Held here entire — 134 passages across 22 chapters and 7 named voices, set down from the first word to the last.
- 0:00Christian Zionism's Detrimental ImpactThe host introduces the topic of Christian Zionism and its weaponization against Americans, linking it to political manipulation and megachurches.
- 3:10Dispensationalism and Zionist IdeologyBanned Pastor explains how dispensationalism, though not universally understood, fuels Zionist doctrine among evangelicals.
- 7:00Youth vs. Boomers on ZionismRabbi Mallius discusses the generational divide on supporting Israel, noting the younger generation's growing skepticism towards mainstream narratives.
- 10:12Jews and Antichrist ReligionBanned Pastor asserts that Judaism is an Antichrist religion, leading its followers to destruction and influencing political figures.
- 15:00Israel's Broken CovenantBanned Pastor uses biblical analogies to argue that Israel broke its covenant with God, losing its claim to the promised land.
- 20:00Rejecting Antichrist InfluencersBanned Pastor urges Christians to reject Zionist influencers and those who deny Christ's divinity, citing biblical warnings against partaking in evil deeds.
- 23:20Judaism, Sodomy, and HollywoodBanned Pastor connects Judaism, sodomy, and Hollywood, suggesting a reprobate ideology that influences government and society.
- 28:20Christianity vs. Other ReligionsBanned Pastor contrasts Christianity with Islam and other religions, emphasizing salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
- 33:20End Times Prophecy and TechnologyBanned Pastor discusses his premillennial eschatology, highlighting how modern technology sets the stage for biblical end-times prophecies.
- 40:00Anti-Israel Conference DetailsBanned Pastor announces his upcoming anti-Israel conference, detailing speakers, dates, and the event's purpose.
- 45:00Persecution and CensorshipBanned Pastor shares his experiences with censorship, debanking, and harassment due to his controversial views.
- 48:20Biblical Prophecies and IsraelYitz challenges Banned Pastor on biblical prophecies concerning Israel's return and the Dead Sea, arguing for their modern-day fulfillment.
- 53:20Dispensationalism's OriginsDoc Holliday and Banned Pastor discuss the historical origins of dispensationalism, attributing its popularization to C.I. Scofield.
- 58:20Christian Conduct and EnemiesBanned Pastor explains how Christians should navigate personal enemies versus enemies of God, advocating for defense against the latter.
- 1:01:40Judaizers and False DoctrineBanned Pastor describes Judaizers as those who pervert the Gospel by adding works to salvation, drawing parallels to modern Christian Zionism.
- 1:06:40Christian Zionism as Brain VirusAndy and others discuss Christian Zionism as a dangerous 'brain virus' that misleads Christians and fuels harmful political agendas.
- 1:11:40Muhammad and Islamic TheologyA discussion ensues about Muhammad's age at marriage and the nature of Islam, with differing views on its compatibility with Christianity.
- 1:21:40Dispensationalism as HeresyHoney Badger defines dispensationalism as a heresy that teaches multiple paths to salvation, contrasting it with the Catholic Church's singular path through Christ.
- 1:26:40Jesuit Influence on DispensationalismMark discusses the historical influence of Jesuit counter-reformation on dispensationalism, shifting the Antichrist's identity to the future.
- 1:30:00Disagreement vs. AnimosityMcMercy emphasizes that disagreement on fundamental beliefs should not lead to animosity, advocating for respectful discussion of ideas.
- 1:33:20Epstein Files and PropagandaJoe discusses the impact of the Epstein files on public trust and propaganda, suggesting it disrupted efforts to rally support for war with Iran.
- 1:40:00Petrodollar and US PowerJoe and Ian discuss the petrodollar's role in US economic power and the potential consequences if its dominance wanes.
The Transcript
Speaker 1Here, I think it's, it's very conducive that the, the bigger picture is, is painted. the people of the faith that are, that are Christian, and the scripture, from the Muslim standpoint is very clear. there is a lot of proximity between the two, two religions. and, w-we can talk about the differences and the differences, there is a word in, in Islam that results into nifak, nifak means exactly what, what happens when- When you put your hands in my throat and I put my hand in your throat based on the scriptures and based on certain details, nothing that- No, that's not the
Speaker 2falq. No, that's not the falq. The falq means you say something when you believe something else. Now, this is a word, it has a meaning, it's Arabic, it means you say something when you believe something, you pretend to be something else. That's the falq. No, no,
Speaker 1make, make mercy. I think you, you didn't hear, maybe it's because it's
Speaker 2Discussion doesn't result in that. Nefok is something you have in your heart, it's a behavior, it's pretending to be something else in order to infiltrate you. You know, you put your beard on in a religious society to show I'm one of you, when in fact you don't believe in that. That's nefok. That's lying about your intentions.
Speaker 1likely, but I think there is broader picture that results in-- No, not likely. Definitely. Well, maybe we can take it off, McMercy, and, and then we-- Do you speak Arabic?
Speaker 2Yes, not definitely. My, my first language is Farsi. I understand Arabic written form.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2I know the wording, I know etymology. So, yeah. And in fact, you know, it has been repeated in Quran. It is one of those concepts that is studied extensively by Shi'as. What it is, what it means, what it leads to, and it's worse than being a kafir, as you know.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's his moniker. That's worse, Rice. That's Monafek. That's, that's a different, okay. Yeah, the same word. I would love to take Monafek. Yeah, yeah, I would love to take the bait and get into the detail, but I think, for, for the space, no, if you don't get into the detail that
Speaker 2proves you're wrong in the whole point, then you should move on the point. You know, you move, move on the point. So
Speaker 1just move on to another, because this is wrong. so the point here is that the commonality is a lot more, and I think if we approach it from an appreciative inquiry stan-standpoint, I think we will get somewhere. But if we approach it from the point of view of finding fault, believe me, if I open up the book, I will find a thousand, and then you wouldn't like that as well. So I don't think that's the approach that I am trying to propose. No, I'm saying moving
Speaker 2past the points to be friends, that's a mistake. No, let's talk about this. Maybe I'm Did you
@joann_mariejust talk about- Hold on, hold on, Patrick. We have a lot of hands, and I don't even like, I have no idea what you guys are going on about, so, just land it in thirty seconds and, and we can go to the hands, okay?
Speaker 1I'm done. I'm gonna repeat it for just because of the purpose and the opportunity I've given to me. There's more to be appreciative of a commonality than the differences, and let's celebrate that. Thank you.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much. Patrick, go for it.
@patrickhus66383Hey, Joanne, how's it going? yeah, I forget, the pastor there, whatever he was, he, whatever he goes by, he had said something, I forget what his exact point was, but probably for like five spaces, I've been, I've been wanting to get this out, but, it's usually when Yitz was talking, 'cause he, he, he quoted something from the From the Old Testament where, where he said, "Um, the son shall not pay for the sins of his father," and I just, I wanted to point out that
@patrickhus66383I think that, you know, there's probably fifty points of contention I could, I could point out where the, the Old Testament isn't contradiction with the New Testament, and, Jesus even says, you know, to this very day Or maybe it's Paul, who says to this very day, a veil lies over your eyes when you read the Old Testament, and can only be taken away through Christ. So, so they weren't, they weren't seeing God clearly back then, even to the point where they will take,
@patrickhus66383you know, every word of the Old Testament, you know, as, you know, well as scripture, and, and, You know, say that it's true. And, like for instance, in, sorry, I'm running out. In, First Chronicles, you know, it says that, First Chronicles twenty-one, it says that, sorry, I'll be trying to get this out of here.
@patrickhus66383it says that then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to sin, and moved David to number the people of Israel. And, that was a sin. And, and it says so, you know, God gave- David three options for penalties of what he could choose, and, David chose, he, he said, "I have sinned, you know, give me, you know, please forgive me." And it says, "You know, seventy thousand men of Israel fell." But then if you go back and everybody, you know, scholars all agree that this is the same, same incident, you go to 2 Samuel 24, it says
@patrickhus66383then the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David to against them, saying, "Go make a census." So in one instance it says that Satan moved David to sin, and then the other one it says God moved David to sin to number the people, and in both cases, seventy thousand, you know, of David's men fell, which has-- there's all kinds of problems just in that. I, I won't get into all of it right here, 'cause it'd take, you know, too long, but all throughout the Old Testament There's contradictions and, and you can't, my, my point is, is that you can't see God clearly just reading the Old Testament. You have to look at it with the, with the New Testament and like Jesus said, when they asked, they said, "Show us the Father." Jesus said, "If you've seen me, why do you ask to see the Father? If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." So, so Jesus is the exact image of the Father. So, my point is, if, if you see things in the Old Testament that Jesus wouldn't do, then the chances are you're probably looking at Satan.
@patrickhus66383That's it. Thanks.
@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much, Patrick. All right, Doc, go for it.
@__confederate__Okay, it's been a while. Ian, all due respect to you as a host, it's interesting that many people here or some who claim to be Christian, whenever some, whenever some people come up and attack the Christian faith, they remain mute, but they come out and they say that they're Christian, but they never ever defend the Christian faith. I don't know what's wrong with these people, they must have the spirit of Antichrist within them. Anyway, insane that, Ian.
@__confederate__I'd like to thank you for having that band pass to run the space. It would have been great if the space stayed focused on the topic of dispensationalism, 'cause that is a very real virus that has sadly infected much of, you know, Western Christianity, or you wanna say American, you know, American-based Christianity, 'cause the evangelical movement is strongest there, and they are leading, you know, these dispensationalists They are wolves in sheep's clothing, leading many, many, you know, sincere and good-hearted Christians down the wrong path with their fake teaching and their fake interpretation and twisting of the Holy Bible. I hope in the future, Ian, that maybe get Ben Pastor back, we can stay focused on that dispensationalism. That's why I asked him, with the first time I spoke, you know, what does he see as being the mother of dispensationalism? 'Cause I really wanted to focus on that topic. And I'll just finish here, Ian, because, you know, the space got hijacked or went into, you know, a discussion about other religions and their traditions and their understanding what's an authentic hadith, what's a weak hadith, who accepts it's Sunni, Shia, it's got nothing to do with me, I don't follow that religion, you know, whoever follows it, that's an internal discussion for them to have. But I'd just like to make this clear
@__confederate__The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible is not the same person as the Isa in the Quran. I don't care how you try and twist it, how someone says it, or what they claim they, they are two totally different books that have two totally different understandings of the nature of God, the essence of God, the personhood of God, you know? The Holy Trinity or that God is Monad, just as in one person. So I don't know why people keep forcing this or they keep trying to push something that is totally irreconcilable. I'm not saying that Muslim people don't have their belief in God, they have it, they have their faith, good luck to them, best wishes, but The Christian faith and the Islamic faith are two fundamentally opposite faiths in the belief of God, in who the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is, et cetera, et cetera. So, there's no point trying to conflate the two They have their religion, we that are Christians, Trinitarian Christians, 'cause I damn all the heretics, the Unitarian dogs, and all the other ones to the deepest pits of hell, because they are the enemies of Christ and the enemies of the Gospels. So if someone wants to come up and say that it's a ver-- that they're very similar faiths, they're not. And I think that's what that band pastor, he should have just focused and said on that, but there's no need to talk about Other religions, if you wanna have an open space and a discussion on the nature of God, we can do that in a civil and open way. But to try and say that they're both the same or very, very similar, that is fundamentally wrong. Anyway, I'll stop there. There's other hands. Thank you very much, Ian. Thank you, Honey Badger. Take care. Christ has risen. Thank you.
@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much, Doc. Andy, go for it.
@froemelandyYeah, exactly. I do feel like we got sidetracked a bit from the dispensationalism topic, and but I mean, I do feel like we do have to have these difficult conversations regardless, because like we can't, can't, as Truth said, we can't bury our head in the sand on this. I'm not gonna go debate like into theologies. I'm not an expert on
@froemelandyeverything here, but yeah, what Doc said is Important, like if this is wasn't a space to debate the difference, compare and contrast every religion, but yeah, this-- I just wanted to say that this was a great space and It would, would have been nice to stay more on dispensationalism, but I do think we had some important conversations, and everyone did make a lot of good points, and we had some, I think, important debates here, and a lot, I think it was very helpful for, to have these discussions. And yeah, we do have to combat Zionism and the dispensationalism ideology.
Ian MalcolmNo, well stated, and let's, let's go to Honey Badger, and then we'll check in with McMurtry, and we'll keep this open until Mr. Truth Tower opens his, Iran space.
Speaker 3Hello Joanne and Ian, how are you guys doing today? Oh, it's been a little,
Ian Malcolmit was very peaceful and then it got a little, a little wild with, with Yitz and then we got back to peaceful and then it got very wild with some Christian versus Muslim theological debates. so such is life.
Speaker 3I get
Ian Malcolmit. You get spicy. It was a little bit of spice.
Speaker 3Well, I mean, we shouldn't shy away from these spicy conversations at the same time because I think that what typically happens in your spaces, Ian, is that people are brought up and given a chance to, to, to speak And sometimes there's a rub, you know? so for example, you know, can we talk about dispensationalism or is that kind of, they haven't moved on from that topic? Oh, no, no, go, go, go, that's the whole point of
Ian Malcolmthe, the, the conversation.
Speaker 3Oh, okay. So, point being, I, I would like to say this first and foremost, for every Jew that hates a Muslim and every Muslim that hates a Jew, there's a Catholic that's praying for both of you. And I think that, so, but taking a step forward, dispensationalism, and, and I'm not here-- like, I'm only here to inform, I'm not here to convince, y-you know? So just take the information for what it's worth. So, the theory, like, for anybody that just came into the space, let me explain what dispensationalism actually is. It's the belief that there are many paths to salvation. So in other words, you don't have to believe in Christ. You don't have to, you can be Muslim, you can be Jew, but regardless, you know, there, there are many paths to Jesus, to, to salvation. So that's what dispensationalism teaches. Now, that's not what the Catholic Church teaches. Dispensationalism is heresy. There is one way to get to heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, who died on the cross for all of our sins. He is the Son of God. He is the Messiah. So this is the only way towards salvation. Now,
Speaker 3so what happened? And I think it was, I- Gosh, I want to-- Well, I think, I, I don't know, and please forgive me, I don't know when that trope began. I do believe there was a certain point where, for lack of a better way of saying it, Christianity tried to sort of make friends with, with, you know, other, you know, other religions, and I, I do believe that it, it came with I think that that came on the back of Luther, and forgive me if, if, if I'm, you know, if, if I'm not, nailing it precisely, but,
Speaker 3Very, very clearly stated, always, you know, even through Vatican II, which is, which is a little bit confusing for people because it kinda toes the line almost to dispensationalism, but it never crosses it. It's very clearly stated in Nostra Aetate that, the only path to salvation is Jesus Christ. So in other words, you know, other, other faiths can look at- You know, can look at the Lord, can experience His, can, can experience God and, and, and like work toward understanding the Creator, but they just don't quite get there. And so we embrace and we love and, you know, we care about everybody that's trying to get to the Lord, but you're just not there. That, that's basically what I was gonna tell you. So moving forward
Speaker 3Sir, I'm sorry to interrupt you while I was talking. It's really hard to keep all of this deep theology, you know, straight in my head while you get interrupted. So point being That dispensationalism is, is, is literally, it's kind of the trope of, Judeo-Christianity. I, I think that that's what, like, I think that, like, we're living in the crescendo of that, right? Because, you know, at this time, you know, a lot of, a lot of people have finally come to realize that as Christians, they thought that they were supposed to side on, side with Israel no matter what. And it just recently got more examined, so we had to really kind of put a magnifying glass on what, you know, the church actually-- or like, on what Christianity actually teaches. And by the way, it's not just Christianity that's, anti-Zionist. It's not just, you know, it, it's, it's not just,
Speaker 3I'm sorry, it's not just Catholicism that, you know, teaches anti-Zionism. As a matter of fact, Greek Orthodox is very clear about this, as are several different, several different Protestant religions. No Christian that is devout will tell you that there's any path But that of Jesus Christ. So dispensationalism makes accommodations, right? So, oh, no, no, it's just the privileged path, you know, through Jesus Christ. That, that's not true. That's just not true. And so that being said,
Speaker 3if the, the only-- So the, the only thing that differentiates the two is like, we want to love you into the fullness of faith of Jesus Christ. I'm gonna take it one step forward. I do see Muslims, you know, devout Muslims trying to reach an olive branch back. Like, in, in other words, they don't believe that Jesus is burning in hell and excrement, they, they don't believe that Mary was a whore. They actually venerate the Blessed Mother and believe that Jesus was a prophet. That's something that a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 3And so- To love a person into the fullness of the faith, certainly you have to find common ground. You know, you have to find their humanity and not otherize them, you know, in, in, in, in their faith, but you're, you need to love a person into the fullness of the redemption of Jesus Christ. All I can say is this, and again, the only path is through Jesus Christ, but I do see, and I have seen, you know, even in my own life prior to ever being in spaces Muslims really trying to embr- like Muslims really do actually have a certain reverence in many ways to Jesus Christ.
@joann_marieThank you so much, honey badger. I don't know if you can get your microphone so it comes. Okay, I'm, I'm just gonna, okay, I'm gonna mute him. Like, your microphone sucks. I, I, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3it's like a CB radio. He sounds like a trucker. Yeah,
@joann_mariemaybe he's, he's not even actually pressing it. I think, I think it's maybe like, fat finger or like bot dial, I don't know. Mark, go for it.
@markofmelb1974Yeah, thanks, Joanne. Thanks. just quickly on Islam, yes, Muslims will say they revere Jesus, however, they are only revering an image of Jesus that fits what they believe because A-and look, I've had Muslim friends all my life, I've done dealings with Arabs, with Persians, with even Turks, all Muslim, all beautiful people, nothing against the people. However, just theologically, if you go to the, Book of 1 John and you go to chapter two, verse twenty-two
@markofmelb1974It explicitly states that those who deny that Jesus is the Messiah, is the Christ, is a liar. So that's, you could say the Jews, right? 'Cause they explicitly deny that Jesus is the Messiah, but it does go on to say, "He that denies the Father and the Son is Antichrist." And Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God. That's the, that's the problem.
@markofmelb1974They're welcome to, obviously, we're not excluding them from believing that, but their understanding of who Jesus is misses, essentially misses the whole point It's about the relationship between a father and a son. It is about the love between a father and a son, okay? so that's the problem. Now, as far as dispensationalism goes,
@markofmelb1974one of the progenitors of dispensationalism was the Jesuit Ribeira, who, came up with the futuristic, theory that the Antichrist is somewhere in the future. Somewhere in the future. now We, we know that the Protestant Reformation started with the, of course, the reading of the Bible itself in their, in their own language, which they hadn't been able to do, and the consensus between them was that the papacy was the great whore of Babylon Okay? I'm not letting Catholics off the hook here. Once again, I know Catholic people, nothing against them. I'm talking strictly theologically. They all came to the conclusion that the Vatican, or the papacy, okay, was that whore of Babylon, the whore that rides the beast.
@markofmelb1974the, that the papacy was the man of sin, the son of perdition, indeed the antichrist that sits on seven hills, that holds the golden chalice, that has the blood of the saints dripping, that is arrayed in scarlet and purple, all that fit the Catholic hierarchy Okay? This is what they agreed on. This was what they were protesting against, the papacy. And this is why the Counter-Reformation took place with the Jesuits. Not only did they slaughter these people and burn them at the stake, but they siphoned the actual,
@markofmelb1974belief, they sophisticated the belief and put the Antichrist and Man of Sin into the future to take the eyes off the papacy. That's the The, the, the, the, the genesis of the whole thing. And of course, so with Schofield and Darby, it intensified, and we have Christian Zionism today, but it's just ironic that that's how it happened, it was the Jesuit order, and, you know, some of us know how, how that started and who, who they were. That, that was, a very, pivotal moment in the history of dispensationalism, once again, to take the eyes off the,
@markofmelb1974the man of sin in Revelation, who they But anyway, thanks for the mic, I'll pass it on.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, Mark. Alright, Mark Murphy, go for it.
Speaker 2Well, I think one thing that was almost believed by everyone was that if we- You know, disagree even on the most fundamental things, it means we're enemies, it's a problem. So for instance, you say, "If Jesus is this, and you believe Jesus is that, then we're enemies." No, we're not. And just not discussing it isn't the way to go. And say, "Okay, if we enter this area, then this is rocky waters, and we're doomed because we'll be enemies." No, if we disagree, we're not gonna be enemies. That's the most important point. And then as for the belief system itself, we can We can discuss if Jesus is what you say, who you say, or who we say, but it doesn't matter in the end. If we disagree on this, it doesn't mean that any of us is doomed or any one of us has the right to, I don't know, attack the other, hurt the other, or disrespect. It's not because we want to disrespect the Christian view. It's not like that. Jews wanna do that for sure. But we say, okay, you believe this, we believe that. By the way, Jesus is mentioned in Quran with the name of Jesus, Masih, and Isa. So we do believe it's the same person, but it's okay, you believe we're wrong. We have the fundamental belief that God is one, and that's it. Now, you believe otherwise, it's okay, we can discuss it. But even if in the end we don't get to an agreement, we still have different views of opinion, it's no reason for animosity. We're friends. You're allowed to exercise your religion and have your belief system, and this is the same right that we have, even if we say what you're saying is wrong. You know, you're enjoying the same privilege yourselves. Everyone, everyone who says, "I have this religion." And if you say something against it, then you should be attacked. Well, you consider this for every other person in the world, what would that look like? It would be like just everyone fighting everyone, and that's just crazy. And it's not logical to even bring this as the reason for conflict. We say we wanna fight Jews, not because they have a different belief system, but because they're fighting us, they're attacking us. And discussing the points amongst ourselves, it's, it's not something to just run away from. Spice is good, but we shouldn't forget that it's no reason to fight, actually fight. It's just a fight of ideas to discuss things and get to the logical version. Now, we have this in Islam, you, you believe that if you want to actually understand it, you have to study for more than thirty years. In our country, that's the bare minimum. So, you see, it means when you wanna talk about something, you have to just understand it deeply, but in the end, it's yours, your understanding, and others are allowed to have their version, and it's okay. That's it.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, Mark Murphy. Rabbi, go for it!
@malleusigThanks. I was just going to add to that. I think that, one of the things that I think a lot of us lose sight on, and again, this is, this is true for Christians just as it is for a lot of Muslim, for, most Muslims that I've talked to, with really, really valuable exceptions to this rule. But, it's not necessary that we agree on everything for us to be friends. And that's why I, I have difficulty-- I can have just as much difficulty with, for example, devout- Catholics.
@malleusigAll right, I happen to be Catholic, but I can have just as much to do with Catholics that will get into me and will get into it and will, will try to wrap me up into a three-hour argument, you know, with biting and pulling hair and scratching the eyes out over some obscure piece of Christian dogma that frankly doesn't matter anyway.
@malleusigand- The, the, to expect, you know, Muslims to be able to meet with you on everything, it's unrealistic. You're not gonna do it. We come from completely different parts of the world. We come from, from completely different, you know, even our, our, our genetics, even completely different genetic lines, completely different cultures, completely different histories, right? we don't even agree on what certain words mean. Like in, in Arabic, there are words that are translated in English words. But those words in Arabic can mean something completely different than the translate, the word it's translated to in English. So I think it's important for us to remember that
@malleusigwe, we don't have to have the other party agree with us in order for us to get along. And I think that the, the more we can exercise that, we can practice that, that whole idea of being able to hold the heart open, right? And being able to accept someone even if they don't agree with you on this or that point, I think it's gonna be, the alliance is gonna be a lot stronger for it. And then we can focus on the people that are trying to get us killed, which is the real problem.
@joann_marieThank you so much, and, and I, I- I liked what you said. I don't see any more hands. Joao, do you want to add anything?
@malleusigNah, I just came in to defend. I'm listening interesting conversation.
Ian MalcolmJoey, you gotta come around more often, my friend. It's, the, the, actually, why don't we do this? Because Jo, it's been a while since I've gotten your, your take or been in the space with you. and this is kind of an interesting inflection point, this idea of Christian Zionism and, and Trump and fighting wars for Iran and all these other kind of things. I mean, obviously we had differences of opinions a year or two ago in silly spaces, and I think maybe worldviews have, have shifted and, and the, the president has, has made maybe his allegiance is a little bit more clear, right? I'm, I'm, I'm kinda curious for where you think this is all going to go. You, you're always Very, very reasonable, and so I'd be curious for your thoughts on, on the world. Yeah.
Speaker 4Either this weekend or next weekend, I think we find out. That's, that's my take. It's, it's, i-if we go to war this weekend or next weekend, like if we go kinetic, there is no doubt that America is ruled, or Trump is, there's compromise on Trump or one of the above.
Speaker 4if America doesn't go kinetic, which I have a feeling we might not, then America is still making decisions for Americans, because, if we go into Iran, it's going to be devastating economically for, for US.
Speaker 4And not good for America whatsoever. So we'll see. And it's not even good for him fin- it's not even good for Trump financially. he's not gonna profit a whole lot from this, as he's profited from so much else. except for his son stands to make one point eight billion dollars because he was given equity in a drone company in Israel, which the, the drones are being used, and now that company is gonna go public, which, you know, Eric Trump stands to make. A bit over a billion dollars from.
Speaker 4So, we'll see. I'm still, I'm still this weekend or next weekend, if there's a kinetic attack, I will join the club and say, "Yes, they control America." Till then, I'm, I'm waiting.
Ian MalcolmSo here's what we'll do, Joe. I will metaphorically dress up like Dave Chappelle when he was Rick James, and I will reach my hands with, with warm welcomes saying "Give it to me, baby," I think was the song they had in the background.
Speaker 4Yeah, I love that skit.
Ian MalcolmAnd look, if, if Trump does, he's, he's no different than when Rick James slapped Charlie Murphy and said "cold-blooded," which is what, Donald Trump seemingly is in the worst of ways. totally indifferent to, to Americans and prosperity for Americans and all those things. And I, I hope I'm wrong, just like I do all the time, joy, sincerely do. And, e-either way, it's, it's all, it's so gross. And, and Joe, it's one more question, I'm curious for your thoughts because you brought up, Eric Trump, right? W-we saw the, the Trump coin, the Melania coin, then you had the rugging with the World Financial Group, right? Now Eric Trump with a drone company selling its product to the Israelis. Like, in your experience, you've been following politics a long time, is this the most laughable degrees of corruption? Corruption that you've seen, or do you think the Biden administration was worth the, okay, no,
Speaker 4no, Trump has made more money in the past year than he has in his seventy-seven years combined, on the face of this earth. Right? That, this, that is laughable. That's never happened in the history of, of the presidency. I'd be curious if that's ever happened in any presidency ever. it probably has, I, I mean, outside of America, right? It probably has, Angola would be a good candidate for that, but,
Speaker 4you know, we're, we're comparing the American president to African presidents in terms of corruption. That's crazy. And now, I don't know if you saw, but the guy who made the bet on Polymarket about going into Venezuela, he's facing sixty years in jail. Right? What about the other people that directly make, that are making, you know, taking out trades five seconds before Trump releases a tweet?
Speaker 4There's, it's impossible, impossible that that isn't a family member, or if that's not the, the Trump family profiting from that.
Ian MalcolmJoe, Joe, do you think is it safe at this point to not only say that it's criminal, but that I mean, is Donald Trump committing treason? and, and if so, what percentage of sitting members of, of either the House or the Senate do you think are all too-- also guilty of essentially the same crime at this point?
Speaker 4You, you know, I don't, I don't think he thinks he's committing treason. I think he's just thinking about himself and profiting. It's not very different than what he did. In the '80s, there's a, people should look it up, it's a funny story. Trump would call the New York Times with the name of John Jangar, right? And you can actually hear the audio tapes from it.
Speaker 4And it was him pretending to be Trump's publicist with information about the fact that Trump was going to buy MCI, which was like a big telecom company back in the day.
Speaker 4And then Trump wouldn't buy, and then later Trump would come out and deny that that, that ever happened, that he wasn't gonna buy it. but in the meantime, the stock jumped like thirty percent. And they couldn't ever nail it down to him because of the fact that,
Speaker 4it wasn't him buying the stock, right? But someone definitely profited back then. Why else would he do it? You see what I mean? So I, I think he's doing the same thing here, like he's putting out tweets to manipulate the market, he's profited heavily from it.
Speaker 4it, it is the most corrupt presidency I've ever seen. I never thought we would see this in America. And I don't know how this isn't a bigger deal in Congress than it is, right? And this is why I keep saying it's just a unit party. Like the fact that almost no one in Congress is talking about this just shows that they're all, it's just all one big, big show, which I've always been saying, it's, it's a unit part, doesn't matter who you vote for, we're gonna get the same thing, and that's why you see Obama went to Libya, Bush went to Iraq. Trump,
Speaker 4Biden helped, Israel with Gaza. Trump's going to Iran. you know, I'm sure down the line that whoever's next will go to Colombia. you know, it's just or, or China. It's just, it doesn't matter who you vote for, right? So who's really in charge? And I think we'll find out today. Is it a deep state? Not today, this weekend or next weekend. Is it a deep state or is it, or is it actually Israel?
Speaker 4Yeah, we'll know. Because if America, if, if he makes the decision to sell out America, 'cause this will damage us greatly.
Speaker 4I don't know if you saw the credit line swap with the, the cur- the swap lines for Dubai, seems like they're gonna be rejected. and what did Dubai say? Dubai said, "Well, then we're gonna have to go to the yuan." so that is directly, US choosing to give up the dollar, the power of the dollar in order to help Israel if they go on attack,
Speaker 4because That is what made America great, is the fact that we could print unlimited money. It was like playing Monopoly, and the banker had an unlimited cash printer, and that's what made America rich, nothing else. I know a lot of people are like, "Oh, it's the innovation, it's this, it's that." No, the innovation got funding to be able to do it because we were able to print unlimited amount of money because ever-all the oil was priced in, in the dollar.
Speaker 4and once you understand that, you realize how important that is. It's a pretty crazy story. Anyway, I think we'll find out soon, Ian. No, it's at the, at the, at the pre- I can't say the word, pre-precipice, at the, maybe someone can help me out. Yeah, we
Ian Malcolmare at the precipice of, that's it, that's it. Prospectively, actually, final question for you, Joe, and then we'll, we'll, we'll check in with Andy for some final thoughts here before we wrap up. So, a-at what Did you decide that we are either at or what point would have to take place before you would view this as World War III?
Speaker 4I think we've been in it since, before, since Trump's last term. when you had forty-some countries say they wanna join the BRICS, I think that's the, that was the beginning of the, the world war. Right? People are picking two sides, one side or the other, and it started then.
Speaker 4Now it's not kinetic, but it, it's everything else. It's, you know, it's financial, it's trade, it's, it's everything.
Speaker 4Which to me, that's a hell of a lot better than being kinetic, so, go at it that way, but,
Speaker 4you know, we'll see. I don't think China will get involved, I don't think we'll go to World War, I don't think China will get involved. China's too smart.
Speaker 4while Iran needs China, China doesn't need Iran. Although, yeah, it gets the oil, but Saudis would gladly sell them the oil.
Speaker 4you know, that's-- so I don't think this is gonna go too much further into like a kinetic war, to be honest, with other countries getting involved. And I'm very happy that, that Europe decided to stay out of it. Which shows what's-- most people say, "Oh, em- empires die because they lose power, this or that." The number one reason empires die is 'cause allies leave,
Speaker 4and we just saw a bunch of allies basically throw up the middle finger to America. Not a great sign.
Ian MalcolmNo, and that's a very interesting way to describe it, because the, I, I think you're exactly right. World War III, it, it commenced a while ago. It's essentially the, the, the reconstruction of the next world order, which, i-it's, it's either gonna be the con- the perpetuation of the petrodollar system, and, and maybe that bleeds into Bitcoin or something along those lines, run through a CBDC, or it goes to BRICS, and then you end up with the same digital currency. But either way, You know, it's the continuation of what is or the creation of what will be, and
Ian Malcolmthe-- there's no, there's no third row on that. It's, that is the economic war that essentially all this other stuff is loosely entangled within. Yeah. I'd,
Speaker 4I'd make a small, small correction. It's either petrodollar dominance or not petrodollar dominance. I wouldn't say it's the BRICS. Do you know what I mean? I don't think the BRICS is actually trying to create a competing, like a, like a dominant currency. I think they're just trying to create an alternative rails. And you can make alternative rails with, with crypto, you can make alternative rails with, with a basket of currencies, or you can make alternative rails with just the yuan. So I don't know what that's gonna be.
Speaker 4I just know that right now the petrodoll doesn't have an alternative. And I think at the end of this, it will, and that'll kill, America's funding,
Speaker 4funding projects, funding innovation, funding, funding everything. It'll kill the growth engine of America, basically.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, you're, you're exactly right, because the, the petrodollar, for anybody not following, essentially, the, the US's ability to basically intertwine the Federal Reserve with the price of oil has allowed them to use that as their, the, the monopoly game, if you will. They just, when they need more money, they just print it, and because the world only accepts it, well, then they just have unlimited of it. And so that, that is a very curious piece of this whole, let's say, fifty-year- History of the United States is that all of these things that we believe, to, to Joe's point, that as the result of American innovation, well, a lot of it's because they just got to jam all of the money into the innovation of the US projects, and that's certainly been the case with the tech sector and a whole bunch of other stuff. So, it's, it's, it's very well stated, and, and you're exactly right. Whoever defines the rails of that economic system to buy and exchange energy, they win. And the United States, if they turn Turn that over, well then so too goes a lot of the prosperity that Americans have been appreciating for a long time. And I don't, I actually, as the last little question, Joe, sorry to keep peppering them to you, what is the United States' role in the world if that system goes by the wayside? If, if the petrodollar and its alignment to the US money printer goes away, does America become a second world nation or what do you think happens to it?
Speaker 4No, I think it'll be very much like Britain, to be honest. I think it'll be a very slow grind.
Speaker 4I mean, look at the country now, right? A lot of people, if you really look at the rise of, like, all the fans and the jizenderzy and the amount of gambling that, that states have allowed and, and everything else, everything is in, in place For, like in city planning, what do you do when there's a neighborhood that you wanna take over and start to make nice? You allow pawn shops and strip clubs and bars on the corner, and then that place goes down, and then drugs get involved, and then once the drugs get involved, then you're able to buy it up and then take it over and then make it nice, right? That's, that's the way city planning's done,
Speaker 4typically, right? if you look at America in general, it feels like that's what's happening to America.
Ian MalcolmIt's actually terrifying to hear you say that, because there are, there, there are casinos going up basically everywhere across the entire country, it feels like at this point.
Speaker 4Yeah, and, addicted on pills, like people think it's crazy, the amount of pills Americans take, because it's the only place on earth that you're allowed to ad- that pharmaceutical companies allowed to advertise to the consumer. So you watch an ad, everyone thinks they need a pill to fix something.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's, it's, wild, wildly accurate and terrifying, in, in its reality. It, it does, it feels, exactly along those lines. It's, it's, build the casinos and the gambling, have the polly markets, usher in the strip clubs and the drugs and just lull everybody to sleep in, in poverty.
Speaker 4Yeah, pretty much what it feels like. Sadly, so we will take all the
Ian Malcolmmoney, swindle all the prosperity, but drug you into apathy throughout the process and demoralize you in the, in the doing. actually, I, I keep saying last question, last little question, Joe, does that implosion beget A sense of faith that therefore allows people to start advocating for a resistance against the, the, the system that's pushing out all the degeneracy.
Speaker 4I can't see that far ahead. I wish, I hope so. but I really don't know. I can see the impending doom, and I hope I'm wrong. there's a chance that, that won't happen if- You know, Trump makes the right decision, but we'll see. But then what, what gets us out of it? I can't, I don't know. I haven't even really tried to think of it, 'cause it's not typically what I'm good at. I'm really good at finding the problem, I'm not always good at finding like what's gonna happen after the problem.
Ian MalcolmWell, I'll tell you what, it takes a, it takes a strong man to suggest the areas in which, in which he has any shortcomings. So lots, lots of credit, for that. I know I got lots of blind spots, and I also have knee-jerk reactions to look for Jews. That's my, that's my Achilles' heel in my worldview. But, but no, it takes a lot, lot of strength to admit any, any weakness. And so, Joe, I, I always, I really enjoy, all of our back and forth Even the feisty ones, just because you're always very well-- and, and for anybody that hasn't, been familiar with Joe's work, very interesting perspectives on the world because he's led a lot of different operations and how they have essentially tried to market to and communicate with their customer base. And so when you think of the value of that skill when it comes to analyzing the political landscape and how the different parties are behaving, the different, let's say, power centers are behaving It, it gives a very, very interesting perspective on all of it. Yeah,
Speaker 4Ian, I'll tell you, thank you by the way, and yeah, of course, I love our conversations. although we don't always agree, and sometimes we do get feisty, but I'll, I'll give you one that I think no one has seen, and everyone will agree as soon as they see it. We had this big, like, typically in America, we build up this like propaganda to hate a certain population, just like we did before Pearl Harbor, right? Before Pearl Harbor, for two years, they were inundating American people with, "The Japs are coming to rape our wives." and you can go to Google and just look up Japanese propaganda, and you'll see what they were doing in the States. They were doing the same thing about Muslims. That's why it was like, "The Muslims in, in Michigan, and the Muslims here, and the Muslims there." So they were ramp, ramping this up to go into Iran because of the Muslims, and then Epstein completely messed that propaganda machine up, and that's why there's no support for Iran, and they're shocked. But it's because of Epstein, because of the Epstein files, and everyone's like, "Screw you, where's the rest of the files?" All that propaganda went away 'cause now you didn't trust the storyteller anymore. Right? And that's something I don't think you see just because of, you know, the way I helped Fortune 500 companies with, with the strategy and communication and things like that. And I, I saw that whole propaganda machine being built and, and how effective it was.
Speaker 4and because of Epstein, it totally got screwed. And I think it caught all the, the experts in the government by surprise that there wasn't a support for Iran, and, and that's why. Right, their propaganda got killed because of Epstein.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and so final little question, Joy, and, and this is the-- this is the one that I still don't entirely have any sense on. So who was it, or what was it that ultimately pushed- The Epstein files to drip, drip, drip their way out to the masses, 'cause obviously, you know, there was the, the most frequent, or, or most recent rendition of Epstein, but we all know-- well, those of us that are really versed in this know that he had been arrested in the past, and they, they looked into him, and they knew what he was up to, and then they let him go anyway, right? And so he kinda got a get out of jail free card the first time around, and then whatever it was that this second time around made sure To not only lock him up, but put it front and center, and ultimately get all these eyeballs. What, what mechanism in the background do you think may have had a hand in that? Is it, is it Russia gate again, or what do you suppose was the architect there?
Speaker 4It's, look, people do have power, although a lot of times a lot of people don't believe we do, but when they need to keep us calm Right, to a degree, right? They can let it get crazy, but when you get like seventy-five percent of the country, eighty percent of the country demanding something, that's a really bad, that's really, really bad. They need to act, like when they see polls where it's like seventy-five percent, eighty percent, something.
Speaker 4and you had seventy-eight percent of people said they, they weren't happy with the Epstein, what was going on with Epstein. So they released files. If you look at what they released A lot of stuff was bad, there was disgusting pictures, but there was actually no real evidence in the files, right? There was just a lot of accusations from people, like hearsay.
Speaker 4and we now we know that those weren't all the files. we heard a senator say that,
Speaker 4I think he said that they should call it the Trump files, 'cause Trump's name shows up a million times in the files that haven't been released, more times than Epstein's name has been, is mentioned in the files. so they released enough to get that number down, right? So if you were to poll, go to any city, and you're like, "You know, did they release all the Epstein files?" I guarantee you thirty, forty percent of people will be, will say yes. Right? So that, that subject went away for them,
Speaker 4and that's why they had to release it, 'cause the percentage was way too high. 'Cause that's how you start to get revolts and that's how you get people going against the government.
Speaker 4You know? So they released just enough to quiet enough people down so that number goes, so the percentage of people that are demanding Epstein files goes down. That's all they did.
Ian MalcolmI think that's exactly right, and, and, i-ironically some of the worst perpetrators like, Donald Trump, at least the frequency of being mentioned in them just still walking around. And so, y-you're exactly right, and if, if we knew the full story there, I'm sure People would be in the streets, to your point, right? and, and so it's, it's very curious how all this plays out. Maybe one, maybe one day, Joey, you and I will be in a, digital retirement home somewhere, and, we'll get the full story from, from this thing and get to look back and maybe I'll eat my hat and say, "Oh, I didn't, I didn't realize it was the Koreans all along. I was way off." But, but nonetheless, and, always such a pleasure to
Ian MalcolmThoughts here on the space or on anything that was just shared. Let's go to Captain Surf and then, over to Andy.
Speaker 5Hey, real quick, how you doing? Ian there. Good, great that you had the space here, Joe. Always a big fan of your, your takes here. Hey, listen, you brought up gambling, and one thing I wanna remind you guys, I've been talking about this for like five, six years, people just kinda dismiss it. But if you ever think of gambling, and we have a lottery, lottery- Basically, system in pretty much all forty-eight states in the United States, if you go to buy these lottery tickets, you have to use cash, which means they can't tra-- you can't track it. So just think of that, within our own nation, we have a legalized government authorized Gambling system here that you can't track the government, you have to pay cash for these tickets and so on and so forth. I just wanted to remind you people of this. When people mention gambling, there's a gambling system already in place by the deep state there, and it's your lottery system. So that's what I wanted to bring up. Thank you.
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. Let's, let's go to Andy.
Speaker 6Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, this is just a great space, yes. Yeah, great space, everyone. Everyone's waking up and, yeah, sorry I wasn't fully paying attention. I was focused on something else a bit, I wasn't paying attention then, but yeah. But, yeah. Everyone's waking up and, yeah, we definitely are headed back to war. I don't think it's a matter of if, it's a matter of when, and Trump's not moving George H. W. Bush into the region, that you have these MAGA influencers that are hyping it up, "Oh, it has this laser defense system," I think this whole laser defense system on the carrier is BS, but Trump isn't posturing all of this force and they're not doing these heavy airlifts with More missiles and whatever to just back out. That's Trump being delusional, slash, being blackmailed into trying to bomb his way out of a war that he-- we shouldn't be in. And however this ends, whether it's gonna be forty more days, forty weeks, or forty months, we'll, we'll see where this goes. And I-- there's nothing I would rule out at this point because a year ago I never wouldn't have thought we would be here, so we'll see. It's just unfathomable. Bowl, and you already saw those reports where they were talking about the Strait of Hormuz possibly being closed for months. And I was at Sam's Club today, and it looked like they were a bit low on toilet paper, and I asked, "Were people mass buying toilet paper?" And the lady at checkout said, "Yes, a bunch of people were buying toilet paper in an unusual quantity today." So that-- and she said it was the first day, so I wonder if they saw Trump's comments about the Strait of Hormuz and started panic buying or not, but that's- Interesting that for some reason today people were buying toilet paper in larger quantities. So I wonder if people are really starting to get wise to this conflict and realize people might be-- that this could be enough, we might start having shortages in the next month or something if this drags on.
Ian MalcolmNo, very, very well stated. And, and look, well, maybe they're onto something that, that you're unaware of, Andy. and, and let's hope, let's hope not. If you look for the little hats, if, if they were doing anything curious. I didn't see it,
Speaker 6but I asked the cashier, like, "Hey, there was low on toilet paper," and she said, "Yeah, I saw a lot of people buying extra toilet paper."
Ian Malcolmgotta, gotta keep our eyes peeled for any, any insider info that might come out of it. And, and speaking of which, Joe, to, to throw one more question at you, I know I said one more and then one more. So, I, I'm really curious for your thoughts actually on this one. Which is that you had Candace Owens that started to dabble in this subject matter. You obviously had influencers like Dan Bilzerian, you had Kanye, Kanye West.
Ian Malcolmone of the biggest, I feel like, is the fact that Tucker Carlson is now talking about these things, who obviously, you know, he, he's, he was a boomer-centric voice that landed a whole lot of listeners through Fox News. They kicked him off, and now he's the number one person, for pod- Casting, despite all the criticism that he gets from, from essentially everybody else. Which brings me to the question, 'cause I know Piers Morgan has kind of talked a little bit about the, the genocide in Gaza. Who do you think is the next major voice, if anybody, that is going to stand up and start talking about this issue with a little bit more clarity and, and perhaps being a little bit more critical of this dynamic between Israel and the United States, especially if, to your comment earlier, if in the next- Next week, the US does in fact go to war with Iran.
Speaker 4Again, I don't know. I know who I wish it would be, but I don't, which would be Rogan.
Ian MalcolmWho, who would be, if you got one champion, who, who would be the one you would want most to talk about it?
Speaker 4Rogan. But he'll, he'll never do it. Oh. He'll never do it, because Rogan speaks to the other side a bit. Like Rogan kind of bridges the gap between left and right. But because he bridges- Rogen
Speaker 5to Brecht, though. Sorry, I thought you were done. Go ahead.
Speaker 4Yeah, because he bridges that gap, he, he protects his, his cash, right? he's not gonna put it all on the line and risk it. Tucker makes sense, he was trying to build an audience, he does believe it, he could take the Hail Mary and see if it works, right? And if it doesn't work, he can start over. Rogen can't just start over. So for him, it's like- Do I give up the life I have right now and start this new one or not? So like, yeah, I have little, little faith that he'll do that.
Ian MalcolmInteresting, Joe Rogan, yeah, that would be curious. I, I know he had Theo Vaughn on and, and certainly pushed back when, when he was talking about that issue a little bit. And it was very curious, 'cause Rogan, for a second, he kind of almost did like a, a head fake, because he had Ian Carroll on, that must have been a year or two ago at this point
Ian Malcolmthey, they kind of went down conspiracy theories and touched very loosely on this stuff, but, that, that was kind of the end of that as a flash in the pan, if you will.
Speaker 4Yeah, very true.
Ian MalcolmAlright, so, so given that Mr. Truthstar isn't open to space, I don't know if he's going to or not. So, Joa, he's gonna- Yeah, he's going to open in a couple of minutes. Okay, so here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna- I was gonna ask Joa if he wanted to play "Answer That Jew."