they want to have another internment adventure.
@malleusigAnd the Jews don't want it because they want all of us to be wingnats. They want all of us to be extremists because extremists are very easy to paint as the villains and then get everyone to hate them. we're not like that we're actually just nice people who want the best for everyone including the jews so it's like our it's like the moderates are the greatest threat to them because moderates are much more difficult to cast quickly as these frothing at the mouth kind of violent villains that we all need to do something about and unfortunately that's just who we are
Speaker 15And I appreciate y'all for that because there's some people on here and y'all have always kind of honed it down a little bit, but it's like, bro, don't say that. We don't want to be hateful. No, no.
@malleusigI'll hate people that are killing children, but I'm not going to hate them because they're Jews. I'll hate them because they're killing children. And you're allowed that. I mean, that should be obvious.
Ian MalcolmWell, when we find ourselves in a world... Oh, Mr. Funk Machine, you want to add some commentary before we close up?
@malleusigPeople don't want the space to end, Ian. They're like, no, keep it going.
@yitzhak32941934I know. I actually popped in just to prolong your space just a little bit more. But I did want to say, may the force be with you, boys. You two are one of the best, one of my favorite entertaining people who also preach the truth. you know, and it's really important. Rationally, you preach the truth. Oh, my daughter just walked out.
@yitzhak32941934She gave me, I had five minutes. All right. So, look, I actually, when I requested earlier, Ian, it was to actually interrupt that fella that was the force fella. I just wanted to explain to people a little bit of space etiquette, you know. Like, don't try to jump the topic around here, there and everywhere, okay? Stick to topic when it comes to its base.
@yitzhak32941934You know, and in saying that, Anne, do you mind if I change the topic for one second? I'll only be 30 seconds. All right? Oh, good. Okay, on the 26th of January, Australia celebrates Australia Day. Now... During Australia Day, there is an organisation called March for Australia. They have organised a protest against mass immigration.
@yitzhak32941934Now, we all know that mass immigration is everybody's issue at the moment in the Western world, and I just want to let everyone know that I'll be attending, and I will be attending flying the biggest Australian flag that I can find, okay? Now, it is Australian flags only, no foreign flags. That is it. If you find anybody online asking for donations for March for Australia, they are false.
@yitzhak32941934It is not real, okay? Don't donate, okay? This is reliant upon the people just turning up. That's it. Okay. Thanks, Ian. Thanks, Rabbi Coyote, California.
Speaker 13Thank you.
@yitzhak32941934That's it. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you very much. And if I really did...
Ian MalcolmI was just going to say, if the day of you want to do kind of a play-by-play or a space or a recap or anything along those lines, if there's anything we can do... No, I won't be doing that, dude.
@yitzhak32941934Yeah, I appreciate the offer, but that's something that I will not be doing. Just so you know.
Speaker 15Got you. Friends are all over there, man.
@malleusigAustralia really needs to suss out its immigration problem. The last time they had an immigration problem, it didn't work out for the people that were there then. So you really need to clamp down on it now.
Speaker 15You know, I was going to say, this guy had a mic today. Something about that microphone, it was like that Ben Shapiro, very, you know, it was very, you could feel it. That's scary shit, man, right there.
@malleusigYou mean the Forrest guy?
Speaker 15Yeah, no, the guy that... Here, I got...
Speaker 16So, final thoughts is I think I already cleared my position statements, right? If you look at my highlights, you look at... Like a different, you know, like a... Here's what I call the anti-Semitic...
Speaker 17I'm very interested in debating... So all I ask is look at what I put in the purple pill or anything I've even spoken today. I mean, DM me, put it, you know, let's discuss it. Things like when I, when I see like a tactical entry ism where, you know, antisemitic tropes are like embedded.
Speaker 15Oh my God. I'm so sick of this shit. It's like, nobody, nobody cares about that right there. Terrible. Hasbro 101. Yeah. Yeah.
@malleusigYeah. Ian, you brought up Paul. Do you want to go to him? And then before you close it up, I want to make sure I'm mindful of your time because it sounds like you want to get to bed or something.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, we can go to Paul. I know he's up here before and didn't get a chance to speak, so.
Speaker 18Okay. All right. If you're winding down Ian, it's all good man, I just came in earlier and you guys were having some great conversations They went on for a little bit and they got on different subjects but when I saw the title of the room and it said Star Wars the religion of the politics and I've actually talked about this a great length about the similarities between Christianity and the force and the messaging and Star Wars I'll have to make the next space sometime because there's so much to analyze there.
Speaker 18They're really it's really quite interesting the parallels and particularly I would argue in the prequels but even the stuff that you learn directly from Yoda and the Empire Strikes Back and all that stuff that you guys were talking about I really wanted to get into it but since you're kind of at the end of your space then I'll have to make the next one but please do a continuation of we can re-examine it because I'm telling you it's a fun subject and we talk about so much heavy stuff on the internet that I think it's good sometimes to use these means actually Paul the Apostle used to do this where he would quote certain things that
Speaker 18were written at the time uh because people were able to relate to them so sometimes when we use these fictions and these stories and these common things that we all know together uh we can use that to find the essence the divine essence of god uh in the messaging so uh anyway i was intrigued by the subject man and i hope to catch the next one but out of respect to the fact that it's the end of the space i guess i'm gonna have to check out but uh until the next one
Ian MalcolmUntil the next one, my friend. There will be more. We were joking. We'll do a trilogy of these with Star Wars, and we'll do Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. So we'll treat those separately because there's just too much, and perhaps we'll come back for the return of the Jedi to do a fourth little addendum. Hopefully it'll be better than the more recent Star Wars constructions.
Ian MalcolmBut Rabbi, any final words before we close up?
@malleusigNo, I'm good. I'm good. I've said everything I need to say, and we are good to go.
Ian MalcolmWell, lots of love then to everybody that listened. Mr. Malleus, as always, my friend, it's an absolute pleasure. We'll definitely do another one of these, and Paul, perhaps we'll have to come back to Star Wars, because there is so much that we unpacked here, from the humble beginnings of Luke Skywalker going through the entirety of the hero's journey, as Joseph Campbell once described, getting all the way...
Ian Malcolmto the prequels and the politics and seemingly the rise of totalitarianism that was given a thunderous applause, which kind of mirrors the world that we find ourselves in, which somewhere between those two points also included Watto the merchant with his big nose, his little hat, who was a gambler and a slaver, which is kind of strange.
Ian MalcolmSo lots of similarities there perhaps between a group of people that we often talk about. But I'm sure those are just other coincidences. And we rounded out the whole thing with George Lucas talking about the difference in happiness between joy and pleasure. And he ended that statement saying, if you focus on the joy, which is selfless, it's for your community, it's to make the world a better place.
Ian Malcolmthat you will find eternal happiness. And so with that in mind, I want to thank all of you that were part of this journey. I want to thank everybody that is part of these spaces, these conversations. I want to thank certainly Mr. Malleus. I want to thank Joanne, who was in here for a long time. I want to thank Mr. Truth Teller.
Ian Malcolmwho is presently running another space. So the moment we close this down, please feel free, hop on in there, support the wonderful work that he is doing. So he's far more intellectually focused than some of the pop culture that I tend to focus on. And as a result, you're going to take way more in terms of understanding the JQ and the system of oppression that we all live under.
Ian MalcolmBut it is, as that previous speaker was mentioning, I think it was Funk, who said there's lots of heavy topics. And so it's really nice every now and then to take a deep breath, try to unpack something that's perhaps a little bit lighter. And what do you know? It ends up winding itself back into the same usual suspects.
Ian MalcolmSo we got to talk a little bit about those aspects as well. But I just want to thank everybody for not just this conversation, but all the conversations that you may have been part of. Thank you for being part of this journey. We are all in this resistance together against this empire. And it is consuming everything. And it wants all of us to basically be as dull as boring and as watered down as the storm troopers who miss every shot that they take.
Ian MalcolmAnd they also have no identity. They're just uniform. That is what the empire wants for all of us. That is the clergy plan. It is the storm troopers. At the end of the day, you're basically reduced down to something that has no identity, no individuality. You are just a cog in a machine that is incompetent at everything that you do.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's what the Star Troopers are. So instead, we are the resistance. We are filled with all sorts of unique, special gifts and talents with an emphasis on that which is good, with a higher power that is perhaps in line with either a creator or perhaps just the ether that is the force. But either way, it binds us together.
Ian Malcolmjust like the rocks and the trees and all of the other pieces that Yoda talked about. It lives in all of us. And when we can all come together and recognize this empire, we will be able to be that little torpedo that I think just shooting like womp rats and beggars Canyon big says to Luke Skywalker, it's a one in a million shot, but we are going to take it.
Ian MalcolmWe are going to make it. And with no kinetic violence or hatred, We are going to ultimately put an end to the Death Star that is this totalitarian, technocratic nonsense that almost universally aligns to Jewish supremacy and Zionism. And that alignment is not because we hate any people, but it's just because it's true.
Ian MalcolmAnd if we look at the top of all of the technology and all the media and all these other things, it goes back almost uniformly to that group of people. You know what didn't? Was Star Wars. It went back to Lucas. He made something beautiful, something special, something that I think was tapping into something perhaps eternal with a big little head nod to John Williams, who did an unbelievable score, right?
Ian MalcolmAll of those things that went into that product that went into that project that is somehow probably tied more to your life than perhaps a film should be. At least if you're like me, that's the case. But either way, there's something that's immortal about that storyline, and it's because it was fundamentally good and evil, and we can all aspire to just be the best rendition of the good, of the light side that we can be.
Ian MalcolmSo let's all stick together. Let's all continue calling out the insanity so that perhaps all of the things that we love, maybe Star Wars included, won't be monopolized by psychopaths like Bob Iger and the rest of the folks over at Disney, largely Jewish, who, oh, by the way, speaking of, Let's not forget the fact that when James O'Keefe did that undercover report where he interviewed somebody from the HR division of Disney, they basically said white men need not apply.
Ian MalcolmAnd you know who he then said basically makes up all the executive board positions was Jews. That was the undercover report done by James O'Keefe. And that's floating around. I'll put it into the purple pill to make sure I substantiate that comment. But the point is that the thing that perhaps you might love, like Star Wars, has been monopolized by that same power structure that not only ruined it,
Ian MalcolmI think they intentionally, like Rabbi said earlier, I think they intentionally sabotage the thing that they knew you loved. They sought to demoralize you by destroying your heroes in front of your eyes. That is what they are doing socially. That's what they're doing through technology. That's what they're doing with your past, with your history, with your heritage.
Ian MalcolmSo they're tearing all your statues down while they're making you watch Luke Skywalker be a lonely, depressed hobo on an island. They want everything that you love to basically be demoralized and destroyed so that they can then watch you feel worse about yourself. And they're going to make money in the process. Oh, by the way, that's what we're up against.
Ian MalcolmSo let's try to make the world a better place by banding together. Let's be those rebels. Let's all hold up our hands uniformly, not for violence. Just like Yoda said, never for aggression, never for offense. We're merely defending that which we love against that which seemingly hates us. So fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate.
Ian MalcolmAll leads to the dark side. We don't need any of those emotions. We just need peace, love, righteousness, and a compass that sends us in the right direction. So with that all said.
@malleusigIf we have to, we will defend the shit out of ourselves, though. So, you know, don't get cocky.
Ian MalcolmOh, don't get cocky, kid. That's exactly right. So look, we're not going to get cocky. We're going to buckle in. We're going to go into hyperspace. We're absolutely going to win. And light speed is in our perspective, right? So just keep the ship aimed in the right direction. Like I said, head over to Mr. Truthteller's space.
Ian MalcolmHe's going to absolutely crush it as he always does. I will certainly be popping in there. I just want to thank everybody once again. And as I always try to round these things out, wherever you are in the world, and I really mean this because there's people in here like Funk who's on perhaps the other side of the planet for many of the listeners in here.
Ian MalcolmWhether you're in Europe, you're in Asia, you're in the U.S., right? I just want to say good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are. God bless for everything that you are. Godspeed on everything that we are doing. And as always, may the force be with you. So thank you so, so much for being part of this.
Ian MalcolmAnd I look forward to you guys in the next space.