Held here entire — 737 passages across 13 chapters and 5 named voices, set down from the first word to the last.
- 0:00West's Crossroads & CCP's RootsIan Malcolm introduces the topic of Western societal decline and the Jewish roots of the CCP.
- 7:56Karen's Background & CCP HistoryKaren shares her personal history and details the Soviet Jewish influence on the Chinese Communist Party.
- 35:20America's AB Test & ConvergenceRabbi Malleus argues that America and China are converging after a global 'AB test' of control methods.
- 46:54Dismantling Tradition & Noahide LawKaren and Rabbi discuss the systematic destruction of Western traditions and the goal of Noahide Law.
- 57:45Targeting Critical ThinkersRabbi Malleus explains how critical thinkers are being neutralized through various societal campaigns.
- 1:07:06Agenda 2030 & AI's RoleTom asks about the implementation of Agenda 2030 and Karen discusses the impact of AI.
- 1:17:19Social Credit System DebateA heated debate ensues regarding the existence and implementation of China's social credit system.
- 1:36:37Censorship & CredentialingIan and Karen discuss China's new content credentialing rules and their implications for censorship.
- 1:55:36Rabbi's Song: 'Still Better'Rabbi Malleus debuts his new song, 'Still Better,' offering a satirical take on current events.
- 2:06:15China's Poverty & Socialism DebateTruth Teller and Karen debate the poverty rates and socialist aspects of China versus the US.
- 2:29:00Constitutional Rights & FreedomProxy Party and David discuss the erosion of constitutional rights and the importance of individual liberty.
- 2:50:55Generational Divide & OptimismIan and David discuss the generational divide in America and the potential for young people to seek radical change.
- 3:03:04Concluding Remarks & Future OutlookKaren offers concluding thoughts on resistance, community, and the ongoing dialogue for a better future.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmWell, all right. Welcome, welcome, welcome. As always, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world. Excited to kick off another conversation here. Going to be diving into a rather interesting topic, not only topical because of current events, at least on the geopolitical front, but also due to the rising totalitarian regime that is the censorship regime.
Ian Malcolmbureau that we are seeing essentially dominating the landscape of any and all technologies uh... that have actually grabbed the attention of uh... kim dot com who with his one point seven million followers has been making some pretty direct uh... they're certainly not threats uh... but accusations let's say of x of elon uh... basically suggesting that x is at this point completely captured
Ian MalcolmAnd he has been making some pretty direct accusations against the you-know-whos. Had a post that, if I'm not mistaken, read something like, their regime will come to an end again. Which was basically referencing the long history that exists of this particular group that we often talk about. Basically getting too much power.
Ian Malcolmto the point that then for whatever reason, not only do they have it, but then they have to have all of it. It's not enough to just have most of the riches or most of the control. They have to have every last little bit, because if they don't, they perhaps fear fearful that they will have that stripped from them. And so we've seen a lot of the overreach, and it's a very curious time then to have this conversation.
Ian MalcolmWe're going to be having two guest speakers today, both of which were recommended. as part of that thread that I did a while back between Ms. Karen and then also Rabbi Mallius, who's going to be joining us here as well. And the conversation is kind of going to take two different forms. And I say this because, first and foremost, we'll be talking about censorship and what will happen, prospectively, if we are not very careful with our, let's say, rejection of this machine in the West.
Ian MalcolmAnd I say that because I feel like we are at a crossroads in the Western world, which is either to essentially accept and become complacent to the mindless slop and dopamine that's offered via Netflix, video games, the internet, pornography, SSRIs, and all the other things that I would talk about. Does the world accept those and say, you know what, I'm comfortable with what is as long as I keep getting the hits of dopamine?
Ian Malcolmor do they stand up against the machine that dishes out the dopamine in search of something perhaps greater? And as the West deals with that crossroads, we have to then look to the East and to determine, has China, which under the CCP apparently is, and definitionally, is communistic, and we can look back at the roots of that communistic regime,
Ian Malcolmwhich we did a space previously with Ms. Karen on. We looked into the roots of the CCP, which is inextinguishably Jewish at its core. We talked about how the Bolsheviks, or at least the, let's say, the second coming of the Bolsheviks, the communists out of Russia, were largely intertwined with the construction of the CCP in its funding, in its ideation, with Mao.
Ian Malcolmsome of his closest allies and advocates in the early years were not only coming out of Russia and were Jewish, but according to Karen, and we'll get a recap of this for those that weren't able to listen, we'll get a quick little synopsis. But if I'm not mistaken, she basically said the first two or three decades of the CCP in China was essentially an extension of the control in Russia.
Ian MalcolmAnd so why do I bring that up? Well, because if the East under the CCP is already And if the West is slipping into what feels like capitalism and democracy that is essentially just a faux sheen, it is the wrapper that is put around what is certainly nepotistic in nature capitalism, if not crony capitalism, if not just outright socialism for the absolute elites off the backs of the American and Western European taxpayers.
Ian Malcolmand then brutal capitalism to the point that it's essentially economic Darwinism for everybody else, right? Those at the very top get to just basically hang glide their way to the billions while everyone else is left to essentially fight it out with pistols or perhaps with keyboards over the scraps. And so if that is the case, and if the West is slowly becoming faux capitalism, faux democracy,
Ian Malcolmwhat is happening in China or has happened in China. And are these two things essentially colliding together in a way that is ultimately one in the same, or are they perhaps colliding together in a way that ultimately will lead to one or the other taking the other over? And I think there's an interesting argument to basically be made that the West is currently being sabotaged and sacrificed for the construction of the Greater Israel Project, which perhaps is being done in conjunction
Ian Malcolmeither at odds with or as part of BRICS, knowing that then the entire thing will become enwrapped in essentially global Israeli Zionist control. So that's a lot to unpack. That's a lot to discuss. And as a result, we've got two wonderful speakers here. I think Mr. Malleus should be with us and is hopefully coming up. Send him a co-host.
Ian MalcolmWe've also got the lovely Joanne, who I'm going to send a co-host to as well. There we go. And with that, I think we should be good. Karen, while we're getting Mr. Rabbi set up, do you want to give a little bit of background, perhaps on yourself, perhaps on the expertise that you intrinsically have with, say, for example, the background of China through heritage, and maybe a little bit, not to totally unpack it, but a little bit about your thoughts on the involvement in perhaps, let's just say, Russian communism, perhaps in just Jews in general with the CCP?
Ian MalcolmAnd then what we'll do is we'll transition to an introduction from Mr. Malleus, and we can get his thoughts on perhaps the West and the state of either capitalism and democracy or perhaps crony capitalism with some kind of nepotistic political structure that enshrines it. But Karen, if you wouldn't mind just jumping in there, and then, like I said, we'll go to Mr. Malleus.
Speaker 1Great intro. Thanks, as usual, Ian, for inviting me on to... this hopefully very fruitful discussion. Just a little bit about myself. I came over to the States in the late 80s, essentially to go to college here. And so I grew up in Shanghai, in China. And my grandparents were with the Nationalist Party, who were, my grandfather was actually a general.
Speaker 1uh he was more on the logistics side in the army and he fought in their you know the world war ii um my parents obviously kind of as offspring of uh you know the wrong party that got defeated by the communists um definitely suffered persecution along with my grandparents' generation during the Cultural Revolution, etc.
Speaker 1But they were also kind of a generation that grew up, as we say, under the red flags. And I guess I was as well under extreme indoctrination until 1978, when Mao's regime, Mao's wife's regime, so to speak,
Speaker 1overthrown and Deng Xiaoping became kind of the leader of China, which kind of saw the opening of China to the Western world and reform, etc. So all throughout the late 80s, I mean, the 80s, there was a period of truth and reconciliation where people were very open with the party history, with just the ills of communism, et cetera.
Speaker 1So, you know, recent years we have seen kind of a reverting back to that history, to the pre kind of, you know, The Mao era, there's a certain level of nostalgia because China right now is essentially not necessarily a socialist communist regime. It's more, I would say, a very capitalistic society with vested interests in certain groups.
Speaker 1it can serve as a proxy for what America actually has been under the facade. And also it can serve as, you know, kind of what a survivor society looks like once it has actually gone through a period of Jewish rule. So going back to the history of the Communist Party, I mean,
Speaker 1I mean, it was, there has been, I mean, globally speaking, not just in Russia. I mean, socialism is not a Jewish invention. I mean, it has been around and the, you know, strains of socialistic thoughts has been around ever since the industrialization period. what's differentiated from the socialist kind of experiment versus, say, communism, to me, on the surface could be it's, you know, more of a Marxist theoretical underpinning, which essentially does not put its focus more on equality, kind of fairness, but more on, say, class struggles.
Speaker 1You know, the... the synergy of the opposing sides, kind of a Hegelian kind of way of thinking about how the society evolves over time that necessarily involves a struggle, involves hatred, involves power, etc. So that's sort of a high level when I think of that. That's at least my critique of Marxism coming out of you know, many years of, you know, self-reflection and also China as a society, on a societal level, reflection on its communist past.
Speaker 1But obviously that thought has evolved over time as I understand more and more the tribal aspect of things. I mean, for a Chinese, the party history has been quite open book since the 80s, and much more so between 2000 and 2012. And now it's starting to kind of close down, going back ever since 2016, since Xi.
Speaker 1came into power. So we did have a period where we're very open about that party past and very open about the Soviet, you know, historical documents as well, which were opened since Yeltsin's overthrowing, I would say, coup. So from the China side, they also had access to the Russian archive to get a better understanding of its own CCP history.
Speaker 1So the long and short of it is China, for the 2,000 years of its kind of you know, history, I guess, post-antiquity. Half of that time, it was actually ruled by Northern nomads. So you can think of China as mostly Han, as an ethnic group, which is a Sino-Tibetan language family and Jinpo, all right, which... what I would say probably migrated, you know, from, I guess, anywhere from 25,000 to 50,000 years ago from, say, their Turkic region, from their Black Sea region, or even, you know, further to the west to their...
Speaker 1kind of a hunter, not the hunter-gatherer, but more the farmer community. And through the south of Himalayas and all the way up the Yangtze River to the Yangtze Delta region. And also... through their Tibetan corridor to their what we call He Xi Zou Lang, which is the Qinghai Tibetan Plateau area, which at the time had tropical weather and all the way to their Yellow River region.
Speaker 1And there, you know, the Han culture developed into their mythical... dynasty of the Huangdi. Anyway, there were a couple of dynasties, the Xia and Shang dynasties that predated more their recorded history. But they had found holographic symbols from those era. And recently they unearthed archaeological sites where they found these
Speaker 1fantastical, huge browns, like two-meter-tall browns masks of alien-looking beings. And they also found seashells which did not really comport with a kind of a landlocked region where it was found. So there's speculation as to where those people came from, where, you know, whatever, the origin of their... the Han Chinese came from.
Speaker 1But overall, they're kind of the conclusions. This is to know Tibetan south of Himalaya to Sichuan to, you know, their Yangtze Delta region as well as the Yellow Delta region culture. But they had been also raised nomads all the way north. going through what is currently Uyghur territory and the Great Plains, so to speak.
Speaker 1And, you know, you can say their origin of Yamhanna culture, which, you know, became their more the Germanic, their Celtic culture, the Slavic culture. And also you could say in my belief and in the space that I did with Ian, the origin of the current day Jews, which were the Ashinas, the Khazas that came from probably initially north of Altai, close to central Siberia, but then over the Altai to the current day Uyghur region, then driven by the Han Chinese in the sixth century to the Caspian Sea.
Speaker 1And when they split into their eastern tribes and the western tribes. And the eastern tribes are probably the current day Uyghurs. And there are actually a lot of Jews that look a bit like Uyghurs. And then some that went to their Turkic region. So they're having raids. I mean, you know. periodic raids of these, what they call, you know, Xiyu, the Western region raids.
Speaker 1And the Han Chinese who are in power currently want to deny the fact that they actually ruled half the time by northern nomads, which are of the more Turkic-Mongolian blood, which is actually different from the Sino-Tibetan blood. language group. So anyway, long and short of it is, China in, you know, for 300 years before the 20th century was ruled by the Manchus.
Speaker 1And the Manchus are the Jin, they're kind of a Tongass people. They were closely related to the Jin people who of Nordic, more to the east of their Mongol dynasties. So anyway, so their infiltration of, say, these, I would say, West influence, whether it came from the Christian missionaries or from, say, the Jews definitely worked in tandem with the Han Chinese forces that tried to retake China fundamentals.
Speaker 1So therefore, that was the origin of the Nationalist Party. So in that regard, the majority of the funding for that revolution came from overseas Chinese, but also came in part from leftist Japanese. and in part from, say, the Western forces. And interestingly, what we call the Japanese militants that invaded China later on were leftist Japanese who were groomed by...
Speaker 1Now we know from the Jewish bankers, they were financed by them, 42% of it, the military funding, exactly. I went in to actually do the calculation. I want to be as precise as possible. So anyway, the long and short of it, it was really, it's a very complicated picture. So when you see their... a ways of, you know, say from the opium wars to the Taiping movement, et cetera.
Speaker 1There was a lot of undermining of the Manchu dynasty, which at the time actually ranked number one in GDP worldwide, even though it was very insular and, you know, technological. I mean, why is it wasn't as advanced as China, how China ranked pre-Manchu, which would be like the Ming Dynasty was definitely at the height at the time.
Speaker 1But long and short of this, there were a lot of alliances that became foes later. And in terms of their outreach to the Chinese, different parties, different factions, it was definitely, there were alliances between the Soviet Jews and international Jews with the Nationalist Party and the Communist Party. So say their son, the elder son of Chiang Kai-shek, who was the son-in-law of the founder of the Nationalist Party, the elder son actually went to Moscow for schooling.
Speaker 1He married a Russian wife. The second son was... actually joined a nationalist socialist party in Germany. And he actually partook in the German, I guess, I think it's the Austrian campaign. So you would see all these different alliances. So it's really hard to draw the conclusion. But one thing is very clear. They definitely used all parties to their advantage at different times, such as used the Japanese, funded the Japanese leftists to attack the Tsar, then actually helped the nationalists with the Japanese when China was needed as an ally during World War II and sending their flying tiger to control the Yunnan regions
Speaker 1transport, and thwart Japanese control over the Myanmar border. But at the same time, going back to what Ian was saying, Communist Party of China was absolutely single-handedly founded, brought together, trained, and armed by Soviet Jews. and international Jews. So, I mean, there are different aspects. I mean, it wasn't just the Bolsheviks that went into Russia, but all these different, you know, sort of groups of people, right, sent into all regions.
Speaker 1And then you see Bela Kun in Hungary. You see, you know, Emma, is it Emma Goldberg? I forgot her name. But anyway. going to Germany and, is it the Rosenthal? To America. Is it Rosenberg or Rosenthal? I forgot. Anyway, so you have all these international Jews, what would come under Communist International, Comintern, Comintern 1, 1, 2, Comintern 3, all the way, I think, to 7.
Speaker 1Anyway, so during that time, you would have these Jews that came, you know, sometimes from New York, sometimes from Canada, sometimes from somewhere in Germany, definitely from Soviet, would come to China, recruit the locals, especially from the student population. And interestingly, looking back, one of the earliest founders of the Communist Party, his last name is Ai Qing, and his son is Ai Weiwei.
Speaker 1I mean, people might have heard of him as a pretty well-known artist. So Ai is a very definitive Jewish name that was given by the emperor to denote their origin, part of the Kaifeng Jews' last names. So it's interesting. Maybe there is a tribal connection there. But anyway, so they founded and even... At the time, Mao was one of the original members, but he wasn't the central member.
Speaker 1But he actually never went to college, but he did take classes from the Beijing University. And he was a librarian there. And they actually funded one of his bookstores and set it up for him to... make a few bucks and also spread the ideas of communism. So he was invited, along with the other founders, to Shanghai in the early 1920s to have this first meeting.
Speaker 1And ever since that meeting, the entire selection of a cast of members of the CCP and...
Speaker 1The leadership, including the military strategy, was directed from Moscow. So nearly all the cadres from the high ranking to the middlings would be sent to Moscow to get schooling. And even their spouses were handpicked by the party. It was a very tight control until, and that goes for almost every Chinese, I mean, every communist regime in every country.
Speaker 1And in 1938, there was a big rift internally. So between 1920s to 1938, there had been waves and waves of purges and land reforms. and a lot of people got killed whether as an internal kind of a purge or as kind of a in the territories they controlled as part of their, you know, exterminate class struggle subjects where the landlords were just rounded up and their worst elements of a village would be like become, you know, they're made into leaders of these hooligans and, you know, the same thing that occurred everywhere under their rule.
Speaker 1So between the 1920s and 1938, you would, it was,
Speaker 1pretty much picked by everything was determined from Moscow. From 1938 on, Mao actually took leave of that Moscow direction and set up his own territory. And then just within a year, you would have overseas... now looking back, what they call international friends, and looking back, they're all Jewish, going to Yan'an where he set up his settlement and advised him, so to speak.
Speaker 1And at one point, they even had Mao say they're, you know, like American democracy is great, etc. But all throughout, the purpose was to definitely control where this, you know, force was going. But At the same time, they had wanted China to go into the war to be an ally to U.S. against Japan. So they had to split their attention and given their support to both parties, to the National Party and the CCP.
Speaker 1So the Nationalist Party fought war for eight years and triumphed at the end of the war. And that's when the... really turned against them and financed full-on CCP using the Soviet army's loot of all the weapons and control the gold and the richest region, which is the mentor region that had to produce this coal and oil to basically full of core press to defeat the nationalist army.
Speaker 1So it's basically a backstabbing as soon as useful, it's lived its useful life and which should serve as a lesson to, you know, everybody else. And that's how the Communist Party pretty much, you know, took power very shortly after World War II. So, and even though Mao was declaring his independence from 1938 to 1942, very quickly from 1942, especially after the war from 1945 to 1950, he was...
Speaker 1pretty much all the military strategy or their finance came from Russia. So right after that, he was, you know, kind of... pressed to go to fight the Korean War. And he was not willing, but he was forced to. So you tell there was tension, but nevertheless, it was completely within their... Even the production, industrial production, agricultural production, was under the Soviet regime, under their general planning and direction.
Speaker 1And not until 1960... after the Great Famine, when the whole land reform was put in place and caused an estimated 30 million of death, that there was a breakup between the Soviet regime, the international, so to speak, international communism and Chinese communism. But that's the other pitfall, which is even if you can live in isolation,
Speaker 1and no longer under the control of international, say, communism or whatever Judaic rule or whatever it is, their whole system, the whole mind control system, the whole education system, the whole, I guess, the power dynamics already set into hierarchy, their totalitarianism is already... setting the police state is already setting so even if you are not within their control you're kind of already still within their control um so that did not i mean that that that did not um kind of i mean it ran its course so to speak it's like by the end of it it was you know everybody started to kind of you know you see a little bit that in russia as well whereas people start to make
Speaker 1And, you know, we see that right now a little bit, too, where you kind of understand the propaganda is no longer working. People are already kind of, you know, getting very sarcastic about it, as usually when the regime is going to end. So that's how the disintegration of the whole CCP-type control ended. But fast forward, I mean, under this whole introduction of market economy into China,
Speaker 1you definitely see extreme, I guess, polarization of the society where the rich got, you know, still ponderously rich and decadent. And then you have the poor still definitely, you know, on the verge of just barely kind of making it. then there's some rethinking of the society as a whole. And she kind of, all of a sudden, their whole idea of socialism became more popular within China.
Speaker 1So it's very hard, let's say, like, if you look at their German regime, if you look at America now, like, you know, you see Nick kind of saying there, oh, we need to converge with, you know, the left. which is good and bad. And it's really hard to say, you know, where we should go, right? And it's very easy to get lost in the rhetorics and labels.
Speaker 1And it's very easy to buy into short-term solutions without understanding long-term ills. So it's a very hard question. That's a very long-winded... the answer to that, and then we can certainly delve into that a bit more. But anyway, I'll stop here for now.
Ian MalcolmNo, and Karen, that's such a phenomenal recap on the prior space. And I'll go and get that and put it in the purple pill for anybody that wants to listen to that prospectively at a future time, set it for a bookmark. And Karen walked through it in extensive detail as she actually has the background. One of the most interesting, Karen, we happened to do this
Ian Malcolmnot too long before Candace Owens came out with her Khazar commentary, and you walked through the entire backstory on that group of people, the conversion to Judaism, the, let's say, reputation of the Khazars prior to that, which was simply demonic, is probably the simplification that I would use. But this was a wonderful recap on the involvement of...
Ian Malcolmthe Russian and let's say internationalist Jewish bankers that funded the CCP. And it's very curious that, you know, they basically went in, they removed the four olds, they transformed it into something new that was very totalitarian in nature that ultimately withered. And then from that, you've seen kind of this rise of maybe a nationalistic and yet still labeled communistic China that's been...
Ian Malcolmyou know, if nothing else, it's seemingly been prospering, at least from the outside looking in. And in that prosperity, they've been increasing the, let's say, quality of lifestyle of the average citizenry by, you know, kind of supercharging the economy. And how that all is going to play out over the next couple of decades is to be seen, but really kind of interesting because it feels like, and we're going to go to Mr. Malleus here for his introduction and maybe some of his thoughts on what feels like the
Ian Malcolmthe final gasp, almost, of the American democracy and of its capitalistic free market system. And I say that not because I want that to be the direction the United States goes in, but it does feel like it's on life support. And we've seen the rampant money printing. What some people might suggest is the demise of, let's say, a real political system, the uniparty, whatever you want to call it.
Ian MalcolmAnd it feels like we're going the direction, perhaps, that China went under that communistic rule, at least in the short run. And so, Mr. Mallius, I'm kind of curious for not only your introduction for those that might not be familiar with your work, but also some of your thoughts on America. And then what we'll do, my friend, is to bring these things together and then kind of have yourself and Karen and bring in some additional voices, perhaps, if individuals want to contribute on how these two things are either becoming the same or vastly different still.
@malleusiggreat all right thanks um okay so first things first um so i promised uh ian and karen and a couple of people i think uh foundering i promised him a surprise in this space and so uh first thing uh when uh when we reach 500 people in the space if it's okay i'm gonna premiere a new song all right um so everyone retreat the space we get to 500 people when we get to 500 i'm gonna i'm gonna play the new song all right
@malleusigUm, and I've actually got three versions of this. I can't decide which one I like the best. So I'm going to have to ask you good people to help me judge. Maybe we'll play the next song with every hundred people to join. And then at the end, we'll have a poll or something. We'll see. Is that already in?
Ian MalcolmI love the interactive aspects here. So count me in. And friends that are listening, feel free to retweet and reshare. And let's get the audience in here for Rabbi and Karen that they certainly deserve. And again, just a real quick big thank you to Joanne for being up here as a co-host. Also for Daniel, for Tom, for so many others, for Tito especially.
Ian MalcolmI just want to give a big shout out to him, the video that he's been doing. Yeah, the AI video he did for this space. He's done a bunch for Truth Teller. Just lots of love to Mr. Tito Unleashed. I'll put that up into the nest so everybody can give him some love and a follow. But Rabbi, I didn't mean to interrupt you there.
@malleusigNot at all. Not at all. And then so that said, I'll give my take on the topic. So I am not anywhere near as knowledgeable on this topic as Karen is. I didn't grow up in China. I didn't escape communism. So I have no idea. What I can do is I can speak on my observances as an American. as a member of the West, as someone who watches the news, and I can tell you what I see.
@malleusigWhat I see is that America is not becoming the CCP. What is happening, as far as I can tell, is that the CCP was one side of an A-B test, of a multi-generational, multi-decade A-B test, where communist authoritarianism was on one side, and the liberal, hyper-individualistic West was on the other. And what I believe is happening is that the results from this A-B test, because the purpose was to test which method of control was the most effective to be rolled out for the entire world.
@malleusigYou essentially have two diametrically opposed methods of control. A-B test them, find out what parts of this one work well, what parts of that one work well. And at the end of the test period, you say to yourself, okay, this is what worked, this didn't. going to drop this and bring this in and what i think is happening is that the results from this a b test came in somewhere around 15 years ago and our unnamed overlords are currently transitioning the entire world into the model that emerged as the result of that successful a b test this is the this is an amalgam of the two polarities of two the two poles of uh
@malleusigovert thought and speech control which was the communist east and covert thought and speech control which is the materialistic west where there's no difference in the level of control over thought and speech the only difference is the methods that were used to get there in the communistic west coming sorry communistic east east germany china russia they used overt intimidation and coercion
@malleusigget people to limit their speech and their thought in the west we use marketing we embed subtle messaging into movies and television into music we distract we get people's attention away from the important points by making them seem uncool or less cool than the current thing that you know keisha is doing or that uh kim kardashian will call whether you know on a video somewhere or uh a certain
@malleusigA certain rapper took his, what can I only, what I can only describe as almost brain dead fiance into public wearing nothing but a body stocking, right? Like this is essentially how we control thought. We make any thoughts we don't want people to think seem uncool and people voluntarily censor themselves. And so that's, that's effectively it.
@malleusiginvoluntary like mandatory censorship over voluntary self-censorship and i think those are the two opposites that were being tested and uh they have their results and the results were used to create a new model that is comprehensive and that comprehensive model is currently in the first stages of being rolled out and that's what i believe we see here that's why you began to see the you saw the um
@malleusiguh compromise of pure communism that china for a very long time claimed to have and had something like it and then it began to adopt what they call you know communism with chinese characteristics was essentially just 85 capitalism with central control right um and then in the in the west what are we seeing communism we're seeing communism being marketed first to black people then to women sorry first to black women then to black men then to white women
@malleusigAnd then essentially, white women use their vagina power to coerce young white men into going along with it. And then it becomes a cultural modality. And so we're seeing basically both sides are closing in. It's less of a takeover, more of a convergence, right? In the same way that if you watch Apple and Windows, Windows, when they came up with a tablet PC, they were like, we're going to have this tablet PC just run Windows.
@malleusigAnd they just took their existing OS and stuck it on a tablet. And we all saw how well that went. Apple was like, oh, we're going to make basically an ideal OS just for the tablet and have an ideal OS just for the PC. And what do we see happening over the course of 10 years, right? 10 or 12 years, there's a conversion happening where the PC, the Mac is taking on tablet features and the tablet is taking on more Mac features.
@malleusigAnd essentially at the end of this five, 10 years in the future, supposedly we're going to end up with a unified os that is has been uh fault tested and will be much much more robust as a result of the slow integration and that's what i think we're seeing with government i think government is going through this uh this long period of fault testing of uh was it impact testing
@malleusigAnd then small changes, incremental changes are being made to create a much more robust form of mass control than either the communist CCP or the materialistic West. And so that's what I see. One thing that we have noticed during the time of this A-B test is the systematic weakening of religion from within. You notice that in the dual modality discussed, there's no element of spirituality or religion in there at all.
@malleusigThis is because spirituality and religion were only useful levers of social control when Europe was the whole world. Governing non-Europeans requires more direct methods, and this will sound unkind, but only Europeans seem to attach enough importance to the idea of a conscience that it can be used to control them. right we don't see we don't see africa china india we don't see places like this having this idea of a conscience that's keeping track of your your good deeds your bad deeds etc that can be used to control you by dangling the promise of an afterlife in front of you all right in fact what we have noticed is the systematic weakening of religion from within so this new modality not only does religion stop being
@malleusigthe useful level of control that it was in the medieval ages, it emerges as the greatest threat because religious people are on, they're unpredictable. Like they could just decide to do the right thing out of nowhere with no motivation, with no external motivation, no external reward, just out of the goodness of their hearts.
@malleusigAnd those people are fucking dangerous. All right. So we see our religious institutions being slowly powered down. Their official policies are weakened. They allow engaged, they allow in and nothing wrong with gays, but one of the things, that used to be in the Catholic church was you know you couldn't have gays in the church and for a long time we didn't really understand why now we're beginning to see why because you know whether it's the higher the higher incidence of child molestation that goes on with gay priests or the um the kind of like the slippery slope that for some reason has become very slippery and went straight from gays to
@malleusigOh, now we're going to have drag queens leading the homily, right? So these things, these barriers were put in there for a reason, and they're being taken down. The other thing is pedophiles are brought in, introduced into the church administration. Not only does this make it easier to control the church, but it also becomes something they can throw out to the public.
@malleusigThey go in, they offend, they're revealed as offenders. And guess what? Now the entire church is defamed by their presence and their activity. Meanwhile, pedophiles and less threatening religions are not publicized. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And the whole idea is made to look, the whole idea of religion is made to look as fake and gay as possible.
@malleusigSo with every generation of young people, more and more exit of their own free will into either atheism, hedonism, or even Satanism, which now... looks pretty cool compared to catholicism because of how dumb catholicism has been made into right you can't even they don't let you whack off for fuck's sake you know what i mean now you have this other group of people that'll let you engage in orgies and hey i'm 15 16 17 years old i know which one i'm taking so um that's my take in general terms right and again i went into spirituality so i'll pull back from that back to the communist and uh the governmental part but i do see this as
@malleusigvery much a long period A-B test where the goal was to find the most effective means of world control by playing the West and East against each other. And I'd appreciate, I'd love any thoughts on that.
Ian MalcolmNo, and that's the whole point of this round table, right? And what's so curious, Karen, maybe to throw it back to you here, what... Rabbi was just talking about that idea of breaking down, for example, religion. It feels to me like a lot of the things that the West has lost over the last 30 or 40 years have very much been in alignment with the four olds, right?
Ian MalcolmThis idea of religion, tradition, culture, history, the heroes of the past. And I'd be curious, Karen, for some of your thoughts on, especially with your expertise on the subject, those ideas of the olds. how they were essentially dismantled in China under the communists, and if that might be in alignment perhaps with some of the things that Rabbi was just saying about the breakdown of some of those other traditions that you see in the West, all the way to the point, like he was saying, that you've got individuals in drag in the middle of a church, right, which you would have thought would have been not only outside the realm of normalcy,
Ian MalcolmBut I wouldn't be surprised if they would have treated us a crime just a couple decades ago in the West.
Speaker 1Right. Yes. So it is not just, I would say, you can wrap the ethical system in religion or it could manifest itself in just, I would say, philosophical religion, such as Zen. Buddhism, such as Confucianism. So it's what I see there, what Jews did to the rest of the world through communism was not just an entire economic transformation of society.
Speaker 1not just what I call national looting, right? But also it's the biggest impact is really not just impoverishing everybody, but destruction of the core of the identity of other tribes. So, you know, whether it's their sinking of their priests, the burning of the churches and, you know, you know, raping of the nuns in Russia, or it is actually, you know, basically sometimes burying alive some of the religious leaders in the East, definitely destroying all the temples, decapitating the statues, and the big burning of, the literal burning of,
Speaker 1the scrolls, the texts that have been accumulated for thousands of years. So, and, you know, to the modern day of the Iraqi war, where you go into their grand library and just loot it all, right? So it is a destruction like no other. It's a... I would not call it socialism at all. We should really now, I guess, his group gathered here today.
Speaker 1We're all very clear that it is a tribal directive in the West more as a vengeance against their nemesis group in the East, more as kind of a conquest. I would also, I would always say that it is, you know, the means of their... the operation is mafioso, right? Like when I would see someone who's recently just anti-Zionist and do not even mention Jew has come to realize that we're ruled by mafia.
Speaker 1And just the last episode, I think last couple episodes ago of Canvas, she's talking about mafia as well. So I hear that word and now it's become more and more of a common term. So yeah, so the means of their power The kind of trades they're in, they all involve mafia trades, mafia operations. But to me, that's just the means to their goal, to their end.
Speaker 1And I am convinced, at least, that their end is the Noahide law, right? The Noahide order. And what is Noahide? You can say it is a form of their universal law. communism it is essentially everybody living with you know barely enough to survive you do not own anything um but you'll be happy right so and i just yeah elon musk was somewhat parroting that
Speaker 1line when he started talking about the ai future that you are gonna be happy you're not gonna be starving but there's still gonna be envy um so to speak there'll be others as ian's i think you responded to him and saying like you know Everybody's created equal, but some are more equal than others. So I believe whatever they do, they definitely are the supremacist race.
Speaker 1They are the unique race where they believe, you know, they somehow... are chosen to rule the world, right? And I do not know where that belief started coming from, because certainly it wasn't when they were still, you know, Kazakhs, even though they had a ferocious appetite. It wasn't necessarily something, I think, kind of after the Napoleon War or some successful campaigns where they managed to, you know,
Speaker 1overthrow some monarchs or et cetera, that he started to get this idea. And also right on the tide, popular then, of socialism. So that's what I believe. So I think, Rabbi, you're right in the sense that whether it's communism or whether it's capitalism, the end model is somewhat of a controlled environment where a population is
Speaker 1you know, kind of kept at a certain, you know, I guess, well, I guess they would decide how much they depopulate, right?
Speaker 2Well, yeah. They would decide, yeah.
Speaker 1Right, and who can be there, right? Like if you express belief in their transgenderism, et cetera. So I believe that's the future they get to, and they're going to do whatever possible in whatever ways, through carrots and through, you know, knives, they're going to get us there. So that's, you see a convergence, whether it's from their, you know, technocrat point of view, through technology to, you know, through surveillance, through control of our movement, through our,
Speaker 1weather, food, you know, vaccine, allocation resources to the minute part of we're not really actually buying any stuff. We're all doing subscription now. We encourage, you know, renting all the apartments, not owning, be able to own anything, et cetera. So that's what I'm getting at. Yeah.
@malleusigAnd essentially you control the population by simply killing anyone that is not what you want. So we become... We become livestock. We are going to be dealt with in the same way that livestock is culled and bred, livestock that do not exhibit the qualities that you wish in future livestock is prevented from reproducing and is killed off.
@malleusigAnd that is essentially what I believe they have in mind for us. Anyone that indicates, what's the passage? The best of the Gentiles shall be killed, right? That doesn't mean even the best of the Gentiles. That means specifically the best of the Gentiles should be killed. Yeah, speaking of that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, so going back to Ian's point, I mean, in terms of their... culture bearers of each tribe their other you know kind of subjects of their subjugation get killed um and so so um in essence i i would not say there i mean in china there isn't equivalent of kind of this or fear having no fear because i believe in the lord right like i know there's a higher truth um
Speaker 1even outside of the context of Christianity, I mean, there's a longstanding sort of tradition of, like, say, someone from my family's background would be like, we're from a long lines of shuxiangmendi. We're from roughly translated intelligentsia, but, you know, they're different. different aspects to it and you actually believe there's something called a backbone that you stand for principle that you have to honor that is the spirit that heritage and that that stands no matter what um so that kind of people would definitely uh kill that first what you know they because they tend to be more open with what what's on their mind so
Speaker 1But that's also, interestingly, after the fall of the Mao regime, there's a huge... I guess, emphasis on that among the Chinese populace. And that still is. And there was great nostalgia for the Nationalist Party era from the 1919 to the 1949 for those 30 years. It was like, you know, all the movies and all the novels, all the popular culture.
Speaker 1So there is a kind of longing for an era of people who have independent spirit to be able to freely express themselves, et cetera, and to honor all those families, the who's and the who's, who actually have longstanding, you know, heritage of, I guess, the spiritual life. So even outside of this religious, you know, context, there is kind of their resistance right there in the Eastern society.
Speaker 1And if you imagine going to a Japanese society, I'm sure, you know, it won't, meet with certain resistance and not just be, you know, very, um, I guess, practical minded, um, as the Japanese would think of the Chinese, um, more vulgar anyway. So, yeah.
@malleusigYeah. But the point that I was making is that essentially you are the, one of the crudest and unfortunately most effective ways to control thought is to simply kill anyone that has the capacity to engage in thought you do not want to happen. And that's what I see happening. I see with the vaccination programs, with the political targeting, with all this sort of thing, you're taking away the ability of anyone that has the capacity to engage in critical thinking, in seeing through your lies.
@malleusigAnyone has the ability to point out what's going on behind the curtain is simply being killed or sterilized. Look at the ratio of autistic girls that have undergone female-to-male transitioning. Effectively, you can look at the entire Transpanic as a campaign to sterilize young autistic girls. The ratios are so high. And what happens?
@malleusigYou're taking basically... the people that have the greatest ability to engage in objective, non-emotional thought, you're making sure they never, never have kids. You're making sure they never reproduce, never pass on their genes, and never have kids. They teach to look at the world through a critical, non-emotional lens.
@malleusigBecause you want more people that react to the world entirely emotionally. You do not want logical... thinking people to outpopulate the rest of those people, because those are the people you can't control. This is exactly the same thing the southern slave owners do with their slaves. One of the reasons we have, and I won't get into it too deeply, one of the reasons that we have the issues we have in the states right now is because the smart slaves were specifically either sold off or killed and were not bred.
@malleusigYou did not let the slaves... that were really good at thinking of ways to escape the plantation, that were really good at finding ways to unify and rile up the other slaves into slave rebellions. You did not breed those to make more copies. You took the slowest, dumbest slaves, and you bred them so that you had a larger population of easily controllable, malleable slaves to work with in the next generation.
@malleusigAnd that's exactly the plan they have for us. They want to do the same thing. to the entire world. But yeah, yeah, that's essentially it.
Speaker 1Just to kind of as a caveat, I totally agree. Definitely, I mean, definitely saw that. And just to kind of emphasize how critical that we recognize this breeding process might be, you could say the reason, I mean, that's... my theory at least, because I actually did a Trans-Siberian trip. I went through all across Russia and I spoke to a lot of people along the way.
Speaker 1So, I mean, the reason China bounced back from communism much better than Russia, I believe, is because Russia had been under their rule for over three generations.
@malleusigUnder whose rule?
Speaker 1under this communist rule, right?
@malleusigUnder communist, yeah.
Speaker 1Right, and China did not. So I, my grandparents still have memories from their youth, even my parents did, from outside of communist rule, right? And that was heavily loaded with traditional culture values. So it's important to... in some ways, for any resistance movement to stick around, you need to understand that, you know, I mean, even though they're, you know, the good will try and fight the end, the damage is very easy to setting just after one generation, let alone three generations.
Speaker 1So this breeding, the other thing is, I mean, just as a caveat, kind of not necessarily to kind of obscure the entire picture, the overall picture, but to say that I think there is a streak, it's this eugenic streak, right? It was very strong in their culture, in their Judaic, you know, Noahideic or Tomotic order. And I do believe that kind of thought of, you know, that, I mean, there is a certain respect for people who actually
Speaker 1half independent mind who can stand up to them um so so it's very interesting to observe obviously they want to co-opt those people right and they certainly yeah but it's like star wars you know even he will he will turn or die my master right will join us or die right right right right so so it's like you know when we decide what position to take it i always feel like and also looking back at the communist persecution history the ones that came out to resist early actually survived better than those who
Speaker 1initially went along with it and ended up being persecuted anyway, who actually committed suicide at a much higher rate than those people who saw through it from the very beginning. So I'm just saying it's an interesting game and it kind of affects our strategy to some extent.
@malleusigYeah. And that's that process of, you know, basically it's not just one thing. It's not just we're going to kill and imprison everyone that disagrees with us. It's also we're going to go in and we're going to find ways to bribe or intimidate or compromise the people that seem to have the most, you know, power, I guess, you know, power over more people and find ways to bring them onto our side, find ways to get them entrapped and to join our side, get them legally or karmically involved in
@malleusigAnd then the easy choice is to simply become one of us. And then their strength is added to our strength. And that seems to be a very key part of this. And so, you know, it becomes you can go from being the opposition to, oh, now you're drawing a check from these people very quickly. And I think with the, you know, for example, what we've seen in the Gaza-Israel conflict with the number of online influencers that have gone from being, you know, even mildly critical of Israel to...
@malleusigHey, I'm being given a free flight to Israel. And, you know, then they come back and they're suddenly very, very pro-Israel. You know, their minds are changed. Oh my God, I visited Israel and everything was so nice. It was completely not what the pro-Palestinian, jihadic, Hamas, homegrown chapters wanted you to think it was.
@malleusigYou know, it's a really good people. And now I completely defend their right. I'm totally on board with their right to defend themselves. And they just throw off at them. Again, it's like, okay, they were bought, you know, and everyone can see it now. But that's the process. And it isn't just Israel. It's everything. You know, I think that people have talked about how, you know, bankers, there was a couple of cases that I saw videos of when they were talking about this, where, you know, what they do with the bankers and the financial people is they get you with like orgies, right?
@malleusigIt's like they start inviting you to parties. higher and higher parties, and then you start getting invited to the real special parties with, like, the Satanists and the orgies and stuff. And then they have you at that level for a little while, and then they bring you gingerly up into the levels that are above that, where they start to abuse children or even kill children.
@malleusigAnd that's when, you know, the few voices that I've seen online talked about this. That's when they decide, whoa, okay, it's time to back the fuck out. All right, and... And they're the only reason we know those things exist. But that's how they get you in. They become your friends, quote unquote. And they're very good at this process.
@malleusigThey will take weeks, months, years to do it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, Trump has been groomed by Royal Kong for a very long time.
@jeremiamcwrightI heard that, yeah. That's so crazy you guys are talking about this because I feel like I just discovered a place where they do stuff like that in Texas. Like there was burn pits and the burn pits were being covered by like mulch and dirt and turned into like land kind of like terraforming over it. And there was like people's belongings in the burn pit.
@jeremiamcwrightAnd there was at least four people confirmed to have passed from quote unquote natural causes, but still don't know their names or how they actually died.
@malleusigIf you want to find out, plant roses in the earth because roses grow very well over human remains.
@jeremiamcwrightWell, I do a lot of that naturally, actually, funny enough. I was actually at the place I was going, you know, I had a mission to build earth ships and food forests for like, you know, like a cool little commune for struggling artists. need a cheap place to stay or like a free place to stay for a while right and so that was the idea i was going to go out there and do that and it's funny you mentioned that like the best of us are targeted because they tried to charlie kirk me too and i'm like a huge kind of cultural influence yeah i'm like a cultural like i'm an entertainer i play music i host a lot of open mics around town i start a lot of bands stuff like that you know
@jeremiamcwrightAnd I'm very vocal. Like, y'all have been kind of describing my situation for the last, like, 10 minutes or so. It's tripping me out.
@malleusigReally?
@jeremiamcwrightBut, yeah, they literally tried to Charlie Kirk me, and I recorded my escape from the ranch on GoPro and filmed it. And they didn't get me. I'm too fast.
Speaker 3Interesting.
@malleusigAll right.
@jeremiamcwrightIt happened, like, a couple months ago, back in October.
@malleusigHuh. All right. Well, let's see, Ian. Do you want to keep going with the discussion? Well, let's go to...
Ian MalcolmYeah, I was going to say, let's get some thoughts from Tom on this one. And I would be curious kind of for a roundtable on this discussion and the topic. And Proxy, not sure exactly what some of those claims were. Feel free to put, I guess, kind of supporting evidence into the purple pill just because it's a pretty outlandish claim there.
Ian MalcolmBut, hey, look, if that's the case, then God love you for getting away from whatever might have been coming your way. But with that being said, let's go to Mr. Tom.
Speaker 3Yeah, thanks. And just really briefly, the proxy party, if you do have that footage, it would be interesting to take a look at it. But yeah, I had a question for Karen, and it has to do with basically, how do you believe that they're going to spring this Agenda 2030 on everyone now that it's clear that no one's interested in owning nothing and being happy about it or pretending they are?
Speaker 3So, you know, obviously in the past, they've been moving their agenda forward through incremental measures and slow steps that get things moving in a certain direction, but fairly slowly, other than at certain points in time when they obviously move the ball forward in a more aggressive manner, like what we saw throughout the COVID years, or what happens, for example, when they have a convenient excuse, like 9-11, to create something like the Patriot Act.
Speaker 3And so my question is to all of you guys, actually, Ian, Rabbi, and Karen as well, do you guys think this is going to be a question of one or two major traps along the lines of what we lived through during COVID being sprung on the public in a way that surprises and overwhelms, or more of an incremental push through this strategic weakening of the US economy and the European economy and all this nonsense that's being done through extremely deceptive means.
Speaker 3For example, a self-defeating tariff policy that's more of a tax on U.S. citizens through inflation than it is a punishment to India for purchasing Russian oil, for example. So my question is basically, do you think it's going to be a big, horrible surprise, a one and done type of situation, for lack of a better way of explaining it, or a series of measures that slowly chip away at whatever's left of the quality of life that we all remember?
@malleusigIt's been everything. It's been all of that. It's a slow series of things that chip away, plus the outrageous Black Swan events that destroy things. It's just all of it.
Speaker 1Sorry, Karen. I've been wondering about it myself, Tom, because I do believe what is happening right now was not in that plan. I think they were definitely on a steady march to, you know, 2030, WAF 15-minute city with China-like digital currency and surveillance and social credit, et cetera. And I would say they, I mean, there's always, in the Chinese system, there's always kind of a negotiated space, great space in there, because afterward you are dealing with
Speaker 1Chinese, you know, kind of, I guess, controlling other Chinese, which is slightly different than, say, a tribe that's very hostile to the subjects and see them as their rival. So I would say there's inherent much more ruthlessness involved, sadism involved. But I would say they play long games, right? So you would say that they see this great awakening through the blowback of, you know, the Gaza events and the general distaste for their, I guess, taking over liberty.
Speaker 1But at the same time, they have all the timing already in place, right? They have already sacrificed the Red Hefa and they're ready for their third temple. So... So I think my personal thinking on that is we are looking at not a race against them, but a race against AI development. Because they already know, and we already know they know, even though they are very delusional people, but deep down they know that the MSM...
Speaker 1you know, general kind of hospital, like, you know, psyops and propagandas are no longer going to work. They're going to have a 9-11. Yes, they're going to kill many people, but we're going to just point a finger at Israel or point a finger at somebody. That's not their intention. It's just not going to work anymore. Or they're going to put up something and we're like, embassy staff, you know, dead.
Speaker 1Okay, I'm like, where's the body? So they were like, oh, this is a big sign-off. And they were like, okay, we're going to go to war because there's our external enemy. And we're like, no, we're not going to die for you. So I think... they are at a loss as to what to do. I think they are actually a little bit kind of scrambling.
Speaker 1And there are people who have been their propaganda soldiers for generations. They are set in a certain track. So they're not that flexible. They've got like trillions of dollars invested in all these mechanisms. So I would not say their enemy is... all that flexible right but at the same time they have known they've been known to play very long games so they are very good at just playing like i remember tucker saying that what's that cnn host who was
Speaker 1kind of nasty, Brian Stelter, is that his name? Anyway.
Ian MalcolmYeah, Stelter.
Speaker 1Brian Stelter, yeah.
@malleusigBrian Stelter.
Speaker 1Yeah, right, right, right. And Tucker's like, you know, Alex and I called him, and he was so sweet, and it's so weird. And I'm like, yeah, you know, playing Uriah is a very kind of key role they play. They really know how to play the retreat game, and they... you know, and play unthreatening. So I don't know. So the thing is, I think, to me, it's a race at the end of the day against AI.
Speaker 1And if they have enough AI, then they're going to be extremely ruthless with us. And everything's in the open. They're not going to play any psyops. They're not going to play sort of depressionist smash and grab. They're just going to do whatever it takes to actually achieve their goal. if they think they don't need us anymore.
Speaker 1If they think they still need us around for entertainment or for whatever, then they will do the slow game. That's my thinking.
@malleusigYeah, that's a pretty sobering thought. Yeah, yeah. They'll basically do whatever works. That's these people's motto. Whatever works, right? They're not committed to a given timeline. They're not committed to a given method. They've learned that, and this is what Genghis Khan learned, is you can't get attached to one method of control.
@malleusigYou can't get attached to one method of conquest. You have to be very fluid. You have to be ready to adopt other methods, even the methods of your enemies. As a matter of fact, this is one of the things that I end up lecturing people on, is we have to be ready to take the methods of our enemies and to figure out how to do them better if we're going to win against them.
@jeremiamcwrightone of my favorite topics. I love the idea of calling people, you know, either anti-human when they start talking about war that's anti-humanist speech you know and like maybe making a list of them making like a you know how they have like the anti-semitic awards what if we had like an anti-humanist award like anti-human award every year i think that name calling is going to be of limited efficacy if you don't actually have the control that idea you know you can extend that idea as far as you want you know yeah
@malleusigBut again, the only reason name-calling works at all is because they control the media. And they're able to turn a simple name-calling into a full-scale defamation campaign.
@jeremiamcwrightYeah, no doubt, dude. I'm just using public internet-friendly language.
@joann_marieSo, Proxy, can you... We have hands, so can you please raise your hand and we'll go to you?
@malleusigThank you so much. I don't see hands at all, Joanne.
@joann_marieWho has a hand, though? I think Life in China does, but you guys can keep the conversation and after you guys are done, we can go for them.
@malleusigNo, no, go ahead, Life in China.
@boden2023Hey, guys, I appreciate having me. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time. Something came up that I actually need to address. But I noticed that the title was America Becoming the CCP. But one thing specifically, I believe it was Karen had mentioned, was the social credit score. And I just want to mention, I mean, I live here.
@boden2023I live in Chongqing, China. I've been here for over seven years, actually coming up on eight years now. I'm married to a Chinese woman. I've got a lot of Chinese friends. And I've never heard, and they've never heard of this social credit score thing that the West seems to talk about quite a bit. So I'd like to hear from Karen what her understanding of this social credit score so that I can at least share my experience so that we can kind of come to an understanding that it's not quite as what the West says.
Speaker 1Well, first of all, I mean, I would say divide the expats in China into two categories. One is, you know, definitely has always been quite skeptical of China. And there is the other camp, which is definitely loving everything about China. And I'm not saying they're... I would say that that's a genuine feeling for a lot of people, but there are also those who are there to kind of spread what they believe is the blessings.
Speaker 1Okay, so I'm not saying you fall into either of these camps, but I'm just saying there's definitely... I don't know if you've heard about these apps where all their... CCP party members have to click every day to kind of report, record their scores. And based on that, their promotions are determined. In essence, a lot of professions now, for the first time in, say, three decades, were required to have CCP membership in order to even take on those jobs, such as, you know,
Speaker 1Judges, that profession has always been more kind of requiring that membership, but then teachers and then even ordinary lawyers have to even partner as private law firms have to write their allegiance to the party. And all of them have to click through these study programs and score certain scores in order to get credits, in order to get promotions.
Speaker 1So there's much harder control since 2018. And that kind of culminated in COVID where people were literally locked indoors and the whole social credit system of having apps or, you know, everything in the current days is used wasting their PayPal, I mean, the equivalent of PayPal system there. So their banking system is based on the social credit reporting.
Speaker 1As to how many cities are in actually experimental stage with that, I do not know for sure, but there have absolutely been different, you know, kind of putting the implementation in different stages. So that said, has it always been, like I said, the thing with China is there are always gray areas. You would... it's kind of a deliberately gray area so that when they do need to get it tighter, they can reel you in very easily.
Speaker 1But they will give you a lot of leeway as well, especially in, say, a city like Chongqing or Chengdu, slightly less under that control. But then if, say, Chongqing is under the control of Xi's former rival, and then it becomes... area of their focus, then everybody could be nabbed based on a very minute detail, minute set of laws to getting forced.
@boden2023Everybody could be, I'm sorry, everybody could be what?
Speaker 1Sorry, what?
@boden2023Everybody could be nabbed? Is that what you said?
Speaker 1Yeah. I'm just saying like... Nabbed? I mean like... you know, like fined or put in prison or censured, et cetera.
@boden2023So like... And censored and fined for what?
Speaker 1For, you know, fractions over a small detail of a law, a set of law that's maybe sporadically enforced.
@boden2023What I'm saying is... Can you give me specifics of what you're talking about?
Speaker 1say a tax law, right? They can say, okay, on this set, you need to pay this tax or you need to actually get this permit, right? For a longer time, they may not enforce it. But when that area needs to be, that person in charge needs to be taught a lesson or that whole region needs to be to have certain implementation of policies, then all of a sudden these laws are on the books.
@boden2023Can you give me specifics on that, like examples?
Speaker 1Well, I just gave you one, such as, say, for a permit for getting electricity or something like that. I have worked with many companies in China, and I would say there isn't even one company that's clean. that was in compliance on all the laws, right? I do not know what area you worked in. Like, what is your profession such as?
@boden2023Well, I'm a consultant in many ways under my Chinese company that I started up probably three or four years ago. But my main focus is doing voiceovers.
Speaker 4Oh, okay. Yeah.
@jeremiamcwrightThat's cool.
@boden2023You can think of it as a regular credit score, like a financial credit score. Yeah. I just want to say that there's no social credit score. Karen, I don't know if you've said this or not, but I've heard it on quite a few spaces that I've gone on where they talk about if you cross the street, then you'll get a ding on your score and it'll bring it down and you won't be able to do... No, there's not.
@boden2023No, it's not.
Speaker 4Okay.
@boden2023No, no, there's not. I live here. I'm married to a Chinese woman, and I'm very ingrained in the Chinese community, and it is not here. I've asked about it on multiple occasions, and it's not here.
Speaker 1Yeah, there is. Okay.
@boden2023No, there's not. There's not, Karen. I'm sorry, but you are incorrect.
Speaker 1Okay. Let me talk. Yes.
@boden2023Sure, talk, but I'm just telling you, you're wrong because I live here.
Speaker 1And I know. I live in China from 2006 to 2012. I mean, 2017. Okay. I actually worked extensively. I mean, I was living in California and in Shanghai. And I worked how many companies? I both state-owned and private companies. And I can tell you, your service, your trade is not restricted, okay? But there are many areas that you cannot go into, such as if you want to go into the education business, you're not allowed, okay?
Speaker 1So for- What?
Speaker 1Sorry, what did you say?
@boden2023So you're saying I can't, you- You're saying I can't, I couldn't, if I wanted to trade, if I wanted to, let's say I wanted to stop doing voiceovers. I do blockchain, by the way, as well as it's one of under my scopes, but that's a whole nother subject.
Speaker 4Yeah, blockchain, exactly.
@boden2023So if I wanted. Yes. Go ahead. So if I wanted to go into education, you're saying that I couldn't go into education.
Speaker 1Correct. Because it's heavily restricted. You have to do it through a Chinese company. All right. And you cannot own.
@boden2023No.
Speaker 1Okay, so I'm just saying.
@boden2023No, I know several people who are foreigners.
@joann_marieOkay, life in China, but it's better. I'm just saying she just continues to say stuff that is not true. You can repeat her after this.
Speaker 1Okay, I can tell you I was a partner at a major law firm, okay, and I advised on the laws in China, although I would do it through a Chinese company, I mean a Chinese law firm, okay, but I'm... As from representing my American clients, I am intimately aware of what is allowed, what is not allowed. Okay. So I think I do have some authority to speak on such matters.
Speaker 1Okay. You can try. You can go.
@boden2023You left in 2017. You left in 2017. If I wanted to start up an education company, I could very well do it. My wife and I have talked about it.
Speaker 1Yes, you can. Yes, you can. I'm going to say you will never get any investor because you're going to lose all the money. Okay?
@boden2023I highly suggest to you... Who needs an investor when I can fund itself?
Speaker 1First of all, if you're doing crypto and you're not a regulator, you're doing it possibly illegally.
@boden2023I'm not doing crypto. I've got a blockchain company.
Speaker 1I know. If you're a blockchain, you're heavily, heavily, even more regulated. Okay? Unless you have a company right now incorporated in Virgin Islands, registered possibly in Hong Kong. And even there, it's very restricted because one of my friends was a founder of the earliest tech, of the earliest blockchain and coins in China.
Speaker 1Okay, I'm just saying to you, you do not know what you're talking about, okay?
@boden2023Yes, I do. I live here. And I'm a business individual.
Speaker 4Okay.
@boden2023Well, you can make up all the bullshit that you want, but you're incorrect. You should jump off now and, you know, Ian, you should probably bring up somebody else who knows what they're talking about.
@jeremiamcwrightOkay, but what you're doing is I'm talking over her. You should let her finish and she's actually bringing up information.
@joann_mariePatrick, and she's also the guest, so please have some respect.
@boden2023She's making up stuff. She's making up stuff, so I just want to say that. She's just making up stuff. There's an expat that lives here.
Speaker 1I'm absolutely fine with giving you my name, my credential. And if you give me yours as well, I highly suspect you will not be able to and you would not want to.
@boden2023Shoot me a DM and I'll be happy to talk to you and talk to you more in detail.
Speaker 1Yes, but I'm just going to tell you, you have only been there for a few years in a business that's inconsequential as far as Chinese regulatory regime is concerned. Even there, depending on the subject of a voiceover, If it is actually a media, it's heavily regulated. A foreigner cannot easily get into that field, into the media field.
@boden2023Yes, you can. You could just go to the local municipality and apply for the business. And then you can put about 20 different, you can put about 20 different scopes in it. If you want to, if you want, I'll be happy to send you my certified certificate that I would hang on the wall in my office.
Speaker 1I understand. But if you start broadcasting, then you are not, actually. If you just do the voiceover.
@boden2023Oh, I'm not broadcasting.
Speaker 1I'm doing voiceovers. If you're doing broadcasting or you're doing publishing, then I'm going to tell you, no, you need a license. Okay? If you don't.
@boden2023Karen, Karen.
Ian MalcolmI would agree with you on that. Hang on, hang on. Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. Because you're doing voiceovers, which if not used for some kind of broadcasting, is used for what? For private companies?
@boden2023I've done four movies. I've done four seasons of cartoons and a bunch of pilot series that we're working on with a major... animation company here in China.
Speaker 1I'm telling you.
@boden2023So is it being broadcasted? It's being broadcasted into the United States on YouTube.
Speaker 1Yes.
@boden2023It's being broadcasted on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're not in China.
@boden2023I am in China.
Speaker 1No. Well, you're making up shit again. No, let me finish. You're not broadcasting in China. You're broadcasting in the States, which is fine. But if you're broadcasting in China... No. And I'm just going to speaking to you as my mother was actually a very well-known movie director. Okay. My family knows the Chinese entertainment industry extremely well.
Speaker 1Okay. And I actually represented Studio 8 in its joint venture, one of the first joint venture with Chinese company in Hollywood. Okay. So I'm just saying in terms of their restrictions on the entertainment industry, I know very well. OK, so so I don't want to go into this. It's very clear to me that you do know China all that well.
Speaker 1You're understanding.
@boden2023Sure. Thank you.
Speaker 1Yes. All right. So if there's a specific question, you can ask me. But if you're done, if I already answered you, if you don't have any more, then I guess we can talk to you.
Speaker 5Yeah. Karen, what are your thoughts on AI and how it's shaping the Bay Area currently?
Speaker 1Oh, yeah. Great. Thank you.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, it's definitely very hot in town. It's driving up the housing price. So, you know, I have friends who actually invest in early stage AI companies. I mean, the consensus is not going to actually be built out to be what everybody thinks it might be. Like, you cannot really replace humans.
Speaker 5Do you use AI on... like a day-to-day basis or.
Speaker 1Yeah. And I mean, for my, I mean, I'm sort of retired. I mean, I kind of do like, you know, home improvements and do woodworking, whatever, but, um, But I don't necessarily need AI for that. But I would say even the Berkeley graduates in computer science are having a hard time finding jobs these days because of AI. So it is absolutely having an effect.
Speaker 5Are you pro-AI regulation?
Speaker 1I absolutely, I mean, I sided with Elon Musk against their kind of our chat GP guys. I mean, not the chat, the open AI guys, right? So I absolutely think there should be rules, especially when it comes into the consumer sphere in, you know, in home use. There's going to be a great concern as to, you know, how it's going to interact with humans, what kind of commands it's going to take, you know, that invasion into the privacy, et cetera, especially after we have actually dealt with growth.
Speaker 1and seeing lie after lie with hidden bias.
Speaker 5Everybody can see that Gwen is far less powerful than Grok. Obviously, whoever makes the test gets to make up the results, but are we really going to pretend like Grok isn't the best model out there?
Speaker 1Well, I'm saying it's kind of a graphic capability. It's pretty spectacular, right? So I'm just saying I think it's here to stay. As to how much it's going to replace humans, I'm not so sure. And people who actually invest in the sphere do believe that it's got its limitations. But right now it's all the buzz, right? It's kind of a boom-bust town in some ways.
Speaker 1The whole tech industry in the Bay Area is kind of like that. We don't know.
Speaker 5Did you just say the tech industry is a boom and bust town?
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, when you, because it's so industry kind of one-dimensional, right? So like in 2002 and 2004, almost, you know, layoff is industry-wide, right? So it's...
Speaker 1Like you could have two people working in the same industry. Yeah.
Speaker 5Ship in talent from around the world because there's no Americans that are willing to do the hard work.
Speaker 1Right. Here's the thing, right? I mean, when I first came to the States, I actually was very, very concerned with just how much, because, okay, here's the thing. Like we look to see CP and say, look, they build these bridges. They build these cities are so, you know, clean, you know, et cetera. Right. And if we do not have to deal with this sort of inane kind of Democrat policies or these wars perpetrated by the Republicans, then we would have that as well, etc.
Speaker 5That's very interesting.
Speaker 1But at the same time, I mean, certainly from my point of view, I understood that there is... you know, the more ultra-nationalist faction in China that did want to take the dollar, I mean, the renminbi to the world and was very conscious of the fact that America is underwritten by the dollar.
Speaker 5Do you feel that America is at a time where it has to sell out to a particular party?
Speaker 1No. So I think right now it's very clear to us it's a uniparty. But I guess what I'm saying is there is, I mean, we, or speaking as American, should not really necessarily model after China in that respect. We can make our talking points just like Tucker can make the talking points of Moscow's subway system, right? I mean, I was there.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's beautiful. It's very art deco. But at the same time, that was also put in at the height of the Bolshevik totalitarianism. So what I'm saying is China still represents a threat to America, especially in terms of the utilization of the American academic resources, not just on campus, not just in college campuses, but also in corporate campuses.
Speaker 1and absolutely there's espionage there's this sort of like taking whatever the training here and going back there and having a competing product or industry right so i mean it shouldn't be a you know kind of a um delusion that somehow there america can side with ccp against or china against certain things i mean americans should just
Speaker 1pray that there would not be an open war with China, that they just keep themselves within their own borders and not become aggressive, which they haven't been, and I hardly doubt they would be, unless you have Jews going up there and wanting to stir up any kind of confrontation. But the long and short of it is, I think, the whole reliance on foreign...
Speaker 1talent in ai or the whole argument that we are in a competition with china which is true for over ai talent therefore we need to give out more visas therefore we need to hire more you know foreign workers it's absolutely not a long-term strategy first of all second of all as i said these same talent when the economy and the boom bust cycle of the second valley
Speaker 1they would all very, very willingly go back to China and take the technology with them. And then when there's, say, a COVID lockdown, they will all come back to the Bay Area and want to avoid there. So it's a very opportunistic crowd. I cannot speak for them. for the Indians, but I can certainly speak about the Chinese, the East Asians, whether it's the Taiwanese or the mainlanders.
Speaker 1And on top of that, I should be very, very, very frank that the Indians are exceptionally nepotistic in the Silicon Valley, extremely nepotistic.
@malleusigAnd just to add to that point, Karen, what you see with population changes is that population changes go up and down like a wave. And just the fact that people love to take like a trend and extract and like extend the line out until it goes to zero or like a million. And that's not the way this happens. What happens is populations will collapse, but they will collapse for a limited time.
@malleusigAnd then at a certain point, they will rebound. Because what happens with fewer people, you have more resources available to those people, things like rents and land prices, food prices. go down because now you have fewer people to compete for them when that happens you have a stabilization of the population and then after a while you have a growth you have new growth in the population what they're doing by inviting in all of these illegals all these third worlders into our country is they're plugging up that opportunity for us to enjoy the rebound
@malleusigThat rebound will come, but the benefits of it are going to be sucked up by all these illegal third-worlders that are now here. They're going to block the rest of us from being able to participate in that. And that's the real goal of bringing them in.
Speaker 1Right. And I think it's even more sinister than that. I do believe that, I mean, I don't, I mean, maybe some of them, it was out of this sort of... kind of thinking that, you know, we need the labor force. But, you know, aside also from the more sinister ecology plan, I, you know, kind of, I mean, of course, there is not really proof, but it's my belief there are nihilistic people that at the core of their being, they're of destruction, right?
Speaker 1And I would say that they...
Speaker 1they define the world in a kind of a zero sum game and they define, I would say they're, you know, it's kind of like on one hand, because they're so dead set on certain things, they're so vengeful, they're so, know kind of a goal-oriented um they're so morally relative uh relativists um that they can accomplish a lot more but the drive is towards not really growth but it tries to towards death and what you know with other populations they may not be so
Speaker 1kind of so dead set on those goals and they more enjoy kind of the moral aspects of life and they breathe more life. So... Yeah.
@malleusigGo ahead. I was going to jump in and agree with you to a point, but the problem is if you have people or a culture that is focused on death as an ideal, that culture is of limited utility and it will be outperformed by the culture that is... Not it's not for death or for life, but it's strictly utilitarian in how it approaches the in group and the out group.
@malleusigSo you have what I think the real problem is you have people that are for life for them and death for you. Right. Death for an elf. Right. Those are the people that are the real problem. Those are the people that are like, well, you know, we want to maximize our access to resources. We want to own everything. For that to happen, we need to take it away from everyone else.
@malleusigThey all need to die or to be reduced to a manageable population size. And then we need to find a way to get them to trick them or convince them to give us their assets. And that's what I see happening. I don't really see a culture that is just obsessed with death as an ideal to be the real problem.
Speaker 1Right, right. Yeah, so I guess to go back to kind of a more practical aspects of it, I believe the way forward, I mean, I mean, while we have sort of this struggle with their, you know, kind of their Israel crowd, there is at the back burner how to deal with China and what to take from it and how to thrive as sort of this anti-death cult, anti-WEF kind of society.
Speaker 1And I do believe that the only way forward is to have a bypass economy, bypass system, and to simultaneously kind of make up for, you know, sort of this lack of, I would say, I actually have done a post before that. that kind of looked into this a little bit, which is the college admission. And we know because one of my friends actually was in part of their Harvard lawsuit where they kind of, you know, expose some of the stats behind admission process.
Speaker 1So, I mean, at the time it was more against the quota, against Asians and whites. But, I mean, what it reviewed was actually the Jewish admission into Ivy League was consistently a quarter. And whereas the white, I mean, Jews embedded into the white population, the entire shrinking of the white quota literally meant that the non-Jewish whites went down by the largest margin.
Speaker 1And also when they do admit, say, Asians or whites, they tend to pick those who profess they're transgender, they're queer, they are of a certain Marxist ideology. So they pick those people to kind of get admitted. They're either more kind of loyal to them, pledge allegiance to them, or just not really going to useful ends, right?
Speaker 1So... So, I mean, it's very hard to kind of just, I mean, cannot be like, you know, Nazi Germany and just kick everybody out and say, well, why are you heavily represented? And take up like one quarter of all their teaching staff and, you know, squeeze out all the Germans, which they're rightful thing to do. But I don't think that's going to necessarily happen in America.
Speaker 1So, I mean, I don't know. So on one hand, you have these people that squeeze you out. On the other hand, you have to compete with the wage earners of all these other countries, whether in their home country or coming to America. I think the only way to deal with that is to bypass that entirely or forget about their admission.
Speaker 1And as I actually went into UC Berkeley initially talking to their dean of engineering and say, hey, stop admitting all these Chinese students.
Speaker 2Yep.
Speaker 1But then I... And the thing is, what I found out... Karen, there's already a quota.
Speaker 6They only let in, like, up to, like, 20%. Chinese students, actually, the qualified ones, get discriminated against because they want to let in, like, well, let's just be honest, blacks and others, not to help white people, but to let in, well, lesser qualified others through affirmative action. So they're discriminated against.
Speaker 1The thing is, though... You're absolutely right, but... So many colleges and universities in America are dependent on foreign student money. And that's what Trump was alluding to. So their administrative budget bloated so much that they have to take in all these foreign students in order for them to be... you know, not going bankrupt.
Speaker 1So, so.
@malleusigThat's why the first step is, is going through and gutting the administrative departments. Yes, exactly. Professors, professors are the lowest in priority when it comes to pay.
Speaker 4Exactly.
@malleusigYou get, you get these like mid-level managers or administrators that are sucking up all the money in the university. And when that happens, then like, what is it? Like foreign students pay like double tuition or something, right? So it's like, then foreign students become.
Speaker 4Yes.
@malleusigYeah. Foreign students become the crack cocaine that like everyone just needs to get more and more of just to keep the place going. And that's why you have this issue because Chinese students are the ones that are the most willing to pay these insane, the rich Chinese families are the ones that are willing to pay this money to send their kid over to Stanford or whatever.
Speaker 2Right.
@malleusigAnd that's why fewer of them is a good idea. Right. I mean, they're essentially national security risks.
Speaker 1Yes. So. I mean, I went into basically saying, hey, you know, these are squeezing out native Californian students. OK, like including Asian California students. So so and also they presents definitely national security risk. So so but. The long and short of it is, but what got reviewed to me, what got exposed in that dialogue with them was to say, he's saying, you know, I was looking to it, but my power only extends to graduate students or the undergrad students.
Speaker 1The universities do not admission office parcel out these admission procedures to outside third parties. And that was very strange. Like, nobody actually looks into, like, who these are, right? Like, I mean, they're definitely paid by public school money, but what criteria to use, et cetera. It's very opaque. So what I'm saying is, if you're going to wait for the Ivy League to admit you, it may not come through voluntarily whatsoever, right?
Speaker 1So there needs to be some kind of bypass system, just like X is a bypass system for MSN. And there might be a bypass education system for all those people. But absolutely, there needs to be emphasis on STEM. Absolutely. You know, sort of traits. The thing I looked at the Russian history of how the Jews were given full.
Speaker 1you know, citizenship. They were invited to integrate into Russian society, but they declined. Their elders of their chattels, they declined because they said, well, Jews do not go into the army. We do not want to get drafted. Okay. So, but then Tsar came out with this policy that said, if you're a professional, that you can avoid military service.
Speaker 1And all of a sudden, the universities, all these Russian institutions got swarmed by, you know, Jews, dominators like dentistry, you know, pharmacists, doctors, lawyers, et cetera. So which, I mean, retro is kind of a silly policy, but I'm just saying there should be some kind of swarming strategy. And even if it's not the top universities, but anyway, so I just, my two cents.
@joann_marieYeah. Hi, everyone. Thank you so, so much for being here. And Ian, amazing space. Thank you so much for hosting. And Rabbi, amazing. And Karen, thank you so much for being here. It's such an important topic. And guys, please repost the space. Follow Ian and Rabbi and Karen and the amazing, amazing speakers in the panel.
@joann_marieAnd yeah, I'm just really happy to be here. If we get to 500... Rabbi is going to show us his new song.
@malleusigI'm so excited for this. When you said Rabbi is going to show us, my mind went somewhere completely different for a second.
@joann_marieNo! No!
@malleusigThat's how you get fewer people in the space. That's how you get people to leave. Mass exodus. We're not hitting 500 now.
Ian MalcolmBut no, and for what it's worth, Karen, I'd be curious for some of your thoughts because I just put up Santino when you were having the little back and forth with that individual. And I did not, frankly, want to go too far down the rabbit hole that he was looking to go. It just seemed like a large distraction. But while you were having that back and forth with him, he was making the statement that there were no requirements, no rules, regulations, or I guess other –
Ian Malcolmlet's say, legislation around content creators that are pushing things out in China. And Santino shared in the Purple Pill, and I put up Into the Nest, that China's influencer scene may be affecting the rest of the world because creators in China will need credentials to talk about professional topics, including medicine, law, finance, and education.
Ian MalcolmNo degree or no certification, no posts. essentially. So looking to limit or throttle, and this goes back to the very, I guess, top of the conversation, this idea of controlling the masses, right? And I can completely envision, and it's actually a perfectly timed statement because it appears like X is now going to be rolling out their location or geographic information on users.
Ian MalcolmAccording to Dominic Trippi, that went live within the hours. So you're going to start seeing... All of those posted on individuals' pages, I guess. So it'll be a big lull to my haters that have suggested I'm somewhere other than I'm not. But nonetheless, I bring it up because, Karen, it's my belief that where they're going to try and take all of social media is basically to further firewall...
Ian Malcolmthose that get big audiences, to ensure that those that speak about things that go against the mantras of the party, in particular in the West, and I think we're clearly seeing this on X, where the pro-Zionist shill slop is just everywhere. It feels like what they're going to do is to take somebody like, for example, a Nick Fuentes and say, he's a 27-year-old commentator.
Ian MalcolmHe does not have nearly the credentials of Ben Shapiro. And so Ben Shapiro should get treated in the algorithm far differently and have far more reach, while Nick Fuentes should be pushed into the corner because, again, what does he know? He's not a quote-unquote expert. And they're actually already doing this in the White House, right, where they are basically setting up their own press corps, and they offer an invite to Tim Pool with his little beanie and his yarmulke underneath it.
Ian MalcolmBut real reporters that want to ask real serious questions are, of course, gatekept. And so I'd be curious for your thought on those two general observations and perhaps this new move that they're making in China, which does go and kind of lend credit to the perspective or point of view that you had in terms of who can and can't make content within China.
Speaker 1Yes, I can tell you that because I represented a lot of gaming companies in China and talk spaces, social media companies. So it is I basically I was a captive market lawyer. So these companies wanted to go public in the US. So, I mean, you would do these due diligence. And I can tell you every there is a backdoor to. every one of these companies has a backdoor to the police department, to the security department, security bureau.
Speaker 1So, you know, so whoever is like, whether it's a talk space, there's like spicy spaces, you bet there's somebody watching. So that is a given. So in terms of credential, yeah, I mean, that credentialing process is also heavily, censored i mean china did experience a kind of a wild west kind of a growth everything goes kind of period for about 20 years um and ever since she came you know came on it's definitely be a lot more clamped down on everything that does not go with a part of your agenda but they tend to not
Speaker 1go as bureaucratic. I mean, on some level, they're extremely bureaucratic, but on some other levels, they tend to take a back seat unless there is a party directive coming down to clamp down on a certain area. Then it becomes an excuse, such as credential, such as your... know like they could say like today they could give you a space to talk about medicine tomorrow they can say that you are actually pushing pseudoscience so it's in a in a lot of ways it is just like the covet doctors right like when any doctor speaks up against the covet policy then all of a sudden your brand is unscientific so
Speaker 1So, yes, it's credential. It's definitely just another way, another lever, just like all layers of law to kind of just puppeteer different actors that they want to animate a certain point when it's to their advantage and, you know, kind of dampen some other time. So, yes, absolutely. We see that coming up in America as well.
@malleusigYeah, it's basically censorship, but with more steps to make it look like it's not censorship. So if you if you we've been conditioned through movies to think that censorship looks like a man showing up with the Gestapo at your door and saying, you will come with us. You have said things against the government. Right. We think that's what it has to look like for it to be called censorship.
@malleusigAnd it doesn't. And what essentially what what is just like you said, it's a cycle where you've got someone like. What was his name? The COVID doctor. The guy that invented or was a part of the team that invented the RNA.
Ian MalcolmRobert Malone, I think is who you're referring to. Who is it, Ian? Robert Malone.
@malleusigThat's the guy. Thank you. Rob Malone. Someone like Rob Malone, who was perfectly fine for his entire career, right? And he was a legitimate doctor and had awards. He had patents on the delivery system from RNA. And as soon as he said one thing out of line... And suddenly he's a raving lunatic. He's practicing quack science.
@malleusigHe is a pseudoscientist, right? He's a crazy man. And now nothing he says should be believed. Why? Well, he said that, you know, the COVID vaccines were not safe or effective. And so obviously that makes him a lunatic. And why is he a lunatic? Well, he's a lunatic because the COVID vaccines were not safe and effective.
@malleusigSo it's a loop. It goes around in a circle. It's the same thing with people like David Irving, where it's like David Irving was a completely well-respected historian. He was one of the most respected historians for his entire career until he dared to contradict not the whole Holocaust, not even the whole thing. He dared to contradict certain parts of the manufactured Holocaust narrative.
@malleusigAnd then suddenly, oh, he's an anti-Semite Holocaust denier. And that means that everything he says is not to be believed. Why? Oh, because he's an anti-Semitic Holocaust desire. Well, why is that? Well, because he said that these parts of the Holocaust narrative were unsubstantiated by historical data.
Ian MalcolmIt's what plants crave, Rabbi.
@malleusigIt's what plants crave, exactly. He said it doesn't have electrolytes.
Ian MalcolmI hope people get the reference, and I'm glad you did. I knew you would, Rabbi.
@malleusigYeah, he said Brando is not what plants crave. Burn him. Right. It's like so it's like it essentially turns into it's this one mechanism you see used over and over again. And it's it's just a very, very transparent trick.
Speaker 4Right.
@malleusigSo I just Tito just told me that we're five or six people. So whenever you want to play the song, we'll jump that in. Go ahead. Sorry.
Speaker 1I'll just make this point and you can sing your song. Yeah. So I guess. What I'm trying to say is, I mean, we can envision it as kind of a Judaic system we're living in right now. It's, you know, it's sort of like truth is not that relevant. Fair procedure is not all that relevant. What is relevant is sort of at the discretion of the ruler for the policy that they want to implement.
Speaker 1So, I mean... Is that entirely Judaic? I would say it's shared by probably all more arbitrary regimes throughout history, but it is more of a kind of a Judaic trait that can be differentiated from, say, the more puritanical or more kind of a, I would say, Germanic or Nordic kind of or I would say the Anglo-Lutheran kind of code of sticking to fairness and reason and honesty.
Speaker 1So, I mean, it's not pure, obviously, either way, but there is that differentiation. So we are in that land and, you know, China is in that land, even if it kind of took leave of their, you know, pure direct control, it's still under that mind control.
@malleusigYeah. Yeah. All right. Are you, so are we okay to play the song? You guys good?
Ian MalcolmYeah, absolutely. I think what we can do, and I know we've got Mr. Truth Teller in here, and I know he's got a space coming up. And so what I figured I'd do is check in with him really quickly on his timing and scheduling. And then that'll give us a sense of what kind of window we have. And what we'll be able to do is then debut this song I'm very excited for, for Mr.
Ian MalcolmRabbi. And then we can go through a couple more little final hands, get some closing words, and then we'll wrap this down just in line with Mr. Truthteller opening his up. And it'll be a nice little flow from one to the other if that works for him.
Speaker 6Yeah, absolutely. How are you doing, Truthteller? Yeah, happy to support the space and be discussing the Trump-Clinton and Epstein connection since they're so keen on trying to delineate the two. But they actually have much in common. Many decades. of worth of collaboration that I'll be discussing, including support for election campaigns.
Speaker 6So the hypocrisy is real. Trump's going after Democrats for their past relationship with Epstein. Guess what? You were a Democrat for four decades, supporting multiple Democratic candidates, including the ones you condemn now. So again, it's only these megatard influencers. I try to post as much as I can, pointing this out to them with evidence, rarely get a response.
Speaker 6Yeah, I figured why not do a deep dive on that. And then the brilliant individual who did that rant that I played for you guys a couple nights ago, he said he may be coming up tonight, so I'll be interviewing him as well. So that's the plan for tonight. And I look forward to Rabbi's song. Thanks, guys.
@malleusigThanks. Look forward to your space. It's excellent. All right, so this is the first time anyone's ever heard this. The name of the song is Still Better.
Speaker 7childhood memories the tree house the space behind the stairs uncle jeremy watching me while my parents weren't there decades later i told this to my therapist when the images came flooding back and i finally
Speaker 7But he was still better, better.
Speaker 7my first girlfriend my roommate larry his iphone left on his nightstand it wasn't until the roommate maddie found the videos online and monetized he was jailed for 20 years but not for us it was for what they found
Speaker 7come in different colors they all have different gripes some rape horses and others still your male or bad as they are at least those sickles go to jail and so they're still better better than the zion is still better better than the zion
Speaker 7Straddle olive oil cakes Compound interest, the tunnel, Sam Allman's blackmail tapes Amateur villains may steal, their neighbors swim Only real pros take their organs in this
Speaker 7Oh, baby.
Ian MalcolmYeah, Rabbi, they have to be so terrified at what you're able to do with AI because that's amazing.
@malleusigNow, there's actually three versions of this song. I won't make you guys listen to all three versions, but I think at a later space, Ian, I really want to share the other two with you.
Ian MalcolmSo I have to say a couple of things. Number one... As a massive fan of Five for Fighting, I think the guy's name is John Olszczak or something along those lines. If I'm not mistaken, he's actually Canadian, but a very patriotic guy. I know he did a number of songs for the American troops. And the intro there with the piano, I felt like I was listening to one of his new albums.
Ian MalcolmSo I really appreciate the way you built that. And then the other thing is I didn't exactly know where it was going until it got to the chorus. And I love the line of even the, I can't remember, it was the people who, let's say they sexually assault the horse, I think was maybe the reference. But as bad as they are, I love how you put in, at least they go to prison.
Ian MalcolmSo they're still better than a Zionist. That's amazing.
@malleusigYeah, yeah. Yeah, I had a lot of fun making this one, guys. Thank you. This is good. This is really good. Thank you for listening. And I'll let you guys go back to the discussion.
Speaker 4Super cool.
Ian MalcolmNo, and look, it's just, you know what? The wild piece is there's all kinds of different flavors and let's say tools in our kit or belt or maybe intellectual bullets in our spiritual gun that's trying to bring an end to the insanity that we live under. That, Rabbi, what you just put together, it's another wonderful example of, you know, at the end of the day, we can have the most intellectual of conversations, but the thing that's going to grab people's attention are the things that make them smile, laugh, think, whatever.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think that song is a remarkable way to try and accomplish all three of those. But so spectacularly done. Karen, curious for any thoughts, and then we'll go to Daniel and Tom down there, and then we'll kind of go throughout the rest of the panel before closing things up.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, my husband actually is a musician. I mean, aside from his other career. So I really appreciate any musician. That's fantastic. So I just want to circle back a little bit on the social credit system, since that guy did bring it up. And since we are actually focusing on that. Yes, it was putting lore. And it was, I can, you know, sorry, it was...
Speaker 1first put out around 2014 and sporadically implemented in different cities. And the initial thought was there was a moral, what they call moral degradation, and they want to actually subtract their scores of those people who commit these, what they term as kind of... On a small scale, I wouldn't say like insurgency or that kind of thing, but more like stealing or not paying that fines or something like that.
Speaker 1But it gets into... It is actually put to different local governments to adopt. And they were... meeting met with a lot of resistance because these scores were given out by governments and not really a third party. So it's very controversial, but it is real, and it did come out into their legal form and not just as a policy.
Speaker 1So I just want to touch on that briefly.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, and certainly appreciate that. And it's wild to see how that has rolled out there, how it may roll out in the United States. And I think Rabbi really hit the nail on the head when he said it feels like some of those things that are pushed from the centralized government over in the East, in the West, they just basically are turning things over more and more and more so from the government to the hands of private companies.
Ian MalcolmAnd then the private companies get the right to say, Well, the government might not, for example, muzzle you, right? You still have freedom of speech. It's just on the platforms that are owned by these private companies. You don't have the freedom of reach to talk to anybody. And therefore, the government hasn't broken any speech laws.
Ian MalcolmAnd you can almost see how, and Karen, I'd be quickly curious for your thoughts before we go to the next hand with, I think it was Daniel or Tom, but the idea of using those private companies it perfectly also aligns with this idea of centralizing all of the power to just a couple specific companies, right? Because they wouldn't be able to do this if you had 500 different options for social media platforms, but instead you essentially have two or three or four and they're all owned by the same groups, right?
Speaker 1Right. So I think a couple thoughts on that. One is... I mean, back in the 60s, I mean, in the 70s and 80s, even Silicon Valley was known for kind of are dominated by libertarians. So people who are kind of more focused on individual liberty. using tech to kind of as kind of a counter to central government um but more and more so especially since they're kind of wall street money pe money started flooding silicon valley you would see these tech people who actually extremely envious of what china has accomplished um and they would want to do the same so they they do see uh uh you know these tech control of uh
Speaker 1in their kind of a government, quasi-government funded or initiative with that kind of efficiency, they definitely put a lot more premium on that than, say, the average American's standard of living or liberty, et cetera. So, yes, I mean, the whole, like I said, I mean, there is their, you know, constitution, there is their checks and balances, there's...
Speaker 1But all these things are going to fail unless... is one that would support, genuinely invest in these institutions and use the institutions as they're intended to be used. Otherwise they just become law fairs and infiltration subjects, et cetera. So the same with tech in some ways, when people are using it for good ends, for liberty, then that's what it's gonna become.
Speaker 1If it's actually used for just centralized efficiency, then that's what's gonna become. So the mindset, The culture of these innovators, of these company owners actually will in some ways dictate. But judging from the fact that we actually got the Congress to reverse this position and vote, measure vote on Epstein release, even though we do not know what kind of thing is going to be released, shows that they would be swayed by Zeitgeist.
Speaker 1So tech could be swayed by Zeitgeist. You know, so I'm just saying... it's like everything, you know, cannot be just looked at face value and they could be going whichever way. And at the end of the day, it's really the human spirit. And that, that could, I always believe, I believe in this, I guess what we actually put into their ether collectively as the collective conscious to want things in certain way that's going to dictate.
Speaker 1So Yes, big tech is going to consolidate. They absolutely want their piece of, you know, kind of racing to whatever ends. The AIs, they don't care what kind of hugely, you know, bull back that may not even be within the control of humans. They just want to be the first to get there and they will hire whoever they think will get them there.
Speaker 1They're not going to really think, well, what if? Like, there's going to be a huge population, native population. who are left behind because of these initiatives, they're not going to think that because their mind is not there. But if everybody in the society can change their mindset, then they may actually, and invite them to be the champion, to be on our side, say kim.com, you know, maybe the whole pendulum will swing and they will become kind of, you know, be more on the lookout for, I guess, innovations there.
Speaker 1will go in different direction. That's what I think.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, very well stated. And I see Mr. Truthower has his hand up, so let's go to him, and then we'll go down to Daniel.
Speaker 6Yeah, thanks, Ian. It's a great space. I like learning more about countries like China, because there's a lot of misinformation out there that even I have a hard time sometimes deciphering what's true and what's not, because... You know, the U.S. Congress has gone out of its way to spend over a billion to present this misinformation as truth and even start up their own media networks on China to spread lies and demonize China for crimes that otherwise, well, their own subversives, mainly Jews, have committed.
Speaker 6So, you know, I was looking at Santino's post, and the part that he leaves out is, you know, if you want to go out and get a certification or a degree in China, well, guess what? Education's free. You don't have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and go into debt to get a certification. But if when that rule of law comes to the U.S., Canada, or elsewhere, well, you've got to spend a lot of money to get those certifications, degrees, and then spend money to maintain them as well.
Speaker 6Renewal fees for the certification, for instance. So at least there's a lower barrier to entry for what it's worth, and it does help stop misinformation for those that pretend to be subject matter experts, like a certain individual by the name of Stealth Medical who calls herself a virologist, but has None of that training, but she's giving a lot of medical advice.
Speaker 6I mean, at least here, if you're going to talk about health and finance, provide the disclaimer saying, I'm not that professional, so this way you're just having the conversation. I'm sure there'll be loopholes anyway with stuff like that. The other point I'd make is, look, it's a binary choice to be made as to whether you want the government to run these tech companies or at least provide the proper oversight or a private company.
Speaker 6And with the U.S., unfortunately... say with Palantir, one of the most controversial companies out there, it started off as a government-run project. It was the Total Information Awareness Act. And they were funding it the first year right after 9-11, but then it became too controversial, I suppose. That's what they claim, to be able to fund.
Speaker 6So they handed off the technology they'd already created to Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, Joe Lonsdale and company to run with it, develop it. and build up the algorithm in Afghanistan and Iraq. And then later on, it'd also be used towards distribution sites for COVID. And now it's used for surveillance and also to create kill lists through Lavender in Gaza.
Speaker 6So you see how controversial that is. So then that begs the question, who do you want overseeing this? I mean, ideally a government that's supposed to be accountable to people, which obviously isn't the case in the US, because the corporations have more power and really get to call the shots. I mean, look how much power a guy like Peter Thiel wields.
Speaker 6He literally owns Vice President Peter Thiel. He installed him in power, a guy that Trump would have never selected if it was actually his choice, which goes to show he probably has more power than Trump as well. I mean, this is the guy that funded his Senate campaign for $15 million. No one's ever spent that much for a Senate campaign from one individual, by the way.
Speaker 6Presidency, yes, far more, but not for Senate. That's huge. Plus, he got him his first tech job and then his second job as well. And he graduated from law school at Yale. Why is this lawyer qualified to work at a tech company? And then shortly after, then become a politician, and now he's VP. Pretty solid position. If something happens to Trump, he takes over immediately.
Speaker 6I mean, we'll see. It's only less than a year in. But this is the power the big corporations have. And he's not even necessarily the richest and the most influential. I've even gone to a guy like... Larry Ellison, someone you know very well from Oracle, who seems like he's the one really calling the shots, though he doesn't do many interviews.
Speaker 6And of course, yesterday we were discussing, of course, what was his name? That Mudder guy, Pearl Mudder. Ike Pearl Mudder, guy behind the scenes that's all about LGBTQ and pushing transgenderism. He's another guy that controls Trump. So you've got these very influential individuals, and he was... CEO, chairman of Marvel Group, Marvel Entertainment, for many years until, well, yeah, they got fired or laid off.
Speaker 6Who really knows? So these are the guys in charge of the government. So then you have to choose. I believe the ideal scenario is the hybrid, where you have a government in charge, it's accountable, annual election. If they can't balance the budget, they get fired. It's not happening anywhere, really, except maybe Switzerland.
Speaker 6They have that annual election set up. And if there's any major bills that want to get passed, there's referendums. People decide. The government doesn't have overarching power to dictate and expect the population to serve them while they enrich themselves and then go work for the private sector afterwards, a complete conflict of interest.
Speaker 6Whereas in China, okay, maybe you may not be satisfied with the system there. It's too socialist, possibly. It's not communist because there are private property rights. There's a stock market. et cetera, and it's not egalitarian because you've got a billionaire class, a millionaire class, and a middle class. There just isn't really much of a poverty class, which is a good thing.
Speaker 6So there's going to be trade-offs. So then you leave it to the audience to decide which system you think is better for the whole, because guess what? When you don't have that poverty class, you also don't have much crime either. Would you rather be living in communities where people have access to free education and healthcare with very little risk of crime?
Speaker 6You don't have to worry about locking your doors all the time or washing over your back or as a woman worried about walking late at night that you might get robbed by some crackhead. So far less of a drug problem too because that stuff's all banned and there's far less degeneracy. So I advise people to consider all of the facets within society and decide who do you trust more?
Speaker 6A big corporation? or a corrupt, shady government controlled by tech companies that are literally too big to fail, and stop me saying it, it's them. It's literally what Sam Altman said about open AI, because they're making maybe $13 or $14 billion in revenue and have $1.4 trillion in obligations. Where do you think that money is going to come from?
Speaker 6A corrupt government is just going to write them a check anytime they ask, and that's what Trump's been doing. And that's what they've been doing through the likes of In-Q-Tel and what Alvin Krongard was doing through the CIA as well, writing these big tech companies that are now massive Goliaths with far more power. They're not just powerful within America.
Speaker 6They're global now. And you want to jump in here.
Speaker 4Right.
Speaker 1So I would say there's a huge class. I mean, I agree on their... overall kind of a sentiment when it comes to the corruption of, you know, money by the government. I just want to qualify and say there's a huge poverty class in China, and all these billionaires, they could, you know, sign their honors.
Speaker 6What do you mean it's huge? No, they've lifted 850 million people out of poverty now. It's not huge like you say it is. I think it's proportionally, it's bigger than the U.S.
Speaker 6I did a China space with a variety of people, actually. I interviewed them, and what they told me is you could be poor from a rural village, but you have the opportunity to, again, get access to free education, free health care, and then get a job. You'll be provided with free room and board if it's a big company. Your kids are afforded the same privilege, and then you can literally just save most of your money and then buy a plot of land in your rural village when you go back.
Speaker 6She made the sacrifice for like 10 years to come into a city, and that's how they've been able to lift that many people out of poverty. So it's not a huge poverty class.
Speaker 1Yes, there's a huge poverty class. How big is it? Can I just, let me just finish. There's a huge poverty class in the terms of they barely have any clothes, barely have any furnishes in their house, especially in the more distant kind of villages. And it is, very prevalent but the majority of people in the rural areas in the more southern regions central southern regions and the more near north regions surrounding beijing have relatively good living standards
Speaker 1in the sense that they don't actually own the land. They can lease the land. It's registered in their names, but they do not own it. But they can plot the land. And ever since Deng came into power, they have their private land and they have their collective land. And the collective land, a lot of these people from the richer areas of the rural China lease to the inner areas, and they don't even farm themselves.
Speaker 1So in a sense that they have free education, yes. But all of those people who actually managed to, first of all, it's extremely competitive to go to the good schools and go to the universities. And in order to get there, almost every parent, most parents at least, would pay a lot of money to hire private tutors after school programs.
Speaker 1So it is an issue. But if you can say, is there a free public education in America? Yes, there is as well. Is there actually, you know, but the good thing about China's medical systems, it is got a free medical system, but a lot of medical procedures are not covered. So it is very much of a social ill, everybody complains about.
Speaker 1So it's not an idealist society and in turn billionaire class almost... you know, I had to write into the change of control definition that one of the CEOs could actually be stepping down or whatever, which is very different because it's so arbitrary because the party could dictate that if you are, say, Alibaba, if you criticize the government or you go set up a school that I do not approve, I can just put you under house arrest for, you know, a number of months, right?
Speaker 1And so, and there are like people going to China who, absolutely get, they got money from some local government officials. And if they do not deliver, they could be executed on the spot before they were even taken to the police station. So there are a lot of underbellies. I mean, I know some rights lawyers. So I'm just saying it's not an ideal society.
Speaker 1And is there corruption in America? Absolutely. Is it outrageous? Yes. But at the same time, if I were to choose, I'd rather have a facade that I have some rights that I actually can use as resources you know, sort of basis for arguing against these people to be even expressed outrageous, outrage on. So that's sort of, and I would say there- Does anybody get in trouble for criticizing the Jews in China?
Speaker 1Depends. Let me just be very frank.
Speaker 6It's known. By the way, I looked up the poverty rate. It's 1.5% of the population, it's around 22 million out of 1.4 billion. Do you know what the poverty rate is in America?
Speaker 1It depends on how you define the poverty rate.
Speaker 6It's around $30 million out of $360 million.
Speaker 1I know, but define the poverty rate because...
Speaker 6Being food insecure and being homeless and living below the poverty line. Being destitute, essentially. And that's gone down significantly. It's on a downward trajectory. The problem is you're not looking at trajectory. In America, the poverty rate's going up. because there's such massive wealth discrepancy, because you've got about the half a percent that control over 50% of the wealth, and you've got the 10% that control 90% of the wealth.
Speaker 6And because there's no oversight and guidelines for pay distribution for these big tech companies, you see companies like Google or the CEO, Sundar Pichai, can make $100 million a year Though he doesn't, is he really worth that? What did he even invent? Most of the money just comes from ad revenue anyway. And the average edger you make is around 120,000, 130,000.
Speaker 6Why is there such a massive pay discrepancy? It's close to 1,001. It's not the same in China. Because once a company gets to be a certain size, then it gets nationalized by the government, which is not necessarily a bad thing. It's exactly what the National Socialist did in Germany because that provides a check and balance.
Speaker 6So I think you're overlooking the fact there's massive wealth discrepancy in the U.S. You may look at your party definition might be different from mine, but the trajectory is going the wrong direction in America, unfortunately. And Trump could care less about that. And he's completely out of touch with reality on this topic while he's sitting there throwing his great Gatsby parties at the White House and rebuilding the East Wing again with Perlmutter's money.
Speaker 6So...
Speaker 1for determining disparity is actually larger in China.
Speaker 6Yeah, listen, I took economics. That's a coefficient. It can be easily manipulated. You have to actually look at the hard numbers. And the fact that inflation is much higher than they also claim to, it's not 3%.
Speaker 1Yes, but China has now had more than its share of billionaires.
Speaker 6Yeah, isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1No, it's not amazing.
Speaker 6All these people becoming billionaires. And how many millionaires are there in China as well? But you know what there still is that's thriving in China? It's the middle class. But the middle class is getting decimated in America. It's almost non-existent because they're close to poverty level. They're living paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 6And they don't have access to free education and free health care. They don't have any lifeline. There is no safety net. but there is in China. And that's a massive difference that you can't just overlook. And there's no free education in America. Hold on, Karen. The public school system here sucks, first of all. They're not teaching LGBT garbage and shit you don't need to know.
Speaker 6in China. You're actually learning real life skills. Again, I've seen the videos. I've talked to people that live there. I've been there myself. I've been to Shanghai, Beijing, and some of the smaller cities. I've seen firsthand the kids are better educated there. And they're literally laughing at the shit that we learn.
Speaker 6You're like, what the fuck? Why are you guys learning that shit? You're learning AI at six, seven over there. And then you're learning how to plant a freaking tree and how to cook food. And you're learning real life skills. Like, I don't know when you were last there, but their education is far more advanced than what it is here.
Speaker 6And they actually better prepare them for the real world. there than they do here and they have a much better chance of success and that's why you see the chinese in america are probably i will besides the fact that jews get all the advantages chinese are actually the most successful ethnic minority in america and props to them it's because of their culture and the fact that china's a solid country despite getting over by the jews for 180 years because of two opium wars because of the sassoon's the kaduris and all the baghdadis there and then communism as well
Speaker 6It still managed to pick itself up, not play the victim card, and become a superpower that even Pete Hexath states America can't beat. Because they've got the hypersonics that can decimate the entire fleet of aircraft carriers in less than 20 minutes and have a special army that can take out America any time. Don't underestimate China.
Speaker 6I mean, I see you're a dissident. Maybe you don't like China for whatever reason, but it's not 2017 anymore. They've come to hell. It's unrecognizable compared to even eight years ago.
Speaker 1That is, I would say, okay. First of all, as a Westerner, if you truly were to live in China, you're not going to like it. I can tell you most of the Chinese expats who are naturalized in America, once the COVID policy hits, everybody wanted to get out. Because when there is a policy that takes your liberty away, they can just do it like that.
Speaker 1You don't have any resort to anything. Yes, the schools, ever since my days, has always been teaching skills. But during the Cultural Revolution, they could just take away like that. When it's in their power, it's to their advantage to take away. That is why during the woke era, when a lot of Chinese Americans spoke up,
Speaker 1of their own experience during Cultural Revolution, which is true, which they literally turned a guy who turned in a paper had zero blank answers on him into a hero. So they can make heroes out of someone who is just not really learning at all. But true, ever since 2000, even during my time, you know, schooling extremely...
Speaker 1vigorous, extremely competitive. But that is not because the Chinese communist. That is because that's Chinese. Because ethnically speaking, it's always for a thousand years has focused on education and seen education as a ticket out of poverty. And a whole kind of a system of advancing through education was put in place.
Speaker 1bureaucratically in downtown dynasty a thousand years ago so and the same let's say india or pakistan so what i'm saying is such horrible people giving free education and health care to the population out of poverty no nobody's saying horrible people no no nobody's saying that so let's not go there but what i'm saying is it it is is there a trillion and a half worth of student loan debt in china
Speaker 1Yes and no.
Speaker 6What do you mean yes? No, there isn't. Show me where.
Speaker 1No, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, there are private schools and there are public schools. All right? Especially during the middle school era. Because the public school, those who actually want to go into college, they, it's extreme, it's a lot more competitive than here. Because they're like first tier, second tier, third tier, and that dictates where you go to, you get job.
Speaker 1All right. So so I'm not going to go into all the details, but I'm just saying that China, there is a name called Wu Mao. I don't know if you heard of it. All right. They're literally paid 50 cents to come out and propagandize. So they're called pinks as well, who actually come to the states and with a mission to actually spread what is good about China.
Speaker 1So what you said has. grounding in reality, but also there's the other aspect of it. And I'm just saying, it's not necessarily the socialism that is actually breeding it. And I want to draw the lesson from that, which is China throughout the ages have had an elder system. that is putting the place into every village where the elders of the village, the more learned, would actually pay and take care of the youngers in their clan.
Speaker 1Because these are clan-based. They all have the same last names. They've been there for like, you know, hundreds and thousands of years. So that whole system was done away by the Communist Party. So, but still, these days, you have different regions, say the Wenzhou people.
Speaker 6Did you know those student loans you mentioned are interest-free. China waived the entire interest payment, zero. Do you know how much interest payment the US government run by Jews has waived? Zero. Yes, but for an average... Yeah, so the average American can have to pay off that student loan debt for like over a course of 20 to 25 years, like a mortgage.
Speaker 6And now they've introduced the fifth-year mortgage, which is non-existent in China.
Speaker 1Okay, let me just say something, okay? So for Shanghai... the average housing for a two-bedroom apartment is about a million dollars, okay?
Speaker 6You picked the most expensive city in China.
Speaker 1No, but I'm just saying, but to be...
Speaker 6I'm glad people are hearing this, though, because now you know it's not a communist country, so I'm glad you're saying it.
Speaker 1I'm just saying, I'm just saying, a college graduate out of China will be making anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 yuan, all right? Which... translates into less than $1,000. So how do these people ever even buy a place? And the rent in China, in Shanghai, is as expensive as San Francisco. Okay? And not to mention...
Speaker 6Does BlackRock or Blackstone own over 50% of the real estate in China?
Speaker 1I'm just saying, yes, there are... Let's not idealize. There are pros and cons. Yes...
Speaker 6You know that BlackRock and Blackstone are actively raising rents on Americans in the U.S.? Do you want me to give you the stats?
Speaker 1I think, you know, I'm just saying there are different aspects to this. And for an average American, you can certainly put up whatever. I think it's fair to put up whatever country as a contrast, argue for more rights for ourselves. But I think it's a lot more useful not to... idealize every aspect of it, but to say, okay, what system do we want to adopt right now, right?
Speaker 1Do we really want to adopt socialism? And I say, no.
Speaker 6National socialism. I think you're wrong, because capitalism doesn't exist in America. It's completely rigged and controlled by a bunch of Jewish elitists. They cause inflation and unemployment through corporate restructuring and market instability. through all the market crashes they caused. And that's what they're about to do in the near future, as well as they've done 20 times.
Speaker 1And they have done many times. Since 1913. Exactly. Yes, they have.
Speaker 6So then this capitalist system, I don't know if that's what you're touting, doesn't work. At least with national socialism and proper elections, there's some checks and balances in place so that these financial criminals will be jailed. And in China, if you get busted for corruption, I've never seen a U.S. a politician in a senior position get executed for getting busted for taking bribes.
Speaker 6It's never happened in the U.S. This happens in China all the time. So there's actually a deterrent to being corrupt. And they're incentivized to lift more people out of poverty, which they've been doing. and there's a much lower poverty rate in China, which has four times the population, 22 million left in poverty, versus America, which has well over 30 million.
Speaker 6I think it's higher than that now, because those are conservative numbers. Well, the poverty rate... The trajectory is significantly better, and that's despite the fact China's been fucked over for 180 years since 1834, when the... Yes, but China is... ...first moved there and started up their opium empire.
Speaker 1Yeah, but China's poverty rate is defined differently than America. Okay, but I'm just saying, there are poor people in... that country as well and here and incentive okay this is my honest take on america all right i do not believe national socialism would ever work in america why not because you don't have one nation because their objectives and
Speaker 1the incentives. Look at Russia. Why does it actually always hack back to its World War history? Because that's the one thing that ties all these different disparate regions together. They have to have their national identity. What is America's national identity?
Speaker 6Russia's got semi-autonomous oblasts. You know that.
Speaker 1Yes, but they still...
Speaker 6I know, but why do they not break away?
Speaker 1Yes. What I'm saying is America... does not have a national identity that's divorced from its liberty-loving origin. So it will be very hard for America to go socialistic. And once you go socialistic, you never come back.
Speaker 6It's needed. First of all, when you say socialism, socialism already exists in America. It's not like it's some foreign concept. The police department, the fire department, the public school system, you just mentioned yourself, who pays for these services. Who pays to get real estate.
Speaker 1Yes. The government. So that's socialism, isn't it? It used to be.
Speaker 6So now what I'm saying is you're going to have accountable.
Speaker 1No, it's not socialistic in the sense that.
Speaker 6Are there taxes in America that are supposed to fund these types of services, such as the police department, the fire department and the public school system?
Speaker 1It used to be. It used to be bonds.
Speaker 6I'm sorry. Is it privatized or is it the government? Because if it's the government, that makes it socialism. So it already exists in the U.S. It's just going to be better organized and accountable and transparent. Because they steal a lot of that money and they get kickbacks and they don't actually do a bidding system to give it to the most qualified company.
Speaker 6They instead just reward their friends. And that's exactly how the military industrial complex works. That's exactly how the health care system works.
Speaker 1What do you think socialism will reward in China? Who gets benefits? Who gets rewarded resources?
Speaker 6Like I said, it's been able to lift over 850 million people out of poverty. And that's after being screwed over for 180 years. So they're still in the process of recovery. I didn't say they're a perfect system. I just said it's better because it's on a trajectory to fully eliminate poverty, and that's a good thing because then you have a far lower crime rate.
Speaker 6Now tell me, given that there's far less poverty in China, why don't we compare the crime rates and see who's more violent and predisposed towards criminality, U.S. versus China? And then we can also see that there's a correlation between poverty rate... When it's higher, you get higher crime. When it's lower, you get less crime.
Speaker 6And in China, there's less poverty and therefore less crime. And there's obviously sufficient deterrent as well to ensure that, to try to avoid criminality in the first place. So that's another reason for the benefit of living in a proper national socialist society. It eliminates the need for crime.
Speaker 4Under Mao, there's depraved poverty.
Ian MalcolmKaren, one thing I would add is just that Chinese Americans in general have extremely low crime. And I'm just going to suggest that I don't necessarily think low violent crime in China would exclusively be due to poverty. It could also just be genetic and cultural, which we see again in the United States on crime.
Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely. Because under actually poverty, Mao... It was extreme poverty, but the crime extremely low because of the time. They let you beat your kids when they fuck around and find out.
Speaker 6And that's a good thing. Bring back discipline.
Speaker 1Yeah, but the thing.
Speaker 6Well, what I'm saying is. And it's more conservative as well. Okay, truth. I've let you live. You get two parent households. Truth. I've let. I have to get going. No, Karen, it's been a good conversation. I mean, it's enlightening. No, no, but I haven't actually even... It's good to hear the other side.
Speaker 1I haven't even responded, right?
Speaker 6So what I'm saying is... Yeah, but I know what your response is. I heard they'll have political dissidents speak. It's like, for whatever reason, they hate their country and they think America's amazing. I'm not a political dissident, necessarily. Because you've done well in America, and I congratulate you. I applaud you for doing well.
Speaker 6No, no, no. You're out of touch with reality.
Speaker 1If that's the case, I can also say that because you actually have... Karen, you've done well for yourself, and I applaud you. I mean, there's no use talking over each other. Can I just talk?
Speaker 6No, I understand that, but I applaud you for doing well in America. Good for you.
Speaker 1No, no, no.
Speaker 6But the average American is not you.
Speaker 1You need to understand that I am not coming from the dissident point of view because I have actually protested the American government for many, many years as I have been very active in, you know, the WeChat, you know, complaining, criticizing the government as well as defending China in many respects in front of the critics of China.
Speaker 1So I am doing it as... objectively as possible. You can certainly look at my motive and say X, Y, Z, but I can tell you that... Well, you said poverty is prevalent in China.
Speaker 6Yes, it is. And I give you hard stats. No, no, no. Well, you haven't been there in over 10 years. A lot's changed, hasn't it?
Speaker 1I can tell you that things haven't changed.
Speaker 6I just gave you numbers. So I let the numbers speak. It's not a reality. I'd own it if I was wrong, but my numbers prove me right. And they're on a positive trajectory to eliminate poverty. That's a good thing. I mean, you should be happy about that. I'm just going to say. What's your definition of prevalent? Does that mean over 50% of the country is in poverty like it is in Argentina or Egypt?
Speaker 6That would be prevalent. It's nowhere near that in China, is it? So when you use big words like prevalent, at least understand that's misrepresenting what it actually is.
Speaker 1What I mean is there are people starving. There are people hardly having food. Okay, but what percentage of the population is that? Can I just speak? I'm sorry. It's not prevalent, though. I mean, I can talk about it to you as well. I mean, I can start talking about it, right?
Speaker 6That's fine. Look, it's been a fascinating conversation.
Speaker 1No, I mean, it's not fair because I haven't even retorted. If you're going to just leave right now, it's not being, you know, let's... You'll have the rest of the panel to talk. I'm going to say that...
Speaker 6I'll make it easy for you.
Speaker 1Have you lived through socialism? Let me ask you one thing. Have you lived through socialism?
Speaker 6Not national socialism, unfortunately, but I've seen how it worked out in Syria and Libya, and they did quite well under national socialism. And I watched how the national socialists became the number one economy and most powerful country in the world when they were on the brink of bankruptcy in 1933. So I feel positive for national socialism.
Speaker 6I haven't had the privilege to live under national socialism.
Speaker 8Okay.
Speaker 4No. Okay.
Speaker 8But then neither have you.
Speaker 4I have.
Speaker 8No, that's not proper national socialism.
Speaker 1Yes, it was. And I live in China.
Speaker 8It's close, but not quite.
Speaker 1No, it was. Okay? So it was nationalistic and it was socialistic. Okay? I'm just going to say there are absolute downsides to national socialism. For one thing, you're not going to have proper... I am talking right now. Please. All right? I'll let you talk in just five minutes. All right? So...
Speaker 1There's not going to be any election under National Socialism.
Speaker 6There's elections under National Socialism. I am talking, please. You're wrong. I'm sorry, but how do you think the National Socialists made it in the government? They were elected. They went through three rounds before they took a majority in the Reichstag. So there are elections in National Socialism. There are a lot of people here who are.
Speaker 6And also, Bashar al-Assad was elected twice as well.
Speaker 1You know, I can talk as well, right? The National Socialism cannot be talked about.
Speaker 6But you just got that point wrong. Karen, I'm sorry, but we have to be factual here.
Speaker 1Yes, we are.
Speaker 6You may not like the system and that's your prerogative. Can I talk, please? Don't misrepresent it.
Speaker 1I'm sorry, but can I just talk without you interrupting me?
Speaker 6Okay, but I do have to say. I'm just going to say, but that's not fair, right?
Speaker 1You're not being plain fair, okay? I listened to you, and you have not let me talk.
Speaker 6Did you listen to me, though? I feel like you didn't. I feel like it went in one direction.
Speaker 1Well, you know, I'm sorry, but National Socialists went through three rounds of elections, but once they were elected, they were not coding more elections. And I'm telling you that once you are in a socialist country, a national socialist country, yes, you would have one figurehead. That person may be benign, may be benevolent, or they could actually be dictatorial and authoritarian and ruthless.
Speaker 1So that is the system that... could not subject to any kind of defense. And once you live in that system for one generation, I tell you, all your generations after may be cursed because you no longer know how to live in a free country. You no longer know how to defend your rights. You do not even know, have the software to think for yourself.
Speaker 1So no, you have something extremely precious right now. Yes, you can borrow from the National Socialist traits of actually working for your people, demanding more of that for us, all right? you know, work against the corruption in our government. But to say that somehow idealized a socialism system where you imagine there could be some kind of forum where you can give your free opinion, I would say no.
Speaker 1You will be paid by the government. If you say even one thing wrong, you could be in jail. And absolutely, it's true. All right? My grandfather almost went to commit suicide. All right, for what? For giving almost all his wealth away to be nationalized initially as joint venture promised by the country to be paid on the dividend.
Speaker 1Eight years later, all right, nothing was paid. It was 100% nationalized. And he actually stayed in China because he believed in the communists. He thought they were less corrupt than the party he came from. So he had the opportunity. Our family had the opportunity. Leave for Taiwan, leave for America, leave for Hong Kong.
Speaker 1We did not. We stayed because we thought there's idealized, propagandized version of communist party. It never pan out. I'm just going to say. I'm not going to say more because I'm never going to persuade you. But I can tell you, you will not find anyone. who's ever lived under sea for over three generations and have their freedom taken away to actually give you a comparison and say, no, I want to actually not live in America, but live in a society like America, but live in a society like China.
Speaker 1I tell you, almost all my friends who went back to work or decided to give up their citizenship of America came to regret it, all right? I'm never gonna persuade you because you do not have your personal experience, but I can tell you what you actually experiencing in terms of poverty, in terms of actually the poverty rate, in terms of the people's freedom, in terms of their daily struggles, you do not know, okay?
Speaker 1Yes, they are learning, but the pressure of life, you do not know, all right? So what I'm saying is these are – it's very hard to persuade somebody who has never really lived it. But all I can say is do not give up. Anybody who's selling you socialism, nationalized socialism, is going to sell you down the drain. And it takes only one generation for everything that America ever stood for, everything that's a possibility, even though in reality –
Speaker 1It's far from perfect, all right, to just evaporate overnight, all right? So I can tell you one very, very famous novelist, kind of celebrated both in her nationalist party time and post-nationalist party time, decided to, she was all enthusiastic about the CCP when they first, you know, whatever. So she went to actually these gatherings of all these famous writers.
Speaker 1And all of a sudden, a year later, he found everybody was wearing the Mao uniform, right? She was still going in qipao. So that was when, the next day, she told, you know, paid a lot of money to her aunt and left for America. All right? Immediately. Because she knew that the time would change, right? So a lot of these Chinese Americans who had stayed in America and got their, you know, whatever, doctoral degrees and worked in America, they were like, oh, now we have a new China, right?
Speaker 1Like liberated from their whatever. And they went back. And within 10 years, half of them died. Okay? So what I'm saying is, no, you have to read the room and understand where the things are going. And it's very hard. I mean, I did not expect this conversation and did not expect this exchange with truth. And he left. And I think, you know, honestly, I do not think that's a very honorable thing to do.
Speaker 1All right. But I'm just going to tell everybody here that do not, that's snake oil. Absolute snake oil. I'm not saying this as a dissident. I'm just going to say that my, you know, I'm just saying my family got persecution history, but we're not. You know, my family also got celebrated in China. So I believe I have a pretty balanced view.
Speaker 1And my friends, friends in China, friends here. So there isn't like sort of a bitter, dissident kind of mentality whatsoever. I'm just telling you as it is. And I'm just going to say, do not, do not even go there. We can borrow some of the concept. We can borrow some of their concern for people. that's in the ideal, but not in reality.
Speaker 1And we can borrow the propaganda for our own purpose, but never really truly buy into that. That's all I can say.
Speaker 3Hey, Karen, can I ask you a question? Yes. So, the subject reminded me of the fact that recently I've heard a lot of people talking about how in the United States we've really never had constitutional rights, and all this gibberish that I believe has the purpose of normalizing the idea that that these values that people, everyone who's worn uniform has sworn an oath to protect, these rights and these values that have to do with everything that is enshrined in the Constitution, etc., seem to be, there seems to be an effort to kind of create a concept that, again, normalizes the idea that this was never really a right, that these rights were never rights that any of us actually had.
Speaker 3And what you just said reminded me of the fact that What do you think? Is this a campaign to get younger generations to kind of not realize what older people who are aware of these rights might be telling them now when the country is in a place where it looks like these rights are under attack in a very real and very, very alarming way?
Speaker 1Very well said. Very well said. That's my concern as well. This is my concern because the ultimate goal is the Noahide order. And communism... What is manifested in Russia and China gives us a glimpse of what Noahide is. This is a march towards Noahidism. Yes, Germany was absolutely socialistic. They had that 21 program and their four-year plan is very much similar to Russia.
Speaker 1you know, as kind of a wartime strategy against, say, you know, coming back from the World War I, it may make sense in the short term, but in the long term, it would not make sense. But at the same time, you know, if you look at their Viking groups... they're very egalitarian. They've always historically been very egalitarian, but they're also very singular group.
Speaker 1And look at China, also homogenous to some extent. So would it apply to America? Absolutely not. So yes, America is very unique. And, you know, at every step of the way, everything was fought for. Like, you know, Jefferson fought against the Federalists, fought against the, you know, central banking, right? And that fight, even including the Rhode Island people,
Speaker 1taking up their arms, you know, to go protest with their firearms. You know, that's how the Bill of Rights came about. And that absolutely explains the difference between the Germans who cannot criticize, you know, even talk about Holocaust where we can. So I'm just saying, I absolutely agree with you that it's foolhardy.
Speaker 1to not go back to, I mean, I even, to go back to the constitution, go back to the framers. And that is what attracted almost all the immigrants to America. It's definitely, there's economic boom, there's economic opportunists, but a lot of it is spiritual. And that spiritual, it has to do with the human spirit of liberty.
Speaker 1And that liberty, in some extent, can be fulfilled by socialism, which is, oh, maybe you have some kind of social safety net, yes. But at the same time, it is a freedom to own a piece of land, to be away from the society. And I can tell you what socialism, how socialism is different from feudalism, is that... if under socialism, they don't just control your, you know, draft you for military services or, you know, get your grain or, you know, tax you for salt.
Speaker 1They actually want to change your mind. They actually control how you think. So they actually will take your kids and see them as guinea pigs. So that is the difference. And I'm just saying, I even actually go to battle those people who say, oh, this, country was founded by Mason, they were infiltrated from the start. No.
Speaker 1I mean, if you really look at the history, as a foreigner, a foreign-born American, right? I mean, I'm very amazed at how much fights were going on to get to what we take for granted. And it's very real. It's very real. That's why I think the most sensitive subjects, if you look at someone like Thomas Marcy, you know, you know, the subjects of actually the control over the waterways on your private land, control over, you know, the ability to sell your produce.
Speaker 1I mean, that kind of thing is definitely against the WF, against Noahideism. So I absolutely do not understand why those people who are against the Jewish Noahide control would at the same time propose their own version, you know? Anyway.
Speaker 9Well, I would say this. Karl Marx was wrong. The history is not defined by a struggle between classes, but by a struggle between those who wish to enslave and those who wish to be free. And our greatest defense, our greatest moral defense in the history of humankind against the enslavers is the idea of individual liberty.
Speaker 9I would say to my friend Truth, my dear friend Truth, we, as Pericles said in one of his famous speeches to ancient Athens, are not a nation. that models ourselves after other nations, but rather we offer ourselves as a model to them. We will never out-collectivize China. We will never out-collectivize countries of old like the Soviet Union, but we can out-free them because what our forefathers understood, if you read all the founding documents, they are redolent with the idea that the primary unit of civilization is the individual, the rights of which can never be sacrificed.
Speaker 9But we have become, when you said the Bill of Rights, you know, Patrick Henry's a little wordy about that. When the government starts defining your rights, then it becomes exclusionary. What they didn't write down somehow isn't your rights. This isn't true. All of those documents are redolent with the idea that you own your...
Speaker 9few cubic feet of flesh. And ironically, when people come and say, well, this is radical individualism. It's going to be the Hobbesian idea of man in a state of nature, man versus man, every man for himself. This isn't true. This is a lie. This is a Judaic lie. We have biophilia. We have a natural affinity, just as things in chemical properties do.
Speaker 9We have a natural affinity for one another. Communalization goes way up. The high trust society goes way up when we are free. A thousand slaves slinking home to servitude isn't worth one person, one man or woman standing free on the horizon of their own destiny. I am sorry, but the answer is more freedom, not less. But what is freedom?
Speaker 9Freedom only exists in a political context. It's not freedom to fly or spiritual freedom or all of that stuff. No, no, no. It's freedom from physical coercion. from the small group of people who call themselves government, the impudent people who assume a non-existent right to make everyone else obey and pay them at the threat of murder or encagement.
Speaker 9These are awful, ignominious people. And in the words of The Matrix, we can make it without you. We're going to show the world a life without you. We don't need you. It's either voluntary consent or coercion. And as long as you keep trying to form another coercive society and think that the worst and most awful people, gosh, who comes to mind, won't take control of that civilization.
Speaker 9I mean, maybe you can. By the way, my National Socialist friends make an argument to that effect, and they're my dear friends. But I don't agree. I don't agree. You have one freedom because you have one mind and one body. And all of your rights, which you extend is innumerably from your one freedom. as rays of light from the sun, all of those extend from that one freedom.
Speaker 9You can look left. That's a right. You can look right. You can take a sip of coffee. You can read the paper. Why, if you have all these innumerable rights, would our forefathers have written down such a paucity of them? Well, that's because they knew those are the ones the tyrants would come after. It was very logical, very pragmatic, very reasonable.
Speaker 9And what's the very first one? Your right to speak. They want... to control your thought. And that's how you do it. Come on, folks, this is really simple. You control speech. And so, no, I mean, I don't want to be told what to do. I want to be free. You know, freedom is the most beautiful and galvanizing idea in the history of the world.
Speaker 9The underpinnings of a rational society isn't altruism. All of the worst, most monstrous, most horrible civilizations... are built on altruism. The Soviet Union, oh, the brotherhood, oh, sacrifice, because the primary unit of that civilization is the group, not the individual. And so the individual is not being asked, but it's demanded of them that they sacrifice themselves for that group.
Speaker 9And there's the Hegelian idea, he didn't say it, by the way, but he didn't imply it, that might is right. It's that small, impudent group of people that what they decide is moral. What they decide is true. That's not true. The veracity of a given point is not dependent upon the number of people subscribed to it or the power of those people.
Speaker 9No, it's defined in objective reality. So we're talking about reason versus irrationality, freedom versus tyranny. And I'm sorry, but the answer is freedom. You know, at the beginning of civilization, it was okay to eat people. 10,000 years ago would have been odd for people not to do it. And human sacrifice was the norm of the day.
Speaker 9And we moved from slavery, which, believe it or not, was an advancement, to animal sacrifice. And then we abolished chattel slavery, and then we moved on to what? The kind of slavery we have now. Taxation isn't just theft, it's slavery. And how do you know that? Because slavery is what? The confiscation of human effort.
Speaker 9When you imprison someone, they come at an expense. When you enslave someone, you confiscate their effort. And guess what? Thanks to the people that rule us, you plasticize your effort into money and they just snatch it away. And we don't somehow know that that is slavery. People yell, I'm free. You're not free.
Speaker 10The difference between here in China is that if you don't have a job, you can... go out and find something to do and get paid for it. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 9But wait a minute.
Speaker 10I know that our system has been corrupted, but what I'm saying is you can go out like, and. Mo people's lawns. You can go out and do things, you know, and create. you know, a revenue for yourself. I don't think you have that freedom in China. I'm sorry, Canary, I feel really bad for what Truth Teller did to you. I was like texting Ian saying, please, you know, he's bullying her.
Speaker 9Okay, but Truth Teller does have a point, right? If you compare what we have to what China has, or what Russia has, by the way, is that those people, well, Russia, let's use that as an example. Putin is a Hobbesian autocrat. but he cares about his people. There isn't some outside exogenous force. Not if you're a Jehovah Witness.
Speaker 9There isn't some outside exogenous force extracting all their wealth and parasitizing us, right? I mean, you cannot compare this. I mean, we have a cancer on us. You know, China, hold on, they're a homogeneous civilization, and they only operate in the interest of themselves, right? America doesn't do that. If you went to China and you turned on a television, wouldn't you be surprised if all the commercials said, I hate Chinese people?
Speaker 9Wouldn't you be surprised if the education system taught, well, you're Chinese now, so you're a horrible, evil, racist person. We are not free. We are not even being ruled by autocrats. We're being ruled by people that hate us. David.
Speaker 10Did you see what China did to Apple?
Speaker 9Who gives a shit? I'm talking about people, not apples.
Ian MalcolmI'm so with you on that one, David. Hang on, Donna. That was a very strange segment or tangent. Would you agree, Donna, that the media and pop culture that is pushed out onto the masses is demonstrably anti-white and anti-Christian in the United States and Western Europe?
Speaker 10Yeah, but I'm free to turn the television off.
Speaker 1I think both of you are right.
Speaker 10You're joking.
Speaker 1I think both of you.
Speaker 9Yeah, but you're still a slave. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1No, I think you're both right. Right. China, to some extent, does, I mean, for a thousand years, its emperor has actually had a mandate to look out for its own people. So was their emperor of, I mean, the czar of Russia.
Speaker 9I'm not talking about thousands of years. I'm talking about now.
Speaker 1What I'm saying is that mentality extends. And David, you're right that we actually have an alien hostile. occupier, colonizer, so may not be as concerned about the well-being of the majority group as the Chinese leader, Chinese ruler might be. But at the same time, I think you and Donna are actually on the same side, saying that there are rights in America that we should, at least we feel we can go get and be entitled to.
Speaker 9Well, I was answering the gentleman who said, Are we, and I was addressing our other friend there too. I was addressing the gentleman who said, gosh, are they sort of whitewashing the whole idea of rights? And the answer is yes, absolutely. They are taking away your defense, your moral defense to your existence. And of course, why wouldn't they?
Speaker 9I always turn the chessboard around. And I think, and by the way, I don't want to name the people because I don't want to offend anybody except for calling them Jewish supremacists. But otherwise, let's not say, so here's the rules. You get to murder us. You get to kill everybody, put us all on drugs, inspire the rape of our children.
Speaker 9I get to call you Jewish supremacists. I think that's fair. I've just looked at my rules. Oh yeah, it says it right there. I can call you that because that's what you are. So these horrible people, the day new rulers, they hate our rights. They hate our freedom. You see, the original sin of, of a society of these, and it's atheistic, their mindset is atheistic.
Speaker 9Their original sin is simply that you want what is best for yourself. That's their original sin. And of course, you have to say, screw you. All you're doing is trying to separate us from coin. You always win. You always walk away with the money. You always end up being able to sexually assault whoever you want. There is...
Speaker 9How about a low trust rulership? Let's call it that. So the question when we're, this is kind of a false dichotomy, right? Because we're comparing a communistic, homogeneous society with a society where we are being ruled by our enemies. You know, Malcolm X said, why would you send your kids to be taught by your enemy?
Speaker 9Why would you ever let your enemy teach your kids? That's what's happening now. I mean, China, say what you want. Say what you want. But our enemy, I mean, people that want us dead are ruling us. People that just are completely indifferent. And I don't believe they want us all dead, by the way. I don't think the flea wants the death of the dog.
Speaker 9But they want more blood. And I, for one, no longer want to be the host.
Speaker 10David, you sound like Martin Luther. Do you think they can get us for hate if we're quoting a Christian leader?
Speaker 9I don't give a shit. I mean, look, I'm not a clever man, and neither was Martin Luther. You know, when Martin Luther nailed his theses to the door of Wittenberg in 1517, he was protesting an ecumenical power that deigned to rule everybody and presumed that because they had all that power that God had given it to them, right?
Speaker 9And that's what we're dealing with today, but it's a thousand times worse. This is a Protestant revolution. And we are protesting another power that doesn't even have a religious pretense. I'm sorry they've just given that up. Now they're just, what is their pretense? We hate you. We own you. We rule you. We own all the giant megaphones of society.
Speaker 9We tell you where to go, with whom you can associate, how to raise your kids. They're not jealous. They're parasites.
Speaker 1That's what they're saying.
Speaker 9They're parasites. Look, again, turn the chessboard around. They're... They're extracting trillions of dollars from us. I mean, that's their business. What is their leading export? Death and authoritarian control. And what do they get in return? Trillions of dollars. Pretty good business. Okay. There's a golf clap for you.
Speaker 9You won, but it's over. It's time for that to end. It's time for a man to get up on his hind legs and walk out of history away from these people and experience a future a thousand times brighter than we've ever even imagined.
Speaker 1Right. There's definitely more, I see it as more potential to kind of... to adhere to the truth. I would not actually even bifurcate the world necessarily into capitalism or socialism, but just say that if you stick to the constitution, live the life of liberty and actually freely associate with the community and support each other and not be indoctrinated.
Speaker 1I mean, there's definitely infinitely a possibility for a better future under the existing framework of the founders without actually, you
Speaker 9having a regime change of the whole society into turning into something entirely different and if i if i were uh some of you have heard me say this before but if i were a visitor from another planet and i asked you to show to me prove to me that coercive government existed showing me the big buildings in washington would no more prove that than the church proves the existence of god no no no the authoritarian control is inside of you the slavery is inside of you
Speaker 9The idea that you've decided that these people owe, that they have a right to one moment of your time or effort, that they have a right to your few cubic feet of flesh. When they want to control your speech, when they want to control your thought, it's because they want to control your body. Because it turns out if you want to control the most wealth in the world, it's people.
Speaker 9Because wealth is the product of human thought and effort. We just need to slough these people off. I'm sorry, but the dog needs to get rid of the parasite, get rid of the flea, and we'll be free after that.
Speaker 1So, yeah, I guess it's more useful to kind of talk about like in other, not necessarily today, but in sort of like what is the way forward, right? Like, you know, something from truth may... I have a point. And, you know, David definitely has a point. And I agree 100% with what you're saying. And Donna was actually saying we can turn it off, right?
Speaker 1So, I mean, like we can have forums talk about what to do going forward and not necessarily, you know, marry to whatever model, whatever kind of language that they make us use, right? We can have our own language and have our own defining. And if there's any kind of nationalist anything, I mean, there is a common, common theme of reuniting us, which is the constitution.
Speaker 1And let's not throw away all the institutions that they corrupted just because they take over.
Speaker 9You think the constitution is what unites us? You think a piece of paper unites us?
Speaker 1It's... I think it's the spirit that's embodied in that and it's up to our interpretation. And, you know, it's really, like you said, it's the human spirit. If we actually all embrace that human spirit of liberty and that's what it's going to be. And, you know, so I'm just saying, like, we can all kind of... you know, not really be arguing with each other necessarily, but kind of putting our heads together and choose what is the best future and how to do it, right?
Speaker 1We can disagree.
Speaker 9Well, that is an argument, and I encourage my friends to argue, and the people that argue with me are my friends, so I'm always open to that. It's the people that don't want us to talk, that don't want to discuss this, that I oppose.
Ian MalcolmAnd you know what? It could be a very interesting space for a future conversation to do exactly that. I actually, I'll put one into the purple pill to see if those listening would be interested in such. And what I would ask is, if so, who we should try to put on each of these specific teams? Because I think the... Let's just say the overarching thesis in terms of what would come next would probably either have to take the form of essentially repairing democracy, which I think is the position that David perhaps is advocating may or may not be possible.
Ian MalcolmI think Karen is saying it's the right thing to do going forward. And then obviously TruthTeller was suggesting that national socialism and essentially the breaking of the democracy is necessary to repair what it once was. And so I'll put in the purple pill if that's something of interest. And if so, we can certainly do that in a future space.
Ian MalcolmI know we got a couple other hands in here. Would love to rotate through some of those. And I think we could probably start with Mr. Tom and then go to Mr. Game of Thrones. And then we'll come back to Karen for some final words before we wrap up the space. And at that point, I'll suggest that anybody that wants to continue can certainly be welcome to join Mr.
Ian MalcolmTruth Teller because I know he's going to be running for a couple hours.
Ian MalcolmYeah, thanks, Ian.
Speaker 3Yeah, Karen, earlier you mentioned how, you know, they've been testing out systems like eastern communism versus western capitalism and kind of seeing which one was the easiest system to manage and how they could implement it in different parts of the world and with the eventual goal of implementing it on a global scale.
Speaker 3That definitely resonates with me as being true after kind of observing geopolitics for a few years. You know, when you think about that, there's no question that What they're going to go for next is dystopian on a scale that most people couldn't even fathom. And it looks like it's a combination, like you said, of certain things of the system in the West that worked for them and certain things about the Eastern system that we see in China that worked for them as well.
Speaker 3So what can we expect next? Unfortunately, a lot of chaos. A lot of chaos, a lot of gaslighting, and efforts to... I think this is an important subject to touch on again. Normalize the concept that we never had the rights. Those of us who are of a certain age, all are perfectly aware that we did have, we did enjoy it, that those rights actually afforded us a much higher quality of life than what's available to a lot of people from younger generations.
Speaker 3And I'm speaking for myself here, I guess for many people that are in my sort of age bracket. but another thing i wanted to talk about really briefly that ian touched on earlier is the uh it actually has to do with the um creative work that rabbi mali has shared with us earlier the ai if he actually did that with nothing but ai that's incredibly impressive and it's it's it's amazing that we can use these tools that are incredibly available to the general public right now to create media it's unfortunate because it's kind of
Speaker 3pointing to a future in which the majority of content is AI generated. I mean, I don't know about you, but I'd like to see some actual... Sorry, hello? Is the audio off or something?
Speaker 9I can hear you.
Speaker 3No, it works. Yeah, no, I mean, can you imagine a future in which the majority of the content we consume is generated by these AI apps? I mean, I don't know about you guys, but that's not a particularly attractive future, at least from my perspective. I mean, this is a time to go against the dystopia and kind of illustrate the beauty of human creativity every time we get the opportunity.
Speaker 3Because, I mean, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1Yeah, I just always sort of like, you know, because Bay Area has a lot of arts and crafts. you know, history. And it's just William Morris, I mean, as kind of a retrograde against the industrialization, right? Kind of emphasize the total man, you know, who does all these crafts and live an authentic life. So, yeah, I mean, I can totally resonate with what you just said.
Speaker 1And in this day and age, I mean, I think a lot of people like, you know, some people are actually allied with on the political side, who actually ran these incubators. I mean, A lot of these people in their tech space have not really, I mean, you can say nerds. So I think they're going towards a future that they have not really thoroughly thought through.
Speaker 1And I just think that it is time for us to, especially with that and the dystopia brought by AI and also sort of dystopia and the chaos, brought to us thanks to the Noahide sort of prospect, whether it's the temporary chaos so they can destroy and they reinstitute their order, or it's just their tendency, inclination towards destruction.
Speaker 1In any case, I mean, it's very important to kind of remind ourselves of who we are, what we value, and what being a total person means. And yes, and I absolutely agree with David that... you know, just understand our national rights, including our right to associate and be communal and actually working to help each other and sharing resources with people we want to associate with.
Speaker 1I mean, that's very important right now to remain human, whether it's under this political world of, you know, domination or under this sort, you know, tech-enabled dystopia. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, thanks. Great space. And there's no question that, and really quickly, I want to say that we definitely should use artificial intelligence wherever it's useful to get a message out or add some flavor or color, interesting, unique sort of content, whether it's music or whatever for now, but never lose sight of the fact that creative works that have a human touch are extremely valuable.
Speaker 3I don't want to live in a world where I buy furniture and it's all Ikea. I'd like to be able to buy a work of art that was carved out by an artisan that has some skill, a carpenter or a master carpenter. So, yeah, anyway, we're moving in a dangerous direction. I think people need to do an emergency U-turn. That's kind of a theme for a space that I'd love to have someday.
Speaker 3So, yep. Thanks, guys. Great space.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and Tom, I mean, I think that's the crux ultimately of this issue. And I put the poll up into the nest in case people want to vote on their interest in that space. And I think that's one of ultimately the challenges, right? Because if we look back at Weimar Germany, what followed was essentially the rise of a political party that said, this cannot be fixed under the current, let's say, protocols, right?
Ian MalcolmWe're going to have to rebuild something with a very strong hand. And like Karen was mentioning... while Adolf Hitler, if I'm not mistaken, I think was elected by 96 or 97% of people that voted. So it's obviously extremely popular. But once you turn over that type of authority to an individual that, you know, you're placing a lot of trust in them because ultimately they get to decide how that's used, how it's wielded, when it's given up.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's no different, I suppose, than, you know, handing somebody the Death Star, right? It's like, all right, if... If we're picking the hero, if it's Luke Skywalker, everything's fine. But if it's his dad, Anakin, maybe not so much, right? And so that's the challenge.
Speaker 3Yeah, really quickly, it's almost like letting someone like Trump with that sort of personality believe that they're actually president of the United States and not just a puppet for the system.
Ian MalcolmAnd then they begin behaving. Yeah, and Tom, he is a wonderful, because think about it this way. There are a lot of people, and not as many today, But just a year or so ago, there were a whole bunch of people that called themselves MAGA that probably would have come into a conversation about the state of the democracy and would have said, you know what, the republic must go.
Ian MalcolmWe must give full control to Donald Trump because he's MAGA and he cares about us. And people have seen what a scam and a shill he essentially is, right? And so that's the challenge because you can be bamboozled by a whole lot. of wonderful rhetoric and people that will promise you the moon. And one of the great pieces of supposedly the American form of government are those checks and balances that should prohibit anybody from being able to monopolize power and authority in a way that let's just say becomes excessive.
Ian MalcolmNow the challenge there is that the people that are going to argue on behalf of perspectively national socialism are gonna say that the democracy has been so hamstrung. that they've basically gotten it to a position now where the republic that is the United States is never going to be able to heal itself from what is. There's far too much red tape.
Ian MalcolmAnd even though Donald Trump supposedly cut a bunch of that, it was primarily around commerce and other things of that nature to actually go in and to impose perhaps laws that ironically might be similar to those that were implemented by the founding fathers, who actually, not at the national federal level, but at the state and local level, certainly had rules and laws prohibiting certain people, cough, cough, Jews, from holding office, right?
Ian MalcolmSo perhaps you could try and unwind some of the things that have been done over the last... let's say, two and a half centuries. But to go that direction is going to be, of course, equally difficult. So it would be an interesting debate. I'd be very curious what would come from it. I'll certainly work in the back channels to see if we can make something like that come about.
Ian MalcolmAnd if so, I hope that we have both Karen and David, who are just two wonderful minds on that type of subject. Maybe we'll make some teams. We'll put people on different sides. And what we'll try to do, even though I don't think it's going to be possible, I'll try and play referee as best I can to keep things a little less hostile because I think those types of conversations will always go that direction.
Ian MalcolmBut maybe I'm wrong. Let's check in with Mr. Game of Thrones, see what he has to say. I just want to welcome him back to the space. I know he's been away for a while. I know he's been away for a while.
Speaker 11Captain Ian, it's good to hear from you. Karen, your words were very warm and very, very welcome to discourse because... When you lose creativity, it's funny. You look back at old Ben Franklin after he came back from frolicking in Gaelic countryside and say, you know, when people ask you, well, what is this? You know, he said, well, it's a republic if you could keep it.
Speaker 11And we've gone, we strayed very far from any republic form of government in this country. We've become an oligarchy. that is very much controlled by a of you know what i would call the wizard of oz a scenario puppeteers people with a hell of a lot of power globally the idea that we have a decentralized local form of governance that supersedes which is what it's supposed to be all right the states and the locales
Speaker 11We're supposed to make up the locales, form of living, government, et cetera. And the federal government was supposed to be there for protection and to come out with a stable currency, et cetera. Well, we see what happened with all of that turned to shit from Nixon on back, the Federal Reserve in 1913, and go on and on.
Speaker 11We're all savvy adults here. By the way, David, it's been a long time since I see you down there. And I want to say hi to you and others in this room. I haven't talked to in a long time, but truly. And I think we're we've come to a point in this country where we. We're going to have to reform the government because it's too corrupt.
Speaker 11Period. I pray God, we don't go to full on communism. You mentioned the CCP because that's that's a that's a real. Sharp. uh malicious term okay uh there you're talking more like bolshevik uh rule it's it's pretty tough to even think of going in that direction so i don't know i think people are being heard we see what happened in gaza we see what what uh genocide really looks like in 21st century i think people have learned things i may be probably
Speaker 11You know, a guy that's seen too much in my day, I'm not biased, but I'm a realist. I'm optimistic, but I'm more realistic. And I think we're going to have to go through some more bumps and bruises. People are becoming more aware, though. People don't want to go to war. I believe this Venezuela thing is more of a shadow dance than anything.
Speaker 11I really, really don't think Americans would... take lightly or embrace putting boots on the ground in any country. I don't give a damn if it's a peacekeeping, quote unquote, mission in Gaza or going over to the Ukraine Russian theater. I think America is done with that crap. And I speak for my generation. I just really don't think it's plausible.
Speaker 11So I wish you Godspeed. God's blessing on all of you. Thank you for giving me the mic briefly, Ian. And thank you, Karen, for those kind words that you bestowed. I really believe the creative spark is still there. It's in all of us. And we each have an obligation, really, to put forth our best fruit. Thank you.
Speaker 4Thank you.
Ian MalcolmAnd Game of Thrones is always such an absolute pleasure. And for anybody that hasn't been an absolutely wonderful follow and an individual that was in spaces very frequently, I guess maybe a couple months back. So it's wonderful to see you back here at Game of Thrones. And I feel like your avatar, minus perhaps the violence, is actually a perfect physical representation.
Ian MalcolmI feel like you're always so kind of calm, thoughtful. precise with both your words and your ideas. So it's such a pleasure to have you in here, and I'm especially glad that it's not with young Joffrey with the crossbow, because that's not the kind of energy we need in here, but you certainly are, my friend. But before we wrap things up...
Speaker 9I would say the other parallel is that in Game of Thrones, they really thought each other was the enemy until the White Walkers came, and gosh, guess who they resemble today?
Ian MalcolmYou know, David, what's really funny is I was making a suggestion that perhaps the White Walkers are in some ways actually us. And I say that just because winter is coming and we are inevitable. And I do think there's something unstoppable. But no, in all seriousness, for anybody that has not watched that show, I think you certainly should.
Ian MalcolmVery interesting. The last... Last season, a little bit disappointing, but the rest of it was pretty masterful television, albeit filled with all kinds of violence and other things of adult content, which are certainly not the most moral, but it is reasonably good entertainment, very good acting, and all those good things.
Ian MalcolmSo if you need some entertainment, a good one. And that character, Tywin Lannister, the guy's name. Very good one.
Speaker 4Lannister always pays.
Ian MalcolmAlways pays his debts. Yeah. And there is actually the Bank of Braavos, if I'm not mistaken. I think it was Davos, Braavos, one or the other. But they make a very clear reference in that show to the bankers who are always, they're always funding both sides of the war. And the guy says, don't worry, we always win in the end anyway.
Ian MalcolmAnd I was thinking to myself, wow, isn't that an ironic reference?
Speaker 9There's no way that I can make that connection.
Ian MalcolmIt's just impossible to. You've got all the people out in the fields toiling, fighting the wars, all these things, and the bankers getting rich.
Speaker 9I never really watched that series, but I understand the multiple kingdoms, and I've always wondered, and maybe someone else can answer this for me, is that supposed to be the Carolingian dynasty? Because when Charlemagne... He basically bequeathed his vast kingdom to his sons, and it's viewed historically as a big mistake because he basically quadrangle-ized it.
Speaker 9He made like three or four kingdoms, and it kind of collapsed because they started competing with one another. Is that kind of the idea of Game of Thrones, or is it modeled after something else?
Ian MalcolmYou know, I hadn't gone down that one. I'll be curious if Karen has thoughts on it. The one thing I would say... And it's so curious because I guess at this point that shows probably something like 20 or 15 years old. But what's wild, David, is that it had a very distinct sense of in the different lands you have different people, right?
Ian MalcolmThey had the Lannisters that were the blonde-haired individuals. You had the Starks, which were the dark-haired, dark curly-haired individuals from the north, right? Then you had other individuals, like... They gave you this very clear sense of diversity, which I'm sure if they had the show made today, it would be like, no, no, no, no, no.
Ian MalcolmEverybody is the same. There's no unique settings, no unique peoples. We, of course, have to get rid of all of that. And they also had the Dothraki, which were like the third world horde on their horses and whatnot. It's very fascinating because we're only... a decade and a half removed, but I feel like today they could not make that because of the distinctions that it made between people and peoples, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4Right.
Speaker 9It's too bad too, because we were so proud of our, and we are now, of our respective diversities. You know, it's just amazing that, you know, the Belgian are so different from the English and the French are so different from the Germans and then the Italians. You know, our history is really just have this wonderful diversity and it's, we don't celebrate that.
Ian MalcolmNope, everybody needs to be put in the blender and shaken up and spit out. And you know, as a kind of little closing remark on this subject, what was fascinating is the space that we did with Dr. Otto Powell. And he walked through what basically took place in Russia under the Bolsheviks. And Karen, this might be an interesting setup for you because I know you know this history better than almost anybody, maybe with the exception of Dr. Powell, who's...
Ian Malcolmwritten multiple books on this subject. But what was fascinating is he was talking about, and I'll give you the setup, because in my mind, listening to this, I couldn't believe the parallels to the United States and Western Europe presently. And I say that because he talked about how under the Bolsheviks, which were largely disenfranchised Jews funded by international bankers, largely Jews out of New York, right, that they basically brought in all of these essentially dejects
Ian Malcolmthat had a hatred for the russians are that of course imprisoned him then killed his entire family in the bloody revolution and all those things but what he went on to say is that throughout because one thing i've always been curious about is ok what percent of the bolshevik leadership was jewish right that's a hotly debated contestant he basically said ethnically speaking throughout most of the politburo's was forty to sixty percent if you include a marriage as much as sixty to ninety percent were jewish
Ian MalcolmAnd he mentioned some of the most, I guess, preeminent individuals that were and weren't Jewish, even up through the very end of Stalin. But Karen, he was talking about how even after the bloody revolution, the ethnic Russians were essentially at the bottom of the totem pole from the political leadership. And rather you had various, not only Jews, but you also had the Georgians, the Ukrainians, Stalin, of course, being a Georgian.
Ian MalcolmAnd that those individuals were all basically the hodgepodges that hated on the ethnic Russians who were basically, again, at the bottom of the totem pole. And I thought to myself, well, doesn't that sound like modern America with diversity? You've got Jews at the top that are forcing everybody and anybody to basically hate the host whites.
Ian MalcolmAnd they continuously kind of recharge their power by building on these various diversity groups that just, again, hate the host while they leech off all of its productivity.
Speaker 1Yeah, Dr. Paul is kind of a wealth of knowledge. And I read that from Selton Eaton's 200 Years Together. His estimation is even by the 50s, 50% of the rank and file in their, you know, sort of leadership positions, even including sort of the mid-level were Jews. And they enjoy all their privileges of going abroad, even, you know, emigration to Israel, which no other...
Speaker 1you know, Russians enjoyed. So, yeah. To kind of go back to what you're saying about Game of Thrones and contrast that with a very popular teen novel series that, you know, in the last few years that my kids were reading, it's called Scythe. And it's by... I think, I believe the author's name is Schuster. I forgot, but Schusterman or something.
Speaker 1It's Jewish. And in that future, there is a benevolent AI who watches you even as you breathe in your sleep. who whispers in your ear and has satisfied your heart's content and knows you better than your parents. And there is no race anymore. Everybody is a shade of something. And, you know, you don't have to work. You only work for pleasure.
Speaker 1That just strikingly sounds like, but if there's ever, you ever have any thought of rebellion, then, you know. They will come upon you, come down upon you. So in that novel series, AI is painted as a benevolent kind of all-seeing being that's generally on the side of good. And so it definitely builds that future and socialize that to the younger generation.
Speaker 1I don't know. I mean, I kind of hear, you know, truth tellers generation. Definitely, I see, you know, coming out of college, you may not be able to find a job. Their rent is, you know, horrendously high. They're, you know, they're hiring insurance, et cetera, et cetera. So I can absolutely understand, you know, I mean, as a Gen X, I mean.
Speaker 1Even though I came out when I graduated, it was in the downturn, recession. But still, I would say that probably the kids today are facing much more pressure. And also they were much more coddled, unlike their previous generations in their teenage years, to kind of expect a brighter future, a more secure future. So I can understand the impulse absolutely towards...
Speaker 1you know, a socialistic safety network. But I would very much caution that it sounds strikingly sounds like part of the plan of what they have in store for us, which is this Noahidek, socialistic kind of utopian where they rule efficiently with AI and, you know, where everybody is devoid of character and they just live the life as if we are, you know, pigs and a troll.
Speaker 1So I'm just saying that is what I would caution against. And I mean... it's very hard to dissuade people from something they probably never have experienced from, and they just kind of learn from the books and see from the one side presented to them. But I would just say, yeah, let's find something better than that.
Ian MalcolmYou know, and the thing that's interesting about that is not only is the current generation, at least in my assertion in the West, they have less opportunity. if they're able to secure an opportunity to earn income, the income goes shorter than it's essentially gone since probably the Great Depression. They're also doing that amidst a culture that more than at any point in the past reveres nothing but materialism, vanity, hedonism, and dopamine.
Ian MalcolmAnd all the while, that same group of people, if you happen to have a white skin tone, You're also told that you're the villain and essentially responsible for all evils ever, period, and you should be ashamed of yourself and celebrate essentially the demise of not only your wealth or your opportunity, but of your people, your heritage, your culture, your nation, your once homogenous society.
Ian MalcolmAnd I say that because, you know, when it comes to the desire, I think that is, it's almost inevitable at this point. the younger generation is going to want something very dramatic. And it's not just the opportunity to earn a reasonable amount of money in return for their work and their labor. It's also for somebody to actually give a damn about them.
Ian MalcolmAnd that is something that I think is probably generationally difficult because if you think of, and Karen, I'm not placing you anywhere on the spectrum, I'm just saying in general, for individuals that are in the boomer, age bracket, they're at a point where they're reasonably comfortable. They were able to buy a home.
Ian MalcolmThe home is probably appreciated. Their 401k probably did reasonably well, right? They're all able to retire. The people that are following after them, they're great grant or not great, but their grandchildren are walking into a tidal wave where they have no opportunity to have anything remotely like that. And so you have this very strange divide that, and I'll be curious for David's thought on this one, because I actually think this is by design.
Ian MalcolmI think the people that are pulling the rug on everything at some point quite a while ago decided that the only way that they could really take down the American economic engine would be through all these various ingredients like mass migration, outsourcing, all the other things that we've, of course, seen, but that also you could only do it if you were to do it in a generational fashion where the people that were...
Ian Malcolmin power that had the purchasing power that had the jobs let's say overseeing most of the companies that had the roles in politics that they weren't going to be negatively impacted by the leg sweep if you will of the economy and so i almost feel like they've done this in this perfect way where the boomer generation got to ride the wave of all of this prosperity that built up the american engine which was then used to conduct all of the wars
Ian Malcolmto build up the treasury that was essentially now exported to build out the Greater Israel Project, or at least that's my belief structure, use that money to fund the development of all of these companies that are essentially DARPA projects like Amazon and Google and Facebook that now rule essentially all of the technology, to use that money to then fund things like Palantir and OpenAI and all the other dystopia that we know technologically, but to have it all then also perfectly timed with this trap door.
Ian Malcolmof, oh, thanks for all of this. Now you guys get to go to hell in a handbasket. And the boomers get to just kind of be comfortable the rest of their days as they watch everything go the way of Nero and Rome. But they're not actually really left with the bill. They just racked it up and they gave a credit card. And then it's the younger generation that watches their entire country go to SHIT.
Ian MalcolmAnd David, I'd be curious, am I maybe giving these architects too much credit? And the timing of this is just completely coincidental. Or do you think maybe there's something to that? And do you agree that the younger generation as a result is probably going to look for something that's a little bit more extreme in terms of a recourse?
Speaker 9Well, I'd rather start with the last question first. I think that when you realize that you've been played for suckers and mugs and you're a young person just arriving to adulthood, you're going to be a bit jaded. when you realize that this is not a high-trust society, when you realize that this is built at your expense, that you essentially are the forgotten man right when you're becoming a man or right when you're becoming a woman.
Speaker 9So I think that the long daisy chain of thieves and villains, I think their endgame is to steal as much as they can. It always reminds me... that scene in Goodfellas where they get the guy who owns the restaurant, they get him under their thumb and they just start ordering all of these things. They never pay the bill. And then when it's all over, they just burn it down.
Speaker 9And that's what they do every time. Of course, I think this is a pretty good comparison here. I think this is a pretty good metaphor. But I will say this. If we're free, we're fine because the raw material of all of our success and prosperity, the raw material of the unbounded atomic power of our spirits and what we can produce, achieve, accomplish is our freedom.
Speaker 9That's it. That's it. You know, cancel the bill. You know, when we say, oh, we're $35 trillion in debt. No, we're not. I don't owe any money. Do you owe any money? I didn't. I don't. Where did I sign? No, the thieves that have been stealing from us. have now gotten into cahoots with people that lend them money on the promise that they're going to steal from us, our kids, our grandkids, in perpetuity ad infinitum.
Speaker 9All we have to do is just say no. So I do think, like, if I could just say one good thing to the jaded crowd that's just coming of age, hey, follow your instincts in terms of the slavery. Follow your instincts. You know, the biggest misapprehension of democracy is the voting booth as our instrument of control over our rulers, when quite the reverse is true.
Speaker 9The magic box isn't doing much for you. It's your change of consciousness. You have to stop thanking the people that rob you. That's the secret to tyranny. You have to get them to thank you. You have to get them to think you're something other than a villain, something other than just the lowest thief, the lowest form of excrement, unworthy of even being fertilized, fertilizing the most barren weed.
Speaker 9I'm sorry. But that is the unpalatable truth that we have to be confronted with if we want to be free. I do think that making people feel guilty, demoralizing them, is really important. So this thing of getting people in school and saying, you're bad, you're evil for your immutable characteristics, for your immutable qualities.
Speaker 9Well, again, that's what I would do. If I want to run a tyranny, I know how to do it. I can turn the chessboard around. I would use all of these mechanisms because if you demoralize people, you have conquered them forever. You cannot be free if you are not moral because your self-governing quality is your morals. So I would say that once we just become aware of the game, the cockroaches scatter when we turn the lights on.
Speaker 9I think that the young people need to explicate this more, but I do think we're on the right track.
Ian MalcolmI love it. And some words of optimism there to wrap out this segment. I'll quickly turn things back over to Karen if she's got any kind of concluding remarks here or maybe just wants to give a quick little summarization on her overarching thesis after everything we discussed today with this idea of is America becoming the CCP?
Ian MalcolmAnd then we'll wrap up the space, Karen.
Speaker 1I just want to say that was a... Very interesting and lively conversation. Thanks, Ian. It's always good to get out of your spaces. And thanks, everyone. So, yeah, I mean, definitely, I would say to wrap up the current assessment is I think because of our resistance, because our courage, they are definitely getting out of step of their pre...
Speaker 1you know, planned destiny for us, and that is a good thing, but also it could mean two things. It could get desperate. It could hasten, you know, a program without even bothering to put on a mask. So all the more truth, and it needs everybody who we may disagree on what the future holds, but we can all kind of agree on what we need to get rid of in some ways, which is being colonized and
Speaker 1having our rights taken away and installed with a double speak and are kind of more equal than you kind of society. So as to the future, I would absolutely say that, yes, it's very easy to kind of look at the current and just get the easiest bullet, I mean, easiest way out. But really, just like AI and thinking through its downside for humanity,
Speaker 1kind of really think through what any kind of change in the system means, holds for us on the systematic level. And I would absolutely say that, you know, whatever the, you know, America in terms of the promise of the Bill of Rights and their checks and balances, the local government, and... Above that, the DNA of the country as a country of the, you know, the free-spirited people, of independent people, of pioneers, of dissidents, you know, immigrants, to immigrants who actually took initiatives.
Speaker 1I mean, that's the makeup of the country. And we really need to lean in on that and really kind of, you know, celebrate that indomitable spirit and the spirit to be free and to not want to be subjugated by anybody, any system, and work probably towards a community future in their... kind of a more liberty-friendly environment.
Speaker 1That's all I'm saying. Yeah, and I just hope that we can have these more dialogues, and it's true that the fact that we're still having it is, you know, we should be very thankful for that.
Ian MalcolmI love it. Go for it, Tom.
Speaker 3Yeah, I just wanted to say really briefly that in my experience, and Ian, I'm sure you've run into this as well, a lot of times the people who... understand and care about the values that we need to protect the most happen to be people that had to learn and study about them in order to attain their their citizenship their citizenship legally right so i don't know if karen i don't know if you're in that category but i think i've just been always been a kind of a free spirit always got myself into trouble so that's naturally just take to it yeah absolutely appreciate a great space yeah absolutely and and uh
Ian MalcolmReally, like you said, Karen, it was spirited at times and a little heated, I suppose, in ways that I actually find can be both beneficial and at the same time counterproductive. And I say that because the thing that we all need to keep in perspective here is that we are on the fringe, right? Kim.com earlier posted about the absurd shadow banning that he believes that he has started to receive since he started to talk about.
Ian MalcolmIsrael, and perhaps, he's not even touching on Jewish supremacy. He's putting his toe into the shallow end of the pool, let's say. And he's still noticing the absurd amount of censorship that that is then garnering. And I bring him up because, I mean, look, he is new to this subject. And I'm sure there's lots of things that I disagree with him on, but I recognize he's got a very large audience.
Ian Malcolmthat could perhaps learn a whole lot about this subject as a result if he starts really going in on the subject and learning about it and educating himself and all those things. And as a result, even if there were issues that I disagreed with him on, I'd kind of, you know, let's not leave the knives out, so to say. Let's put him back in our little belts and let's recognize that all of us are essentially on the same team.
Ian MalcolmAnd I bring him up because, like I said, 1.7 million followers. He barely gets a couple thousand views on his post now. because they're shadow banning him. And we are all going to get shadow banned. And instead, they will give all of the views and the visibility to their select accounts that share their little chosen message to try and keep people stuck in the matrix.
Ian MalcolmAnd so it's very helpful for us to have disagreements and to sharpen our ideas. It's why I love being in spaces with folks like David. He always has not only... incredibly insightful concepts about the world, but the way that he delivers them is just always majestic. And I learn from him. I learn from Karen. I learn from TruthTeller.
Ian MalcolmI learn from Tom. I learn from Game of Thrones. I learn from everybody, right? And even when we have our differences, perhaps national socialism versus democracy, the benefits or maybe the detriments of what's going on in China, let's all just recognize that we're on the same team, at least. We're aware of the primary problem.
Ian MalcolmAnd so let's, as best we can, just try to conduct ourselves with some reverence for one another, right? Mutual respect, all those good things. And I will do the best that I can to both play moderator and to try and keep some of those tensions at bay when they arise. But also I do think it's helpful to allow people to share themselves and their full colors, right?
Ian MalcolmI often feel like the most damage that has been done often when I've debated Jews in Spaces on X, has actually been done by the Jews that I was debating with. Because if they lash out, they say lots of nasty things, they throw in ad hominems, all that other stuff, it actually shows far more about them than it does about me.
Ian MalcolmIt's that old adage, listen to what people say about others, it'll tell you a lot about them. And so I say that because, Karen, in some ways I wanted to try and mute the conversation prior, but in others I think it was probably for the best. And I think it served perhaps as a little bit of a preview. for a future space that we could again host on that subject and some of the differences of opinions when it comes to forms of government.
Ian MalcolmThe thing I will say is that while the past and things like national socialism might serve as really bright beacons perhaps of opportunity to make improvements, that it's worth noting some of the effects of things when you have a strong-handed government, which China has certainly had, right? And so to hear firsthand from Karen about the oppression,
Ian MalcolmAnd look, I don't doubt at all that the United States government is propagandizing what's going on in China. To make them a villain, to paint them in a negative light, right? Because after all, America has to always be the best at everything. Because if it's not, you might question your leadership. But that is the way of the world, unfortunately.
Ian MalcolmAnd as a result, I don't know what it's like in China. Karen has a much better insight. And so as a result, it was nice to be able to hear their back and forth. And we should always try to take those things as much as we can. Take as much information, synthesize it, consider it. If you don't like it, discard it. If you do, add it to your little cookbook.
Ian MalcolmBut either way, we should try to come to the table, have productive conversations with mutual respect as best we can, even when we disagree. And as a result, we'll continue trying to understand the world as best we can and maybe make it a better place. And so with that, I want to thank everybody for being up here. I want to thank Mr. Malleus, who debuted his new song.
Ian MalcolmI think it's Better Than is the name, the title. We're going to try and get some AI video. So I hope to be able to see that on this platform in the next 48 or 72 hours. Beautiful work that he put together. I certainly want to thank Karen, who always brings in some of just the most insightful commentary. We've now covered everything from John Wilkes Booth and the Kazars to the CCP.
Ian MalcolmWe're kind of darting around the world here, and it's always an absolute pleasure to speak with her. And to everybody else that came up into this panel, to Tom, the Game of Thrones, to Mr. David, of course, to Truth Teller. Speaking of which, his space is running. So if you want to continue the conversation, I'm going to put him into the purple pill so everybody can easily find him if you didn't already know how to get there, which I'm sure you did because he's one of the best on this application.
Ian MalcolmBut look, at the end of the day, In all of this, the one thing I want to call out as the last little closing remark is for everybody to just keep in mind how far we've come. A year or two ago, I never would have thought that these conversations would have been possible. I truly wouldn't. The idea of being in a space and actually being able to say, hey, guys, I think it's the Jews and to not have everybody just presume that I'm an anti-Semite.
Ian MalcolmThat's a really weird accomplishment, I suppose. And I use the term accomplishment not because we hate anybody. I certainly don't. But there is a power structure that we have clearly identified. And we've made our voices so loud. And in the process, we've lifted up lots of other individuals, including Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, that are now talking about these things.
Ian MalcolmKim.com, right? And so whether you're an ex-personality or you're a mainstream news network anchor like Tucker Carlson once was, we're building this little army. And we should always be on the lookout. for subversive agents that will try to pop their head up and say, hey guys, I'm on your team too. We should keep our eye out for those folks.
Ian MalcolmAnd it doesn't, it's not lost on me that perhaps some of these bigger names might be that. And as a result, we can't count on them. So instead, we should do our little part each and every day to keep having these conversations, keep furthering these discussions, and hopefully in the process, bring enough attention so that the next thing you know, you'll walk into a Starbucks and the person in front of you, and I think by the way,
Ian Malcolmboycott Starbucks, if I'm not mistaken. But the people in front of you in the coffee shop might say, hey, I think it's the Jews. And then we'll be able to sit there and smirk and smile and know that we probably had a little something to do, again, not with hating anybody, but with bringing a really strange, unusual set of patterns to the masses that they have every right to know about.
Ian MalcolmBecause tyranny and oppression and slavery And a society that hates you for your existence, that's a reasonable thing to oppose. And that's what we stand in opposition to. And so with that, just keep doing your little part each and every day. Keep having these conversations. As always, if you have anything that you would like to discuss in a space, shoot me a note.
Ian MalcolmI will always try to platform anybody and everybody. I don't care about your follower account size or any of that other nonsense. It's not for vanity. It's not for followers. Certainly not for monetization. just trying to understand the world and to further it in a way that's productive. So send me a note if you'd ever like to be in a space, you'd like to talk about a certain issue.
Ian MalcolmAnd I love the fact that we're going to do a national socialism versus democracy debate. I think it'll be very, very fascinating to listen to. We will certainly get that on the books. And then I believe for tomorrow, I'm going to be speaking with Doc Malibu, who some of you might remember from Suleiman's spaces that I've been with in the past.
Ian MalcolmAnd I bring him up because interestingly, This is an individual that a year ago would have said, don't talk about Jews, you anti-Semite. And yet even he is now somewhat comfortable having this conversation about the changing landscape. And we're going to be discussing the demise of MAGA, which I think is a good thing for everybody.
Ian MalcolmWe should not ever support cults of personality, which I believe is what Donald Trump is. And that has been weaponized against the Republicans in the United States. to get them complacent with all of the madness that has been his administration. So we'll be discussing that and what comes next for the prospective Republican Party.
Ian MalcolmWith him, he's a longtime political commentator, so I'm looking forward to that. Hope to see some of you all there. It'll be at an earlier time than this space was today. I apologize that they keep bouncing around. But as always, I want to thank you wherever you are. Good morning, good evening, good afternoon. And certainly above anything else, God bless for everything that you are.
Ian MalcolmGodspeed in our journeys ahead. And we will win and construct that better tomorrow if we continue discussing these things today. So many, many thanks to everybody. And as always, we'll see you in the next one.
Speaker 2Take care.