Return to the Land

2:11Ian MalcolmWell, alright, everybody, great to, great to have everyone here, and certainly excited for the, for the conversation. And what I will do, I'm actually going to send a, co-invite, to Mr. Raba, get him up here while we wait for, Eric. And I say that reason- Being, I'm gonna turn things, over to Eric the moment he gets in here, but for the time being, I'm certainly glad to have everybody up here. It looks like we got Mr. Malias, and so the moment that we get Eric in, we'll be able to kick off the conversation, and, I'm gonna have to step away for just a couple minutes, maybe a minute or two, but then we'll be back. We'll be excited to officially launch the conversation here to learn about the Return to the Land program, all the wonderful↗

3:00Ian MalcolmThe, let's say, the impact that that program has been having on the zeitgeist, as well as the reaction to the media, as a result of it. And so gonna have a, a wonderful guest up here who has been working tirelessly on this project, on this program. Very excited to learn about not only how this logistically came to be, but also how they've gone about either managing, accepting, and/or replying to individuals expressing interest, how they go through that vetting process about those individuals who- Who are encouraged or excited to be part of that project, and then also to learn a little bit about what it's like to be, to be out there, right, firsthand from the individual that's been leading this entire movement, and very curious for, if any, kind of the, the religious or moral compass that might sit behind it, right? Is this purely about culture, is it about theology? Is there a religious aspect and entanglement to it? And so very curious to have him up here, very excited. I know that Eric's gonna be joining us momentarily, also gonna Actually here now, FYI. Oh, perfect, perfect, perfect, and we've also got, other Eric, so we're gonna have both of you, two, the, the E two. E equals MC, I suppose, in this case, 'cause you guys are gonna be the master of the ceremonies. a-but with that being said, maybe what we could do is to just kick this off with a little bit of an introduction from yourself, how this has all come about. would love to learn a little bit about, not necessarily↗

4:25Ian Malcolmthe, familiar with what you guys have been doing, would love to get that firsthand from you and, and also to thank Mr. Cohen, Miss Rabbi for being up here and to help the, the ship here. So with that, I'll kind of turn things over to you, Eric, if you wouldn't mind giving a little bit of background, on yourself and how this all came to be.↗

4:46Speaker 1Sure thing. Yeah, glad to be with you. So I've been promoting intentional communities for European people for, I guess, more than ten years online. I went through a phase where I'd basically given up on it because the reception was so poor. I mean, other people have talked about it and even done it on some scale, famously and infamously, of course, in American history, it's not always ended well. So it's understandable that people are skeptical about this approach, but when I understood that- Demographic trajectory, the way things were headed, it quickly became apparent that voting our way out of this is just not in the cards. It would require revolutionary action or something like a parallel society approach. And having been in the military and being familiar with military technology and logistics, I don't wanna fight the US military, so revolution has basically never been an option in my eyes, not a realistic one. so this is what I saw that- I could do, I could promote, but as I said, for years the reception was very poor and it was discouraging. I eventually kind of moderated my expectations and sought to create a school instead for teaching classical Western philosophy. I still do that, I teach Plato and Aristotle on my Thinkific courses,↗

6:09Speaker 1but, When I actually acquired land in Southern Missouri and was starting to build infrastructure for that school, a group of people came together. I made a video talking about the school, talking about a kind of media house project for the right. There are several independent content creators who do, do very well, but we don't have some kind of institution where young men can come in, learn the media game, be trained, and then output. A high volume of relevant content, so I had that in mind and a few other things, and, so the guys who would form Return to the Land with me,↗

6:51Speaker 1reached out at that time, they came down to help with that infrastructure in Missouri. We worked for about a week together and got along really well, and the idea was basically floated of buying a larger piece of land and doing something on a different scale. And a key component of that was our secretary, Peter Siri. Who has a decade of experience himself with intentional communities. He was in Ecuador, in South America, in a fruitarian community. So the whole, reason for their existence was that they believed in only eating fruit. Peter eventually changed his mind about that diet, but, in the meantime, down there, he learned all these contracting skills, he did a lot of legal research to keep the community running. So, it- The scale that we're operating on now and how well organized we've been able to become is primarily due to Peter Siri, and he doesn't get enough credit, and I get too much credit. I just kind of put the call out there, and people with skills and resources came together.↗

7:58Speaker 1so yeah, as far as our particular framework, what Peter really brought to the table was the utility of private membership associations in conjunction with corporate-mediated land ownership. We had to negotiate the letter of the law of the Fair Housing Act and Civil Rights Act, and in both of those acts, there are actually specific exemptions made for private associations. So it's within the government's ambit to regulate public commerce and make sure that citizens have access to public accommodations and services,↗

8:36Speaker 1but they didn't want to trespass on our individual right to freely associate And so they specifically kind of set aside this private space, private associations, where we can discriminate, we can associate how we choose. and there are many private associations that are ethnically based. There are also fraternal benefits societies, we're actually thinking about switching over to a, an FBS rather than a PMA, but it's a pretty broadly defined quasi legal entity, that really makes all of this legal and- Possible. And then corporate ownership of the land, it, a lot, a lot of people do it for hunting lands and co-ops, and what it really allows for is legally enforceable property right claims and also setting community standards without just dealing in, deeds to land outright. 'Cause once you do that, you sell someone land, you can't have a restrictive covenant that says, "Okay, the next time this land gets sold..." That has to get sold to this type of person rather than that. That is specifically what the FHA prohibits. So instead of transacting in deeds to land, where those sorts of contingencies are illegal, we transact in shares of our corporation that owns the land here, and each share is tied to a piece of the company property that is the land. So indirectly, you know, I have my six acres here that I can develop as I will. I live here, well, I'm about to live here The whole time, and, it functions like private property. It is private property, it's just not outright land, land ownership. So, that's sort of the bare bones of the legal framework. We've found that it does scale. other communities are cropping up around the country. We have people in Tennessee, people in Idaho,↗

10:34Speaker 1and some of these projects are really moving ahead. We are a national association, so it's not just this one community in Arkansas And now technically we're international 'cause we have European members as well and Canadian members, so our whole purpose for existing is to facilitate other people negotiating this complex legal and sort of bureaucratic process.↗

10:59Speaker 1obviously we would prefer that we didn't have to do any of this, right? We should just have the right to freely associate, create our own communities, we should have the right to our own homelands, frankly, but- That's not the boat we're actually in. So to negotiate the legal situation as we've inherited it, requires a lot of due diligence and also new research that just doesn't exist. Part of what we're doing probably will end up setting case law. So we have been sued now, not for discrimination, but they were going after individual and individual member on a civil matter and then tried to,↗

11:38Speaker 1implicate our corporation Which doesn't make a lot of sense, and they're probably gonna fail, but we are built, with that in mind, that we will be sued, that we will have to defend ourselves, and we're kind of treading a line between the public and private that people have been afraid to, to touch really. in our eyes, we are simply exercising our rights up to what the law actually affords. Like I said, the FHA, Civil Rights Act, specifically set aside freedoms for private associations. To discriminate in exactly the way we're doing it. However, in the past, you know, after the nineteen sixties, when a lot of public clubs that did discriminate couldn't no longer do so, they tried to reclassify as private associations, sort of like what we've done, but for one reason or another, over those decades, the seventies and eighties, the clubs, companies, entities that tried to reclassify were very often shot down They would say, "Oh, you're not a bona fide private association because you accept too many people, or your criteria aren't strict enough, or this or that." So what we've done is to look at all of that case law over the last decade since the FHA and Civil Rights Act to make sure that our claim to be a private association is completely secure. but the more that we do this, the longer we exist, the more we ensure that other people trying a similar thing aren't going To be sued themselves, or if they are, you know, ultimately courts will decide in our favor. If we don't exercise our rights, we are going to lose them, and you have to fight that battle on the natural battlefield. And instead of, you know, hoping for way too much that's unrealistic, like taking the whole country back tomorrow and deporting a hundred million people, or doing nothing and just remaining in our private lives without trying to gain ground, this is the only meaningful battle Battlefield that I can see, and that's why I've kind of dedicated myself to it, why so many people now have dedicated their resources, time, and we've grown very quickly. We're now over a thousand members, and, it's not really slowing down.↗

13:58Speaker 1But I guess I could keep going if, if Ian's still awake. so yeah. If anyone has any comments or-↗

14:07Speaker 2I think it's, is that the first- Is that the first? Is there just that one lawsuit? I mean, I saw they were trying to do kind of a media campaign, you know, TMZ, certain, certain, you know, news, quote unquote, channels trying to really point out, you know, look at this evil thing that these people are doing. did, did that quiet down finally? And, and are there any other lawsuits you're, you're, you're dealing with other than the one?↗

14:34Speaker 1So we have been told that we're under investigation, by the Civil Rights Division in the Arkansas Fair Housing Commission, but nothing really has come of that. They haven't even requested documents. We have had, requests for documents from other agencies. Those investigations are ongoing. And, right now we only have one lawsuit, and as I said, it was targeted at one of our members for a civil matter. We're unrelated to anything we're doing, and they, I think they're actually being advised by one of the original posters from r slash Jewish on Reddit.↗

15:16Speaker 1you know, we haven't hired a PI or anything, but a lot of us spend a lot of time online, and so we can have a pretty good idea of who's actually stirring up this trouble and trying to cause all this. So most likely the original guy who posted about us, and riled up all these Jews on Reddit to come attack us, he- He, found this plaintiff in this litigation and advised to include all of our corporations,↗

15:42Speaker 1a, to try to seek damages against us collectively, which courts will absolutely strike down 'cause it doesn't make sense in the first place, but secondly, by adding us, in the lawsuit, they might be able to try to get access to our members list or other confidential information in discovery. We also think that That's very unlikely. But the longer we do this, the more we're learning as well. Like we didn't expect someone to try to sue us or attack us in quite that way. You know, I didn't expect, for example, the, you know, CPS to be called for them to try to take my kids away. You know, I'm a good dad and I have proper accommodations for my children, and so it, you know, I still have my kids. But, we're learning more and more how to go about the anonymity question, how to- File our corporations, where to file them, how to organize them, essentially the whole bureaucratic maze and legal maze is so convoluted and complex that only a handful of people would be able to tackle it themselves, and it's also just a huge waste of time and energy, which is why, again, Return to the Land exists to fight these battles, to learn these best practices, and then to build a package out where if someone wants To form a community in their area, we simply provide these templates, we tell them where to file, we tell them how to file, provide direct assistance, and it's been working out.↗

17:18Speaker 2What about the me-- like the media-slandering kind of campaigns? Has that died down? It↗

17:23Speaker 1sort of moved to Europe. we had a lot of coverage in France. In Germany, some magazines and television programs have reported on us. So, I think the, the American news cycle kind of got tired of the story, it got picked up very, very widely. I probably had like more than twenty separate, journalist outfits here, to do interviews and either film or print press. So I hope it's going to die down, completely. I really like I've turned down the last several people because I think pretty much we got what we could out of it. We did force the national conversation in a way that I think was productive. And 'cause you see in the comment section, not on X, but on YouTube, on more kinda normie platforms like Facebook, it's sometimes fifty-fifty, sometimes more, the majority of the audience actually, supports what we're doing and believe that we should have the right to do it. And that's also like in person, in the community here, what I've found, even if people wouldn't necessarily want to live this way themselves, or race isn't that important to them on a personal level, still they think that we should have the right to do it. So I think that rhetorical battle has been totally effective. We've gained supporters, and, and also I think that our enemies have sort of second-guessed themselves.↗

18:55Speaker 1of course, if-- so initially, R slash Jewish put out this kind of campaign to harass us, and then after all of the coverage and the reception to it, they haven't persisted. You know, there's the one lawsuit, there's an investigation from a couple government departments, but if they wanted to, they could really go after us with a lot of frivolous litigation that they could afford that would be very costly for us, but they haven't. So I think their calculus is essentially that it is best to leave us alone for now, because when they attack us, they galvanize people in support of us, and also very likely the courts would actually decide in our favor. now once Democrats get in, then it might be a different story, when the next Democratic administration appoints more judges, when the Supreme Court would be more packed with, liberal- Justices then, well, will have had to have prepared very diligently, which is what we're trying to do. we're still raising funds for our, our legal fund. We pay into it ourselves. We also ask for donations because it is basically that legal battle which will determine whether we get to have our own neighborhoods or not in the future.↗

20:21@malleusigHi, Don. Nice to meet you. it's, for me, the-- I mean, the obvious contrast is places like, and we just, we just got a lot of information on this place, places like Kiryat Joel in New York, right, where it's, it's all Ashkenazi or, you know, Orthodox Jews, and they effectively- Are able to keep a portion of the city to themselves, keep others out, keep non them out, right? And on top of that, you know, they're able to get a huge amount of public money to sustain themselves.↗

20:53@malleusigfor me, the contrast is, is, is amazing, the way that you're treated versus the way that they're allowed to go on and, and simply, you know, live their lives. is it, is the difference just money? Do they just have more money and they're able to, to, to make it work that way, or is it, is the bias against, against white people just that strong?↗

21:17Speaker 1Well, yes, I think the bias is that strong. I think that we've been made the villains of history, and it's like that, Billie Eilish quote, that she just said on stage, like, "There's no, no one's illegal on stolen land." And I tweeted about that and said, effectively, that seeds that nations do have a rightful claim to their own territory because this land was supposedly stolen, even though most of it wasn't home. Instead, had, wasn't homesteaded, you couldn't tell necessarily that anyone was even living there because it was migratory hunting grounds.↗

21:55Speaker 1however, you know, according to her logic, the native peoples had a rightful claim to this land, we stole it, and therefore now we shouldn't be able to decide who comes and goes, which basically means she thinks that we should have a right to our own territory, but we specifically, white Americans, have lost that right because of our, our history. Like illegal immigration is a punishment specifically against us. And I think that's really kind of giving the game away. They talk about,↗

22:24Speaker 1social justice, they talk about equity, they talk about principles, but really when it comes down to it, it's all motivated by a deep-seated racial animus, and it's one that's predictable too. It's like, they, they talk most about white supremacy and the evils of white supremacy. Well, thirty years ago, the world was unquestionably a white- White supremacist world. Still today, I mean, most of the powerful nations on earth are white nations. we invented all these technologies, we came up with the scientific revolution, we built the modern world. So what's your reaction going to be to that if you're not a member of our race? How are you gonna respond to that? well, most people don't have the humility to say, "Gee, we ought to be thankful for these Europeans for improving our quality of life."↗

23:13Speaker 1instead, they tend to lash out Out and have a lot of resentment and say, "Well, it was all because, you know, we were taking advantage of them, and actually, you know, we owe them all these reparations or, reverse colonialism or, you know, things like that." So yes, I think the anti-white animus is that strong in a very large number of people. in our particular case, though, we're also-- it is a racial thing for us, it's not a religion. So Jews- Always have this kind of double identity where if they are breaking the law because of racial discrimination, they can just say, "Oh, well, we're not a race, we're a religion." And then sort of at the same time, you can have these secular Jews that are still Jews that still benefit from Jewish, charities and organizations because they're ethnically Jewish. So when it's convenient, they're an ethnicity, when it's convenient, they're a race, and that and the fact that- That they're very entrenched in, New York, New Jersey, they have a lot of high status people who would defend them, who would fund political campaigns for people who are sympathetic and not for people who would combat them. So it's, they have money in the right places, allies in the right places, they have this double identity thing they can fall back on, and a lot of people genuinely hate whites. So↗

24:40@malleusigYeah, yeah. And then to what you said before about the way other people reacted to, to whites, I would say not being supremacist, I would say to whites demonstrating supremacy, right? Because that's what it really comes down to. Most white people aren't white supremacists, as a matter of fact, white supremacists constitute an, a very, very small minority of white people. But what they don't like is white people demonstrating,↗

25:08@malleusigyou know, dominance over the world. And, the, the thing about, you know, you know, we made all these, we made all these, we, you know, we, we, we defeated like childhood mortality, we defeated all the major diseases, we up, you know, uprooted and, and improved sanitation and everywhere we went. The thing is, we look at that and we say to ourselves, "We did this, we made this," right? But it seems as time goes on, more and more, the non-white perspective is, we took it because we got here first, and we hogged it to ourselves, like the whole kind of magic Earth theory, right? Where it's like we're just hogging all the good real estate, and the real estate is what makes us successful. We just have the good neighborhoods, for example, and so we need to share with them. That really seems to be the non-white outlook on all of it.↗

25:58Speaker 1Well, the alternative is a lot less flattering for them. So, I mean, most people, their ideology is really ex post facto. It's justifying what they want, it's, you know, motivating political action in their common interest, and that sense of in-group is, is so automatic. we're really the oddballs in that we tend to think more about abstract principles of justice and things like that. And we should stop expecting the third world to think like us.↗

26:31@malleusigYeah, yeah. We're also-- One of the unique things about us is that we aren't, we don't act like a tribal bloc. We're the only-- We seem to be the only group that doesn't do this. Asians do it, Middle Easterners do it, Africans do this, well, they try to anyway, right? And it's like we actually care about other people. That is, I mean, it's one of the most unique things about Europeans. It's one of the most no-- like ennobling things Is that we will actually get together and work together on behalf of people that are clearly not us.↗

27:04@malleusigand frankly, the fewer there are of us and the less there is of us and our influence, I think the, the world loses because of that. It loses that, the compassion. But, but any-anyways, I was gonna ask you one more thing. The, so you mentioned charities, you know, we have a lot of Jewish charities. As a matter of fact, I would say that one of the main ways that the Jewish groups or the Jewish ethnicity, one of the main ways they- Protect the, protect themselves, promote each other is through the use of charities, and they set up NGOs, they set up,↗

27:42@malleusigHebrew and Ghanian society, right? They set up charities that are specifically Jewish, specifically meant to benefit Jewish people, right? And they get public money to do that. Now, I, I'm, I'm under no illusion that we're ever gonna get public money for a white charity, but, have you ever thought about setting up a charitable organization for outreach to help other white people?↗

28:05Speaker 1Yeah, that's one of the reasons we'd like to possibly transition to a fraternal benefit society, because not only can we offer insurance benefits to members in that case, but we would be a nonprofit organization, and so when people donate toward various causes, those donations would be tax-deductible, which would be huge, obviously. So, I think the, the FBS framework is going to work really nicely in conjunction also with, we're gonna be integrating Hopefully in the near future with a credit union that is actually on our side and, has recently reached its, like funding requirements, and I don't think they're fully chartered yet, but they're very close. So the parallel society thing is the key. It's not just about intentional communities, it's not just about political lobbying or anything like that. It's about having a whole infrastructure aside from the mainstream that we can benefit from. And because People in our circles tend also to be more conscientious about their diet, about exercise and things like that. Like an in-group insurance fund for catastrophic injury and things like that would be way, way more cost-effective for us than for the general public. We have to stop paying into these systems where really we're subsidizing all these unproductive, unhealthy people and start building our own systems, employing our own people,↗

29:33Speaker 1and charities This would definitely be a big part of that.↗

29:37Ian MalcolmAnd Eric, just out of curiosity, because I saw somebody post down into the purple pill asking for commentary just on the community in general for those not as familiar with some of the media coverage and exposure that, you know, I've certainly seen, when it comes to things like, for example, health and wellness, obviously it's a, a, a tight knit group that's out, I assume doing a lot of not only exercise, but also, you know, a lot more manual labor than individuals in the city might be, Accustomed to. I'm kind of curious if you could walk through just, maybe what that might look like, either an average day in the life of, or maybe some of the recommended expectations for people that come out and wanna be part of your community when it comes to physical, you know, wellness and, and, and kind of efforts on the land that you guys are returning to.↗

30:22Speaker 1Yeah, well, I love it. but it is important to actually lower expectations and remember that we've only been here for two years. It was completely undeveloped raw land when we acquired it. Everything that's here, we built from scratch, and we don't really have a lot of community facilities. I like the school of thought in civic planning that essentially societies kind of map themselves onto the spaces that are available and having good public- Public space is, is part of having good public life and discourse. So we have a pavilion right now, that's it as far as our community center. We, it's just about enough to get together for meals once a week, but we don't have proper, facilities to really grow out those more communal dimensions. A lot of us do work out, we,↗

31:14Speaker 1just as a matter of living out in the country, we're always walking on our roads, we are doing a lot of manual labor. I was just installing more- For insulation in one of my buildings today, so everyone's keeping busy. And when we have community dinners, we try to use, you know, European themes. Like we had a Polish dinner night, we've had Russian dinner night. wasn't a fan of the Russian cuisine. I don't know if that's because we're not experts in it or it's just a little bit stark. It seemed kind of stark by nature, but I could be wrong.↗

31:45Speaker 1but yeah, so, basically it's like we are-- what we have in common is that we all Same internet milieu, and obviously we all share in European identity, but a lot of us have followed the same people when it comes to, you know, the dangers of vitamin A, for example. That's one thing I got red pilled on by my community members here. I like carrots, you know, I, I didn't realize that, it was actually a toxin. So a lot of that kind of word of mouth, health advice, exercise advice, martial arts skills, first aid skills, a lot of that just organically comes Up in the course of conversation, and a lot of it is still very informal, and essentially you can make it as communal of an experience as you want, or you can treat it more or less as a neighborhood. And there are places out here you can simply build your homestead, maybe show up for community dinner if you want, but other than that, you know, you don't have to be up in everyone's business.↗

32:44Speaker 1future communities could make more requirements for, you know, being involved in, in kind of town affairs, The group of us that actually did this tended in a more libertarian direction, and I think that's kind of the safer direction to in. I would certainly rather live under a more laissez-faire HOA than a more, interventionist HOA, for example.↗

33:08Speaker 1But yeah, it's really what you want to make of it. of course, we're integrated with other groups in the area, active clubs. We've had, you know, jujitsu, boxing, and that sort of thing, take place here, and we definitely wanna build that out, as, you know, more, growth, building, and facilities allow.↗

33:31@malleusigNice. that makes, oh, go for it. No, I was gonna say, that sounds fantastic. I was gonna comment that the, the, the thing that people seem to be most afraid of is, is, is white people just getting together and, and becoming friends with each other, you know, just getting together and talking to each other, because most of the things you're talking about Just a result of talking to other white people and sharing information with them. Even the, the genesis of the project, it's, you know, from what you said, it sounds like it's just started from a few guys getting together and talking about it. And, this is for me the most important part. People can actually start↗

34:04@malleusigDoing what you're doing, or I mean, not, not like the whole pro- the whole project, but we can start among ourselves, you know, the entire thing just by getting together with each other and talking, sharing information with each other, and the way that, the way the Jews used to do, the way the Jews still do, they get together every Saturday and share stock tips, you know, that kind of thing is probably the most important thing for us to be doing right now.↗

34:26Speaker 1Right. If you take a, a group of white people and put them anywhere on Earth, and they will develop civilization, they will build a society. Not all groups are like that. It's really baked into our nature. in terms of history, I subscribe to the idea that most of the great civilizations were actually founded by people who looked like us, and then later, kind of like Egypt, for example, not exactly we West Kings, but, you know, they were more similar to us than they are today.↗

34:54Speaker 1so I think it's just part of our nature. You can't not have civilization emerge when we're actually allowed to associate. So return to the land is about removing those barriers that get in the way of us simply exercising our natural ability to self-govern. and we shouldn't take that for granted. We should definitely embrace that, and we should definitely try to steer away from this kind of near Eastern despotic attitude. I think some of the fascist and national socialist influences are actually hostile to the European way of thinking and organizing, we've always had multiple states, we've always had representational forms of government. We have not had these god kings like maybe, maybe, Evila would like to return to or something like that. I think, we have to stop idolizing people and saying them above and beyond us in our circles online. We have to be more democratic, more individually oriented. it's as simple as get a group of white men together and they're gonna build something that'll last.↗

35:56Ian MalcolmYeah, and, and Eric, it's, Rabbi, it's, it's a very curious, window for this, and I, I, I say it because I've, I've found myself, Eric, I, I guess, providing what I don't think to necessarily be a controversial statement, but rather just one that there, there are differences across people. It seems like we can, of course, recognize those when it comes to height and weight, perhaps the color of individual skin, the shape of their eyes, all these other things, and, I mean, So inherent, not o-one size fits all, but there are inherent patterns of either intrinsic or, let's say, behavioral traits that do tend to emerge from certain groups of people, right? And, and that, that, that's not just white, black versus brown, yellow, whatever, but I mean, even amongst the Europeans, people would suggest that the Italians have certain, let's say, personality traits, right, versus the Irish. Those are kind of well-established, but it's very strange because if you were to suggest that, hey, I- Like this type of people, and like you just mentioned, I think they've built wonderful civilizations in the past. It's, it-- to, to suggest those things and then to look at the architecture or the art or the ethics or the literature of those prior societies, it's not to frown upon or to criticize anybody else, and yet to say, "I like what they've built, I'm proud of what they've-- they have built, I want to see that perpetuate, whether it's the culture or the people that came out of the culture. Either way, that somehow- It's apparently a bigoted thing in modernity, and I'm kind of curious because I haven't heard you necessarily say anything remotely critical of anyone else. You're merely saying I like what I am and what I came from and I'm downstream from, and yet that appears to be really offensive to people, and I, I know you've of course gotten similar pushback, and so I'm curious for your thoughts on that, and perhaps if that's a result of academia and the media and the other influences of what I would loosely call the JQ,↗

37:54Ian Malcolmor if there's something else maybe at play There that, that prevents people from seeing your pride in your people and their former civilizations as somehow an attack on, on them or something that they, I suppose, aren't.↗

38:08Speaker 1Well, yeah, that is how it is perceived. like I was saying, thirty years ago, we lived on a white supremacist planet. That would be really hard to deny. Like East Asia was only very, very recently developed. Most people were living in total poverty while we were developed for hundreds of years. and when you go deeper back and do more digging, you see more and more evidence of the things that we have built going above and beyond in many- cases what others have built. Now, I don't hate other groups, I think diversity is actually a good thing. I would rather live in a world where I could experience different cultures when I wanted to. Now, you can't do that if you mix everyone together in your own homeland so that their cultures are bastardized, your culture is bastardized, and no one remains pure and distinct and unique.↗

39:00Speaker 1but at the same time, there is a quantitative, qualitative difference in the level of civilization that different peoples reach. You know, I think it'd be absurd to claim that the Aboriginal Australians were comparable in terms of innate mental capacity or level of development with the White Australians. I, I mean, that's just following the data. That doesn't mean I hate Aboriginal people. In some ways, I think they have access to truths that I would never have access to, because they're operating at a different level of cognition. In the same way, and I don't mean this in a derogatory sense, but in the same way that I can't comprehend what it's like to be a dog. You know, or a spider. I can't comprehend what it's like to be in the mind of a black person, in the mind of a, a Japanese person. These are unique views of the world. They have unique strengths, unique weaknesses, a unique way of seeing the world, their own umfeld. And, and just to, just to jump in, I don't think you're making↗

40:01Ian Malcolma-- And, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you're attempting to make a comparison between the spider or the dog or other races of people. Rather, you're just saying↗

40:12Speaker 1Yeah, they're all unique and good things, but also they're not all the same in terms of a rank order of intelligence or what they're capable of developing. you know, I'll be very glad to admit that some East Asian groups have a higher average IQ than white people, but I'll also be glad to admit that we have a very wide standard deviation, we have of all the races probably the most outlier geniuses, and that's why we've invented most of these technologies. There has to be some reason reason for it, right? It's not pure, you know, guns, germs, and steel happenstance of we got all the good land first.↗

40:51Speaker 1so yeah, I mean, it shouldn't be a controversial thing, but also at some level, I think all groups should by default be somewhat supremacist of their own group. It's like if a sports team wasn't supremacist of their own team, they wouldn't ever win. You know, if you want to win, you have to think you're the best, you have to go out there and compete like you're the The best. So like, do I think white people are the best? I mean, obviously in some sense. Does that make me a white supremacist? Well, I think that Filipino people should think that Filipino people are the best, if for no other reason than their own mental wellbeing. And certainly there are things that I really enjoy about Filipino people. I've had Filipino friends, I think they have a great attitude, usually. I think, their food is good. You know, I like langniisa and rice with some eggs on the side, I'll take that.↗

41:41Speaker 1but, you know I-- that doesn't mean that I don't get to have the same kind of pride, in my own people, and I think really it does come down to when you look at the track record, it is so overwhelmingly in our favor in terms of human accomplishment that it's intrinsically offensive to other people, and they just can't look at the question.↗

42:03Ian MalcolmYeah, and that's the-- it, it is such a curious thing in, in, you know, in the world that we find ourselves in. I, I mentioned this, or mentioned it the other day, and I guess again, it, it, it's taken us offensive to some people, but we've got lots of tropes in society, when it comes to things that are positive of other groups and/or negative, for whatever it's worth, towards, white individuals. And everybody is very familiar with White Men Can't Jump, the movie with,↗

42:32Ian MalcolmSnipes, right? this-- that was, I guess you'd call it highbrow pop culture in the sense that it was a blockbuster movie, and of course, white men can't dance and don't have rhythm and all these other things, and these are just tropes that in society we all learn to just laugh at. But if you say, "Hey, I, I think these group of people in the past have built wonderful societies, and look at all these inventions, whether it's, again, in literature, in art, in theology, right?" But to, to have↗

43:03Ian Malcolmvillainous if from this one group that seems to be in the crosshairs of what I believe to be, obviously a, let's say, a fabrication or a construction by the group of people that control the media, that control the music, that control academia, and we're seeing a lot of that firsthand through, of course, the Epstein files that just came out, where not only are we seeing the supremacy of one group of people that I believe essentially rule the Western world, but also they're animus towards individuals that might come from those civilizations relations that we're talking about, and it seems not only that that is clear cut, it seems overtly obvious to the point that it seems to be flagrantly ignorant to ignore that, and yet at the same time, there, there seems to be a, a complete willingness to overlook if that is happening so that people can merely continue with the animosity that perhaps they've been indoctrinated with, which is really unfortunate. And it, it kind of brings me to the next question, which is around this group of people, because I've seen obviously there, there are- Or folks trying to meddle with your efforts, it, the ADL, along with a lot of these other groups that love their lawfare, seemingly have put you guys in the crosshairs trying to shut you down. And, and it just, it seems like in some ways you might represent kind of the furthest end, of this spear, the, the sharpest point of it, that is merely just saying, hey, we don't wanna aggress upon anybody else, we don't wanna cause harm to anybody else, we don't wanna disparage anybody else, we just wanna be Do that and self-segregate because we like who we are, with no animosity aimed at anybody else. So I'm, I'm, I'm curious of the pushback that you've been receiving. What percentage of that, in terms of its impact or the degree of friction that it's caused you, has been downstream with perhaps what I would loosely think of as Jewish supremacy versus maybe other groups that maybe are flaming you guys just for, again, choosing to self-segregate, whether that's via races or, or maybe political ideology? Apologies, et cetera. I'm curious where you guys get the most friction from and the most day-to-day frustrations from.↗

45:10Speaker 1Well, the majority of the media outlets that have covered us were Jewish owned. a large number of Jewish journalists, have come out, like the New York Times reporter was Jewish, several of them have been Jewish. you know, they're overrepresented in a lot of high-status industries, but especially media, and it is very political, 'cause most of these- News outlets don't actually make money, they lose money, and the billionaires who own them own them for the sake of the propaganda outlet that they afford. so it's clearly in the interest of the people who own these particular media corporations, to cast us in a negative light, and I think that's why at least the, the American circuit, has kind of died down because they saw that actually our stance Is highly defensible. Our optics, well, you know, we're still relatively undeveloped here,↗

46:10Speaker 1we got here two years ago, they're fairly positive and wholesome for the most part. You know, they'll try to cast it in the poorest light they can, but, I think they basically saw that it wasn't turning out in their favor, and I don't expect, at least before the next Democrat gets in, for If you wanna say like organized Jewry to actually overtly go after us. I think they see the backlash, and I also think it's a really bad time, i-in general for like Jewish PR. People are very skeptical of our support of Israel. former die-hard Trump supporters are now turning their back on him because of this,↗

46:52Speaker 1dual loyalty he seems to have. So, yeah, I don't know, I think it's actually gonna be alright on that front. I think they're smart enough not to poke the hive or poke the bear, when they can't actually get away with it, and I think currently they actually can't get away with it. It doesn't mean they won't find proxies. Like I said, one of the guys from R slash Jewish seems to be advising the plaintiff in the one lawsuit that is actually ongoing, and so you'll have those types, like some- Some Jews, just like some Gentiles, are so hardcore ideological in their frame of mind, everything is about their worldview, and a lot of these Jews especially are vehemently anti-white, and I've gotten, you know, death threats from people, I've gotten hate messages, particularly from Jews on, you know, Facebook and different platforms, and so you will have that type of actor from those spaces, and they will be disproportionately represented But I don't actually feel like we're being targeted by organized Jewery now. I think they kind of considered it and did what they usually do, which is rally in shame and slander, and it didn't work. And so now they're, they're probably just gonna wait until Democrats get in,↗

48:13Speaker 1so that they can lawfare us to death successfully. So essentially, we have a little less than three years to get our, eggs in a row in preparation for that.↗

48:23Ian MalcolmYeah, no, and, and it's, it, it's, it's such a shame that these things, can become politicized, but I suppose it's nice that you do have that buffer. and it's not remotely surprising that you've gotten, let's say, scrutinized by the usual suspects. It, it seems like this certainly is something that there would be a lot of animosity towards. and, and when it comes to that, the, the good piece is that, and, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna- Try and lead the witness on this one, and I say it because the answer that you just gave was not only succinct, but also very well thought through, as have been essentially all the answers that you've been providing here. And I, I mention this because I feel like for a lot of individuals that are unfamiliar with yourself and what you're doing, that this would be rooted in a very American history X type animosity towards the others, whereas it seems like it's very much just rooted in a support and a protectionism of your People, a respect and a reverence for them, a, a, an interest and, and action to bring about something that is able to protect that in the best way that you can see fit, and, and to just say that you're trying to detach yourself from a lot of things that perhaps are not only weaponized against maybe the minds via the academic system and the media and all this other kind of stuff, but just remove yourself from-- I don't wanna say from society, but in some ways it feels like you're almost doing a return to land similar to perhaps what in- In some ways, the Amish might be, just with a very different flavor for what you're aspiring to ultimately become. which leads me to the question along the lines of theology or religion and how that might play into what you guys are, are building. And I say that because some people would probably presume that it's, it's rooted in Christianity or in paganism or in Viking lore or, you know, any other caricatures of what you guys are building. But I'm, I'm, I'm curious if it's a, a democracy of religious founding Or if people tend to have a, a similar framework across those that are living around you and with you.↗

50:24Speaker 1Sure. Yeah. Well, there is religious diversity even in the first community. most of us are Christian and most of us go to different churches in the area. We don't have like a, a house of worship yet on the land here. Other communities, like we have another community that is explicitly Christian. we can have communities that are explicitly anti-Christian or pagan or, you know, neopagan Or whatever. and I think that's good, that's sort of the strength of the European model, the Westphalian model, and also the principle behind having different states under one federal government. By having a more minarchist, top-down, bare bones, association, individual communities can have that tight level of integration where they need it. But the scope of our problem is pretty simple. We want to leave legally facilitate white intentional communities and community building in, less direct and overt forms. We want to facilitate a fraternal benefit society to give members, access to various benefits, whether they be insurance or access to various recreational properties and things like that. We don't want scope creep. We don't want, you know, our association to be about giving the big answers to the meaning of life And the afterlife, it's just not-- there are more direct threats that we face, and there's a very clear path forward on certain issues. When it comes to matters of theology, it isn't so clear, that, you know, getting everyone to become a Thomist is going to result in universal harmony and social accord and the prospering of our people.↗

52:13Speaker 1I mean, I guess it could, but we can also have that, whole experiment- Out where one community is Catholic, another community is Asatru, and we'll actually see how do these various, religious beliefs pan out in the real world. So, so yeah, it's, it's diverse, but it's all rooted in European religious traditions, and I do personally believe there is a large degree of continuity between the different European religious traditions, especially on that kind of classical pagan versus Christian split. I think it gets overstated, and a lot of our pagans have, have very good feelings towards Jesus and understand that the church fathers and Christian theologians were essentially Platonists and held to the same kind of metaphysics that the Hellenistic pagans did, and perhaps that the Norse pagans did, we just don't have as much evidence. Like I believe a lot of this stuff goes back to some deep truth that was disseminated thousands of years ago by the, the same people who spread the Indo-European languages. that's my own anthropological view, and so I, I think it's rational to expect that all the various traditions descending from that common People who gave us our, our various tongues, that there's some deep substrate that,↗

53:36Speaker 1provides enough unity at least for us to get along. So we wouldn't admit, Muslims, we wouldn't admit Jews, because those aren't traditional European religions. We wouldn't admit militant atheists. That's never been a socially acceptable position in, in European society. if you're agnostic and just not sure, well, that actually is a pretty well attested view in the history of Western- intellectual life, there have been plenty of agnostics,↗

54:03Speaker 1so as long as you can live and let live, in a common association where you see these people maybe once or twice a year and then have access to various chats where you can communicate, if you can kind of restrict those issues to your own personal community and the people you're associating with directly on a day-to-day basis, I think we, we just don't have to fight about these things, you know? So that's, you know, my own kind of conciliatory approach. I'd rather harmonize than look out for sources of disunity and faction when possible. Of course, sometimes you have to draw a hard line, like for us, no Muslims. You know, I know there are white Muslims, but Islam isn't a European religion. Christianity, you could say, in some ways, isn't a European religion. However, it's so steeped in Western culture, it's, you know, the New Testament is largely written In Greek, it's clearly informed by Hellenistic philosophy,↗

55:05Speaker 1and, and even Judaism at that point was influenced by Hellenistic philosophy, although of course, we wouldn't accept, Jews in the association because they're not Europeans. It's really as simple as that. The borders, the line is with the borders of Europe That's where↗

55:19Ian Malcolmit's, it's, that was gonna be, that's gonna be my next question. I was gonna have to throw it out 'cause I was certain that there were a lot of people in the audience that were wondering that exact same thing. And, and for what it's worth, I, I always make that distinction. I find it very strange that Jews themselves treat themselves as not white and are, let's say, available for all kinds of diversity applications and programs in the United States, which would, that would overtly signal that they are, are not, So themselves, and we could go into the Khazars and the Turks and all the backstory on, on where those people likely came from. But it's a whole different conversation. I, I, I agree with your guys' assessment there. and I know in terms of, of diversity of opinion, I also-- I mean, I have a very big respect, Eric, for that. I always try to value free speech. I always let anybody and everybody come up. I know there's lots and lots of hands, lots of people interested to ask you questions.↗

56:14Ian Malcolmand I'm Have, spoken in the past, but, he has a YouTube channel, I think that was well north of a million subscribers, that was basically on living off grid, and so has been a big proponent to that. So I feel like you two are, are gonna be very similar in terms of some of the challenges and opportunities that you faced, and so we'll, we'll start there, we'll go throughout the rest of the hands, and I'll welcome Eric and, and Rabbi to kind of move throughout this portion of the Q&A as, as of course they↗

56:48@warsawerikIan, good to hear you, brother. And yeah, Eric and I have been, acquainted in the past, and, great to hear updates from what's happening with our TTL. I've been following it all with great interest, and, Eric, yeah, you and I re- we talked a little earlier. I definitely wanna have you on my YouTube channel coming up, though I don't have a million subscribers, Ian. I, I appreciate the, the, the vote of confidence, but it's around six hundred thousand, so not, not quite over a million,↗

57:18@warsawerikHappening to them right now is, is not surprising as far as litigation and such, but there's so much-- I mean, one thing that, I mean, I hope people who are tuning in here can be, so appreciated of, of, is the trailblazing that they're doing for all of us. I mean, this is, this is epic level stuff where the next iteration of this is only gonna get better. And one, one thing I wanted to just drop in, maybe Eric and I could, we could have a private conversation- Sometime regarding this, in, in, in regards to your, your litigation, but there is a process that we're doing up here in Canada, and it is possible, it's, it's a similar process in the United States. It's essentially what banking elites do, is you've got your RTTL organization in a corporation, and then you've got, shareholders or directors, that have appointed shares in the, in the land agreement. what one can do to protect that organization from litigation is form a trust organization on top and basically capture the, the, corporation into the trust and then put a lien from the trust on the corporation. And, we're, we, we, we do-- there's, there's different ways to do this, and it's, it's sort of related to what's called a secured party creditor process, and the idea is by putting a lien on the Subsidiary corporation, you're essentially creating a legal shield around it. So there's a, there's a maxim of equity that says, first in time, first in line. So if somebody wants to come at you with a ten million dollar suit, you've already got a lien in front, so the lien has to first be dealt with. And so, I just wanted to put that out there 'cause it, it is a process that, there's a number of us doing it up here in Canada, and it is tried and true, it's, it's been tested in the courts. We've had suits, defended and, and shot down essentially, and, and this actually all came from stuff that we learned in the US, so there is processes down there. But, yeah, I don't wanna hog the space, I just wanted to put that past Eric because I'm looking forward to connecting with him TTL is very, very important for the times that we're in, so I just wanna leave it there and, yeah, thanks guys.↗

59:41Speaker 1Thank you for that. Yeah, I don't think we've heard that specific use of a trust, but we are considering incorporating, a trust in holding this land here in the near future. It helps, also even with anonymity, you know, if the beneficiary of a trust is segmented or separate from the entity that's listed on a plat map, for example.↗

1:00:05Speaker 1then it's just harder to go after your actual members. So there are a lot of benefits. We have some trusts, some people who are familiar with the process with trusts in the association, and we're just kind of beginning to scratch the surface, but definitely, I'll DM you and I'd like to get more specifics on how to implement that.↗

1:00:24@warsawerikYeah, for sure. Yeah, 'cause, 'cause what you can do is you can essentially move the title to the trustee and then, and then the trust- Is on title, and so every state and province has a slightly different regulation with it as far as is there a transfer tax? But up here in Canada, in at least four out of the provinces in Canada, we know for a fact that we can transfer the title to the trust, so you can make some, you know, generic trust name, and you can transfer the title And the be-- the, the beauty of it is, is now the trust name is on title, and it could be just like one, two, three Trust Limited or so, whatever, whatever name you want it to be, totally generic, and now you've got another shield, whereas like when you get these leftist crazy organizations that are just trying to smear you, they don't, they can't necessarily do property title searches in the same way. So all we're, all we're doing is, is adding these layers, and this is what all these bankers do, like this is their shit. We've Learned it by kind of fucking around to find out many years, because you can't really learn this stuff. You can't just go to some domestic lawyer and get this stuff for the most part. This is stuff that's in the circles of the aristocratic class, where they have these, you know, super elite tax lawyers who know how to do these kinds of things, and they don't want the plebs like us to figure this stuff out. But it's all there, and if, if you read the laws, you can find these things, but just, you know, most people don↗

1:01:57@warsawerikI was gonna sit back and listen, but, appreciate you, brother, and, and we'll connect soon. And Austin,↗

1:02:02@malleusigyeah, to that point, Curtis, I just want to say this is essentially, the idea that like, you know, Jews are wizards, I think really has its strongest evidence in this kind of thing. Where magic doesn't look like, you know, sparkles coming from your fingertips, magic is literally the legal system, the financial system, all the Wall Street shit they put up, where they get to control reality with words, right? Whether the words on being spoken or words on paper, but that's essentially what they've done, and what you're doing What you're describing is us, you know, kind of playing the sorcerer's apprentice and, and learning how to wield the magic ourselves, which I think is, is what we all need to do.↗

1:02:45Speaker 1I did some mortgage origination, I don't know how long ago now, years ago, and when I kind of went through with the class of people getting licensed, they brought in this Jewish banker. He didn't teach to the test whatsoever, which would benefit us. Instead, he got up there and he bragged about how back in the day he used to rip people off, well, with all these exotic mechanisms that are now illegal. so there's definitely some truth to it, and I think like Adam... Logically, the word spell,↗

1:03:17Speaker 1has to do with like spelling and just being literate in the first place. And, you know, the Jews have been literate, or like Near Easterners have been literate for thousands and thousands of years. European civilization as we know it, like Northern European civilization, is relatively young. So it's sort of like these people who have been at it for eight thousand, ten thousand years coming into a group of people who just barely got started and sort of taking advantage, but↗

1:03:44@malleusigYeah,↗

1:03:44Speaker 1yeah.↗

1:03:45@malleusigYeah, and I don't know if a lot of people know this, but the, the newsletter was invented by Jews, so it was invented by a, again, like you said, a hyper-literate population that essentially took advantage of the fact that they could read They had access to printing pro-technology, and, others couldn't, and so they would pass newsletters back and forth between their communities and do things like, you know, tell each other what was happening politically and share financial advice and that kind of thing, and they could do exclusively within their own group to their own interest. And,↗

1:04:18@malleusigI, I think it's, it's really telling how that was one of the first things they made illegal for us to do. Was for us to assist each other out of straight ethnic and self-interest, right? Which is essentially like, no, no, this is, this is our weapon, you're not allowed to use this.↗

1:04:37Speaker 3Yeah, that's a quick point. I was gonna say, Henry Ford actually talks about it in the International Jew that historically they actually were the scribes, so like the precursor to modern media and everything.↗

1:04:50@malleusigYep. Yep. All right, I'm not really sure, this is- I don't see any more hands up. I see hands on my screen. You see hands on your screen? All right.↗

1:05:02Speaker 1Brunel, Pact, 40, allegedly.↗

1:05:08@malleusigExcellent. Let's go to them.↗

1:05:13Speaker 3Brunella? I'll get up and if↗

1:05:17Speaker 4you guys want, I'll get up. Yes, yes. Ladies first. Good evening. Alice, good evening from Europe. I, I hear a lot of Europe. We'll get you next back, don't worry.↗

1:05:25@malleusigGo ahead, Bernard. Yep.↗

1:05:26Speaker 4Can you↗

1:05:27@malleusighear me? Yep.↗

1:05:27Speaker 4Yeah? Can you hear me? Yes,↗

1:05:28@malleusigwe can hear↗

1:05:30Speaker 4you. I was already talking, shall, shall I start again?↗

1:05:36Speaker 4So I hear a lot of talking about Europe and, and I jump up because There are many spaces, and of course, it's not by accident, this kind of, narratives, especially from US about what's going on in Europe, and then I, I always like to help, you know, and give, a more efficient, with the boots in the ground, what's going on here really in Europe. So,↗

1:06:04Speaker 4I will say in general, Listening to all of you guys, I keep seeing people, being shared in boxes. So it depends of the color that you have, the nationality, the flag that you pray or whatever, you know, because nowadays there is more people praying flags than the gods, as we all well know. The cows is, of course, wanted. All the cows that we all, have at the moment is It's a combination of eight. this is because,↗

1:06:39Speaker 4of course, the target is the militarization, as we can see, is already on, and after that there will be the totalitarianism. So It's also true that at the same time we all have this kind of entertainment, emotional entertainment, this kind of Epstein that come in, come out, come in, come out, with some, logic purpose of, entertaining people and take the attention of the people away from what really is happening and will happen into them in the future.↗

1:07:13Speaker 4I will just say that, for example, concerning Europe, nothing that we saw in the last few years was natural. now our leaders, that they've been selected and chosen, groomed by oligarchs, they have their headquarters of course in the United States, but they're moving out. They're moving out soon anyway, because as soon the United States will collapse, any will collapse. They will be ready to jump somewhere else. It's also interesting that we keep calling the Middle East, the Middle East, considering, considering that we need to think all the time about the East of what.↗

1:07:52Speaker 4So we need to start to change this kind of talking and thinking, you know, we need to revalue like all this attitude that we have, that because I born in one state, my state is the right one, because I, I born in a family that pray that God, my God is the right one. I understand it is a little bit difficult, but it was very simple. The natural way that the world was going in the globalization was pretty healthy and nice, and there weren't no culture at all in dangerous. But it was very, very inconvenient for the oligarchs. So what they're doing, they're pushing us violently back to the middle age. Time, not, the Middle East, the Middle Age, and this is wanted, that is in purpose, because from there on it's will be very easy to be-- we will be very easy to be controlled. What I don't understand is, maybe I was lucky, and because I was for something like thirty years in the international community, I also won myself in a World Economic Forum a couple of times, and maybe because- I had this opportunity to see the people and to hear the people and how different. I don't know if many of you have been had opportunity to be present of one of these meetings. It's a completely different talking, it's a completely different behavior. There are no talk of gods, you don't hear about dogs, gods, religions, you don't hear about talking about, passport or,↗

1:09:28Speaker 4you know, nationality. It's all about business and power Power and control, and nothing else. So all the rest and all the things that we're talking all over now about races, colors, flags, nationality, protecting the culture and this and that, it's not, nothing touching that, touch like this, damn. It's just for us, because it's easy then to control us. And this is what's happening. And I am nobody, I'm really nobody. How can be possible that a nobody like me understand this many decades ago, and still in our days we don't have professional people that don't get what's happening, what they want, and what is the target?↗

1:10:18Speaker 4I, I didn't study as an Italian the Roman Empire, but in the United States, you know exactly how the Roman, the Roman Empire conquered the world. Why? Because we're being programmed since the beginner to become what we are, all of us. And then we start to travel, and then we start to travel really. I mean, we move country, we work in different countries. I mean, I changed myself fourteen different country. Several continents, and I was lucky enough to see so many different people from all over the world.↗

1:10:54Speaker 4But, again, I was lucky because this, I, I start to recognize the lies and what they're doing to us. So it will be nice and interesting to see and to hear the people talking a little bit more about how to defend humanity from the attack that we have. That isn't losing the culture and isn't losing the religion, is, is about actually the kind of, the population that they have in mind for us, and it's already happening. Yeah, and Brunel, that's a,↗

1:11:26Ian Malcolmthat's a great question for Eric. I'm, I'm kind of curious, Eric, because what I, what I think I'm hearing is that Brunel is excited and encouraged for what you're doing and prospectively to see that grow and influence others to perhaps take up a mantle that might look somewhat like yours, whether it's a physical embodiment or perhaps a spiritual Or an intellectual one, and I'm kind of curious what the reaction has been. Do you have lots of people that are kind of, getting together with you ideologically, even if not physically, and are, are starting to take these ideas and, and, some of the celebration of the culture that she was just referencing into their own communities?↗

1:12:01Speaker 1Yeah, I think we have inspired, more reflection on that for others, but also this issue of what the, you know, so-called global elite are really after. I'd like to think that what we're doing can actually be to their benefit, and there are groups, you know, elite-sponsored groups that are experimenting with more intentional communities, you know, Balaji's book, The Network State, is very popular In those circles, especially the more tech elite side of things, and, you know, if you think about it, if you privatize a lot of these functions that currently the state has to pay for, like roads and education, you're gonna have more cohesive communities that are more high trust, economic,↗

1:12:52Speaker 1you know, processes will be with less friction, and, and also just in a direct sense, the state, like, we have our roads here that we- We maintain, the state doesn't have to maintain them. So, I, I feel like this model elites are considering, are thinking about, and there's also a superabundance of would-be elites, and they have competition among themselves. It's not just like the insiders and Rothschilds who are controlling everything anymore. They're still highly relevant, you know, make no mistake. However, new actors can rise to the very top very quickly, just based on those capital- Mechanisms, entrepreneurship, innovation, et cetera, and what we're doing is an innovative form of social organization that could be integrated with the more decentralized economic processes that are also now becoming available with crypto, with, you know, modular manufacturing and, you know, CNC operations being at a much smaller scale than old style factories. and there are even military benefits And having a, a decentralized manufacturing base, where the whole process is com- compartmentalized. You know, we have the equipment to manufacture a particular bearing, right? And ultimately that goes into some new exotic jet, but, you know, we didn't know that when we made the bearing. So I, I don't think that we have to be in direct competition like the elites wanna take away our humanity and we wanna keep it. I think there is that faction, and there are definitely global- lists transhumanists who are all about the universal and are against any particular distinctions being preserved, but not all of them are so simple-minded, and I think some of them will recognize the intrinsic benefits that come from putting humans in more of a natural habitat for humans, so Dunbar-sized unit, social, like the fifteen-minute smart city. This comes from that school of thought on their side. Now, you can take it in a dystopian way Or a more utopian way, and that's really up to us to give a proof of concept that will actually make things more efficient economically for you, as the system, if you allow us to do our own thing.↗

1:15:14Speaker 4But can I finish?↗

1:15:19Ian MalcolmWe, we've got a lot of hands, so why don't we go to, some of the others for a moment, and then we'll come back. Yeah, but just one, just↗

1:15:23Speaker 4one question to him, and then I'm leaving the room like that. Oh, that's fine,↗

1:15:26Ian Malcolmthat's fine, yeah, go for it.↗

1:15:30Speaker 4I, I disagree completely in, in all those, and, and I'm, and I try not to answer to the offenses, but, but, but it's important for me one thing, if, just one question. We reach such a level of high technology and science, enough, completely enough to,↗

1:15:54Speaker 4to create really a world where everybody can live healthy and well. why do you think that this isn't happening?↗

1:16:07Speaker 1well, because technological capacity isn't everything, there's also incentives, and currently mass immigration is the cheap and easy short run decision for corporations, and since they're obligated to serve their shareholders, they will advocate for the policies that undercut wages and, in the, the very short term, boost their profits.↗

1:16:33Speaker 1It's not. And so how can↗

1:16:34Speaker 4we change this? How can we change this? How can we start to use science and technology instead of to go to Mars or to create twelve people, right now twelve people that live in the United States own half of the wealth of the planet. So how can we start? I don't,↗

1:16:53@malleusigI don't, I don't really know if that's inside the scope of the discussion right now. I think that Arvind is not gonna be a, he's not gonna be the person to ask that question. Well,↗

1:17:01Speaker 1I think it's not Build communities, though. We build the example. If you want the future to look a certain way, then build a community where it is that way and scale it.↗

1:17:09Speaker 4There you go. Thank you. There you go. Break↗

1:17:12Speaker 1free of the social programming.↗

1:17:14@malleusigYeah. Back to you next.↗

1:17:18Speaker 3Eric, I would like to say that, you are a brilliant mind and a voice of reason in a lot of, like, the far right, alt-right space politics. I see that the way you carry yourself is a very stoic manner, and I see you leading the way as to, for white survival in the future to be an enclave. And, my question kinda, I'm gonna give a little context before it, but,↗

1:17:44Speaker 3I do, I, I, I see that like a lot of our-- so I'm pure European, and, from, my parents are Portuguese immigrants. We actually live in a, in a, what was considered a, a European enclave in the past in California, and this was actually a, a, a phenomenon throughout US global history, like there was Germans, I believe, in Ohio,↗

1:18:06Speaker 3You know, Irish in New York and everything, they used to settle across various, it used to be standardized and accepted. There was, there's entire villages that look like European, you know, ar-architecture and whatnot. This used to be normalized and everything. And I guess, kinda what my question is, is with Return to the Land with, obviously, you, you guys are a very family-based, you know, self-sustaining community and everything. My question is, is, What is your, goal as far as like education to go and break free of the, the white guilt programming and everything? 'Cause from my honest perspective is, I feel as if, you know, me growing up in America, that we were given a very shallow, biased, anti-white, one-sided version of history. And I'm not necessarily saying go full conspiracy theory like World War Two and dismantling things, but I'm saying like, what are your guys' steps or your guys'↗

1:19:02Speaker 3Goals or plans to, to, you know, give like a, a true historical perspective, because I mean, from my perspective, I, I feel as we were lied to. It's all, we were programmed with "white man bad, white devil, white blah, blah, blah," but then we never talk about the ending of slavery with, like, you know, the British or, you know, and the, the way that white people actually benefited Africa and colonization. Like, I'm just curious as to how you're gonna do to, to, to break the indoctrination of like the white↗

1:19:32Speaker 3Plans are for the youth.↗

1:19:35Speaker 1Well, yeah, I mean, the adults are all on the same page, naturally. They're selecting themselves into the group on that basis, and, we have a homeschool policy in our first community, so you can't send your kids to public education. I think that's the biggest thing. Take away the poison, and the organism will start to heal of its own accord. there's also, like I said, people are selecting themselves into This because they care about our identity. So in evolutionary terms, we are creating a very strong pressure towards in-group and positive, in-group sentiments. As far as, you know, how I would go about it, I mean, I've done, like most of us have, a lot of study on the history of the twentieth century and how we got here and ancient history as well, and I would teach that full context. It's only when you don't understand the history of slavery In other parts of the world, that slavery in the United States seems particularly egregious. So, you know, I mean, I just basically think that a good, well-rounded education where you get the kids to really understand world history and living in a pro-white context is probably sufficient. but not all the kids will ultimately stay in our communities. Some of them will want to go join the mainstream. There's always gonna be that temptation. And there's always the prestige of the high status, elite roles in society that can only right now be offered through the establishment. I think I'm pretty cynical about, you know, people's beliefs. I think they are fairly Machiavellian and self-serving with what they ultimately believe. So if you want people to believe good things about our race, then provide a context where that belief translates to↗

1:21:30Speaker 1material benefits. A, a circumstance in life that they don't want to give up. So my real focus is on making these communities prosperous and good places to live, and safe, and where communication, you know, gets along well between members. and I think if all of that stuff is good, then it's enough to simply remove the programming and try to give the kids just an objective,↗

1:21:59Speaker 1view of history and the world.↗

1:22:03Speaker 3Awesome, man. I, I love to hear that. And, I, I do wanna say though, with, like, me mentioning like the European enclaves and whatnot, are, are you guys gonna be, having like cultural, and I, I do admire like your perspective on, you know, given the full scope and everything, are you guys gonna do some sort of like, 'cause one of the things that I feel like the American, the Americanization and like the melting pot experiment has done is kind of like strip us of our Europeanness And people actually try to, our ideals and our multiculturalist virus is infecting the world in itself. I feel like a lot of this stuff like stems from Zangwill's, bullshit melting pot ideology. Are you guys gonna have like cultural, like European cultural heritage days, like celebrating like Nordic, you know, stuff or like,↗

1:22:56Speaker 3French or Italian, any kind of stuff like that? 'Cause I always like, I try to preach like a Western unity 'Cause what I noticed right now is everybody's pointing at each other saying, "You're the problem, you're the problem."↗

1:23:10Speaker 1And, is that because you're Portuguese and you wanna make sure that you're in the club?↗

1:23:15Speaker 3I get, I get kicked out of the club quite often, actually. people, Anglos will say that I'm not white, "You're, you're not real white." When, my ancestors fought to defend, Europe at one point from Islam, you know? And, yeah, I think a lot of Americans confuse, like,↗

1:23:34Speaker 1a lot of Americans confuse Portuguese for Puerto Ricans, so they just can't keep- Yeah, yeah, I've gotten that quite a bit actually. Yeah.↗

1:23:41Speaker 3But, no, I, I was just saying that basically like, to, basically like reidentify like, white, white identity with Europeanness, I feel like it's been, we've-- it's been severed, you know?↗

1:23:54Speaker 1Yeah, no, we're definitely a European heritage association. we value our White American identity, but it's not a White identitarian association, it's a European identitarian association. So we do have cultural nights, so far it's just meals themed in a certain way. we really don't have the facilities for a lot of involved, festivals and things like that, but we do have large events every year and a lot of people from Europe direct And, you know, we should probably start thinking for those events about incorporating more traditional, you know, folk dances and music and things like that. We try to encourage that as it stands, like we always have talent shows where we invite people to, you know, share a bit of culture, but it is difficult to get people, 'cause in the modern day, you know, p-- people don't show up for live performances for amateur musicians very often at all. You know, they listen, they consume their culture online, and it's all kind of hyper packaged and AI enhanced and like flawless. If you're listening to music or watching a dancer, you, you only see the, you know, point zero one top performers and anything. And so when you actually see organic, authentic culture being expressed by people in your own environment, there's sort of a period of adjustment where you do have to adjust your expectations and, and- And just what you're even expecting to get out of the experience, where you're not simply a consumer, but you're a participant. so things like, you know, square dancing, for example, as a, a European form of dance that is participatory.↗

1:25:39Speaker 1We've talked about doing stuff like that, but when you are still kind of working on getting a roof over your head and insulating your buildings and, and the basic stuff, it's, it's hard to immediately incorporate all that, but I do appreciate the suggestion.↗

1:25:55Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm a big fan of your work, man. I, I will keep you in my prayers and everything, and I gotta say, keep leading the charge, and I think that your movement is gonna set a precedent and example for, white survival, white European survival around the world. Thank you for what you do, and God bless you.↗

1:26:15Speaker 3Appreciate it.↗

1:26:19Speaker 5Alright, hey Arvind, we haven't chatted before. Regular in the N space, it's great to have you here. I just joined here as co-host. You don't mind, I don't know what you're doing right before I got in, but you mind if we go to hands or would you like to add anything you might, deem necessary or whatever you'd like? I think that's what we're up to. Keep going hands. Okay, cool. Right on. Alright, I don't know the order, so I'm just gonna go with, yeah, let's, let's go↗

1:26:46Ian Malcolmto, let's go to forty first, and then we'll go down to, to Truthflow.↗

1:26:51Speaker 6Yeah,↗

1:26:51Speaker 5can you hear me right?↗

1:26:53Speaker 6Oh, Lana. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, thanks Ian, Eric, now Lou and, Arbel for, Upper Brown's not right, for coming in here. This has been a great space. I've been following the movement for a while now, and,↗

1:27:13Speaker 6You appreciate your libertarian kind of, influences on it, but I was wondering if you were in the future had any kind of plans for something kind of like a work share kind of a program where you could get some young men and women who maybe aren't in the financial space to necessarily be able to get their own plot of land, but can contribute and maybe help build up the community, and they could, have some kind of, you know, hypothetically like a,↗

1:27:36Speaker 6communal living kind of situation, like campus almost or, something like that, where you could have young men who Maybe already possess skills or also could be, a good training for people to, to kind of get some construction, carpentry, kind of skills and, and help in building up the community, community centers, or even helping with the, you know, building homes in future, Future projects there, I think that might give a good opportunity for some of the younger people or even some just like, you know, single, men and female who, you know, hopefully would, maybe be able to find each other and continue the white race in that matter. But, To give them an opportunity to get involved with the, with the program and contribute to it, and give them kind of, and build a sense of community in that sense of, you know, people really coming together and working towards a common cause. that's just, that'd be something that I'd be interested in, in, you know, and being involved with or into seeing built. So I was just wondering if you had any kind of,↗

1:28:34Speaker 6project or any kind of, going towards that sort of a model in any sense of the way.↗

1:28:42Speaker 1Well, yeah, that's a lot of what I want to accomplish with the school that I would still like to start. Like I said at the beginning, that was sort of where my mind was at a little more than two years ago when this all came together. My intention was to build a campus for a classical philosophy school. Now, I will still build that campus, when- Finances allow, when time allows, and when that's available, then a young person can come in, they can have a work-study program, they can learn practical skills and also get some, you know, foundations of Western Civ at the same time. And then the housing makes sense, the whole kind of business model of who's paying for what and who either profits or loses in the enterprise, that's, that's very clear. That's, you know, me as the entrepreneur starting the school, it's I take on the risk Risk I take on potential profits. I am, I'm not exactly a libertarian, but I believe in market processes over sort of, communistic processes. We've had experiments along those lines. There was one guy who came in with some communistic type priors, and he convinced a lot of the young guys to help him build his cabin, and the idea was that everyone would help everyone else build the cabins, and once he had built his cabin, then all the guys could stay in that cabin for free, and and of course, it fell apart because people respond to incentives, and when they aren't directly accountable for how they spend their time, they tend to use it inefficiently, and when they're given a free ride, they tend to take it. So,↗

1:30:21Speaker 1that whole, situation, it became essentially the frat house, and none of the other cabins actually got built, and the whole thing was, I think a, a large waste of time, by and large. But, you know, I, I do think that workers' housing can be a good thing. Unfortunately, we can't build it into a work program directly because of employment law. So we're getting, I shouldn't say that, we are dealing with the existing housing laws when it comes to discrimination, but when it comes to employment discrimination law, there is very little that we can do. We are essentially relegated to only having companies with six or Fewer employees in Arkansas, federally it's, I think, a dozen, or maybe even fifteen. So Arkansas, for whatever reason, is especially strict when it comes to, discrimination and employment. So the kind of arrangements we have have to be very specific. So a school could operate in that way,↗

1:31:22Speaker 1some kind of workers' housing might be something we can arrange, but someone has to pay to have it built. And when you actually develop a community from scratch and you're not living in these spaces that we've inherited Down the generations, you really see like every little thing that you interact with costs money, from the foundations to the water supply to electric, and, and all that stuff runs down as well. And so you have to build up funds to, to pay for maintenance and upkeep. And the best way that, you know, I've found to deal with those things is to have private property ownership, where individual proprietors or corporations stand to profit Or lose financially based on how they maintain their↗

1:32:11Speaker 6whole enterprise. Yeah, that does, that does make a lot of sense, and I can, I can only imagine all of the, legal hurdles and challenges you guys are coming up against. So it's, it's definitely, it's very impressive what you're doing, man, and it's, you know, it's very inspirational. So I do, definitely applaud you and, and, I'm very interested to see how this movement grows and, looking into possibly becoming a part of it. So thank↗

1:32:34Speaker 1Awesome. Yeah, you can re-uh, apply rather at returntoland dot org. And this Saturday at seven, we're having a international intentional community conference for a bunch of different projects, not just Return to Land. So if you wanna learn about other projects in this space in Europe, in other countries, you can sign up for that at intentionalcommunity dot online. And that, again, is this Saturday, starting at noon Central.↗

1:33:02Speaker 6Awesome, thank you.↗

1:33:04Ian MalcolmYeah, no, and a wonderful question, and, Eric, the, the piece that I find so fascinating, we, we see lots of people online, that, especially when it comes to discussing and trying to bring awareness to, let's say, the, the supremacist system that is, that's, that's creating a lot of what I believe to be the evil in the world, and a lot of people say, "Hey, awareness is a good thing, but what's next? What, what's a, a step that I can actually take to be part of a solution?" And You just discussed, where you're taking these ideas out in a way that can actually bring about real change in the world, and it's, it's just very, very inspiring. and so wonderful question there, forty. Let's go, I think we're gonna go to Truth, Flo, Joe for the next question.↗

1:33:49Speaker 7Hey guys, how are you guys? Thanks again for the space, man. Love the spaces. avid, avid listener, first time speaking on one of your spaces. I just wanna say, I'm really, really pumped up about through this space, kind of just discovered you, so I've been going through your page a little bit and, I, I like what I see and I'm definitely kind of, interested and I'm, I'm willing to kind of help get involved as well too, so that's awesome. And, I don't really have a, a question or anything, I just wanna, you know, thank you guys for, for putting on this space and, you know, sharing the information. The one thing I will say about, about your space, Ian, is↗

1:34:32Speaker 7Spaces because they're very articulate, they're well spoken, it's, it's not just full of a whole bunch of people just swearing and cursing everybody out, i-it's, it's intellectual and it's, it's factual and I love it, so I appreciate everything that you guys are doing. And Abra, keep up the great work, man. I really love the, the movement, man.↗

1:34:55Ian MalcolmCool, thanks, Rich. Appreciate it.↗

1:34:59Ian MalcolmNo, wonderful comments there, Truth. Let's, let's go down to, if I'm not mistaken, it's the Fiordin King, and, then we'll check in with Islam Girard.↗

1:35:08Speaker 8Hey, can you hear me alright?↗

1:35:10Ian MalcolmWe sure can.↗

1:35:12Speaker 8love what you're doing, Arvold. I've been following you for quite a while, so I just wanted to make the case or put it, put it out there, for a deeper- Investigation into contemporary heathenry or, or northern European paganism as a way to kind of, philosophically move forward with, with, with the, the concept as a, as a selling point, I guess.↗

1:35:38Speaker 8i-in heathenry, there's a, a concept called odlism. You may or may not have heard of it. It essentially translates into blood and soil. And its antithesis is- Is, called cosmopolitanism essentially. And when you, when you kind of frame everything you look at from the terms of odalism versus cosmopolitanism, a lot of things become, become clear. I-things like your children leaving home and never speaking to you, thinking that you don't know anything, like, that's just, you know, touching on, you know, one aspect of it. But,↗

1:36:15Speaker 8Ultimately, the, the concept is of, is of the Garth or the island, right? And on the outside is the outsider, the stranger, and the enemy, and then everybody on the inside is, is kind of on the ship, in the ship, and they're rowing, and they're rowing in the same direction. And, and I'm, I'm speaking in metaphor, or is that simile? I can never get those two-↗

1:36:38Speaker 8Anyways, So if you dig deep into our pre-Christian history and, and kind of like spiritual, just the way that our tribal, tribal nature was constructed, and you dig a little deeper, you see that, this was all laid out already. Like, this is Oedelism. What you're doing is pure Oedelism. It is the farmstead with the wall around it and everybody on the outside. has to essentially prove that they aren't the enemy to get inside, and then they get the boon of that. I'll give you another example as far as feminism is concerned and the incredibly↗

1:37:15Speaker 8awful effect it's had on Western civilization. when you are-- when you look at feminism and how it's kind of deconstructed the family, it's destroyed the family, and like the birth rates are dropping. It's- This idea of equality, this idea of, of competing in the marketplace for jobs, the consumerism, all of that stuff,↗

1:37:39Speaker 8in the old way, men and women worked together and they, they essentially, like, if you didn't work together, you starved or winter killed you. And so equality was kind of like a, ju-just working shoulder to shoulder to get shit done. And of course, there were jobs that each of the sexes were, You know, better than the other. And that's all, that's all that needed to be said about that. And the moment cosmopolitanism, the, the, the merchant mentality essentially↗

1:38:11Speaker 8took over, all of a sudden it changed, it, it radically changed the way that we view everything. But what it didn't do is it didn't erase our in-group and out-group instincts. Those are eternal. Those are a feature Not a bug, right? And so it's very easy to get a group of people to ingroup through rhetoric and brainwashing and all these kinds of things, things that are absolutely↗

1:38:37Speaker 8dangerous to them, they have no idea, of course, and then they'll outgroup, things that traditionally would have been healthy and, you know, secured the, the, what is actually beneficial to our people. So, in summation, I say, you know, look deep We're into this, into the ancient heathenry, and you'll see it's all laid out, the, the, the philosophy, every aspect of politics, the, the even coming together in a unified spirituality that glorifies and creates mythology of our people and makes it an ethno-religious experience. I mean, our, our main attackers, our main competitors live in, and I'm, I'm sorry, did you have a specific question that you were trying to get to there?↗

1:39:30Speaker 5Sorry?↗

1:39:31Ian MalcolmI said, "Did you have a specific question that you were trying to arrive at?" I just wanna make sure we have time for other individuals that are trying to ask questions for Eric.↗

1:39:39Speaker 8I didn't know this was questions. I thought we were just talking about the return to the land. So, I guess if I was to frame it in a question, all I'd say is, "Arvoll, have you looked deep into the modern- Modern interpretation of our ancient heathenry in the north.↗

1:39:57Speaker 1I have certainly looked into it, and I'd like to become more familiar with it. I'd like to attend, Asatru events, you know, for example, I have attended some rituals. I am a Christian, but I'm a perennialist Christian, and I recognize all of the pagan influences on-- and this is kind of controversial for Christians, but on the church fathers, on- On, the religion that became Christianity over the centuries.↗

1:40:26Speaker 1and I also think there's a reality to the gods. You know, I don't think they were all just demons sent by Satan to fool people. I think that, you know, divinity manifests itself in many ways, including, the pantheon that many different people recognize and recognize commonality in. You know, your Mercury's is, our Odin or things like that. And, And then there's also spirits. I, I do think there are a multitude of agencies of, you know, actors in this plane and beyond it, that kind of secure our role in this greater whole, that a lot of things are kind of preordained and destined, and we're placed on our land that we're placed on for a reason. There's a sacred obligation to that land and the spirits of that land. So in a lot of ways, I, I do internalize- That ancient pagan,↗

1:41:23Speaker 1worldview. I also think that our sense of morality absolutely is a factor of our relationship to our various lands. You know, we've been a people of yeoman farmers And even the Indo-Europeans who were steppe herders and were a little bit more migratory, they had a kind of franchise model of governance where anyone could, in theory, kind of step into their own in a relationship with a territory that then they cultivated, they add, add value to, rather than extracting value from. In the Near East, you had essentially nomadic people. I mean, Abraham made tents, right? Why were they making tents? Why were they living in- Tense because they were, nomadic pastoralists of another stripe, or they didn't have a real strong agricultural, base. Whole peoples existed in that like ancient,↗

1:42:20Speaker 1hub of civilizations that were essentially merchant peoples. their whole ecologic-- excuse me, ecological niche or function was to arbitrage between goods in different places. Durkheim talks about this in, his theory of, you know, how economic specialization develops. He, he identifies that merchants from different societies, eventually develop a sense of class interest, and that removes them from their own kind of parochial local- Societal concerns, they see that a guild of merchants between societies ends up being a more, rewarding thing, and they can look after their bottom line better by having that kind of allegiance, and then over time, that develops into whole peoples. And I think a lot of, you know, the Arabs and, and the Jews, they have origins in that kind of mercantile nomadic, ecological niche where the values for that, what leads to success in that context, is so radically different than the values- That lead to success in a context where you have stewardship over land, you are connected to the spirits of the land, and you have a sense of, of continuity through time. You're not just a, a wanderer in the world. so I think it's a whole different way of being. And, yeah, I do think about that.↗

1:43:44Ian MalcolmNo, it's so well stated, and it, it really does, I, I'd be curious for your thoughts on this one, Eric, because it, it does feel like we, as I suppose, loosely described, right? Western Christians, in particular, if not just Western white people, if we're gonna get even more generic, but it does feel like there's this,↗

1:44:05Ian Malcolmthis combative force that is essentially the independence, which is a strong-willed individual that wants to live in a high-trust society amongst other people that basically come together to agree, hey, we're going to do our thing. In a way that is both mutually beneficial, but also allows for that individuality and that individual spirit, and we're all going to try and create a better world by essentially allowing perhaps our competing interests to occasionally collide, but oftentimes allow one another the respect to, to basically appreciate those differences, which is very curious because it sounds like I'm advocating for diversity, which in a lot of ways, I suppose I am, because it feels like the alternative to that is the, the, the, the life Style of the wanderer, which seeks to oppress or repress and to essentially enslave or lord over, right? It's the removal of the individuality. And it's so curious because people today in the United States, feel themselves living in the big city, oh, I'm an individual 'cause I've got the blue shirt from this company instead of the green one that that guy wears, right? Where they are all essentially becoming one in the same flavor. They go to the same Starbucks, they stay in the same Marryotts, they work- Work for the same giant companies, right? They are, they're, they're just widgets in this system, and so it feels like what you guys are doing is so radically different because it's a rejection of essentially all of that. It's a return to the thing that I think innately makes perhaps our people what they are, which is this rugged sense of individualism that both exists and it says, "I wanna..."↗

1:45:42Ian Malcolmtorch my own path, but at the same time, I wanna do it in a way with other like-minded people to be respectful of one another and to build that high-trust society that is simultaneously both individualistic while also communistic, to use a naughty term, if, if that makes sense. I'm, I'm curious for your thoughts on that and how you perhaps, think you might fit in either of those.↗

1:46:05Speaker 1Yeah, I do think it's essential to who we are, and more essential to, I guess, Northern Europeans than Southern Europeans, because they've had a longer history of, of civilization generally. You know, the Mediterranean has been farming, All the way into Iberia, as far as like eight thousand years ago, nine thousand years ago, Northern Europe,↗

1:46:28Speaker 1better preserves like the ancestral stock of the European continent going back to the Stone Age. So in that sense, like the, the kind of essence of what it is to be European, there's a different relationship with the land. it's also the case that ancient Near Eastern, peoples used to be more similar to modern Nordic peoples and gradually became more- Mediterranean, with admixture over time. So anyway, make of that what you will, but yeah, they're, we are the ones who go into a space and we operate on intuition. Like think Nikola Tesla, where he didn't have complex equations guiding his process of innovation, invention, he visualized new possibilities and, and realized them. The civilized way of going about it, that like more Mediterranean or Near Eastern, I'm not- Not lumping them in, i-entirely. It's a client, it's a spectrum, you know? But the more thoroughly civilized way of going about it is more materialistic, where you break down, "Here's the mechanism, here's the process, is it repeatable? Is it, you know, an interchangeable part, replaceable part,↗

1:47:41Speaker 1in an abstract system?" The, the older way, like the Stone Age way, I think we're still connected to, and that is like a, a spirit Spiritual connection to land and to technology, that you lose in a civilized context. Now, we, we definitely are group selected, you know, we've not been totally pacific with respect to each other over time. Probably among all societies, we had among the highest incidents of violence, if you include cattle raids, which are endemic across Europe, for the last, well, from like three thousand BC down to the Common Era.↗

1:48:20Speaker 1But, that ultimately created a very strong selection for people with an in-group preference. what happened after that in the Middle Ages was that the one in-group built around the Catholic Church expanded so successfully, this integration of this ancient, I'm gonna say, Near Eastern slash Mediterranean civilized method with the spirit of Northern Europe that preserves that, like, ancient cave Pan wave, of being in the world, that it was so hyper effective, so, like the universities went beyond, any of the classical world's accomplishments in terms of math, engineering, really for the first time in hundreds of years, in the way that the Arabs never quite did, and that scaled, and it became this one huge in-group, and then we kind of forgot how we got there, and we started thinking that that's the default condition, that's just how every- Everyone is, the, the whole world, you know, Christendom is just one big high trust society. But that's because we forged this kind of, you know, beyond the tribal level national identity at the cost of a lot of blood over many thousands of years, and by having a, a very direct sense of connection to the land, that kind of made a people who it was, and that people evolved over time,↗

1:49:51Speaker 1As, as a unit, the way that it developed, expanding into this giant thing, the Catholic Church and, and Christendom, the modern West, it's, it, you know, it's just kind of beyond our ability to process. So I do think we need to remember where we came from, get back to that connection to the land, but also recognize the, the benefits of civilization, 'cause like, we couldn't just be cavemen, that they don't build civilization, but we do have something of our very ancient ancestors in us still. I think that's kind of the source. Plato talks about how when a new thing enters society, the original, the OG is gonna be the best example of it, and then it kinda declines from there. Like Egyptian civilization, right when it appears, in the very beginning, is at its summit, and then it declines gradually from then. And so I think there's something of that, like very archaic European nature that it is why we are the ones who go into a virgin space and we will build civilization with or without some big complex technical apparatus, with or without a bureaucracy mandating it. The Chinese could certainly civilize raw land, they do it all the time, but they do it with a civilizational program. We have a different relationship to our land, a different relationship to each other, and it's a layered identity, so there's really no,↗

1:51:14Speaker 1way to get back to that To a authentic mode of being for Europeans, other than really being inculcated into that whole tradition and becoming aware of that whole tradition, it's like how Karl Jung defines the modern man, which is very rare. Like most people aren't modern men in the Jungian sense. The modern man is the one who has assimilated all of this past achievement of his tradition and then acts from that tradition moving forward. So the problem with us is that we're partisan about different aspects of this tradition Tradition and the different aspects of European identity, and we can't be, because it's all part of our story. And so to be part of that ongoing tradition and to move it to the next level, we really have to embrace the whole, which is the other reason, beyond just being conciliatory, that we incorporate pagan and Christian elements, because we have to understand who we are, know thyself, at a civilizational scale.↗

1:52:16Ian MalcolmYeah, it's so well stated, Eric, and it's, it, it's interesting just because, I, I suppose individuals, that may find that overarching thesis, upsetting or uncomfortable or perhaps offensive, and it's, it's worth noting that it's not as if he was suggesting that there's, a lack of, ability for others to necessarily do so. He's rather just uplifting his perspective on, on individuals that happen to be, in particular, Northern Europeans. and so I, I think it's,↗

1:52:47Ian Malcolmthe irony is you're ultimately personifying that very suggestion, right? Because the project that you are taking on is the embodiment of that idea, and lo and behold, you are building that society, that civilization at a micro level, but nonetheless, each and every day, as you expand out this idea, you expand the individuals that are coming into your community that follow in your footsteps and try to build something from essentially nothing, right? You, you are living proof of that very thesis. So it's a- It's a very curious, reality where you, you are what you believe, and, and you're demonstrating that firsthand every single day. but let's go to, Islam Girard, and then we'll go up to Tungsten, who's got his hand up very politely.↗

1:53:31Speaker 9Hello everyone. Thank you for giving me the mic. I have two genuine questions. The first one, I'm just gonna comment very fast on what Eric and Ian said. It's actually related to my question. So, Eric, Ian mentioned taking out the poison. Now, I, I agree, and also Ian mentioned the education, schooling for future generations. However, like both taking out the poison and what Ian mentioned, basically it's school change, I mean, change we Watt power, we all know that. Now, when it comes to the white race,↗

1:54:04Speaker 9I don't know that, and Sean, Ian mentioned that it is a European organization. Firstly, so your skin color, like, like, what makes a white person white? This is genuine question. Like, is it the picture that is portrayed by, Hollywood, let's say, about what a white man is? Because I mean, if it is only your skin color, that, that is not enough for making real change. Everyone who held power in history knew that. So it's basically you need a certain-- like, let's say a certain set of beliefs, maybe a religion. I mean, look at Europe, like the European heritage when it comes to language, culture, buildings, it really can't be separated from Christianity, for example. same applies, by the way, after tribalism, same, same applies for Arabs, like Arabs, we, we were just tribes fighting each other, nothing else. When Islam came, okay, you have the Arab civil-- the Arab Muslim civilization. When it comes to Arabs after that, after the expansion, basically everyone who speaks, Arabic as an Arab. So this is why you can see White Arabs, Black, African Arabs, or whatever. What? So, I'm really, guys, I, I, I'm really a hundred percent like supporting whatever you're doing. You must be united to make that change. However, like, what is the, what is the ide-ideology, let's say, that,↗

1:55:29Speaker 9that you want to teach your own? because I guess this is the, this is the best way or the best place to start with, which is your own, guys. Yes, you need to be united. You need to do some change. I agree a hundred percent, taking out the poison. How? What is the poison to start with? Is it Zionism? I mean, Zionism, eighty-five percent of Jews are Zionists. So if you're, if you're Zionists, basically, if you're an anti-Zionists, you're basically an anti, antisemite. And this is what Jews themselves were basically propagating, through European and US universities, that, anti, Zionism is the same as, it's basically, anti,↗

1:56:11Speaker 9semitism. so yeah, I would like to hear your thoughts about, the change and what makes why Doesn't, why basically?↗

1:56:23Speaker 1Well, I'll start with identifying the poison. I do think that Zionism and allegiance to foreign interests and this breaking down of a sense of- Our own native concerns and collective wellbeing and, and sense of identity, that's all part of it, and, and Jews are involved, but also I do think, you know, part of it's just the natural course of development of large corporations who do unfortunately have a, a fiduciary interest in mass immigration and breaking down workers' solidarity,↗

1:56:58Speaker 1and all the stuff you hear about from the early twentieth century, all the monopolies, like that's, it's sort of just- Money, money is this corrupting influence, and it takes us away from tradition and our people and our sense of, you know, something larger than ourselves and our own private bottom line and bank accounts.↗

1:57:19Speaker 1I-- but, I mean, it goes beyond that too. It goes into literal poison in terms of what we're consuming, what we're eating, our lifestyle, and, you know, the amount of like- Unwholesome violence and sexual imagery that kids receive as well on TV, and they're exposed indirectly, in public education. And I think that has real roots historically,↗

1:57:45Speaker 1that are anti-Christ, you could say, but also anti-traditional. Jews were involved, but also gentiles. So it's, it's a complex thing, but basically the poison is what works against your traditional identity and the preservation of your traditional- Identity. The first good is to preserve what exists, right? Before you go on to create new things, first you have to continue to exist. and so that first obvious good for,↗

1:58:17Speaker 1white people, for people of European heritage, is to preserve what we are and to go from there. And in many senses, like i- ideology, while it can be more or less objectively true, is downstream At least ideologi- ideologically from biology. You know, we have the ideologies we have because we are beings in the world, living beings, capable of generating that ideology. And if you swap out the biology, the ideology doesn't carry all the weight, you know? And sometimes one people can maintain successfully an ideological framework that can't be maintained by another group of people, because it's not all encapsulated in the theory, because the tradition that we're growing out of is a lot more-- it's wider and more profound than what we can rationally comprehend. What is there in our psyche at a subconscious level driving our behavior, creating mass trends of behavior, is so much larger than what I can write down in a sociological thesis. So if you rely on ideology and rely on theory of morality and theory of anthropology and soteriology that is, you know, within the bounds of some doctrinal creed, you're not going to cover the whole thing. You can be in harmony with that tradition And some creeds recognize that and place an intentional, emphasis and value on heritage like the Catholic Church has and the Orthodox Church has through most of its history.↗

1:59:56Speaker 1I mean, there are egalitarian, equality, and influences↗

2:00:00Speaker 10in church history as well, but, you know, pagan, European beliefs had some kind of regard for the continuity of these peoples as well. So I don't think it's as simple as, you know, picking the right ideology and that's where you're gonna find meaning. No, you are a being in the world that has to continue your existence, preserve your existence in order for the way that you even proceed Leave your ideology that you interface with to be a viable option. If Arabs disappeared, then Islam would be different than what it is now because you, as an Arab practicing Islam, that You know, both components are actually involved, and we want to reduce one half of that away and say that's just a language, that's just a skin color. It's not. Being European, specifically, we're a European heritage association, not a white association. I'm,↗

2:00:54Speaker 11I'm Lithuanian. I'm Lithuanian. In the only country, Lithuania. Lithuania. Yeah, you're white? No, you know the country Lithuania. It's the, you're saying probably the fucking smallest country in Europe, actually. Lithuania. Lithuania,↗

2:01:10Speaker 10yes, yes, Hermes, I think Lithuanian. Anyway, so, yeah, I↗

2:01:16Speaker 11kinda↗

2:01:16Speaker 10thought↗

2:01:17Speaker 11to realize the thought process. So, I was, I was, I was about to discu- Oh my God, I'm so sorry, guys. You know, seriously, I'm so sorry. Let me finish my point here. Yeah, let me just get to the end. Okay, okay,↗

2:01:28Speaker 10but you promised me you'd give me a word after. It's not up to me as the host. Yeah, Phil,↗

2:01:33Speaker 12we got a couple hands. Just put your hand up 'cause we got a couple people ahead of you that've been↗

2:01:36Speaker 10waiting for about, you know, an hour. Yeah, and I'm being long-winded, which is not helping. But I was, I was just gonna say, you know, it's a European heritage. No, Eric, this is your space Descend from, but also as a European continental population, we're descended from step hunter gatherers, the Indo-Europeans. We're descended from Neolithic farmers who came from Anatolia originally around nine thousand BC, and we're descended from the Western hunter gatherers who were indigenous to the, the continent. So that's who we are and the way that we think every day, like that heritage is living with me, informing how- How I solve problems, how I actually get by in the world. I'm not gonna reject that heritage. I also just see it as incredibly risky to do so. All I know is being what I am coming from the heritage that I have. If I had a kid who was totally different from me, didn't have that same heritage, I wouldn't even know what to teach them. I wouldn't know how to tell them how to be a good man because it's not as simple as being a good universal human. No, you have to be a good man in the way that you've actually received your nature From God, and that's via tradition, via heritage.↗

2:02:59Speaker 13Yeah, can I just say one last thing? I'm very happy to hear that. I mean, this is the first time I just jumped into a space where basically you're saying European first, not white, and you're, you're basically relating that to, to the way you, you're living. Yeah. You just mentioned your children, that will be incorporated in everything you do. That's amazing. Keep going, best of luck, guys. I mean, one of the things that this lineage, yes, I'm with that, go for that, that, that is something to preserve the lineage, the your, li- lineage, basically who you are, your basic identity, the God-given identity that no one's supposed to be able to change. And I'm with that. Go back to that, that's amazing. That's a place that you can start from. best of luck, guys. Thank you, thank you, everyone.↗

2:03:44Ian MalcolmYeah, and thank you for the, the wonderful question, the framing of it, and, Eric, thank you for, for the, the answer and the way that you positioned it. I, I, which it actually, it brings me to perhaps a question, that, that I'm spurned on because of the question that he just asked, which is, and, and, feel free to take, whatever time you feel like might be required for this one, and then what we're gonna do is go to, to one of our friends,↗

2:04:13Ian MalcolmRight? And, and where I'm going with that is your view towards other individuals. You're just talking about how you are genetically what you are, so you wouldn't know how to be anything else. I'm curious for your thoughts on the rest of the world following a similar model, and I, I ask the question just because I always advocate that I believe America should be for the Americans, Germany should be for the Germans, and I would say the exact same thing for every African country, every, let's say, Eastern country, right? I, I basically want every nation To have its political leadership and its culture and its society to, to fend for the best interest of its people, and for the people to want the government to do exactly that, right? So that everybody is able to live harmoniously with competing interests, but in a way that respects everyone's borders, cultures, ethnicity, and actually prever-- pre-preserves, sorry, genuine diversity of the planet rather than, like you said before, mixing everybody up. And I'm, I'm just curious for your thoughts on that, and then we'll go down to Kunji.↗

2:05:12Speaker 10Yeah, no, definitely. I think that we can learn a lot about what God wants by looking at what God has done, and, I wouldn't call that necessarily a naturalistic fallacy, 'cause I'm, I'm baking that into the logic from the start. God creates life in such a way that it does naturally diversify. the Neoplatonists, their concept of life was itself the proliferation of forms. So it's the movement from the simpler toward the more complex, and it's, it's not like life is an end in itself, it's one aspect of the phase of being which incorporates not just the, the kind of movement away and into diversity, but also a movement back and recognizing our oneness with apprehension, intellectual apprehension of principles higher than ourselves, and both aspects have to be there for this kind of- Of nationalism for all peoples to be truly universalized, because if you just follow the movement down and you only emphasize plurality and diversity, then you can get to this point of incommensurability where different nations can't really communicate. So at some level, like one of the functions of empire isn't just to, like, consolidate resources for some privileged, ethnic type, like American empire Doesn't just exist to serve the interests of American citizens and all non-American citizens are like, they only exist to serve our material interests, which some groups do have that attitude. But it's, you know, historically, empire also creates certain standards for writing, literacy, certain standards for commerce, standardized weights and measures, and that allows this universal aspect of civilization to thrive At the same time. So the enlightened goods, the scientific goods, philosophical goods that empire can engender,↗

2:07:22Speaker 10have to be balanced with the respect for individual, identities and that kind of movement into plurality, and it's, it's a little bit tough, you know? Because especially in this age, there are so many threats, and like full sovereignty, just allowing everyone have their own territory and do whatever you want, well, if you're gonna be making nuclear weapons, I don't want you doing what you want, 'cause some countries are crazy. Like, some countries are filled with people who are extremely violent, extremely ideologically motivated or racially motivated themselves, and they want to be genocidal. So just allowing everyone to do their own thing, it's like it's not quite as simple as that, which is why I think, you know, what I'm doing is, a respect for diversity in an American way, in a Western way, and it, and that's the legal kind of system that the whole world has really adopted. Like the modern state structure, you know, China, all these East Asian countries, Africa, Liberia, they all use constitutions Institutional models or at least some kind of Western state structure. So that is the implicit kind of imperialistic aspect, and it does have to be authoritatively enforced. so yeah, that's, that's the balance. that's why I don't wanna be an enemy of the current elites, and that's not just Jews, that's Gentile whites as well. I, I do think that there's a, still a faction alive within the Western Intelligence agencies and finance and science, where there is, you know, maybe it's the dying breaths of Faustian civilization, but there's some common spirit that the, the telos of our civilization was to bring this to the world. And I don't say that necessarily in a white supremacist way, but like there has to be Imperium if you want, the, the peace that comes with Imperium. And that's gotta kinda be us, 'cause who else would it be? So it's, you, you sorta have to, you know, emphasize both extremes. And I think the, the way that'll pan out is having the kind of state that maintains stability and projects power in a responsible way and isn't just Totally isolationist, so we want a strong America that projects Western values and a strong Europe that projects Western values and jurisprudence and international law, and then within that, we have this ideologically defined space of nationalism for all peoples. And it, you know, the-- I think it's important to distinguish between these two because the kind of naive nationalism where I'm just going to rebel against the- system and have my own territory, that's intrinsically dangerous to empire, that's intrinsically a threat to elites. They don't want to see that, that's why white nationalists are on the very top of the terrorist watch list, right? But then there's this other kind of nationalism, it's actually the original sense etymologically, Joseph Herder coined the term nationalism, and he was talking in a context of the Austro-Hungarian Empire about the right, the legal right of in- Individual ethnicities in that multicultural empire to have their own way of life fully expressed and their freedom of association respected. So that is the kind of nationalism I think we need, and that is a pro-Western, pro-human rights, kind of nationalism that could fit in, in principle, with the international order. But a lot of people, you know, like I said, Europeans have that animistic element of some like deep primordial forming principle, and we want to create new things, and sometimes that means that we want to create a new vision of what it means to be our own sovereign nation that is-- it's not gonna work with others well. So anyway, I hope that, that distinction was clear. there's a balance to be struck between the top-down and bottom-up elements. Diversity and unity, and I think that pans out in there's a good nationalism that could benefit a lot of people and is actually saleable and actionable, and then there is a bad nationalism that you see rear its head in the replies very often saying, "Oh, this is a waste of time, we just have to pick up our,↗

2:12:02Speaker 10you know,↗

2:12:04Ian Malcolmour right." Yeah, all, all the Fed post commentary, right? No, and, and Eric, what's so interesting about you-- I, I couldn't agree with that more, and it, it's, it's fascinating because, and, and I'm gonna be very curious for some of the other questions up here, and I wanna make sure to get to them, but very quickly, I just wanted to say the thing that I find so interesting about your take is it is based in reason, in very rational thought. You're looking not only to the present and some of the challenges, but also to the past to inform your worldviews. You're obviously very↗

2:12:37Ian MalcolmOn these topics and kind of why you've arrived at the worldview that you have, and it's, it's, it's fascinating just because again, it's not based in anything that's either cartoonishly, let's say, at odds with the system, like what you were just saying with individuals that try to feed posts in the comments, "Oh, we should just take over the Capitol building," and all the other nonsense, right? You're, you're looking at it realistically and saying, "How can I go about productively trying to make the world better, to carve out a little niche that's While advocating for something that can grow, can expand, while sharing your ideas in a very peaceful, highbrow, high fashion idea or, or, or let's say mode, and I, I, I think it's exactly what we need, and, and I say that just because everybody that's out there that is looking up with reverence for what Eric's doing, note the in-intellect behind the endeavor, the passion that's there, and also the way in which he's presenting this to not only us in this space, but also to the, the world at large. I've watched Content that, has been put out by the mainstream that obviously is trying to paint you as something that you're clearly not, as you're presenting here, today in this space. So I'm, I'm just very, I'm very encouraged, very enthused, and, and very humbled that you joined us, here, Eric, because it's, it's exactly what we need to see more of, which is thoughtful, righteous, kind of, let's say, moral approaches to the system. and, and with that, let's go to,↗

2:14:06@warsawerikWell, I'm very, very grateful. I, I'll start with, I don't subscribe to the same view as you, and the reason for that is I, I view culture as the way a group of people efficiently integrate with the geography they find themselves in. So necessarily, if people are moved from one geography to another, their culture will change to efficiently integrate with the geography they find themselves in. So I don't have a great deal of store with culture, I have a great deal of store with values. But my, my, and what I will say is I really appreciate your, your very balanced way of approaching this, and I'll echo what Ian said. Not just with knowledge or intellect, I assume that for anyone who's a leader, but I think something deeper that's more important than any of that is a sense of fairness, and that is often what's missing in any system on the leadership of any system is a sense of fairness. but, but you have that, and that's why, I appreciate your, hey, not just right to do what you're doing, but, but also wish you every success in what you're doing. So maybe it's a necessary reaction to the mess that we find around us. But my, my question, if I may, is,↗

2:15:19@warsawerikwhat are your metrics for success? Because if your metrics are that if we go back to a traditional view and we are suc-- we will demonstrate that that's successful. But in, in your, expression, other groups may do the same. So for example, Chinese, people may in America may coalesce and form a community, and they may be successful, or, let's say that an Indian community may do that within the context of the American sort of geography. If all these different groups do that, and one of those groups shows itself to be demonstrably more successful than others Does that then mean that you have to give up your ideas or tweak your ideas to adopt that from the other culture because they're more successful in that context? So the question is, what are the metrics of success? And if others are more successful than you in doing the same thing, do you then have to jettison the ideas that you have in favor of the ones that, that are more successful?↗

2:16:15Speaker 10It's a good question. I wouldn't say that a traditional view implies that cultures are static. The whole concept of a tradition is a set of cultures that co-evolve and change through time as part of a larger organic process. And even borrowing from totally outside of a particular geographic context, like, you know, the Italians taking pasta from the Chinese, if that's, historically accurate, and stuff like that, like that's part of the natural course of the world. even genetic mixing to some extent is part of the natural course of the world, not nearly as much mixing as you see today, but these traditions aren't totally,↗

2:17:01Speaker 10you know, sealed off from one o- from one another, as, as distinct populations. So as far as the metrics for success, I would say I agree with Aristotle in the purpose of the state being to To, inculcate virtue into the citizen and improve the citizen. So if we have children who are thriving, who are happy, who are exercising, you know, Aristotelian happiness, which is the unimpeded exercise of your proper virtues, if they're self-actualizing, I'll consider that a success. And if meanwhile Chinese people build a, a more, you know, economic Actively active or prosperous version of what we're doing, nearby, I, I don't see how that hurts me necessarily. I would definitely adopt best practices in technical matters, you know, if a, a Chinese person writes a bit of code that would really help us with our website, well, we're gonna vet it and check it very carefully, and then we might implement it. It's not a, you know, there's no reason to be entirely absolutist about this, It's important to recognize these categorical distinctions and emphasize it, because that's how we make meaning out of the world, or else everything is just a wash of individuals and constant competition, and, and then where is the stability of values and all that? So these, you know, white identity, European identity, all of that matters, the European tradition matters, but it doesn't have to be blind to the rest of the world. And in some sense, I do consider, you know, like I said before, our, our spiritual inheritance as- Europeans isn't just Christian or just pagan, or just like secular humanism. All of those do play a role in forming what modern European people are, and so if you wanna understand yourself, you have to understand all those facets. Well, by a similar token, I am a product of, you know, what life on Earth and human life on Earth as a whole Actually expresses, and I, you know, I've studied compared mythology, and I think it's good to understand, a foreign perspective, and sometimes it even helps you to identify and understand elements of your own, civilization to see the other and see who you are through the reflection of the other.↗

2:19:29Speaker 10I mean, metrics for success, I, I don't think we have to be politically dominant to be successful, provided that we have a government that respects our rights. So success is going to look like at least securing our ability to do this on an ongoing basis. I do think fertility is positive and having children is positive. So if we're having a lot of children and those children feel self-actualized, they are happy in life, I don't care if we're the absolute Top of the heap. I suspect though that, that kind, like just trying to live a moral life and self-actualize will coincide with doing better economically and being more politically influential, but I, I would, I would say those aren't the, the metrics for success, those are, a byproduct of the real metric, which I think is living in a better way, in a more wholesome way, holistic way.↗

2:20:26@warsawerikIf I, if I could just come in and chime in with that, I, I agree with you on that. but have you ever come across the Broodenhofa as a, as a group? They s- they seem to have really achieved what, what you're hoping to do in the US and Europe and the UK, but they do it around a Christian paradigm, not necessarily a European one, but they've been very successful,↗

2:20:47@warsaweriki-in both economically, but, but actually more in, more in wholesomeness in living.↗

2:20:54Speaker 10I'm not, super familiar with them. Is there an English translation of their name that might be more commonplace?↗

2:21:02@warsawerikI'll send it to you in a, in a DM, it's Brudnoff, but I'll give you the Wikipedia for them.↗

2:21:07Speaker 10No, yeah, I can't really comment↗

2:21:09Speaker 14on that. Eric, I would just like to add something that I've observed from you, and it's this word that I'm actually, I, I heard you mention it, and I'm not familiar with it, but I'm, I'm sensing and I'm gaining the perspective that, a lot of your, perspective and reasoning is shaped through an ideological lens, and, I, I was unfamiliar with that study or anything, so I, I, I think it's actually interesting and unique to see your perspective and, how you kind of-↗

2:21:39Speaker 14you know, pick and choose from, Western civilization as a whole to form your worldview and not just, you know, you, you're not very black and white. It's a very hybridized way of, and perspective of seeing white European evolution and↗

2:21:52Speaker 10history. Well, I mean, frankly, I just grab everything that I can, from the tradition, and I try to hone in on the more salient bits. So it, it might look like syncretism, but everyone's gonna have a kind of, picking and choosing when it comes to interfacing with their whole tradition 'cause it's so huge. So I hope the, the elements that I'm able to wrap my mind around end up forming some kind of cohesive whole.↗

2:22:21Speaker 12Yeah, let's,↗

2:22:24Ian Malcolmlet's absolutely, Tungsten, and, and thank you for, thank you for asking. I apologize for, for the, the wait for individuals that have been waiting so patiently, and I also just wanna mention we've got maybe about ten more minutes or so with Eric, and then we'll, okay, allow him to say some final words before closing up. And so I just wanna thank everybody, and, and after you, Tungsten, we'll go down to Spruce Hill to make sure he gets a question there.↗

2:22:45Speaker 12hello, Eric.↗

2:22:50Speaker 12And I, I have three parts here, I'll try to be quick and succinct given the time constraints. Number one, do you believe that your worldview of who, quote unquote, we are is in concert with the, 1790 Immigration Naturalization Act?↗

2:23:11Speaker 10I could be wrong, but I think the founding fathers basically overlapped, if not being slightly smaller than our conception of who is a European or white person. we treat white and European is basically synonymous. I, so I don't know precisely who would have counted as a white person. I'm pretty sure the Irish and Italians actually always did count legally as white, but I don't know precisely where the borders are drawn. So↗

2:23:41Speaker 12So you're saying, would it say for the sake conversation, roughly, yes. Seems↗

2:23:45Speaker 10like it.↗

2:23:46Speaker 12Okay, fair enough. Secondly, do you, is it your hope and observation that a restored social contract is being experienced in, return to the land?↗

2:24:03Speaker 10Yeah, I mean, it is a very explicit social contract. I'm against social contract theory anthropologically because it's clearly a fabricated narrative, like there was never this time where we all agreed to set up a, a liberal state. But, we do have the opportunity to live in a more conscious way, with explicit norms that we set for ourselves. And I'm a big Hellenophile, and I see that in the, the Greek colony model, where they set out a charter and use Signed on to it, and you said, "I'm gonna become a Corinthian because I agree with this way of being, still united by a common Hellenic racial identity."↗

2:24:42Speaker 10but yeah.↗

2:24:43Speaker 12So hence the intentional community aspect, yes, there's an element of a social contract kind of defined there. And so is it fair to say, yeah, we signed contracts,↗

2:24:53Speaker 10we signed literal social contracts. Yeah.↗

2:24:56Speaker 12Okay, I just wanted to clarify that for I, I'm pretty sure I understood this, but for those who are listening, then lastly, is, your view on the territorial imperative, and do you, observe that you and yours are within the sphere of operation that you have, have enough to function, and then not only for now, but for the, the next generations, 'cause obviously you've already stated that you're having,↗

2:25:26Speaker 12more children. So I'll, I'll- Landed there and, if you would be so kind as to answer, thank you.↗

2:25:35Speaker 10Yeah, return to the land is absolutely about getting more land, for continuing our people collectively and making that more affordable. So right now, if you join one of these communities, you could probably have access to more land than you could buy by yourself just because of the way they price real estate when you buy large tracts of land Land, it's a, higher quality land typically, and also less expensive per acre. So this kind of collectivizing absolutely, within the realm of what's possible for us without violence, you know, it's the way to maximize our territory, yeah.↗

2:26:18Ian MalcolmYeah, no, really great questions there, Tongson. Thank you for that and, be a little expeditious. Let's go to, Spruce Hill and then, then we'll jump back down to Chevy.↗

2:26:29Speaker 15Hey there, can you hear me alright?↗

2:26:31Ian MalcolmYep, we sure can.↗

2:26:33Speaker 15Cool. I've already kinda written in the comments below what I would think to ask. I don't know what to ask other than phrasing what I've said below as a question. Insofar as All this pontificating is great, but thoughts without actions are kind of worthless. And it's nevertheless great to think about solutions to problems, but,↗

2:26:59Speaker 15it's like the, the problem we're trying to solve is how do you fight the communists who don't think about all the good feelings that they have to feel about being wrong with the world? You know, I, I like to say that the Entrepreneurs and libertines are willing to work to solve the problems that the communists are only willing to cry about being wrong with the world. And,↗

2:27:28Speaker 15I'm thinking some people, I know Curtis likes to say, freedom, liberty, prosperity is kind of the goal of getting on the land, but My ethic of including philanthropy as the answer, because, or the answer to the communist, you know, emotional dilemma.↗

2:27:55Speaker 15I'm trying to say that, I'm trying to ask if, what you think about the liberty, prosperity, philanthropy that I like to espouse, because it kind of makes the whole liberty- the liberty to me is the defining element of the West, as like stemming from Christian Western culture with Jesus being the OG libertine resisting tyranny or a tyrannical empire And we based our culture off that, but we've lost the element of philanthropy being a part of our ethic of why do we want to prosper so that we can solve the problems that we've kind of relegated to government, like as a, as its own big G instead of God being us all or one another. And wonder what you think about that.↗

2:28:47Speaker 10Yeah, I mean, of course we're pro philanthropy, but I think the way to cultivate philanthropy is cultivating philia between Fellow citizens, and that means solving actual problems together on a daily basis, and that common context, and in some sense, a common enemy or environment that you're responding to, that helps you to actually feel those positive sentiments that then manifest in Care for the whole rather than for a part, and I think it's also important to avoid some of the dangers of modern philanthropy and what could be called pathological altruism, where we want to help our outgroup instead of ourselves,↗

2:29:34Speaker 10which doesn't make sense for a number of reasons. Like if you don't look out for yourselves, then no one else is gonna look out for them, whereas other groups will look after their own. you know, you gotta care for your kids first, not because your kids are necessary Necessarily better or more important objectively, but because if you don't take care of your kids, no one else is going to. So we have to internalize that we have an obligation to our own first because no one else will take care of them.↗

2:30:01Speaker 10and that's like the ideological point we can agree on, but the practical point is living in community with others where you get to exercise that sense of filial, and then the kind of care that you can offer will be tailored to concrete solutions and situations and concrete individuals, it's not some abstract thing where you give a certain amount, you tithe, you know, ten percent to the church and they take care of the philanthropy. No, instead you have that sense of love for your fellow citizen,↗

2:30:36Speaker 10in that in-group, and it's for the benefit of the whole.↗

2:30:42Ian MalcolmThat's so well stated, Eric, and, and, and it's especially relevant, I feel like, in this world that we live in today, where if you're not prioritizing your children, well, then we know who will, which is basically the government and the media that's gonna take over the minds and do the educating that the parents should be doing, right? And, and so it's, it's-- the onus is then on us to prioritize those things that are most critical, and of course, the minds and the futures of those children, should be obviously at the top of And, and then we're gonna go down to Chewy for a final question, about that idea of, of the kids that are in this program, I sincerely believe that if given the love, given the autonomy to be able to go out, to learn some of these skills themselves, whether it's constructing, building, developing their community, in addition to, reading some of the wonderful, wonderful philosophers that you've mentioned on this space, I, I can't imagine any of them coming out of that system and being less capable to intellectually think through complex problems Problems and, and perhaps to build really well thought out solutions than an individual that is stuck behind a YouTube screen, a video game screen, a screen at a school that is just feeding them the slop and the lies and all the other nonsense of modernity, and, and so just couldn't agree with you more on that one. But, let's go to that final question from Chevy Malibu, and then we'll, we'll get some closing remarks here from Eric before letting everybody go on their way.↗

2:32:07Speaker 16hello, good evening, everyone. So I'm South African, I was just wondering what you think of communities like Orania, and do you communicate with them? What can we learn from them and/or other communities, like for example, the Amish? Thank you↗

2:32:25Speaker 10Yeah, I visited Aronia last January and, learned an awful lot. So I, I think they have everything to teach. I think on this path of intentional communities to preserve our people, Aronia is clearly, like, there is no competitor for them being the, exemplary instance of someone actually doing that. And very intelligent people, very, very farsighted, you know, they saw it coming before apartheid collapsed, they negotiated for it. And so we have to emulate that kind of far-seeing, nature that they exemplified and negotiate for ourselves while we still have a majority, the, the firm right to have our own communities, because al-although we might want the whole country or our own Volkstat, you know, it's not absolutely guaranteed. And politics, is the art of the possible, not the ideal. that's another art that deals with the ideal. For science, I guess. So,↗

2:33:26Speaker 10I have only good things to say about the Iranians. Eustreithum will be speaking at our intentional community conference this Saturday, right at the beginning, because obviously the time zone difference is extreme. But, yeah, I mean, I, I don't know what else to say about them other than, they solved these problems decades ahead of the rest of us, and, you know, and they still have social problems to learn from, too. It's like there's not- Absolute harmony, a lot of the issues have to do with economic tensions, and really the reason South Africa took the turn that it did had a lot to do with economic incentives and the availability of cheap black labor, and that alienated, the white South Africans to some extent from, you know, the natural state that we have known as yeoman farmers being responsible for our own homesteads and participating in, in a kind of,↗

2:34:21Speaker 10Democracy type, arrangement where every, you know, land owning man has a voice in government, well, when you have cheap black labor and these huge corporations and a huge, Gini coefficient, then, then, you know, giving up that respect for each other and regard for each other, can just manifest in your whole group losing out. If you betray the nature of your group and what it is, you can lose the whole thing. So the Iranians have their policy of own work They have their own land, and they're, they're connected then to the spirit of the ancestors, even though they're Christians, they're not pagans, but still they're, they're very much, European in their way of being and, the way they've tried to solve their problems. So the Amish, I have definitely had some dealings with, you know, as an American, and I, I like a lot of the way they organize. I think, they're a good example of a culture just in a↗

2:35:19Speaker 10Very firm way, sticking to what it believes, regardless of what happens on the outside, and, you know, lo and behold, it's been extremely economically efficient for them. You might think that being, you know, handicapped by 19th century technology would make them less competitive, somehow they're more competitive, and they have a higher work ethic, and everyone knows in America in rural areas, if you're gonna buy furni-furniture, get the Amish furn-furniture because it will actually last generations, unlike anything you can find at Walmart or IKEA or something like that. So Yeah, two examples to look to for sure, but especially Irania, given its kind of ideological character. Although it's important to note also that not every detail of how they organized and how they're currently organized will smoothly transition to our context. The law is mostly the same across Western states, you know, like, was mentioned between Canada and the US, certain aspects of trusts, will essentially be the same, and so we can benefit each other internationally. But there will be some things that are particular to the Irania situation, which, I mean, they'll admit, probably couldn't be replicated today. It was because they negotiated for it when they did, and because it's a cultural institution, it can't be a racial institution, and the way even they talk about someone applying to become a member, like in our case, operating as a private association and not a municipality, the way that we can solicit and accept members, legally speaking, is different than the way that Irania does. And so for a while, I was trying to emulate one of Yusef's tactics in dealing with the media and answering questions, and then I realized, like, okay, actually, because of our laws, I shouldn't Be answering exactly the opposite of what I have been. I'm not gonna say specifically what it was, but, but yeah, so we have to understand the differences, but also learn as much as we can because they're the example. And if you can make a trip out there, I mean, the food is great, the people are really friendly. Like the, the Afrikaner are beautiful people. I think other, like the Dutch are one of the most beautiful people in Europe. I'm not Dutch, too. That's not like a, a personal thing. I'm Norwegian, English↗

2:37:33Speaker 10On average, Norwegians are more attractive, and then, the Dutch are like the most beautiful people in Europe. The Afrikaansers are like even more beautiful than the Dutch, so I have a lot of respect for them as a people and their accomplishments.↗

2:37:47Ian MalcolmNo, it's so well stated there, and, and, and Eric, it's, it's a, a really wonderful note to perhaps round this whole thing out on, because it is, it's again, expressing a love and infatuation for all of the peoples that are out there in the world for different reasons, and, and, and being able to recognize that obviously the, the world, I, and I, I sincerely believe this, the world is a beautiful place because it is diverse in the sense that there's different cultures, different communities, and those people take both different↗

2:38:16Ian MalcolmPerhaps intellectual and maybe even spiritual, representations or manifestations. And, we can disagree, and, and I think Kungji came up and I was so, so glad and humbled that he did, and kind of shared a different take. And the thing that is so beautiful about this conversation is even with those differences, speaking of diversity, we're able to respect one another. And I think this ultimately is what your movement is about, it's, it's what your endeavor is. It's a physical manifestation of merely wanting to be able to respect that, hey, you You've got a different path that you're trying to carve, and some of the backlash that you've got has basically been saying, "You're not allowed to be different. You're not allowed to be diverse. You have to fit in to the status quo. You have to play by the rules the way that we see it, the, the big machine. So get back in the city, get back in the box, and, and get your mind back, into Netflix rather than some of the philosophers, that you were mentioning. And, and just the, the depth with which It's very encouraging, and I, I really hope that, that a lot of people that were in here listening, they walk away either excited and enthused to learn from you and to continue to figure out how they can help to further perhaps, this mission if they see eye to eye with it. And for any, anybody that, that came in perhaps thinking that this was going to be, offensive or abrasive because it's a difference of opinion in terms of maybe preferences, well then I hope you recognize that it's coming from a place not of animus towards anybody, but of love↗

2:39:46Ian Malcolmmerely to protect it. And it's, it's very strange that in this day and age, that's somehow seen as an aggression, right? It seems to me like you're trying to say, "I want to build a wall around my, my moat, and I want my people to be able to live within it in, in a fashion that we all agree is mutually beneficial for the families that are here, for the women that are here, the children that are here. It's not taking any kind of bigotry or hatred or enslavement of anybody. It's just a love for traditional values So, I'm just, Eric, I've, I've been following your, your work, your project for a long time. I'm, I'm just so thankful and grateful that you came in here. I know a lot of people in here listening, would certainly echo those sentiments. And so with that, I just wanna go, to you for any final parting words that you might have for the audience, and, and then we'll kind of, go to recess for the, the classroom here.↗

2:40:36Speaker 10Well, thank you, Ian. You're a very good facilitator. This discussion has been very cordial. I've been in far more, raucous spaces, and you did a really good job moderating. And also the caliber of people that came up to ask questions, I was impressed with. I think you're cultivating a, a very positive space. And yeah, it's good to hear that reinforcement that you also believe,↗

2:40:59Speaker 10allowing diversity is part and parcel of building a, a better world, which, you know, you'd think the left would be the Champions of Diversity. In actual fact, though, it, it tends to be, you know, the opposite in, in some cases. So, yeah, I mean, if you're interested in Return to the Land, returntoland dot org, the application process is fairly simple. You, fill out a questionnaire and then go through a, a phone interview. there is some vetting involved in that if you actually wanna move into a community, you know, you have to pa-pass a background check, and that's for everyone's safety. But, yeah, I We're interested in the intentional, community movement more broadly. We are having this intentional community conference. You can, get a ticket to that at intentionalcommunity dot live, and we're having people from Iran, I speak, various movements in Europe, which is really encouraging. When I kind of put the word out there looking for speakers, there are people from France, from Sweden, from Germany, from, all sorts of countries you wouldn't necessarily even expect where it'd be possible, but we're finding ways, we're finding new-↗

2:42:05Speaker 10You know, legal techniques to organize, lawfully, and the more we do it in one country, also, the better our case in others. You know, these things have redounding effects. People say, "Oh, you're just running off to the woods, you're isolating," but it is, so far, it's been one of the most powerful social movements in the country because people saw that we were living up to our values, and that, that rebounded, that, that echoed through the country, and millions of people heard about it, and thousands of- Of people were inspired to take further action and either join our association or get more involved in direct on-the-ground community building in their own area. And I, I just invite people to consider the possibilities if we all took this seriously, providing a future for our children. You know, we talk a lot about, the wellbeing of our race, but that is your children. If you don't care about, the future of your people and what that is going to look like, then you're not really appropriately caring for you and yours And your posterity, and we have the opportunity to do that lawfully within our rights, and even to thrive economically because of it, because we come together, because we get better deals on land ownership, because we get, you know, people to cooperate with on businesses, and that's happening too. We are acquiring businesses, we're creating employment opportunities,↗

2:43:29Speaker 10and, you know, it takes organization, it takes initiative. So I encourage new projects, give it a try if you have- I have a very particular vision, but also, like, I visited Irania, I would go and try to learn from the elders in our own movement on how to possibly go about this, consider joining Return to the Land, checking us out and learning, you know, how we actually managed to do what we have so far. We'd like to do a lot more, but you gotta start somewhere, and I, again, encourage everyone to consider how you can get started in your own, backyard. So Yeah, Narek, just↗

2:44:02Ian Malcolmas a, a final little question there for anybody that's interested in supporting your project directly, whether it's attending those events, or perhaps doing any kind of contributions to your project, which maybe they can't do physically but might wanna support either monetarily or, or in any other capacity, is there anything that, that the listeners could do to help you with the endeavors that you're taking on?↗

2:44:24Speaker 10Well, sure. Like I said, we are being sued. so we do have a give and go for our legal fund. Right now, it's gonna be used primarily defensively to litigate, and then, in, in the future and in the past, it's been more about legal research, which is also one of our chief functions, and, it's been pretty interesting, you know, learning these intricacies, and we have lawyers in the association, so it's a good body of knowledge on a pretty niche subject that there aren't exactly ready-made experts You can't go and find a lawyer specializing in, cultural intentional communities or something like that. So if you wanna, you know, contribute to that, that's gonna have very far-reaching consequences, and you can find the donation link at, at our website, returntoland dot org, I think there's a donation tab in the upper right. But, but yeah, I appreciate the, the platform to talk about what I really care about. I appreciate the, the candor and respect. From all the, questioners and speakers. And yeah, thanks again for listening.↗

2:45:25Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, Eric, and, and thank you for, for being here, for being in attendance. And, we'll have to, we'll have to do a follow-up space at some point, maybe mid this year, see how things are going with that project and how you're coming along. And, I think given the, the breadth of knowledge that you have, especially on the philosophical side, we'll have to see if we could get maybe David Nijay in here with On the intent, the, the, the reason why, not only that you're building this, but also your kind of north star, right, why you're getting up every single day, and, would love to explore the past and the present and that future that you guys are gonna go down, with him and with everybody else listening. And so with that, Eric, I just wanna, again, I wanna thank you. I wanna thank Mr. Eric Warsaw for being up here with us as a co-host this entire time, as well as Mr. Lou Rage, and I know↗

2:46:20Ian Malcolmfor that, support of the organization, you can find that on, on Eric's page. certainly feel free to check that out, make sure to give him a follow, follow along, as we go forward with some of that wonderful work that he's doing, and make sure you turn into that digital summit that they're gonna be having, a wonderful opportunity to learn more about how you can get directly involved with this program. So I just wanna thank everybody, I wanna thank all those that came up, all those that asked questions. Eric, a big special↗

2:46:50Ian MalcolmProject for, for the beautiful thoughts that you shared with everybody, and, and thank you to everyone that was out there listening. So as always, I just wanna wish everybody a good morning, a good evening, a good afternoon. Certainly, God bless to all of you for everything that you are, and Godspeed on this mission, including the one that Eric is taking on, bringing to life a real rendition of a lot of the ideology that we hear of in spaces, and that a lot of people seem to have a big desire to try and figure out how they can support, how they can Well, he is doing it, and so as a torchbearer for all of us, just a lot of love for him, for everybody else that's putting in the hard work, both intellectually and physically on that project. And until the next time, I look forward to everybody, when we will see you there. I hope that you have a wonderful time in the interim, and Eric, lots and lots of thoughts and prayers for you and for everybody in that community. So God bless, Godspeed, everybody, and we'll see you all in the next space.↗